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Title: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Gisbod on August 16, 2020, 05:07:41 AM: Hi again fellas,

I tend to get mini modelling obsessions - my latest one is 1/72 resin kits, specifically, Ardpol, a Polish manufacturer now out of business. I’ve a thread running already on an Ardpol LVG C.VI, but this arrived today and I couldn’t resist taking a sneaky peek!

It’s an aircraft I’d never heard of before (her later sister, yes, but the 533 Mk.I no). I’m always amazed at the amount of aircraft I stumble across I’d never seen before, despite a life long interest in all things Aviation, and in particular WW1.

Mini Wiki summary:

“Designed as a twin-engine bomber and photo-reconnaissance aircraft, the Avro 533 was a development of the earlier 523 and 529A. Originally designated the Avro 529B, the new 320 hp (240 kW) ABC Dragonfly I nine-cylinder engine was specified, but with a redesign in July 1918, the type number was subsequently changed to Avro 533. When the original engines were not available, the 300 hp (220 kW) Siddeley Puma engine was substituted on the second prototype in November 1918, this acquiring a new designation, the Avro 533A Manchester Mk II, and first flying in December that year. An American 400 hp (300 kW) Liberty engine was also proposed as an alternate engine.”

So only 3 ended up being built then scrapped, the Mk1 (this model), the MkII, and (imaginatively ;D ) the MkIII.

And what a beauty she was! (and very shiny - straight out of the showroom 8) ).

(https://i.postimg.cc/N0QhgGYQ/2-FFAAD8-C-06-E6-4446-992-B-3-F6-B8-ECBD29-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fVqqCNJP)

Here’s the Ardpol Box top:

(https://i.postimg.cc/SKn2KkyY/EFA986-A0-58-CB-43-AA-95-C9-35-BEA92-B370-C.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

And, basically, what you get in the box! Slightly daunting at this stage:

(https://i.postimg.cc/fLjJVRS5/7-CC9-A29-F-2-B06-4-A9-A-A605-FEF08-C72-B92-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HcnpKH27)

(https://i.postimg.cc/wjZtPPd5/0-D5-C05-D5-ECF4-4376-9-ED7-FE0-B547-C5-F0-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dhRtZ53D)

(https://i.postimg.cc/zfhL1jJs/908-BEF7-B-9-BC6-48-F7-AF34-39-F8-A91-FDD35.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TyR2Vn50)

(https://i.postimg.cc/SspnQMRJ/DA46-FA7-A-BEC4-4846-95-A4-1-C9-EB0622922.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sBwjw1pr)

A plan view:

(https://i.postimg.cc/SKdBj0NC/6-C9-AD766-9489-40-F4-BC94-0328-D68-A1753.png) (https://postimg.cc/zLLtPchG)

(https://i.postimg.cc/dV2PPkbW/0-CB6-BE93-73-C9-47-B5-9577-C28578-BA91-D1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VJkHX6LM)

Hope you can follow along, it should be fun! ;)

Guy

Ps first thing I’ve noticed is the kit roundels have a fine white border that doesn’t seem to be replicated in the photos.

Pps I got the kit from Super-Hobby.com in Poland - postage was £3.20 and arrived in 3 days! Very impressive...
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: rhallinger on August 16, 2020, 05:17:09 AM: This looks fascinating Guy! I, too, suffer from such mini-obsessions on occasion. It tends to inflate the stash, since I procure far more than I can build, but it's fun and satisfying, and that's what counts. I also like unusual types, so I will follow this build and enjoy your progress. Good luck! ;D

Best regards,

Bob
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Gisbod on August 16, 2020, 05:50:07 AM: Yes Bob,

I get an obsession about a particular manufacturer/ era/ scale/ ships/ etc etc
- buy up the world’s supply then my fancy changes to something else...

Still, I do enjoy the process at least, hopefully I’ll get a few of these made before I become abnormally obsessed with submersibles or gliders or something ::)

Guy
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Gisbod on August 16, 2020, 06:02:33 AM: Ps

Any idea what this metal rod would have been for? Structural? Engine related?

(https://i.postimg.cc/DzYPZ5sB/CB0217-B0-5-D36-486-F-A665-9-C0-D7-B94-AE6-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NymHC6dH)

Guy
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: RAGIII on August 16, 2020, 08:34:51 AM: This should be another interesting build. It is of course an unusual aircraft so I will be following with interest!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: enathan on August 16, 2020, 08:55:55 AM: The Manchester Mk.1 was on my wish list for long. When you ordered the last one from Super Hobby I realized it's now or (maybe) never and ordered one from Polish Made... It looks lovely Guy, have fun building it.
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Gisbod on August 16, 2020, 05:34:25 PM: Glad to have you on board Rick ;)

Quote from: enathan on August 16, 2020, 08:55:55 AM
The Manchester Mk.1 was on my wish list for long. When you ordered the last one from Super Hobby I realized it's now or (maybe) never and ordered one from Polish Made... It looks lovely Guy, have fun building it.

Great! Let’s have two concurrent build threads on the Manchester Mk.I - I bet that’s not happened too often!

The colour in the photo looks like a sleek inky black! Would that have just been the nature of the film? Would it have been a standard PC10?

Guy
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: ermeio on August 16, 2020, 05:56:42 PM: Great choice!
it is an interesting and less known subject
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Alexis on August 17, 2020, 10:54:46 AM: Looking forward on seeing how this turns out :)

Terri
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: kensar on August 17, 2020, 06:34:31 PM: Looks like a nice subject and kit. Have you found much warpage in the parts? Ardpol's early kits had quite a bit of it.
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Bughunter on August 17, 2020, 08:38:33 PM: Quote from: Gisbod on August 16, 2020, 05:07:41 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/fLjJVRS5/7-CC9-A29-F-2-B06-4-A9-A-A605-FEF08-C72-B92-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HcnpKH27)
Oh, all parts already separated from sprue? ;D ;D ;D

Somebody got a taste of ~~blood~~resin!

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Gisbod on August 17, 2020, 11:41:43 PM: Thanks chaps,

Quote from: kensar on August 17, 2020, 06:34:31 PM
Looks like a nice subject and kit. Have you found much warpage in the parts? Ardpol's early kits had quite a bit of it.

No not much to be honest Ken. It states plunging parts into boiling water to regain their original shape if required, but the wings are taped to stiff card In the box which has stopped mine warping.

Quote from: Bughunter on August 17, 2020, 08:38:33 PM
Quote from: Gisbod on August 16, 2020, 05:07:41 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/fLjJVRS5/7-CC9-A29-F-2-B06-4-A9-A-A605-FEF08-C72-B92-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HcnpKH27)
Oh, all parts already separated from sprue? ;D ;D ;D

Somebody got a taste of ~~blood~~resin!

Cheers,
Frank

That’s actually how it comes in the box Frank - just a single clear bag of loose parts other than the fuselage and wings.

I’ve just started cleaning up. Nothings numbered - these are all of the struts! Don’t know what goes where, it’ll be a case of experimenting as I go along!

(https://i.postimg.cc/gjFz5R5c/C8-A431-A0-0-A2-D-427-D-85-BB-F3-FE92344-ECA.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CB7pnZS9)

The engine nacelles glued together and sanded (thin CA - seems to work well with the resin). The sanding did however reveal a few pin holes in the resin material (air bubbles I guess) but easily filled.

(https://i.postimg.cc/1zd5Gbrq/ABEDDCEC-F1-E7-40-D7-90-F9-F256503-D7-B54.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8FhSDK3p)

The pilot’s cockpit area. The control wheel is nicely moulded for this scale, but what a pain to get the flash off neatly! Note the moulding defect on the forward deck.

(https://i.postimg.cc/KzgcJQ0s/50-F73-A1-C-E905-4624-AB54-6-C757-B3-FEF66.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DJnKzQkq)

The main undercarriage legs - I at first thought one was the control column shaft so cut it off the base! So had to pin and glue that back together... ::)

(https://i.postimg.cc/FKzHJh3v/3-E69-F8-A8-5-AC7-4-D9-E-A732-46-A5-D04-ADDB9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SX0hBFg1)

The IP.. pretty decent...

(https://i.postimg.cc/7ZmL65CX/3750-C1-C9-6-F37-4238-BD80-853523964-BB2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZWvmsKxy)

Guy
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: RAGIII on August 18, 2020, 02:45:00 AM: Excellent start. I don't envy your task of figuring out the struts but I am sure you will succeed!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Gisbod on August 18, 2020, 04:27:24 AM: Thanks Rick,

Just a couple of interior shots. I think the detail is really good - not a lot to add.

Guy

(https://i.postimg.cc/44KvChL6/47-CB9-F3-E-3-B51-4635-93-F4-2-D1-A114-EF018.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Z0Svp0hn)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZY18JK21/BA87-B3-B0-0-A78-418-D-A5-B2-EB35-F90147-CA.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3WF4B7KB)
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: lone modeller on August 18, 2020, 05:17:49 AM: Been away Guy so only just found this. I too am a fan of prototypes and the lesser known: I did know of the early Manchester as I have British Bomber Since 1914 and it is briefly described there. An interesting type directly contemporary with the DH 10 and Vimy, and as we know few of either got into service.

Those struts may look a bit daunting at the moment but once you sort out the mainplanes and cabanes that will only leave the engine struts. I sometimes get confused when I mass produce mine and put them to one side for a few weeks while I am making and assembling other parts - use the plans as they are good indicators of sizes.

Will be following with interest especially as this is in the Correct (ie. God's Own), Scale.

Stephen.
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Gisbod on August 20, 2020, 04:29:02 AM: Thanks Stephen,

I’m beginning to think you’re right about 1/72!

Fuselage ready to close up, nothing added other than belts.

(https://i.postimg.cc/GmMXkS4s/45-B38195-D8-D7-45-DA-B1-D5-62-B006-DC1-FD6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/876dG4B1)

(https://i.postimg.cc/k5BfwFSY/09-A990-FB-5585-45-F3-89-D3-EF992052-E887.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kVPQgSfW)

(https://i.postimg.cc/DzH5NJdv/8-CFF4-F59-62-B7-4-D4-D-B927-69-FB2-B87-AAC3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KK7nkYHw)

Guy
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: lone modeller on August 20, 2020, 05:42:28 AM: Super cockpit detail. I always think that in this scale there is no point in adding much more than you have done as it cannot be seen. Better to concentrate on the exterior parts and allow more time for another rare type build!

Stephen.
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: RAGIII on August 20, 2020, 07:50:25 AM: Your interior looks great. Just the right amount of detail for the scale!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Alexis on August 20, 2020, 10:42:38 PM: Agree with Rick , just the right amount of detail for the scale .

Terri
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Gisbod on August 21, 2020, 06:29:47 AM: Thanks,

Yes, I think in 1/72, just a clean, simple paint job works best, the kit comes with nice moulded detail anyway.

I’ve progressed a little, not without a few cock ups - the lower wing on one side snapped in two at a natural joint - so I had to pin and glue that, one drawback I guess of resin, but I’ve got the fuselage together, wings on (I used a brass rod ‘spar’ through the fuselage, hopefully that will be strong enough, and the engine nacelles fixed in place.

Guy

(https://i.postimg.cc/bw1gRskX/8-BDA0864-998-B-41-EE-BD7-D-B5-D798-E44-FE3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sMD5jfTK)
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: PrzemoL on August 21, 2020, 08:05:16 AM: Very fine work all around. And so quick! Watching with great interest.
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: RAGIII on August 21, 2020, 09:17:41 AM: Impressive progress and looking great 👍
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: GazzaS on August 21, 2020, 02:06:46 PM: Nice work!
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Alexis on August 21, 2020, 09:35:09 PM: You are making quick work on this one so far !

Terri
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: kensar on August 21, 2020, 09:46:30 PM: Nice progress, Guy. Its coming together quickly.
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Gisbod on August 23, 2020, 06:02:33 AM: Thanks again Terri, Ken, Prze, Rick & Gazza ;D

Pressing on, I’ve pre drilled all the rigging/ strut holes. I’m not looking forward to the strut/ wing fitting. I just hope I don’t mess up; the potential to do so is enormous! :P

I’ve probably jumped the gun, but I couldn’t wait to get a layer of primer on to see if my sanding shows up, few touch ups required but overall, not too bad.

It was quite tricky getting the right dihedral for the top and bottom wings - the top wing is in 3 parts and, again needs pinning. It’s not perfect but good enough!

(https://i.postimg.cc/T387pKH5/24-DF5-A4-C-6-FDC-4828-8-CF7-765-D2911-BA98.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BXgczn3J)

(https://i.postimg.cc/25G2c2jn/18767859-02-CF-4-FD6-B724-448188-B5-E659.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JyyNt3kh)

(https://i.postimg.cc/bwQ6bqKC/14947421-8-BEA-4-A6-C-8840-A6-E7579-F5-E63.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MnpbJJZV)

The undercarriage leg I broke earlier broke again just above my pin so I had to replace the strut with brass rod. I cut off the small hoop and epoxied it to the rod. As the model sits on this, I have some concerns. I really wanted to solder a metal one on, but I just didn’t have anything that resembled it. I hope I don’t regret that later!

This is me trying not to epoxy the leg to the workbench...

(https://i.postimg.cc/25r07PYz/322-CDC19-586-B-4-C26-BEB3-871-E784-E25-AB.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bZV0zVdM)

Cheers,

Guy
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: gedmundson on August 23, 2020, 07:59:00 AM: Great progress on your model Guy. I've not paid much attention to the 1/72 scale for a long time, but this caught my interest big-time.
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Gisbod on August 24, 2020, 03:48:02 AM: Thanks Gary,

Yes, I’m a recent convert, at least I can keep them due the smaller size.

Dashing ahead now, I’ve got some colour on - Home brew PC10. I wanted a fairly dark, fluid look as this it how the photo depicts her (admittedly, altered by the period film), anyway, I like it!

Guy

(https://i.postimg.cc/rskgkXvH/DA1-AAA73-63-C5-4479-8-BB5-E1-FEAE651-BA1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/k6TWQZMN)

(https://i.postimg.cc/KjDfcpb8/BB3-AA1-D7-CE76-46-A0-89-E9-DC0-FDEB504-B8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LghLNThc)
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: kensar on August 24, 2020, 04:20:36 AM: Nice! :)
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: lone modeller on August 24, 2020, 05:44:27 AM: I turn my back for a day or two and suddenly the model is half finished! I have not made anything in resin but looking at those u/c legs i too would replace them with something stronger, especially as the model will be heavier than plastic.

The upper surfaces finish looks good to me - it sets off the relatively (for the time) streamlined engine cowlings.

Stephen.
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: fredjocko on August 24, 2020, 09:52:02 PM: That is some nicely cast inside fuselage detail.
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Gisbod on August 24, 2020, 10:08:17 PM: Thank you again :D

Stephen, yes, ideally I’d do the whole thing in metal like Frank would do, but I just don’t have the means to make the small parts, any tips here welcome!

Yes, I think the Manchester looks fairly sleek and modern all round for the period, shame it didn’t get into service.

My masks arrived yesterday for the LVG and the Manchester :D

I’m pressing ahead with this project, as I’m in full swing! Masks worked well, despite one area of lifted paint on a wing roundel (and primer!). I did wipe the parts down with a baby wipe, but it did trigger a memory of reading that resin needs to be soaked overnight in detergent? Any advice on this again from resin experts?

The kit didn’t come with any gun rings or guns, despite these being shown on the instructions. I don’t know whether they’re missing or were never intended? I might need advice on what to use for the rings (perhaps Frank can chip in ;) ) the guns are easily enough sourced as Gaspatch do resin 1/72 guns.

Guy

(https://i.postimg.cc/44wWY1SH/19-D83654-842-B-47-FB-8844-2-B98-CACAFE8-D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0rMY37x9)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Gh5zQmrc/88-EC7-EC1-E965-46-AE-B8-B2-C3639-EA547-C3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GHvk3rHN)

(https://i.postimg.cc/15tJwNkC/1360-C4-C6-C814-4-AF7-AF19-456-F9-C37-A8-FD.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/K46Py4vB)
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: rhallinger on August 24, 2020, 10:44:29 PM: That's lovely Guy. Very handsome aircraft, and your finish is very fine indeed. Nicely done.

Best regards,

Bob
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: FAf on August 24, 2020, 11:39:45 PM: Great work Guy!

I really like the finish you've got! Did you stick to Mr. Paint for your own PC10 as well? Good job on painting the markings. You seem to have nailed the inner bits on those serials!

/Fredrik
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: RAGIII on August 25, 2020, 02:27:56 AM: Lovely painting! I am amazed at the speed and quality of this build!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Gisbod on August 25, 2020, 03:15:53 AM: Thanks Bob, Fredrik & Rick ;D

Fredrik - yes, I’m currently using MRP to the exclusion of anything else. They spray beautifully, by far the best paint I’ve ever used for airbrushing.

Heading towards mounting the top wing, which I’ve been trying to avoid for as long as possible!

Guy
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Bughunter on August 25, 2020, 03:47:55 AM: Wow! I'm always impressed by your speed!
Again a complex bird already painted and decaled, looks very nice!

For such heavy model you may need a metal gear? Put thin steel wire in Albion brass pipes (sizes depends on your model) pieces and squeeze it with a small vice.
I would at first experiment with short pieces in different sizes (the thickness you can calc: steel diameter + 2x0.1mm wall thickness).

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Gisbod on August 25, 2020, 04:49:00 AM: Thanks Frank,

But the issue is the round ring which the wheel axle sits in. I just need a small metal ring to solder to a brass leg..

Guy
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: lone modeller on August 25, 2020, 05:21:52 AM: Wow this is being built at speed. Super finish especially the serial and cockades.

Stephen.
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Alexis on August 25, 2020, 12:17:03 PM: Fantastic progress Guy :)

For the ring use what diameter you need out of brass rod , wrap this around the shank of a drill bit for the size needed . Cut off the tails and you have a small coil . Cut one side and you are left with brass rings .

Terri
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Gisbod on August 25, 2020, 04:53:47 PM: Thanks Stephen & Terri..

Terri, I think I see what you mean. I’ll experiment with that... thank you ;D

Guy
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: GazzaS on August 25, 2020, 06:16:46 PM: Nicely painted, Guy!
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Gisbod on August 26, 2020, 06:22:09 AM: Thanks Gaz ;)

What a tangled web we weave...

(https://i.postimg.cc/4d5gW0B6/FF4-DF1-BA-2271-45-CA-8490-5-F5001-A8714-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/R6NyFgrh)

Guy
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Alexis on August 26, 2020, 10:11:22 AM: Hey look WHISKERS ! ;D

Your welcome guy ;) Let me know how that works out for you .

Terri
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: RAGIII on August 26, 2020, 11:28:13 PM: Tangled indeed, but I am sure you will sort it out!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: lone modeller on August 27, 2020, 01:48:47 AM: Nothing like a good bit of sewing on a 1/72 aircraft to help test your patience....

Stephen.
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Mike Norris (UK) on August 27, 2020, 07:21:04 AM: Looking great - not an easy model to rig,

Mike
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Gisbod on August 28, 2020, 03:41:11 AM: Thanks Terri, Rick, Stephen & Mike :D

Actually, the rigging is really easy the way I’m doing it.. just pulling it through the bottom wing - simples. The problem I’m having is attaching the top wing. I thought I’d nailed the dihedrals but they don’t quite marry up. So I’m having to elastic band the lower wings to a smaller angle, I tried to fix the wing yesterday but failed miserably.. I knocked it off after much swearing and cursing. I just couldn’t get it all to marry up.. so after scraping off glue and repainting, I’m ready to start again. Any tips most welcome!

Here’s where I’m at...

Guy

(https://i.postimg.cc/g29mHV2z/A893-A843-1998-4-AC5-BA7-E-EFFD83-DB9438.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Yhx5pmFZ)
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: RAGIII on August 28, 2020, 08:26:32 AM: I am in complete awe that you can even come close to lining up all of those struts! I feel confident you will master the assembly!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Gisbod on August 28, 2020, 07:12:15 PM: Thanks for the encouragement Rick,

Well, just as I thought ‘that’s another kit binned’ I suddenly snatched victory from the jaws of defeat! Got it all together ;D

I did pairs of struts at a time, reinforcing with the rigging as I went along (I do love that monofilament gives such strong support). It effectively locks everything in place. It’s now naturally forced the dihedral to the correct angles.

Phew.

Guy

(https://i.postimg.cc/vBqpHN8v/2-BFAD0-F6-48-C8-4-B90-B2-F5-4-DE8-B8058-C2-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xJms6gzk)
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: andonio64 on August 28, 2020, 08:05:39 PM: Great success Guy!
I am not scared by rigging but I am scared a lot by the cabane and here I see a lot of struts also on the engine nacelles!
That would be an interesting challenge!
:-O
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: RAGIII on August 28, 2020, 10:28:48 PM: Impressive results! A Big win for the Modeler ;D
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Gisbod on August 29, 2020, 01:51:52 AM: Thanks,

I decided to reinforce the landing strut as I could see the epoxy joint wouldn’t hold.

I took Terri’s advice and made a small ring out of brass rod then soldered it to the strut. I’ve only recently bought the soldering iron on a whim, and it was easier than I thought. Super strong too! I might go all ‘Frank’ on future builds!

Guy

(https://i.postimg.cc/nhvdRc5m/C981-F053-4932-4-B74-A26-D-46-F619-E44827.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZW5F0ZJY)
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Bughunter on August 29, 2020, 02:45:47 AM: Quote from: Gisbod on August 29, 2020, 01:51:52 AM
I might go all ‘Frank’ on future builds!
:D

You made an impressive progress! Clean build.

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: fredjocko on August 29, 2020, 04:09:25 AM: Quote from: Gisbod on August 29, 2020, 01:51:52 AM
Thanks,

I decided to reinforce the landing strut as I could see the epoxy joint wouldn’t hold.

I took Terri’s advice and made a small ring out of brass rod then soldered it to the strut. I’ve only recently bought the soldering iron on a whim, and it was easier than I thought. Super strong too! I might go all ‘Frank’ on future builds!

Guy

(https://i.postimg.cc/nhvdRc5m/C981-F053-4932-4-B74-A26-D-46-F619-E44827.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZW5F0ZJY)

This is looking fantastic!! What type of solder do you use. I’ve been using CA glue on PE and I see how much more you can do with soldering. Do you use flux as well and if so, what kind?
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: FAf on August 29, 2020, 05:18:54 AM: She's looking really good, Guy! Good job on the upper wing as well as the soldering.
/Fredrik
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Gisbod on August 29, 2020, 05:29:26 AM: Thanks Fredrik,

Fred - yes, I can see soldering opening up a whole new world of modelling possibilities! It’s almost impossible to break and it does sand down. I just ebayed a cheap as chips iron and generic solder - yes, I used Flux - again a bottle on eBay. I think the whole lot was under £20.

Bargain!

Guy
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: lone modeller on August 29, 2020, 05:49:23 AM: If I had put on all of those struts I would have started with the outers and then added the remainder two at a time. I built the Frog Vimy and the Airfix 0/400 kits in that way, and I regularly scratch build aircraft with multiple struts in the same way, (Caproni Ca 5 for example). I know that it is too late now but you might find the idea useful for another time.

Frank: you must use flux when soldering - it cleans the joint and makes the solder flow otherwise you will get awful joints. As Gary has commented, solder is easily filed to clean the joints and the results are very much stronger than CA or any other glue. Soldering is not nearly as difficult as many imagine (and as I used to do).

Stephen.
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: RAGIII on August 29, 2020, 07:49:45 AM: Awesome! You guys are making me think about dusting off a gift My Mother gave Me years ago...a Soldering Iron( Cool Heat). Maybe there is hope for me yet!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: PrzemoL on August 29, 2020, 08:18:53 AM: Great results all around, including the rigging. I am sure the final result will be superb.
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Alexis on August 29, 2020, 01:13:53 PM: Excellent outcome Guy :)

Terri
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: GazzaS on August 29, 2020, 03:46:25 PM: Looks great all rigged up! Nice work!
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: Gisbod on August 29, 2020, 04:19:26 PM: Thanks again Stephen, Rick, Prze Terri, Gaz!

Quote from: RAGIII on August 29, 2020, 07:49:45 AM
Awesome! You guys are making me think about dusting off a gift My Mother gave Me years ago...a Soldering Iron( Cool Heat). Maybe there is hope for me yet!
RAGIII

Definitely Rick, it’s certainly easier than I thought. As Stephen said, I think Flux is the secret. Just slop it on the joint beforehand.

Quote from: lone modeller on August 29, 2020, 05:49:23 AM
If I had put on all of those struts I would have started with the outers and then added the remainder two at a time. I built the Frog Vimy and the Airfix 0/400 kits in that way, and I regularly scratch build aircraft with multiple struts in the same way, (Caproni Ca 5 for example). I know that it is too late now but you might find the idea useful for another time.

Frank: you must use flux when soldering - it cleans the joint and makes the solder flow otherwise you will get awful joints. As Gary has commented, solder is easily filed to clean the joints and the results are very much stronger than CA or any other glue. Soldering is not nearly as difficult as many imagine (and as I used to do).

Stephen.

That’s a very good tip re the struts Stephen. I’ll definitely try that in future. I think that’s the only part of modelling that still scares me!

To be honest, I’m racing along now. Next post might be in the completed model section!

Guy
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: kensar on August 30, 2020, 12:18:03 AM: I'm glad to see you were able to work out the struts and landing gear issues. Building resin kits has enabled you to expand your skills and use of different materials beyond just resin.
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: FAf on August 30, 2020, 07:39:19 AM: I think I'll borrow that tip about the struts for my Brisfit, even if there are fewer of them than on your Manchester.

Looking forward to completion!
/Fredrik
Title: Re: 1/72 Avro Manchester (no, not that one)
Post by: TimK on August 31, 2020, 06:48:26 PM: Thanks for sharing your great build of an interesting aircraft.
Does anyone know of any other kit than this which provides an ABC Dragonfly engine, at any scale?
Thanks,
Tim