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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Paper and Card models => Topic started by: NinetythirdLiberator on April 16, 2020, 01:24:14 PM
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All,
I was sent this model as a gift from Matt77 (Thanks, Marco!!!) and it's my next one up for cutting. Looks lovely as usual. Here are some basic shots of the "kit". The usual rendering standard from Matt77 and the three card models I've built from Fitter have all been really nice so I'm looking forward to this one!
More soon...Dan
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Dan,
I hope you are keep well. This will be another great one to watch.
Kevin in Port Orchard
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Really looking forward to this build! I Love the Jasta 10 scheme!!
RAGIII
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Thanks Kevin and Rick! (How's life in quarantine over in Port Orchard, Kevin??!!) My family is well, thank you and I trust yours is too.
I got the beginning started by pasting the paper former and structural parts to some 1/32nd sheet balsa and couldn't help but start to fuselage and cockpit. Got the floor, main bulk heads and the seat installed. Belts next, rudder pedals and all that jazz!
Can't wait to add the fuselage sides and color to this guy! Engine will be fun too.
More soon...Dan
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Cool , following along on this one Dan :) Off to a good start so far . Those colours for the lozenge aren't all that bad either .
Terri
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WOW! I absolutely Love the look of that seat! Great start!!
RAGIII
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Dan
What thickness balsa are you using? I used to do some prototype building for the late Peter Rake. I would get the plans as an attachment and have them printed. Then using stick glue, stick the paper to the wood and cut the pieces. What I discovered is that it is way easier to cut curved pieces when the drawing is pasted on the wood. Like the paper negates the effect of the wood grain on your blade. Have you noticed that effect?
sp
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Absolutely, Sp! I use 1/32nd for these. I can cut curves without crushing the balsa too and the paper sort of stabilizes the more delicate parts. Just a light score on the paper and then the blade follows quite nicely on successive passes. Works great. When I build balsa flying models I tend to use a glue stick like you suggest. On these, I tend to use spray adhesive. Seems to stick more tenaciously and it's ok to leave it behind since you aren't worried about excess weight!
On an off topic note...I've built several of Peter Rake's R/C models like the Pup etc. I didn't know he had passed away. :'( I really liked his ramblings about quiet flight in the British mags and his plans were really nice to work with. Such a bummer. And thank you for your contribution making the prototypes. Much appreciated over the years.
Anyway, he'd like these little paper models I bet!
Cheers and thanks for the inquiry...Dan :D
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Too cool Dan. That cutting wood through paper trick is magic. So many old Comet kits with flat top ribs and formers.
This is an image of Pete's Strutter flying. I got the plans as an attachment, printed them and started cutting wood.
(http://i.imgur.com/iMkNbGo.jpg) (https://imgur.com/iMkNbGo)
So Dan, when and where will this paper model become available to the blunt nose scissors crowd? I have been wanting to try one and a D.VII is pretty slab sided, I might just get one together.
sp
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Hi there, SP...
This little guy was sent to me gratis from the re-painter of the kit, Matt77, and so I HAD to build it. Such a horrible cross to bear! ::)
I hope that this kit will, at some point, be available on Ecardmodels which is a place that has many downloads for sale. That's where I first saw Matt77's repaints and purchased several. That said, the design of the kit is from a fellow going by "Fitter" and the design may be available from other paper model sources too. Ecardmodels is getting back into the swing of things after being shut down for a long time with server issues. They are slowly stocking things again and I hope that Matt77's stuff will be there soon!
Peter's Strutter looks the bee's knees...lovely shot I must say. Thanks for sharing!
I started working more on the fuselage by skinning the sides from the cockpit to the tail and the underside too. In the first shot you can see some right angle balsa triangles added for strength. You can also see part of the instrument panel, stick and belts. I need to make some thin wire clasps for those. Slowly beginning to look like a D-VII now!
Cheers,
Dan
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Dan
Starting to take shape and looking good.
I checked out E card models and bought an Albie and a Confederate ironclad ship. Now I have to find a source of paper of the correct grades and get my printer more ink.
sp
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Excellent! I really love the weathering effect in the artwork! This is a DVII that I always wished someone would do decals for so I am really enjoying seeing this one come together!
RAGIII
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Thanks Rick and SP!
I have a couple of ironclads too and they are super neat. Heinkel models is a good outfit.
So it's steady as she goes. Looks neat with some more cockpit and tail work. I really like the subdued and weathered effect on the lozenge Matt77 has achieved.
A couple of shots show the nose section which is somewhat of a conundrum to me...when I look at photos of D-VIIs, the nose seems to follow the contour of the lower curve. If I put this thing together as I think it's supposed to go, I think things will be too square and boxy. Maybe it's just an illusion but I need to think on it a bit.
All in all, looks cool from just forward of the cockpit back!
More soon...Dan
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This is looking really great!
This is a nice scheme that I have not seen fully depicted before - looks like it is four color lozenge covered late Fokker built DVII? Is there mention of what serial # it is?
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Looking Beautiful! I see what you mean about boxy. It seems to me the lower panel should curve up to meet the base for the radiator and the upper panels look like they should have a bit more curve. Like you said that could be an illusion. I am sure you will figure things out!
RAGIII
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Thanks Petrov and Rick!
Petrov: I'll check but I don't see a serial number on this machine. I can only see "18" which is sort of a given. It is a nice scheme, though...
Rick: I did some looking on the web and found a finished model of the same design and, sure enough, it's too square. It does have a nice grill that gets bent for the cowling and the lower engine compartment has a curved former but it is designed to follow the rectangle and not the bottom curve. I shall TRY and fix that, as it will look more like a Ranger-powered D-VII than my machine! Anyway...we'll see how it goes.
Still splendidly pretty, though...Dan
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You are right about it looking like a Ranger powered replica. There was one at Clearwater Exec a few years back. All white like Fat Herman's machine. Last I saw it was sitting on a trailer sans U/C which had gotten wiped out in a crosswind landing gone bad. Just enough off to make it uncomfortable to look at like those Merlin powered German planes the Spanish flew for so long.
sp
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Hi Dan,
follow these directions:
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/69b0/z2w4l55kdurwwmkzg.jpg)
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The plane is a Fokker VIIF Late version (Fokker built) piloted by Lieutenant Arthur Laumann of Jasta 10, the serial number is unknown because it is covered by the yellow band under the monogram.
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/f78f/vavca12shn78khezg.jpg)
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THANKS, Marco! Those were my intentions so far. By the way...the renderings on this are simply amazing. Not sure how to say that in Italian but it's lovely.
More work on it tonight!
Dan
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A tad more tonight. Got the stab struts on as well as planked the elevators and attached them. Then I did the buckles in the fuselage, the main instrument panel and the cockpit edging along with the next upper planking where the twin Spandaus will go. Really starting to look like a Fokker.
More soon...Dan
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This one is coming together rather quick , looking good so far Dan . Have you figured out a solution to the cowl ?
Terri
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Working on it, Terri...my wife, in her infinite wisdom, as I was about to start cutting things up, said..."practice on a re-printed part first". I almost forgot that when you mess up, just print again. So I'm in the process of doing that. Cutting here and there to get the curves correct. I think I'll need some new formers etc. but it will be better than the barn door. Marco also showed some good fixes as starters. We'll see what I come up with.
Right now, I'm enjoying the other parts and I think I'll start the guns or the engine next. Maybe finish the tails up with control wires and a skid etc.
More tonight, though! Thanks for the interest.
Dan
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Too bad those of us that work on pre made plastic kits can't just re-print!
RAGIII
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Hi Rick...well I guess you could fork out $$$$ for a 3-D printer and software and learn how to use the program and....
See how cool paper is? Especially now that WNW is no more... :'( :'( :'(
Here are two shots just showing some progress on the beginnings of the engine and the MGs. The clear wrapped brass tubing has one of the cooling jackets wrapped around in there and it will be left overnight. By tomorrow, I'll take it apart and the paper should have a nice, even tube structure to it. We'll see!
The breaches are largely done and look cool with little tiny cocking handles.
More soon...Dan
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Just don't know what to say ...lost for words so I will say that she is moving forward wonderfully !
Terri
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Thanks, Terri. Just little bits at a time. It's been a fun build so far. AND...you'll be glad to know that I THINK I have a fix for the front. I'm still scared to do it yet so I'm making all the rest of the fuselage etc. before I commit to cutting etc. I'll likely need to do some touch-up painting, but I don't think it will look too horrible.
For tonight...BEHOLD! The MGs! Well, they are just sitting in there but you get the idea. I need some flash suppressors on them yet but they look schnazzy with their ammo feeds.
More tomorrow!
Dan
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The engine and Machine Guns look Terrific Dan!
RAGIII
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Dan, this is a beautiful kit and you are doing a marvelous job with it. Marco's repaints are really well done. I just wish he still had them for download sale.
I look forward to your fix for the chin cowl. The learning never stops!
Best regards,
Bob
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Thanks Bob and Rick!
Being shamed into making a better engine by Marco ;) I decided to do just that. At least a little bit. I made the cylinders bigger by wrapping with paper, then colored them with black Sharpie. Tonight I added the little spark plug wire tubes on each side as well as the valve springs. I also had to shorten my cylinders as they stood way to high above the upper fuselage decking. I'll add the rocker arms etc. tomorrow along with the interupter gear on the rear of the engine and then she'll be looking pretty sharp.
Happy Weekend...and our governor just told us to stay at home until May 31st...Aye Caramba.
Dan
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Still a kind of witchcraft with these paper modellers. But the outlook of their models make them right.
Very impressively looking Fokker!
Andreas
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I thought the first one was great. The second looks superb!
RAGIII
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Coming along nicely Dan. The engine does look even better with your enhancements. Looking forward to seeing more.
Best regards,
Bob
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I agree with Andreas - there is witchcraft going on with these paper models! We have not one but three very skilled modellers making three very complex but very detailed models simultaneously - so much to learn and so many good ideas which can be borrowed (stolen) and adapted for use in other media!
Stephen.
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Thanks, Folks...
And now for even more witchcraft! I'm just trying to stay in the race with Marco and Bob... ;D
I got the basic engine done with valve springs, rocker arms and associated mechanics, spark plugs and plug wires. Then I installed the engine in the bay as a first step to fixing the front. The engine still needs the exhausts etc. but I can put them on after I play with the lower cowl and grill. Wish me luck! I also got the tails all rigged and control lines added as well. I was just putting off the front end... ::)
More soon with hopefully good news.
Dan
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Dan, you have yourself a challenge to get that nose right. I have been periodically mulling it over ever since you first mentioned it. Darn hard to use the properties of paper to go from a flat side to a curved nose. I have a bet with myself...You are going to do something I hadn't even thought of and it is going to look way better than any of us ever thought it could.
sp
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Again I marvel at the artwork and modeling skills in the tail section! Like SP said I am sure you will come up with something that will fix the front end! The engine looks terrific in place!
RAGIII
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Looking good Dan! The engine is very fine and I really like the look of the tail section. I look forward to seeing your field repair to the chin cowl. ;)
Best,
Bob
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Thanks, Guys!
I'm still dragging my heals on the lower cowling but I did get another hard part done: the exhaust!
The first picture shows a part that, if you had skill, would fold up amazingly and have a nice cross section but it's WAY too complicated for this little modeler. Look at all those cuts! Heavens above! So I just opted for the other one which was flat and with lots of tweaking and coaxing I got it to look respectable and convex...even on the exhaust engine attachments. Looks like it means business now! Of course, I still need to do the other side and there are no paper bits for that. :P
Where's Bruno and Willi?...Dan
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That exhaust looks very convincing Dan! Marco's paints are amazing. Good call on the exhaust. The engine is looking very realistic. Is it displayed, I hope? Very well done.
Best,
Bob
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The exhaust is terrific Dan!
RAGIII
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Thanks Bob and Rick!
So tonight I actually got the guts and fortitude to start the rhinoplasty. I cut along the lower curve on the side panels as you see in the first shot. That went ok! Then I had to shorten the forward bulkhead considerably. It use to come down almost parallel to the wing attachment making it boxy down there. I then made tiny cuts in the tab as seen and then carefully glued...very slowly and deliberately...following the lower curve and got it close to the forward bulkhead. I just tag-glued it to the forward bulkhead and I think the profile is a bit better than designed. I then used the previously cut yellow parts and removed two small triangles the fill in areas that weren't quite colored. They will look almost hidden to me.
Not too darn shabby. Tomorrow I'll try the other side and then the real fun of fitting the cowling starts. That may be a real problem but we'll see!
Thanks for looking...Dan :D
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Here's a shot of the real machine for comparison!
I think mine is getting closer than the original kit...Dan ;)
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Very nicely done. That isn't a shape paper naturally wants to take. Combination of great visualization and execution.
sp
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Unfortunately, I am only authorized to recolor the drawings, and not to make important changes to Fitters' works.
I knew this was the most obvious flaw in this model of Fitter's.
Fitter's developed the nose a little too simple and hasty, to the detriment of reality.
But , I wanted to see how the best paper model maker would solve the problem of nose.
Best regards,
matt77
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Dan, that is an exceptional solution, and looks very good indeed. I think you nailed it! It must have been with great trepidation that you started cutting the assembled Model (rhinoplasty--haha, made me chuckle). I would have been very nervous! Outstanding work all around. Of course, I was confident you would find a way. ;)
Best,
Bob
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Thanks, All...
And Matt77: The whole model is really lovely except for the nose needing a tweak. I sure couldn't have designed this model as builder-friendly as Fitter did. I don't think I'll get it perfect, but I hope it looks a bit more accurate. Fitter's Nieuport and Balilla are pretty astounding. I do think the D-VII nose is a tough one to get absolutely right.
We'll see how it goes!
More soon...Dan ;)
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This is best solved with parts 41a 41L 41P and 42
(http://pliki.kartonowki.pl/modele/obrazki/galeria/4/4/1/7/picture_0e33a74695cb4902aea75c3bcf654243.jpg)
(http://from-paper.com/images/stories/KartonowaKolekcia01/KartonowaKolekcia011.jpg)
(http://from-paper.com/images/stories/KartonowaKolekcia01/KartonowaKolekcia012.jpg)
matt77
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Nice, Matt77...that does look great. I also tried cutting the chin to make that lower panel but now I'm leaving mine as is. I'll need to study your post some more! If mine turned out like that...I'd be very pleased! ;D
Slowly but surely, it's coming along. I'm trying to use as much of the kit parts as possible by cutting them into smaller pieces and adding them at what I'd assume to be natural breaks. The radiator/cowling is still looking hard to do. The rough edges in the front have been left on purpose since I'm not quite sure where the cowling will go. See below...
I did see another issue I hadn't before while I was working on it last night. The radiator edges/cowling should basically start right at the inspection panel curve and as is, it will sit further forward of that curve. I may have to live with it, though. Sort of depends how that darn cowling really adds up.
I took a small break and just added the upper cowling around the engine and plopped in the MGs. I only made the opening around the cylinders a bit wider and sanded the paper backing a bit to make it easier to smooth into the rest of the forward fuselage.
Getting there!
Cheers,
Dan
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Nice work on the chin cowl Dan. I'm anxious to see how the front-end turns out after your surgery. I hope it will look close to Matt77's non-fitter kit of Udet's D.VII. Good luck!
Best,
Bob
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That certainly is already looking much better Dan! Looking forward to your progress!
RAGIII
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Hi Folks...
I finally made some progress and I'm calling it a "win" even if it's not perfect. Still needs some touch-up and burnishing while the top needs to be finished in front of the exhaust, but I like it much more than the kit parts. It's no Matt77, but we can't all be that amazing... :)
If I build this model again, I'll also shorten the nose which will also make it look better. Anyway, here it is! Much more to come, but this was a hurdle I was not looking forward to! :D
Dan
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Hi Dan,
Looks like you've got that tackled. That demonstrates how complex it is to change something from 3D to 2D and back again.
Take it easy,
Kevin in Port Orchard
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I think your fix on the front looks 100% better. Looking forward to More!
RAGIII
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Thanks Kevin and Rick!
Tonight I did a tiny bit more. I got the little shelf part on the top of the cowling done. Also, what I think is the radiator cap/tube. I think it needs one more tiny piece on top but you get the picture.
Finally, I assembled the prop as the kit instructs. You can see it's made of several laminations much the way l've made flying model balsa props in the past. But I'm not sure. I think it looks too rough and the hub is also not thick enough. I think I'll do some sanding and try to shape it a bit more, paint it, then I'll judge it again.
I'll start the wings tomorrow!!!!!
Cheers to you all,
Dan
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Dan, I somehow missed your clean up of the chin cowling. All things considered, it looks really good, just like a D.VII nose! I know how you suffered through that surgery. ;) Very nice (and not easy) fix.
Latest round is looking good. I am anxious to see how the propeller turns out with a little more of your TLC. As you know, so far I have wimped out on paper props, being 0 for 1 on that topic. ::)
Best regards,
Bob
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Thanks so much, Bob.
I got the prop and hub done tonight. For the main prop, I sanded it down to remove the paper ridges and this left a pleasing, natural "white" color of the paper between the laminations. I then airbrushed a bit of Tamyia "clear orange" over the blades to knock-back the stark white and I think it looks ok! Much better than I thought. Last night I was ready to ditch the whole thing.
Trouble was, the hub is way too skinny and looks kind of lame. So I cut off the blades and used a chunk of Prisma Color Pencil for my new, thicker hub. It's an almost perfect diameter! Lucked out, there. The blades were then glued and blended in and looked ok.
Finally, the prop retainer needed to be re-done. I used a paper punch of the right size to cut it out and added eight little holes with a tiny drill. The whole thing was "painted" with a silver Sharpie and attached to the hub. I then put a small piece of pulled plastic sprue in the middle to approximate the main prop shaft area. Looks neat-oh...
Then I cheated on my radiator cap...I had an old WNW sprue and cut a piece from one of the wing-mounted air speed indicators and it adds some interest to the paper cylinder radiator tube. More neat-oh! ;D
Overall, going quite well. Ok...wings tomorrow...I promise.
Dan
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Neat-oh, indeed! Dan, that prop looks like wood, and the colors are very pleasing. Nice fix for the hub; How'd you every figure our the pencil ploy? I like the ingenuity! Prop boss turned out very well also. I guess I'll have to try a paper prop next time, if I can make it look as good as yours. Nice detail on the oil cap. Looking forward to those wings . . . ;D
Best,
Bob
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Reading through this build log only served to further increase my respect for you as a modeller Dan. You are working with materials which until recently you were not familiar, and with kits which are clearly for those who have some experience of working with paper models. Your ingenious solutions are wonders to read - as good as any plastic/multi-media models such as I make, and in some instances, better.
I really am in awe of those of you who make these paper models - they are real works of art and a tribute to your skill.
Stephen.
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Thank you so much, Bob and Stephen.
And Stephen...your scratch builds of things like that Dornier Riesenflugzeug sort of set the bar kind of high! Amazing stuff. Most of what you see on these paper models is the art work and that's not even my doing! Yes...it takes some time to get to know the paper, but it's well within everyone's grasp. I do like them, though. Somehow, it feel more like you are putting a real airplane together and I enjoy that...
Got the lower wings started by cross-graining my spars to make them a bit thicker to fit the rib slots and much stronger. Then the ribs go on, then the skins! Worked well with a bit o' sanding and tugging around at the paper. I'll do the other side tomorrow and then fix them to the fuselage. Then, on to the top wing!
Stay tuned,
Dan
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Oh Man! That really looks like a D.VII being reassembled after a Jasta move, Dan. :)
By cross-graining, do you mean that you made the spar with two plys running the grain in opposite directions? I assume that framework is your usual 1/32 balsa? Thoses will be very sturdy wings!
Looks just great Dan. Well done, and thanks for the lesson.😊
Best,
Bob
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Hi Bob...
Yup. One spar length has the grain going lengthwise and it's sandwiched to another piece of balsa with the grain perpendicular to that. I use that on RC spars and you are correct. Very strong! I don't want a saggy D-VII especially since it's got no dihedral.
And yes it's all 1/32nd balsa.
The top wing could be a challenge since on the real plane (I think) the underside tapers toward the upper near the wing tip affording some stability so it has a characteristic appearance from the front. We'll see what I can do or if it's needed.
More soon...it's raining here! :D
Dan
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Got the bottom wing done and installed on the fuselage and finished the top wing sans ailerons! Next I'll work on the N-struts and then she'll look really, really nice...I hope!
Cheers,
Dan
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Sorry to inundate with updates...but I got one N-strut done and it wasn't as bad/hard to bend the wire as I thought it would be! On to the next one... ;D
Dan
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Dan,
This is shaping up to be another great one. What could
you be planning next? I can’t wait to see!
Kevin
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Your front fuselage fix looks much improved. The wings look awesome. I am Loving this one!
RAGIII
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Thank you Rick and Kevin!
I'm thinking a Pfalz will be up next... :D
I got the N-struts glued in as well as the top wing. It's all straight and true and looks like a rakish D-VII now. I like it.
There may be some issues with the location of the cabane struts so I'm going to take that easy and fit them one at a time. The connections as modeled on the underside of the top wing may need a bit of shifting. We'll see.
The hard part is done, though, and the wings look great!
Tally-ho...Dan
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Great job!
Now that I have looked at your changes, I am no longer afraid to face the construction of the Fokker DVII.
I read that you want to make a Pfalz, if you want I can send you this DIIIa Jasta 40s (pilot Werner Hertel)
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/de68/f82w1f008uxpsjozg.jpg)
regards,
matt77
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Dan, the wings look wonderful! Did thd top wing have a rib and spar structure similar to the bottom wings? It's amazing how quickly the wings come together on these kits.
I really like the appearance of the lozenge fabric on this repaint. She really looks like a complete D.VII now! Very well done. Looking forward to the finale, and to a Pfalz D.III in your future, with all those compound curves in the fuselage! :o ;D
Best,
Bob
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Thanks you guys...
Marco! You sent that one along with the current Fokker so I am super excited to start it next! Can't wait. These are such fun to make...
Thank you again!!! :D :D :D
Dan
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With the upper wing on it certainly does look like a "Rakish" DVII! I am really Loving this one. You make Me wish I had purchased One More WNW DVII! Since I didn't I may actually look at doing this one in ..... 1/72nd scale someday!
RAGIII
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Thanks, Rick. I hope it continues to look good. ;)
I got my cabanes installed! Believe it or not, they are gently sanded and sort of stream lined pieces of pasta primed and painted yellow. I've used pasta types on many of my flying models for exhausts. Elbow macaroni is great stuff! I've never had a problem with them going "al dente" and I trust the same will be true for my D-VII. They are just about the perfect dimension and ready made (almost)! All the strength and load are on those N-struts with the internal wire.
On to the landing gear tomorrow.
Have a good week...Dan
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Did you use the beaten egg to paint the spaghetti?
::) marco
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Just getting caught up on your lastest progress with the Fokker , that nose job turned out perfect ! Wings also are awesome , well done so far Dan 8)
Terri
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Dan, we must know . . . linguine, vermicelli or spaghetti? What a great "outside-the-box" solution! Does the tacky craft glue work with pasta, or is CA superior? (I guess the craft glue is water-based, so that might not be best for the al dente potential).
This build looks just marvelous. A very sharp D.VII. Well done! ;D
Best regards,
Bob
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Ha, ha! Egg with a bit of Tamyia acrylic! ;D
Spaghetti of course! It is delicate but sands quite well. A little harder than balsa and strong enough since this is really visual. The wings are already very sturdy. I couldn't use pasta for Marco's booms on this pusher! There are different types of pasta so they could definitely be used for other parts!
I actually used the tacky glue (so far I usually leave an unsightly gloss on my models where the super glue dries) as the pasta was primed and painted and the glue dries so fast, I don't think it has a chance to react. We'll see if my struts become all curvy in the humidity that is the Pacific NW. I'll keep you updated.
Cheers and thanks for looking,
Dan
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She's close now! Landing gear on, wheels, tail skid, prop...really needs ailerons, some aileron control cables and some little details like foot and hand-holds, windscreen etc.
Dang...looks like a real D-VII now. The color scheme is very fetching, I must say!
Dan
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Yup. That's a D.VII alright! Dan, this looks really cool. I agree that this scheme is very pleasing, and I really like Marco's rendering of the lozenge fabric and colors. Looks great! Very well done. ;D
I love how you move through these paper kits swiftly but without undo haste. Looking forward to the Pfalz D.III! ;)
Best,
Bob
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Outstanding results Dan. I Love the scheme and you have pulled this one together Beautifully!
RAGIII
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Amazed!