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Title: Fokker D.VII in USAS Markings
Post by: fredjocko on July 25, 2020, 01:32:17 AM
Hi:

Its been awhile since I have posted anything. I'm glad to see I am still a member. I started this build a long time ago and I finished it during the Covid shutdown. After WWI the USAS, USN, and USMC received several D.VII's as war prizes and evaluations. My example is P127 operated by the USAS. Thank you for looking, Carl

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Title: Re: Fokker D.VII in USAS Markings
Post by: smperry on July 25, 2020, 01:58:20 AM
A nice change from seeing D.VIIs in German liveries. Did they recover the machine or just slap a coat of OD over the loz?
sp
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII in USAS Markings
Post by: fredjocko on July 25, 2020, 02:05:30 AM
A nice change from seeing D.VIIs in German liveries. Did they recover the machine or just slap a coat of OD over the loz?
sp

Good question. I have seen pictures of the planes in lozenge with no German crosses. Some aircraft were fitted with six cylinder Liberty engines so they may have been recovered in new doped linen.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII in USAS Markings
Post by: ermeio on July 25, 2020, 07:59:00 AM
excellent!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII in USAS Markings
Post by: Alexis on July 25, 2020, 09:55:28 AM
Really nice job Carl , must say she does like cool in her chosen livery  :)


Terri
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII in USAS Markings
Post by: fredjocko on July 25, 2020, 11:18:39 AM
Really nice job Carl , must say she does like cool in her chosen livery  :)


Terri

Thank you. It does look different without the lozenge. I wish I could find more info on the ones used by the Navy and Marines.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII in USAS Markings
Post by: fredjocko on July 25, 2020, 11:19:12 AM
excellent!

Thank you
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII in USAS Markings
Post by: RAGIII on July 25, 2020, 12:27:09 PM
A nice change from seeing D.VIIs in German liveries. Did they recover the machine or just slap a coat of OD over the loz?
sp

I agree with SP. Nicely done in a livery we don't often see modelled! Beaautiful work!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII in USAS Markings
Post by: Old Man on July 25, 2020, 05:37:52 PM
Really nice job Carl , must say she does like cool in her chosen livery  :)


Terri

Thank you. It does look different without the lozenge. I wish I could find more info on the ones used by the Navy and Marines.


The Navy at the time was deciding what machines to employ on turret platforms (short runs of temporary decking on battleship turrets that allowed a machine to take off more or less safely). A great many sorts were tried, Camels, Strutters, N.28 among others were actually employed. The Navy took a dozen crated Fokker D.VIIs with an eye towards testing them for such use. Nothing came of it. Six were passed off to the Marines, and two were assembled and flown from Brown Field at Quantico. These were flown by two pilots of 3rd Squadron, 2nd Lt. Sanderson and 1st Lt. Rogers. It is not clear if these Fokkers were actually regarded as operational equipment, they do not appear to be armed in photographs. Lts. Sanderson and Rogers were sent out in 1922 to a Marine squadron in Santo Domingo, and in fairly short order after they departed Quantico, both Marine Fokkers were wrecked, with at least one fatality. One of them is reportedly still in the mud at the bottom of the river bordering Brown Field.




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Title: Re: Fokker D.VII in USAS Markings
Post by: smperry on July 25, 2020, 06:18:18 PM
I saw one hanging in the Naval Aviation Museum in Pensacola. It was done up in German livery and markings of some Ace I don't recall, so it is either a restoration or a replica. If a restoration, could it originally have been one of ones the Navy got after the war?

sp
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII in USAS Markings
Post by: fredjocko on July 25, 2020, 08:35:03 PM
I saw one hanging in the Naval Aviation Museum in Pensacola. It was done up in German livery and markings of some Ace I don't recall, so it is either a restoration or a replica. If a restoration, could it originally have been one of ones the Navy got after the war?

sp

I spoke to a docent at the USNAM about that aircraft and he said it wasn’t one of the aircraft originally given to the Navy. If it was that would have been really cool.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII in USAS Markings
Post by: fredjocko on July 25, 2020, 08:47:51 PM
Really nice job Carl , must say she does like cool in her chosen livery  :)


Terri

Thank you. It does look different without the lozenge. I wish I could find more info on the ones used by the Navy and Marines.


The Navy at the time was deciding what machines to employ on turret platforms (short runs of temporary decking on battleship turrets that allowed a machine to take off more or less safely). A great many sorts were tried, Camels, Strutters, N.28 among others were actually employed. The Navy took a dozen crated Fokker D.VIIs with an eye towards testing them for such use. Nothing came of it. Six were passed off to the Marines, and two were assembled and flown from Brown Field at Quantico. These were flown by two pilots of 3rd Squadron, 2nd Lt. Sanderson and 1st Lt. Rogers. It is not clear if these Fokkers were actually regarded as operational equipment, they do not appear to be armed in photographs. Lts. Sanderson and Rogers were sent out in 1922 to a Marine squadron in Santo Domingo, and in fairly short order after they departed Quantico, both Marine Fokkers were wrecked, with at least one fatality. One of them is reportedly still in the mud at the bottom of the river bordering Brown Field.


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When I first started working on this I wanted to do an USMC aircraft so I spoke to the historians in Pensacola and Quantico. They didn’t have much to say and the pictures they had were ones I had already seen. The testing of the aircraft launching off the gun turrets is a very neat story. Sanderson and Rogers were interesting characters.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII in USAS Markings
Post by: PrzemoL on July 26, 2020, 03:25:44 AM
Very nice model, and in unusual markings which adds a lot of bonus to it. Is it 72nd scale Roden?
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII in USAS Markings
Post by: fredjocko on July 26, 2020, 04:03:56 AM
Very nice model, and in unusual markings which adds a lot of bonus to it. Is it 72nd scale Roden?

Thank you. I’m sorry I guess I should have included it’s Wingnut Wings’ 1/32 Early Fokker and used the louver cowling pieces from a previous built OAW kit.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII in USAS Markings
Post by: dr 1 ace on July 26, 2020, 08:01:52 AM
The overall OD scheme sets it apart from most and shows the clean lines of the  DVII--Nice Build !!

Ed
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII in USAS Markings
Post by: fredjocko on July 27, 2020, 03:02:35 AM
The overall OD scheme sets it apart from most and shows the clean lines of the  DVII--Nice Build !!

Ed

Thank you so much. It does look completely different without its lozenge.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII in USAS Markings
Post by: lone modeller on July 27, 2020, 05:34:19 AM
I too like the OD scheme as a contrast with the more common German Jasta schemes. An interesting back story to these Us machines too.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII in USAS Markings
Post by: macsporran on August 04, 2020, 05:32:53 PM
Nice model. I had to look twice to realise it was a D.VII, so unusual to see one that doesn't look like a candy shop!
Title: Re: Fokker D.VII in USAS Markings
Post by: gbrivio on August 04, 2020, 06:31:40 PM
Very nice, I was surprised and interested as many other  about the OD livery and the history, unknown to me of the US Fokker D.VIIs. Thank you for sharing.
Ciao
Giuseppe