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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => WW1 Aircraft Information/Questions => Topic started by: ebergerud on April 14, 2020, 04:53:45 PM
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Very keen on the idea of doing a Fokker DVII. But with all apologies to the Kaiser's air arm, I find lozenge camo more than a bit much under any circumstances. I'm sure not going to paint a scheme, and dread the idea of using a decal to cover wings. So, question is are there any recommendations for a more or less historically accurate DVII without the lozenge camo? I know WNW has a white Herman Goering plane, but that wouldn't actually be my first pick (if nothing else I've got a Pfalz that's going to get an off-white finish). I've seen Eduard's kit with markings for the short lived Bolshie Republic of Hungary. I've seen one pic online of an early Roden that sports a kind of mottled or perhaps striped linen. Any leads appreciated.
Eric
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Hi ebergerud!
First Fokker D.VII had streaking camo as per Dr.I instead of lozenge: http://www.aerofile.info/wordpress/?page_id=30 (here a photo)
I think you must going out of the German use of the D.VII. Finland, Nederland, Romania, Hungary (as you noted) and Russia had examples without lozenge camo.
Take care about that Hungarian and Rumanian planes had Austrohungarian engines.
On German planes, also if they are covered with flamboyant schemes, most of them retain lozenge camo on undersides.
Some years ago I built a skis equipped Finnish D.VII with a sort of splinter camo, it was really amazing.
Hope useful!
Roberto
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Josef Jacobs flew an all black Fokker D. VII with a colorful devil‘s head insignia on the flanks. No Tarnstoff visible.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/LRry0BsWcBmUz74MfdQLCTmMt_DMhDDUHpOUe8P96fIpl2UdRcQVE6fvcvQJQuw2SksD0WcVYcfaRbWpteKvReumxbuVoQw_T-BDBcqZY0K37RRYdl5u_rvLvaEFrHBAA65ai8PehRK-blaE)
Please don’t ask me about the photohistoric documentation of this machine, but I am sure here are some Jacobs specialists around.
Best regards,
Andreas
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My suggestion is Fokker DVII Leutnant von Büren, Jasta 18 (red and white colors, no lozenge)
Jörg
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Andreas, your picture link creates a "Forbidden!" error.
The actual Limited Edition kit of Udet's aircrafts by Eduard comes in my mind, the upper wing is red/white, the fuselage red. So this one has "only" the small lower wing (without ailerons!) lozenge covered. You don't need to fear Aviattic decals, they looks great!
Cheers,
Frank
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What Jorg said
I did a 36" span D.VII, a scale for which there is no commercial lozenge available, in von Buren's colors because it was the only Jasta 18 plane that had all the loz painted over.
sp
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Jump over to Large Scale Planes and look in the Ready for Inspection section. There is a very nice Finnish D7 in a really cool splinter pattern. Regards, Pete in RI
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Thanks much for the tips - now that I've finally figured out the "notify" button on this forum, I'll be able to read them sooner.
Here's what's in Wikipedia - with no citation natch:
"All D.VIIs were produced with either the five-color Fünffarbiger or less often, the four-color Vierfarbiger lozenge camouflage covering, except for early Fokker-produced D.VIIs, which had a streaked green fuselage. Factory camouflage finishes were often overpainted with colorful paint schemes or insignia for the Jasta or for a pilot."
That streaked olive/green (at least to my eyes) camo I find very neat indeed and would be a real challenge. (So would an overpaint if I had a good photo for inspiration.)
I think modelers have two basic outlooks. In my junior high all the guys spent half a year in shop (wood & metal) and half a year in art. In modeling the shop gents are meticulous, appreciate technical accuracy, are very clever in the build and like stuff like PE. The art gents look for an excuse to break out the paints and ponder issues like streaking an entire airplane. I'm in the art group. (Lots of guys liked both shop and art of course, but there were always preferences. A couple of guys in 1962-63 were smart enough to get into Home Economics instead of shop, figuring that cooking would be more useful than lathe work. The good old days.)
Anyway a DVII now tops the "to buy" list. Right now I'm staring at a Special Hobby 1/32 Morane Saulnier N. That's a short run model with resin and PE. (Gulp) That's not a kit for a Tamiya fanboy like me. But I bought it because it has a megaton of what we used to call "funk appeal" that screams "build me." Hope I remember something from shop.
Eric