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Title: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: rhallinger on April 29, 2020, 02:23:38 AM
Greeting fellow WWI modelers!  After a multi-year absence (work obligations and life in general), I am modeling again, although I've been watching regularly here during the hiatus.  I have been particularly intrigued by the paper model builds by Dan (NinetythirdLiberator), and his tutorials on YouTube have prompted me to have a go at a paper kit.  Years ago I bought a couple of them with the intention of using them as templates for plastic scratch-build projects someday, so now I am just going to try to build them in their own right! ;)

I have selected a Polish paper kit in 1/33 scale of the M-S Type L Parasol flown by Sub-Lieutenant Reginald Warneford, RNAS, when he destroyed German Airship LZ37 by dropping bombs on it near Ghent, Belgium on 7 June 1915.  He was awarded the Legion of Honor by France, with General Joffre awarding the medal 10 days after his feat, on 17 June 1915.  Sadly, Warneford was killed in a non-combat flying accident that same day, while preparing to ferry an aircraft back to England.  He was 23 years old.  Warneford was posthumously awarded the Victoria Cross for his action in destroying LZ37.

Here is the kit:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49822161107_08c2d49686_c.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49822178921_5a3080446f_c.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49822151847_514d6f2ed2_c.jpg)

The instructions are in Polish, so I'm relying on the illustrations and Dan's tutorials.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49821643868_ea2936a623_c.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49822152542_a897ae143a_c.jpg)

I'll update on progress later.  I've been at it for three weeks, and it's going well so far!  Thanks Dan, for the inspiration and guidance. ;D

Best regards,

Bob
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: rhallinger on April 29, 2020, 03:28:03 AM
I am using the Windsock Datafile for the M-S Type L, which includes cover art of Warneford in action against L37, and a number of fairly good photos of No. 3253 for reference.  The ModelArt kit includes a second fuselage option for a French aircraft.  Apparently, these aircraft were delivered to RNAS by Morane with French cockades on the wings and no national markings on the fuselage.  In the case of No. 3253 (and perhaps other aircraft), the RNAS added British cockades to the fuselage sides.  This aircraft also had the cowling and wheels painted white. 

More later. :)

Bob
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on April 29, 2020, 07:51:27 AM
Hello Bob!

That looks great "in the box".  Can't wait to see it all built up.  Maybe we'll get a nice little following over here now that we have a lock on all the 1/32nd models out there... ;)

Looking forward to this...Dan
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: Alexis on April 29, 2020, 11:06:49 AM
Impressive kit , looking forward on seeing this come together .



Terri
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: rhallinger on April 29, 2020, 11:22:37 PM
Thanks Dan and Terri!  I'll try my best to make something of this.  It's looking good to me so far, but I'll roll it our with a little deliberation. 

First things first, being a neophyte at paper modeling, before I started cutting out parts I went back and re-read Dan's construction threads for the Avro Spider, Aviatik Berg and Nieuport 24, which were very helpful.  Thankfully, I noticed the link in the Nie.24 thread to Dan's YouTube tutorials, and I watched each of them a couple of times.  Invaluable, both for skills learning and confidence-building.  Great resource Dan!  Thanks.

So, with Exacto knife, a supply of #11 blades, steel rule, sharp craft scissors (small and large), tweezers and tacky craft glue, I set about cutting out cylinders, crankcase, etc. for the 9-cylinder Le Rhone engine.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49821309133_a9012a31b0_c.jpg) 

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49821848036_2a8ff45b6f_c.jpg)

This work can be a bit tedious, so I would do a few and then take a short break.  Before I knew it, I had the base engine together.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49822284726_0158296f24_c.jpg)

I added wire lift rods and fashioned the copper manifolds from styrene rod.  I am pleased with the result, and it should look fine under the half cowl of the Type L.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49822559407_3e5b03b12b_c.jpg)


That's enough for now.  The cowling is next, three paper parts.  Here I followed Dan's lead from his Nieuport build.  More to come soon.  I'm having lots of fun with this! :D

Best regards,

Bob
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: RAGIII on April 30, 2020, 12:20:48 AM
The engine turned out great! Like I always say, hard to believe it is paper!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: rhallinger on April 30, 2020, 07:33:58 AM
Thanks Rick.  I wasn't sure how it would turn out, being paper after all  ;), but I am happy with the overall impression and the way it went together.  On to the cowl.

The Parasol has a half-cowl similar to a Nieuport 11.  The kit has three pieces.  In order to provide rigidity for the cowl during finishing and handling, I used the circle cutter to cut a backer from plain card stock, and it worked well.  Here is the basic cowl assembled (the foam is just to give some support during handling):

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49821682603_e076f4dae0_c.jpg)

I then followed Dan's process and applied modeling putty to the seams and sanded, then repeated sprays of auto primer and sanding to get a smoother surface:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49821304858_6ea0258b1b_c.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49822365397_5cc01d7fe4_c.jpg)

Warneford's Parasol had a white cowl, but the kit provided a silver finish, which was not a problem since it would need paint over the primer anyway.  Here is the finished cowl painted white, M-S logo plate in place, with the engine installed:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49822112442_02261f2866_c.jpg)

You can see some other components in the last photo, but they are for a later installment.  I am very happy with the cowl.  So far, so good!

Best regards,

Bob

   
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: smperry on April 30, 2020, 08:59:52 AM
Bob, that is just great. I took a 1st Out of the box with a Type L, (old Eduard kit). I think your's looks better than the plastic and PE engine I built for mine. I am in awe of how you smoothed out the cowl. I would have probably grown a crop of sanding fuzz and had to paint it green and tell everyone it was a Chia - cowl.
sp
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: RAGIII on April 30, 2020, 11:46:28 PM
Outstanding work on the cowl! Together with the engine it looks superb!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: rhallinger on May 01, 2020, 12:08:56 AM
Thanks for your kind comments sp and Rick.  I am simply a marginally competent student in this case.  I just followed the method suggested by Dan's YouTube tutorial and build thread on his paper Nieuport 23, and it really worked! ;D  Who knew?  I appear to be somewhat trainable. ;D

I am finding that a nice thing about these paper kits is that once you get past the nitty-gritty small parts like the engine components, the main air frame goes together relatively quickly, and it's already painted and lettered!  So, we shall continue.

A la Dan, I built a 1/32 balsa bulkhead structure for the rear fuselage, using xerox copies of the fuselage parts as patterns, to give the fuselage some rigidity.  This particular kit has very little in the way of bulkheads, so I added some where I could.  The long open cockpit limits that option for the forward fuselage, so I relied mainly on the kit cross members in that area.  The bottom and sides of the fuselage are interesting, as they are comprised of an interior and exterior piece for each component.  The interior piece of the bottom is slightly smaller than the exterior, providing a tiny "shelf" to create a reasonable joining surface to the side pieces.  Here are the photos:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49822116167_4a0ba16a91_c.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49821264893_f97da5c182_c.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49821800366_932dc6d51e_c.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49822679212_88c005adb1_h.jpg)

The rudder and elevator went together easily, and are shown in the last photo.  The fuselage interior is pretty much straight from the kit.  Sparse is fine for an early aircraft like this, and I decided not to venture into more detail as this is my first paper build and I am going for an overall look and feel rather than detail, and just hoping to get it all together in a presentable form. ::)

The two-piece wing is up next.   

Best regards,

Bob

Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on May 01, 2020, 03:51:04 AM
Holy Buckets...I'm not here for a couple of days and WHAM!  This looks so nice, Bob.  Really looking great.

I too like your engine and the cowling looks super too.  Interior was fast!

I'm glad those builds and videos are helpful.  That was the intent but I'm never sure if they are actually useful.  Great news.  I think you'll like the balsa.  Just a bit beefier and gives me more confidence than cardboard.  Just make sure your formers are the correct thickness!  I've had to sand some balsa down since in some cases, the thickness doesn't seem like much, but then when you try to skin a side of the fuselage etc. things won't fit and it's because you are several 1/72nds thicker over several formers which adds up!   ::)

Can't wait to see this one further along.  Neat job.

Dan
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: rhallinger on May 01, 2020, 05:20:42 AM
Thanks for your kind words Dan!  I don't think I ever would have ventured into this realm absent your build threads, beginning with the Avro Spider and Pfalz Dr.I, followed by all the rest.  The recent videos were really the icing on the cake.  As noted, I got a couple of these years ago intending to use them as patterns for plastic scratch build.  You have demonstrated to me that just building them as paper kits is actually easier and even more enjoyable!  I am finding them to be quite addictive, with the added benefit of kits for rather obscure types that will never be kitted in plastic in large scale.  I just got a Wektor Aviatik B.1 Austrian 2-seater, and have a Friedrichshafen F.33 inbound.  I think I'm hooked!  I will still build in plastic though as well, with this nice diversion on a regular basis I think.  Thanks for all of your help with this effort Dan.

By the way, I am not really moving quite as quickly as the posts would seem (although the kit has gone together much more rapidly than a plastic counterpart, in my experience).  I started about 26 days ago, and it is very nearly complete (another day or two), so say four weeks, which is very quick for me to finish a model.  I'm just rolling out the construction in small doses.

The wing is next. 

Cheers,

Bob       
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: rhallinger on May 01, 2020, 05:36:40 AM
Speaking of the wing, here it is.  I substituted a 1/32 balsa "spar" for the paper one in the kit, adding a bit more rigidity.  Much of the work on the wing was curling it (both top surface and bottom) to the correct airfoil shape (a cross-section is provided in the instructions).  Part of the fun here is finding cylindrical object to roll/burnish the curve into the paper.  For a broad curve like the wing, I fount a spent neon light tube from an old aquarium lamp, about 1" in diameter, worked very well.  The two sides of the wing were curved, glued and joined rather quickly. 

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49822365416_dc94a16023_c.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49821754493_db83a6e01e_c.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49822598872_07dfa4cc6f_c.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49821727103_1a6f355baf_c.jpg)

I plan to use weathering chalks to add rib shading and tone down the brightness of the French cream color and cockades.  There are some good photos of this particular aircraft in the Datafile that will help with that.

Now the major components of the air frame are done, so next is some assembly.

Cheers,

Bob 
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: rhallinger on May 01, 2020, 05:39:44 AM
Of course, attaching the wing via fairly complex strutting looks a bit intimidating:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49821725293_53dba3158f_c.jpg)

I'll save that for later, and do the tail feathers first, then the landing gear. 

Best regards,

Bob
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: RLWP on May 01, 2020, 07:35:53 AM
It's a pretty strong structure, even if it doesn't look it:

(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/morane-saulnier-parasol/Cabane-1.JPG)

The undercarriage is scarier!

(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/morane-saulnier-parasol/Undercarriage-4.JPG)

Richard
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: smperry on May 01, 2020, 08:33:20 AM
Richard
Are the wing struts, pylon struts and U/C struts all paper or is there a wire stiffener in there?

This model is moving right along and looking super.
sp
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: rhallinger on May 01, 2020, 08:56:36 AM
Thanks for your encouragement Richard.  Your model looks top Notch!  Looks to me like your struts are brass.

Sp, the plans for the paper kit call for 1mm brass rod for the main struts.  Due to the light weight of the wing and the need for wire nibs to insert in the fuselage, I am opting to use plastic rod for the struts, drilled out with brass wire pins inserted in the ends.

Best,

Bob
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: smperry on May 01, 2020, 11:30:23 AM
Looks like that does the trick. I'm getting fascinated with these paper models and I'm paying attention to all the builds going on.
sp
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: RLWP on May 01, 2020, 05:20:57 PM
Mine are brass tubes from my scatchbuild

Brass rods with paper covering sounds good to me. I'm quite keen on card modelling

Richard
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: ermeio on May 01, 2020, 06:03:24 PM
Great model allover, Richard!
The undercarriage is super
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: rhallinger on May 02, 2020, 09:45:13 PM
Here are the tail feathers in place.  A rather delicate assembly with minimal contact points, which required judicious use of CA applied with a pin.  Seems pretty solid now.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49822227926_dab3d6548d_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iUBWzL)M-S Parasol Paper Model (https://flic.kr/p/2iUBWzL) by Robert  Hallinger (https://www.flickr.com/photos/188152442@N04/), on Flickr

Elevator and rudder horns were carefully cut out, edges colored with a Sharpie, then carefully glued in place.  They have to support stretched EZ-Line rigging, so the attachment points were reinforced with CA.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49821550358_c8e85bd6f5_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iUytay)M-S Parasol Paper Model (https://flic.kr/p/2iUytay) by Robert  Hallinger (https://www.flickr.com/photos/188152442@N04/), on Flickr

Successfully rigged, and it's holding up,  On to the tail skid armature, which will be brass rod soldered, and will require an assembly jig.  Time to find my soldering iron.  Haven't used it in a few years.  Hope I can find it!

Cheers,
Bob

Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: matt77 on May 02, 2020, 11:25:52 PM
Clean execution, I will appreciate the same mastery for the structural parts.
matt77
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: matt77 on May 02, 2020, 11:34:03 PM
Look what I found on an old hard drive,
the finnish MS-Thulin typ D F1 in 1/48.

(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/e550/1yu7dvqw4nsbbxvzg.jpg)
 (https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/2cb9/3fy83rlec9o9s30zg.jpg)
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/1641/430h612y1rhporbzg.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: RAGIII on May 03, 2020, 12:02:51 AM
The tail feathers look awesome! Terrific work!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: rhallinger on May 03, 2020, 02:11:00 AM
Thanks Rick. 

Marco, I will do my best with undercarriage and wing struts! ;)  Your 1/48 Finnish Parasol is lovely.  Your finishes are very realistic and appealing to me.  Thanks for sharing that.

I'll try to post some photos of the tail skid work a little later. 

Cheers,

Bob
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on May 03, 2020, 02:49:33 AM
Looks great, Bob.  Rigging with EZ should be...well..easy!  Within reason, anyway.

Looking forward to more cool work...Dan
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: lone modeller on May 03, 2020, 08:06:46 AM
Welcome back Richard! I have only just seen this and did not know that you were going to return with a first class paper build! For a first venture into this medium you are showing real skill. Just reading through this thread shows some of the hidden secrets of making paper models - and very interesting and informative they are too.

Stephen.
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: rhallinger on May 03, 2020, 10:02:35 AM
Thanks everyone. 

The instructions provide a full size scale template for the tail skid armature, to be fabricated from brass rod.  I made up a quick basswood jig and glued on a copy of the template to help position the brass pieces for soldering.  Fortunately, I located my soldering iron and solder right where they belonged.  Here is the progression of work, and it went very well.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49822154871_d91e34a572_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iUBySc)[url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/188152442@N04/]

[url=https://flic.kr/p/2iUBH8L](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49822182686_dee3853816_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iUBySc)M-S Parasol Paper Model (https://flic.kr/p/2iUBH8L) by Robert  Hallinger (https://www.flickr.com/photos/188152442@N04/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49822188192_fd3b3c93b2_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iUBJLG)M-S Parasol Paper Model (https://flic.kr/p/2iUBJLG) by Robert  Hallinger (https://www.flickr.com/photos/188152442@N04/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49821548378_b52d55c668_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iUyszq)M-S Parasol Paper Model (https://flic.kr/p/2iUyszq) by Robert  Hallinger (https://www.flickr.com/photos/188152442@N04/), on Flickr

Here is the completed and installed tail skid.  The skid is the folded paper part from the kit, attached to the armature with CA and rigged with EZ-Line.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49822180411_cd6416a347_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iUBGsx)M-S Parasol Paper Model (https://flic.kr/p/2iUBGsx) by Robert  Hallinger (https://www.flickr.com/photos/188152442@N04/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49821887666_99d323a8cc_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iUAcrd)M-S Parasol Paper Model (https://flic.kr/p/2iUAcrd) by Robert  Hallinger (https://www.flickr.com/photos/188152442@N04/), on Flickr

This came out well for the first try! 

Time to add the engine and cowling on the front end and then build up the undercarriage next.  This is a fun build!

Cheers,

Bob
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: RAGIII on May 04, 2020, 01:02:02 AM
Really impressive bit of soldering on the tail skid. It looks amazing in place!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on May 04, 2020, 03:32:59 AM
Wow, Bob...neat, neat, neat all the way around.  Wings will look great on this beauty!
Dan
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: rhallinger on May 04, 2020, 11:28:40 PM
Thanks Rick and Dan.  I appreciate it.

With the tail skid in place and finished, it was time to complete the other end of the fuselage, which was as simple as gluing the engine/cowl assembly to the firewall.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49822228161_6bdfe086ef_c.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49822225901_5e39493848_c.jpg)

The undercarriage is a set of paper parts reinforced with brass wire bent to the appropriate shape, and axles of brass rod in thicknesses specified in the instructions.  There is also a paper A-support for the landing gear.  I have used my Waldron punch and die set frequently with the paper kit, as getting a clean, round, small hole in paper is difficult otherwise.  That's how the A-support bracket was holed to accept the axle. The main landing gear struts were cut out (front and back) and the wire reinforcement attached with CA to one side and then the other paper side glued in place.  These were narrow struts, so there were some seam gaps that needed to be filed with putty and sanded.  I used Tamiya Black acrylic to paint them.  Here's how things came out:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49833985862_e27153347a_c.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49833985952_02f99c1a00_c.jpg)

The main rigging A-support from the kit was added and everything was rigged with EZ-Line:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49833144488_e89166c4b3_c.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49833143943_4520e6da4b_c.jpg)

Up on its feet!

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49833985702_c6b40f8547_h.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49833143828_73c7b67621_c.jpg)

Everything looks way too clean to my eye, so I'll have to dirty things up with chalks soon. 

I'm cheating on the wheels to save time, and using a spare set of Tom's Nieuport wheels which look the part.  I'll try Dan's technique for balsa wheels next time out, maybe. ;D

Dan, you'll get to see the wing next time out. ;)

Cheers,

Bob




Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on May 05, 2020, 12:34:15 AM
Hot damn...looks so nice on it's feet.  Those wheels look great though!  I've been known to add a WNW plastic prop when my attempts at the paper ones go awry. 

Great looking machine!

Here come the wings...Dan  :D
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: RAGIII on May 05, 2020, 01:36:20 AM
Cowling, engine, gear struts and wheels look amazing in place! Lovely build to date!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: rhallinger on May 05, 2020, 01:53:09 AM
Thanks Dan and Rick.  Dan, I'm planning on using a spare plastic prop that matches as well, since my patience does have limits. ;)  I'll experiment with paper ones later.

Rick, thank you for your kind appraisal.  I'm really enjoying this build.  There's something exciting about learning and using new skills, and the paper kits give fairly quick visual gratification, since you don't have to wait for paint and markings! ;D

Best regards,

Bob
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on May 05, 2020, 03:47:10 AM
Good plan, Bob.  I used a plastic on my Avro Spider for that reason.  I think the best prop I've made so far was for the Nieuport.  They can be tricky. WWII props aren't as bad for some reason...The current Fokker uses multiple layers glued together so we'll see how that looks when done. 

This will be a great finish!
Dan
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: Alexis on May 05, 2020, 08:52:23 AM
I'm impressed with your work on this kit , very well done so far .



Terri
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: RLWP on May 05, 2020, 05:31:07 PM
It isn't quite clear from the pictures - there is a gap between the cowl and the fuselage sides. Yours appear to be solid segments of a circle. That allows the cooling air to exit the cowl

Richard
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: rhallinger on May 05, 2020, 10:59:50 PM
Good observation Richard.  Yes, I left the backing card to which I had attached the cowling (for construction integrity) in place and just cut off the bottom, then painted the rear of the area between fuselage sides and cowling black to hide it--but not from your sharp eyes!  Honestly, I didn't realize that was supposed to be open on the prototype, and all the photos I have in the Datafile only show black darkness/shadow in that area, so nothing is really visible much.  With a paper cowl, I think it would have been difficult to achieve the proper shape and strength/stability without the backer, particularly with my plan to use putty, auto primer and sanding to smooth the surface of the cowl.  I think I would have struggled without the backer, at least at my stage of paper modeling skills, but I'm sure there is a way to do it right with paper.  The kit instructions have no backing for the cowl, but simply indicate a brass rod between the bottom tips of the cowl.  Maybe I'll try that on the next paper Type L I build! ;) ;D  Thanks for the information; always good to know how things are supposed to work or be configured.

Cheers,

Bob 
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: rhallinger on May 05, 2020, 11:52:33 PM
On with the wing (literally!).  First, while it was still flat on the work surface, I applied some subtle rib-shading with chalks.  It doesn't show up well in photos, but it's there, and makes the wing surface look much better.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49822156636_0ada56d668_h.jpg)\

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49821538693_2b133e79e9_c.jpg)

Next, after realizing that the brass rod called for in the instructions for the struts would be difficult to attach without soldering pins to each strut (and my soldering skills being meager, despite the success with the tail skid), I opted for Evergreen styrene rod instead, with which I could more easily drill out the ends and add brass wire attachment pins.  The wing is so light that plastic should work fine.  Here is the process:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49821550428_89491f3edf_c.jpg)

All of a sudden I was out of excuses (Have you ever put off a modeling step you are nervous about until you've completed everything else you can easily do first?), and the jig appeared on my bench and after a bit of fiddling and adjustment of attachment pins, the wing was attached to the struts and fuselage.  Hooray! ;D

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49837160261_71d14a44da_c.jpg)

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(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49837461547_1804b76d55_h.jpg)

Although the camera angle distorts things a bit, the A-strut is pretty well lined up on center, and the wing is square in all dimensions.  A miracle! ;D ;) 

All is solid and aligned out of the jig as well:

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(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49836619853_6e36b8770c_h.jpg)

Here she is on her feet, withe the final support struts in place.  I fashioned a non-prototype pully-like cap the the apex of the main struts, to hold the EZ-Line rigging in place on that point, and CA'ed it in place.  Ready to rig!

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49837460872_f95056be51_h.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49836619818_92ecce1119_h.jpg)

I forgot about the undercarriage bomb rack (not a part of the kit), but I'll do that next time, before rigging.

Cheers,

Bob
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: Radarman on May 06, 2020, 02:14:35 AM
Bob,
You "Paper Boys" are really adding some great builds to the forum. Keep up the great work!

                                                                                                                            Kevin
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: Bluesfan on May 06, 2020, 02:36:48 AM
I'm just stunned at how this is turning out! I've been on tenterhooks, because getting that wing into place was always the danger zone with a model of this type - and I can see how a card model really scores over heavier plastic in this regard.
Fabulous work!

Mark
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: rhallinger on May 06, 2020, 05:02:30 AM
Thanks Kevin and Mark.  I, too, am pleasantly surprised by how quickly (and relatively smoothly) this build has gone.  It's really looking like a Parasol now!  ;D

Cheers,

Bob
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on May 06, 2020, 09:06:12 AM
There it is!  Love the wing.  I do think playing around with some post shading on these is indeed useful.  I fear, however, that I've been spoiled by Matt77!
Dan
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: smperry on May 06, 2020, 09:28:30 AM
Is that the Eduard kit?
sp
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: rhallinger on May 06, 2020, 10:49:01 AM
Thanks Dan, and sp thanks for that tip of the hat. ;D

Bomb rack, some dirt, then rigging.  Almost There!

Cheers,

Bob

Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: rhallinger on May 06, 2020, 11:45:46 PM
Since I remembered it in time, I want to add the undercarriage bomb rack on this aircraft.  There are a few fuzzy pictures in the Datafile, and rather than going overboard with research for this (as my intent with this build is mainly to see if I could successfully build a paper kit, not create a perfect replica in every detail) I have simply crafted something that looks approximate based on the limited photographic evidence before me.  This will be under the air frame and across the rear landing gear struts, so it is not front-and-center on the model, but still visible.

I considered paper, but then decided that it would be easier and quicker to use Evergreen styrene strip (I guess I'm a multi-media kind of guy!) and some bead wire.  To get the visual image seen in the photos, I needed half a wire loop suspended below the cross-member for each bomb harness, and I counted four in the photo that I could see.  After a few minutes of noggin work I came up with the idea of creating what are essentially 3/16 eyelets with fine bead wire by twisting a length around a drill bit shank.  I made four of them, then drilled appropriately sized holes at the necessary intervals on the cross-member.  The eyelets were then added by pushing the twisted shaft through the hole and securing with a drop of CA.  I then cut the twisted shafts flush with the top of the cross-member with nippers, and did the same with the bottom half of the eyelet loop.  Voila--bomb harnesses!  Looks acceptable to my eye.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49848292006_cd62fefa32_c.jpg)

Here it is painted and installed:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49848576427_b16a3478e6_c.jpg) 

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49847757853_669fd8efe9_c.jpg)

I'm leaving off the bombsight/trigger mechanism, which looks like a big throttle quadrant on the right side of the fuselage next to the cockpit.  It's not included in the kit, and I'm applying the same premise as above for the bomb rack--not going for precision here.  My back story is that it has been removed by the mechanics for maintenance, testing and calibration--that's my story and I'm sticking to it! ;)

I just received some Uschi elastic thread in the mail, so I may try that for the rigging, which is up next. Until then,

Cheers,

Bob
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: rhallinger on May 07, 2020, 10:26:04 PM
Rigging came off with little heartburn, using Uschi elastic thread, creating a maze of wires.  They are hard to see in some photos unless the light skin of the aircraft is behind them, with the cluttered backdrop of my workbench.  This will be solved when I take shots of the completed model.

Speaking of which, the plastic prop is painted and the oil stain drying in a box for a day or so until I can clear orange coat it.  That's it then, and she'll be complete! ;D

Here are some bench shots of the rigging:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49865140081_151a323b37_c.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49864744398_578d503208_h.jpg)

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(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49865618192_03bc7d686f_h.jpg)

Tomorrow I can add the prop and she'll be done.  I've learned a great deal with this build, both about modeling paper kits and generally, made some mistakes and learned some more, but that's the point.  I really enjoyed this build and had fun with it, and at the end of the journey now have what I consider to be a very nice model of Warneford's Parasol in large scale.  Final shots with prop tomorrow.  Take care everyone!

Cheers,

Bob
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: smperry on May 08, 2020, 02:50:30 AM
Hey, you left off the glue spooges around the rigging.

Seriously Bob, that is a lovely model and I have looked forward to every update. The way you handled the edges of the cut paper pieces really makes this bird, it looks more plastic than paper. All up, how much do you estimate it weighs?
sp
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: RAGIII on May 08, 2020, 02:51:57 AM
Nice addition with the bomb rack! The rigging looks superb as does the whole model!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: rhallinger on May 08, 2020, 03:23:38 AM
Thanks Rick and sp.  Much appreciated. :)

sp, honestly, I don't think it can weight more than a couple of ounces!  It is very light--I'll have to keep it away from household fans or it might blow away! ;)

Cheers,

Bob
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on May 08, 2020, 02:59:31 PM
Whoo-hoo, Bob!  Nice finish.  The prop will really nail it down.

I too like that you have no blobs of glue on the rigging.  I usually get those all over!

So what's next?  ::) ;D

Dan
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: rhallinger on May 08, 2020, 11:41:14 PM
Thanks Dan!  It means a lot coming from you, my virtual mentor for paper modeling. ;) ;D

Next up will likely be a plastic kit for the Coronavirus Group Build, as I have a Special Hobby Nie. 11 that I've been tinkering with off and on for the past year or so, and it's time to get it done (which dovetails nicely with the Group Build theme).  After that, it will be back to paper I think, but I have not decided which one yet.  It's likely to be an Aviatik, either the Matt77 Berg D-1 you previously built (or it's Autumn mottle sister), or the Wektor Aviatik B.1 2-seater.

I realized that I had neglected to show the Windsock Datafile I used for this build, and since it has a beautiful color painting of Warneford's aircraft during the attack on LZ37, I thought I'd share it now, when all is done.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49869457928_38be12a15b_c.jpg)

Here's my 1/33 M-S Type L Parasol paper model of Warneford's mount, with prop added and now complete on the bench:

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(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49870299052_983946047b_h.jpg)

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(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49869993951_d70ef2e991_h.jpg)

This one is done!  (Well, almost--looking at the DataFile cover above, I realize that I may have left of one of the three stirrup steps on the fuselage, but that's easy to add tonight).  Great fun building it! ;D  Thanks to all who looked in, and especially to Dan for blazing this trail here on the Forum and sharing his techniques on YouTube as well.  Couldn't have done it without you, Dan!

As soon as I can cobble together materials for a simple photo box, I'll post more pics over in Completed Models, maybe this weekend if good fortune smiles upon the effort.  Take care all.

Cheers,

Bob
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: lcarroll on May 09, 2020, 12:22:30 AM
    Great model Bob, a really impressive piece of work that proves the quality of this genre of Kit building. It's a fascinating aircraft that, despite it's effective employment in the war, has not received a lot of attention. I'm impressed with the way you handled the landing gear and the rigging, despite it's delicate construction it looks pretty robust. A great addition to any collection, lovely work!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: RAGIII on May 09, 2020, 08:44:24 AM
Outstanding Model in all respects! I Loved following your build!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: Alexis on May 09, 2020, 09:50:45 AM
Man , that is so cool ! Love it  :)


Terri
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on May 09, 2020, 02:43:48 PM
Congrats, Bob.  That turned out just awesome.  A big thumbs up from the Tacoma area.

I do look forward to you next foray into paper and scissors!  ;)

Cheers,
Dan
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: rhallinger on May 10, 2020, 10:56:17 PM
Thanks Lance, Rick, Terri and Dan for your kind comments.  I've just posted a few more pics over in Completed Models.  I'll be back to plastic next to complete that lingering (or malingering) SH Nie.11, but I'll return to paper again soon--I've got a nice little assemblage of paper kits now of types unavailable in plastic, and now I know I can do it.  Nothing breeds confidence like success!  Thanks again everyone.

Best regards,

Bob
Title: Re: 1/33 ModelArt Morane-Saulnier Type L Parasol, paper kit
Post by: GazzaS on May 24, 2020, 03:03:21 PM
Bravo!