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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Completed models => Topic started by: macsporran on August 04, 2020, 03:37:02 AM
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As I understand it Occam's Razor is a philosophical construct which suggests that where there are multiple unknowns and multiple assumptions to be made, the safest theorem is the one that makes the least number of assumptions.
Thus, we know that:
the Fokker E.V / D.VIII wings were covered in plywood
it was common practice for many manufacturers (like Albatros and Roland) to cover wood panels in clear varnish
We could assume that:
LSK Razors had green wings like post war Polish machines
the various dyes listed on Fokker plans were to be applied in some form (mixed or not) to the Razor's wing.
Making no assumptions, I am going to follow Occam and give my Razor clear varnished plywood wings!
On the other hand, I can envisage Sachsenberg, as MarineFeld Commander, taking one look at his newly diamonded Razor after the photographer took his famous picture - and saying to his mechanics - "I'm taking no chances with that wing, get me one of the new clear-varnished wings (with the crosses running right across the leading edge!) and put it on my plane immediately!"
Whatever. I was itching to try out my RB wood stencils and here was the ideal opportunity to make my own unique take on old GS's late war mount. (By the way copyright applies, so no copycats please!!!)
Unfortunately only phone camera to hand, so apologies for substandard pictures, but hopefully you'll get the idea and either embrace the idea or vilify me for my stupidity.
Anyway here is my Avis Fokker with Pheon's lovely diamonds applied.
Sandy
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Sandy, that looks really cool! I actually prefer the varnished natural wood panels to the two-tone painted variety. That is a very sharp looking aircraft! (No pun intended, razors and all). ;D
Very nicely done, and well thought out.
Best regards,
Bob
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Cheapskate that he was, I'm sure AF would have approved saving the cost of the stains/dyes for the wing.
In spite of my not being able to resist a swipe at AF, I think your scheme is entirely plausible and it looks just great.
sp
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Thanks guys. No brickbats so far then!
(Next I think I'll do Voss's Triplane with the disputed tartan nose. (Plaid, for our US friends.))
S
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Which Clan?
sp
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Your theory is plausible and probably as valid as any other. Lovely build and the wooden wings look Fantastic!
RAGIII
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Looks terrific Sandy, and the scheme is anything but "off the wall", it makes as much sense as the two tone nightmare I used on mine! Great application of informed research and a great model! 8)
Cheers,
Lance
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Thanks for the encouragement guys. Took ages to complete, but hopefully the mojo is fully working again now.
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Outstanding results, Sandy. The wood wings really look the part.
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Outstanding build of the E.V/D.VIII! Using Occams Razor as justification for the plywood scheme is as unarbuable as saying the earth is a sphere. Well done on the wood effect on the wing and the fuselage is marvel.
By the way.....What kit is it?
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Thanks chaps.
It's the original Avis 1/32 kit, (as built by Des as the bumble bee machine). Later released by Micro Mir. Quite a lot of added PE from a Part Fokker D.VI set although you can't see any of that in my poor pictures.
I might get another and try a lozenge fuselage with wooden wing.
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Looks beautiful, and varnished plywood wing makes a unique E.V/D.VIII model. As all of us know about colour controversy in WWI (and beyond) modelling I think it's perfectly plausible that several of these aeroplanes featured unpainted, unstained wing and especially after replacement of initial, poor quality and failing batch wings.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Very nice, very colourful. A pleasure to behold!
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Thanks for your kind comments guys.
I was tempted to leave it high gloss after decalling. Not sure the satin coat works as well on the wing, but probably more scale accuracy. I might still give it another gloss coat!
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Now that is an unusual, not to write unique take on the colour scheme. Well it is as good a theorem as any and there are perfectly valid reasons for suggesting it. I really like it, asnd as long as you do too that is good enough.
Looking forward to the Voss machine with the (disputed) tartan!
Stephen.
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Many thanks for your kind words, Stephen. I wasn't sure if I'd be slain for daring a unique interpretation but everybody has been encouragingly supportive. Much appreciated.
S
P.S. (I'm busy investigating the legendary duel between Voss and Captain Flashheart, which leads me to suspect his adoption of the Blackadder tartan adorning his Triplane, but I haven't quite got all the facts as yet...)
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Very nice job indeed! Love that wood effect.
Cheers,
Gary
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What a fantastic build! A real eye catcher! The wooden wing is very nice!
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Thanks very much, chaps.
S
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I love this scheme, Sandy, and the unpainted wood wing looks perfect! You've changed my mind as to how I will proceed with mine.
Cheers,
Bud
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Brilliant, Bud, thanks mate.
S
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A unique take and a beautifully finished model of Sachenberg's E.V. I've got a Eduard E.V half finished that I'm planning to do as Osterkamp's (fictional) Bumblebee. I'm planning on doing something similar with the wood stencils but then to put very thinned streaking to let the woodgrain show through underneath. Photos of Achim Engels replicas seem to show that the streaking/staining is not opaque and does fade and wear pretty quickly showing the woodgrain, I've seen a photo floating around on the internet of one of the replicas and the staining has worn away to such an extent as to make the wing look like the one on your model! So I guess that you could interpret it that way as well. Well done.
Dave Rickard
Rockhampton QLD
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That's very interesting Dave, thanks for the encouragement and the extra info. To be honest I had originally intended attempting some light streaking on the wing, but when I applied the stencilled grain and glossed the wing to seal it, I loved the resulting colour of the wood so much I couldn't bear to cover it up! And then Occam came to my rescue with good reasons for keeping as was.
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Where would AF have got the Tartan paint from? would have to have been smuggled in via Sweden because of the Naval blockade, unless he was able to send a Zeppelin to the Outer Hebrades for a few cans of it. Regards, Pete in RI
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I like it !
I have also read some where about the natural wood wing , must admit that it looks totally cool and will be doing my the same way .
Terri
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Thanks Terri. This is most encouraging- what started out as a light-bulb thought seems to be gaining credence and possibly supporting evidence. Dare I say in future there may be the DSA streak wing vs the SA plain wing!!! (I jest of course.)
Cheers
Sandy
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Very nice looking build!
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That is very appealing, love it!
I'm pretty sure that Voss's tartan nose was yellow, no, green based tartan though.
In fact it was custard colour, as in "tart an' custard".
Not sure how it came out of the can though.......
Ian
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Cheers guys, thanks for the encouragement.
(Busy following up my theory regarding the face on Voss' machine being actually the Loch Ness Monster!)
S
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Ditto all the above compliments !
Ed
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Thanks again, Ed
S
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Well I missed this til now!!! Love it, love the theory, love the execution - and you got the beast together!!!- That alone is an accomplishment!!!
Steve
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Thanks, Steve.
I think drilling the main cabane struts through and into the wing was the key to a solid attachment. After all the painting and finishing, it was a simple matter to mount wing and slide small pins through the holes to secure with a drop of CA.