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Getting to know one another => Your Introduction => Topic started by: SimonCornes on June 03, 2020, 09:14:41 PM
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I am a relatively new WWI aircraft modeller but I have experience with more recent aircraft types. I have been buying mainly Wingnuts for around 5 years - my first buy was the Snipe (Late) because up to then I had been buying Silver Wings 1/32 resin kits of inter war types and the Snipe was an 'excuse' to try Wingnut. So I now have a typical Wingnut collection size but I haven't actually built one yet. I have the two books on building the kits plus Stringbag and I try to buy the appropriate Windsock to give me better knowledge of the subject. I am very interested in building techniques.... paints, materials. I am a mainly enamel user but I have questions about what paint to use when you apply lozenge decals? I start off with the idea that the Wingnut surface detail is very fine. My favourite primer is Halfords white plastic primer but then I worry that the Halfords paint might be too coarse for the moulded detail? Then I know I need a gloss coat - Halfords appliance white? Might that not be too coarse as well? I start with the principal that I don't want to cock it up! Maybe I need to know what the best paint combination is to get to that starting point of applying lozenge decals? I should say that I also have a few Roden 1/32 kits - the Wolsey SE5a for example and Fokker F.I and Dr.I plus a couple of earlier Albatros. I certainly have the kit base to get started but I just need to take the first step!
Simon
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Welcome to the Forum Simon. I have used the standard Tamiya acrylics (Usually their X2 Gloss White but occasionally with a bit of darker color like X-55 Deck Tan added for a darker effect) since starting to build WNW Kits 10-11 years ago. It has worked very nicely for me. I would say any gloss white or "off-white" would work including enamels for the purpose. Sounds like you have a good stock of Kits to start into WW.I Aircraft Modelling, good luck!
Cheers,
Lance
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Welcome to the forum, Simon.
Cheers,
Bob ;)
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Welcome to the site Simon :)
Terri
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Welcome to the Forum Simon. I have used the standard Tamiya acrylics (Usually their X2 Gloss White but occasionally with a bit of darker color like X-55 Deck Tan added for a darker effect) since starting to build WNW Kits 10-11 years ago. It has worked very nicely for me. I would say any gloss white or "off-white" would work including enamels for the purpose. Sounds like you have a good stock of Kits to start into WW.I Aircraft Modelling, good luck!
Cheers,
Lance
Thanks Lance. One question - primer? Years ago I never used primer, I was painting in Humbrol matt enamels using a hairy stick. In more recent years I have become 'sophisticated' and finally discovered what an airbrush is for - back in the 70's it was a spray gun for Microscale varnishes! So now, sometimes I use primer - Halfords plastic white or grey. Do I need primer if using Tamiya gloss white?
Thanks
Simon
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Welcome to the forum, Simon.
Cheers,
Bob ;)
Thank you Bob. At some point I intend to stock up with your products!!
Cheers
Simon
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Welcome to the site Simon :)
Terri
Thanks Terri!
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Welcome to the Forum Simon. I hope you find much here to interest you.
I was amused by your reference to being "sophisticated" with now having an airbrush. I'm a brush painter and happily so and I'm sure you'll find many others here who brush paint. As such Humbrol enamels have been my choice but now I prefer Humbrol and Vallejo acrylics.
We look forward to seeing your builds and feel free to ask any questions. Lots of knowledge in our friendly group.
cheers
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Welcome to the Forum Simon. I have used the standard Tamiya acrylics (Usually their X2 Gloss White but occasionally with a bit of darker color like X-55 Deck Tan added for a darker effect) since starting to build WNW Kits 10-11 years ago. It has worked very nicely for me. I would say any gloss white or "off-white" would work including enamels for the purpose. Sounds like you have a good stock of Kits to start into WW.I Aircraft Modelling, good luck!
Cheers,
Lance
Thanks Lance. One question - primer? Years ago I never used primer, I was painting in Humbrol matt enamels using a hairy stick. In more recent years I have become 'sophisticated' and finally discovered what an airbrush is for - back in the 70's it was a spray gun for Microscale varnishes! So now, sometimes I use primer - Halfords plastic white or grey. Do I need primer if using Tamiya gloss white?
Thanks
Simon
Simon,
I never use primer other then to "Dress" areas of repair or filler/putty. I've had consistent success with the Tamiya Gloss White (X-2) as a base for Aviattic's Lozenge products over easily a dozen or more subjects.Several light coats to a shiny finish and then let it cure for at least 24 hours is what I use, never had a problem!
Cheers,
Lance
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Welcome to the Forum Simon. I hope you find much here to interest you.
I was amused by your reference to being "sophisticated" with now having an airbrush. I'm a brush painter and happily so and I'm sure you'll find many others here who brush paint. As such Humbrol enamels have been my choice but now I prefer Humbrol and Vallejo acrylics.
We look forward to seeing your builds and feel free to ask any questions. Lots of knowledge in our friendly group.
cheers
Dave Wilson
Thank you Dave, I'm sure that I will - there is a great deal to learn! The art of paintwork is an elusive want but we all start somewhere and whilst I'm not exactly a beginner I know theres a lot to learn before I think I know what I'm doing! No doubt I'll grasp the nettle with acrylics but I have a lot of enamel to get through!
Cheers
Simon
Gold Coast
Australia
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Welcome to the Forum Simon. I have used the standard Tamiya acrylics (Usually their X2 Gloss White but occasionally with a bit of darker color like X-55 Deck Tan added for a darker effect) since starting to build WNW Kits 10-11 years ago. It has worked very nicely for me. I would say any gloss white or "off-white" would work including enamels for the purpose. Sounds like you have a good stock of Kits to start into WW.I Aircraft Modelling, good luck!
Cheers,
Lance
Thanks Lance. One question - primer? Years ago I never used primer, I was painting in Humbrol matt enamels using a hairy stick. In more recent years I have become 'sophisticated' and finally discovered what an airbrush is for - back in the 70's it was a spray gun for Microscale varnishes! So now, sometimes I use primer - Halfords plastic white or grey. Do I need primer if using Tamiya gloss white?
Thanks
Simon
Simon,
I never use primer other then to "Dress" areas of repair or filler/putty. I've had consistent success with the Tamiya Gloss White (X-2) as a base for Aviattic's Lozenge products over easily a dozen or more subjects.Several light coats to a shiny finish and then let it cure for at least 24 hours is what I use, never had a problem!
Cheers,
Lance
A-ha - several coats! I have this sort of psychological issue of cleaning the airbrush - I don't like it - and if I have to do it repeatedly I get impatient - this is why I like to use a rattle can with automotive plastic primer in it - just shake it then spend an evening putting on layers! So I had to put on layers of X-2? Okay, I'll just have to get my head around it!!
Cheers
Simon
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Welcome to the Forum.
I never use primer with Tamiya paints. But I sand everything, at least a little, to avoid paint lift.
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Hi Simon,
I do tend to prime - Halfords spray beautifully, but I find they need a light rub down after to get a super smooth finish. I also use Mr Hobby surfacer 1500 - dilute with their levelling thinners And it sprays nicely.
I have recently tried not priming, but I do find I get some lifting if I’m masking on occasion. It’s really trial and and error and personal preference!
The convenience of a Halfords grey rattle can is hard to beat though!
Guy
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Hi Simon,
I do tend to prime - Halfords spray beautifully, but I find they need a light rub down after to get a super smooth finish. I also use Mr Hobby surfacer 1500 - dilute with their levelling thinners And it sprays nicely.
I have recently tried not priming, but I do find I get some lifting if I’m masking on occasion. It’s really trial and and error and personal preference!
The convenience of a Halfords grey rattle can is hard to beat though!
Guy
Hi Guy,
So you are with me on the Halfords primer front but then what paint would you use on top prior to applying lozenge camouflage decals? I worry about obscuring the decal with too much paint!!
Simon
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Welcome to the Forum Simon. I hope you find much here to interest you.
I was amused by your reference to being "sophisticated" with now having an airbrush. I'm a brush painter and happily so and I'm sure you'll find many others here who brush paint. As such Humbrol enamels have been my choice but now I prefer Humbrol and Vallejo acrylics.
We look forward to seeing your builds and feel free to ask any questions. Lots of knowledge in our friendly group.
cheers
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
Thanks Dave, the forum is already proving to be both interesting and useful. I'm afraid I don't post images of WIP or finished models these days. I used to post via photo bucket but I stopped when they decided to charge. As it was, it took most of an evening to post half a dozen pictures with my old PC so I decided it wasn't worth it - life's too short! So now I don't bother - I might e-mail photos taken with my iPhone to friends but I assume I can't post iPhone photos straight onto this forum and I don't want the faff of sites like Photobucket again!
I listened to your recent podcast about Wingnut and thought it was great - thank you for doing it! The one thing that you did not mention and which intrigues me is what you think Wingnut might do with their stock in the warehouse at Wellington? Like many people I have e-mailed them and told them which kits I might like to buy should they start trading again - and I've had an acknowledgement - but I wonder if they'll decide to sell to retail customers like me or, instead, sell in larger numbers to wholesaler/retailers like Sprue Bros or Hannants in order to generate turnover. Your podcast comments then made me wonder if SPJ might just hang on to the lot for 5 or 6 years - when he might start to trade again - and then have a ready made, wide ranging stock of his kits to sell at that point? I suppose we all have to wait to see how things pitch out but its a fascinating - and frustrating - subject!
Best regards
Simon
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And this 'Can-Gun' makes spraying Halfords Primer a doddle.
(https://www.matt-pack.co.uk/Files/100684/Img/22/cangun1-300x300.jpg)
von B ;)
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Hi Guy,
So you are with me on the Halfords primer front but then what paint would you use on top prior to applying lozenge camouflage decals? I worry about obscuring the decal with too much paint!!
Simon
If you’re using Halfords, I would rub the surfaces down with a very fine sanding/polishing cloth (Halfords do these too!), then any light based colour would do (probably best to experiment first) I tend to use white/ beige. Pre shading works, but easy to overdo it as most lozenge is very translucent.
Hope that helps
Guy
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Welcome Simon! Great to have you joining us! I hope those WNW kits get built, they deserve to! Your question regarding undercoats is quite valid, I used Tamiya acrylics for many years with no undercoats, but always undercoated a white finish with a light grey, interestingly enough, as the white on it's own needed too many layers to cover the plastic colour completely - just my experience! But enjoy your modelling with us, there is always more than one technique to accomplish a fine finish, and we are all learning! Regards, Marc.
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Welcome to the Forum Simon. Your question about primer and white has been well covered by some of the best 8) This is part of why I Love this Forum. enjoy your stay!
RAGIII