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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => What's New => Topic started by: RAGIII on December 05, 2020, 03:08:36 AM
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This was posted on FB several Days ago and sparked a bit of Controversy about the LvR scheme. That being said it is good to see Eduard producing Decals for other kits. Personally I would have preferred some other schemes but any decals are better than None!
RAGIII
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huh yes wow this is a surprise. I assume the controversy was around not having a dark yellow or brown field behind the fuselage crosses on LvR?
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huh yes wow this is a surprise. I assume the controversy was around not having a dark yellow or brown field behind the fuselage crosses on LvR?
Actually it was about if the upper wing was overpainted and was there yellow in front of the green cross fields
RAGIII
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Ahh - gotcha - yeah it definitely is difficult to discern any overpainting of the top wing in the super high quality pics of the LvR crash on the WNW site - looks just like standard streaky green on there....
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Thanks for posting. Will be interesting to compare Aviattic’s offering.
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It seems to me that with a variety of crosses, a few sets of stencils, a stack of work/serial numbers, and some black & white ink a good decal manufacturer could produce a sheet with about 24 options. A color pdf download could be offered with an asterisk after every option's description with a corresponding note at the bottom of the page that says "You were planning on painting everything else anyway, right?" ;)
BTW, Dave Klaus still has a few of his 1/32nd Cutting Edge brand "Fokker Dr.1, Part 2" sheets available at his 'Fine Art Of Decals" webstore (about 1/3rd down the page). The options are Klimke, LvR, and von Tutschek:
https://fineartofdecals.com/goodies/132-treasures/
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How desperately disappointing another sheet for Manfred von and Aviatic have already done one, Cannot anyone think of anything else I mean other pilots flew this copy plane. Maybe I do a Phantom( sorry for swearing ).
When Meng announced they were releasing a new Fokker DR 1 I did wonder how it would pan out as all manufactures one with red markings, Glad I only bought 1 so I have loads of time to do all my Albatros kits with lots of different markings
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It seems to me that with a variety of crosses, a few sets of stencils, a stack of work/serial numbers, and some black & white ink a good decal manufacturer could produce a sheet with about 24 options. A color pdf download could be offered with an asterisk after every option's description with a corresponding note at the bottom of the page that says "You were planning on painting everything else anyway, right?" ;)
BTW, Dave Klaus still has a few of his 1/32nd Cutting Edge brand "Fokker Dr.1, Part 2" sheets available at his 'Fine Art Of Decals" webstore (about 1/3rd down the page). The options are Klimke, LvR, and von Tutschek:
https://fineartofdecals.com/goodies/132-treasures/
Yep, Most of the schemes just require a bit of colorful paint and the serial number. That being said I wouldn't turn down purchasing decals that included the stripes for birds like DR1 502/17... even though I can paint them ::) Richards unique approach at Aviattic is at least offering something other than paint it red and add a serial number 8) JMHO,
RAGIII
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These decals look nice.
Part of the fun of WWI modeling IMO is that no one really knows how these things looked, at least a lot of the time.
I thought WNW always did a fair and objective job of providing B/W reference material, pointing out the various theories, and settling the issue with a question mark for the modeler to decide.
"This plane may have been entirely blue with a black stripe, then again, it may have been black with a yellow stripe, or...."
:)
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I just saw a post on FB that says Eduard plans several more DR1 sheets. Hopefully they will choose some great schemes. Very promising!
RAGIII
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I just saw a post on FB that says Eduard plans several more DR1 sheets. Hopefully they will choose some great schemes. Very promising!
RAGIII
I could certainly go for a Hasso Von Wedel option with the red richtrad marking and serial numbers. I'll paint the Jasta 4 b & w stripes. Among others, I'd love to see a 1/32nd option for Paul Baumer's earlier Dr.1 with the red/white/black stripes.
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Wasn't Pheon at some point going to do new DrI sheets? I have the one they did several years back and it is great - even a reprint of that I would think might sell with all the Meng DrIs out there (at least I think the sheet would still work though it was done for the Roden)
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Wasn't Pheon at some point going to do new DrI sheets? I have the one they did several years back and it is great - even a reprint of that I would think might sell with all the Meng DrIs out there (at least I think the sheet would still work though it was done for the Roden)
Yes Pheon was supposed to do a comprehensive set for Jasta 6 and 11 plus others. I Hope they still do! That being said this was posted today on the WNW Fan Page. Further Eduard decals:
RAGIII
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Okay, now we're talkin'! Some good variety on this second sheet. Of course, I already have 1/48's in the stash for Frommherz and Klimke so I'll have to check my 1/48th decals and see whether I should plan on bumping those two up to 1/32nd.
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Okay, now we're talkin'! Some good variety on this second sheet. Of course, I already have 1/48's in the stash for Frommherz and Klimke so I'll have to check my 1/48th decals and see whether I should plan on bumping those two up to 1/32nd.
Actually there are Two sheets shown. Funny thing is I am working /Planning the Jasta 6 version of the Udet bird and the red band with yellow X on My current builds. Oh well they will look better painted on anyway :o
RAGIII
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Cutting Edge already provided us with a Klimke set in 1/32nd, so for me unless I switch scales that option is redundant. I'd have rather seen a Baumer or von Wedel option on these new Eduard sheets. Perhaps Aviattic or Pheon will provide us with even more choices in the future.
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Well glad to see they are offering a little more variety with these additional sets. This feels like a new thing for Eduard - I do not recall them doing decals for kits not their own (or boxed as their own)?
At some point I hope to do the Jacob's God of the North Wind scheme in 1/32 - these look like they might be the trick though I think I have some decals from the original Roden set.
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Actually there are Two sheets shown. Funny thing is I am working /Planning the Jasta 6 version of the Udet bird and the red band with yellow X on My current builds. Oh well they will look better painted on anyway :o
RAGIII[/quote]
As is often the case in our hobby, someone is usually ahead of the market- as though their personal sacrifice is what catalyzes the industry. My first all resin kit was the 1/32nd Rutman Fw 190A-8 and, sure enough, Hasegawa released their well-kept secret about 30 days after I put my Rutman in the display case. I'm glad that I built it, though, because it presented many unfamiliar challenges requiring some tedious and sometimes difficult solutions thus forcing me to expand my horizons at the workbench.
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I just saw that Eduard will be releasing a boat load of 1/72nd decals for Fokkers, both DVII and DR1. I guess they are really getting into the decal business. I have Mixed feelings about this but if there is a Void someone will fill the opening!
RAGIII
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I have read on other forums that the new inhouse manufactured Eduard decals aren't the best with very thick carrier film. Apparently you are able to peel the carrier film off as per HGW but this is more by accident than design. The results when doing so can be very hit and miss.
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I have read on other forums that the new inhouse manufactured Eduard decals aren't the best with very thick carrier film. Apparently you are able to peel the carrier film off as per HGW but this is more by accident than design. The results when doing so can be very hit and miss.
While I applaud their efforts, it's why I'll probably use very few decals from their "Spitfire Story" edition and opt for the Fundekals and Victory Productions sets that I have in my stash. Here's a demonstration video that shows quite a bit of damage during the process. He starts the film removal process at around minute 5 and it looks like a cleaner tool with a different shape might've been better... who knows?
https://youtu.be/ZATsJoDBzq0
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After watching the video ...forget it ! An extra step having to pull off a film and having to be super careful just adds more frustration to a build . Any future kits I buy from Eduard and the decals will be replaced .
Terri
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Here is another video, which, I think, gives a more thorough explanation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qbs7W7ZAxeA
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Hoping for one of these beauties.
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I have read on other forums that the new inhouse manufactured Eduard decals aren't the best with very thick carrier film. Apparently you are able to peel the carrier film off as per HGW but this is more by accident than design. The results when doing so can be very hit and miss.
While I applaud their efforts, it's why I'll probably use very few decals from their "Spitfire Story" edition and opt for the Fundekals and Victory Productions sets that I have in my stash. Here's a demonstration video that shows quite a bit of damage during the process. He starts the film removal process at around minute 5 and it looks like a cleaner tool with a different shape might've been better... who knows?
https://youtu.be/ZATsJoDBzq0
Vickers
Same here. Plan to use masks and other AM decals on my Eduard Spits when I get around to building them. I am not knocking Eduard but given the negative feedback they remain silent regarding the decal issue which I find odd as their customer service is first class.
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A HA that,s more like it but now I will have to buy another triplane, Isn't life a drag!
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Dear me, what a lot of negativity.
Some of the posts on YouTube look pretty ropey but one French guy shows how to initially release film with masking tape and IMHO I think the result looks superb - a real painted-on effect.
I certainly look forward to giving them a try.
Sandy
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qbs7W7ZAxeA
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Dear me, what a lot of negativity.
Some of the posts on YouTube look pretty ropey but one French guy shows how to initially release film with masking tape and IMHO I think the result looks superb - a real painted-on effect.
I certainly look forward to giving them a try.
Sandy
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qbs7W7ZAxeA
Yep, It seems Many Modelers actually Prefer to peel off backing and also don't gloss before decaling 8) I do need to make a correction reference the 1/72nd decals. It seems they are actually to be included in special release kits Called "Fokker Fokker"
;D
RAGIII
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That gentleman who used the tape is the first demo I've seen that didn't show damage to the decals. Perhaps Eduard is onto something, but I've seldom had any problems getting conventional decals to settle down and weather into the surface.