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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: RLWP on December 17, 2019, 08:48:00 AM
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Most of my 'current' projects are at the rigging stage, and I'm waiting for some drills
And I'm missing cutting plastic, so....
I'm building a Roden SPAD V.II to represent this aeroplane:
(http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/Photos_As_et_Personnel/Georges_Guynemer/Depart_SPAD_S115_GT.jpg)
As found here: http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/escadrille003_02.htm (http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/escadrille003_02.htm)
Somewhere I found another image of 155 without the stork. I particularly like the Tricolore across the fuselage
I'm going to present it like this aeroplane of Esc 102:
(http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/Photos3/102_Spad_Corbeaulieu_GT.jpg) from the same excellent website
So, to that end:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0288.JPG)
I cut the front off the fuselage.
I'm using some of the PART etch kit:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0289.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0290.JPG)
and using some of it to make new parts:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0291.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0292.JPG)
The etch isn't always correct though. Check the upright on the etch compared to the cabane strut notch:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0293.JPG)
They should be in line
I have also faked up the longeron:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0294.JPG)
And smartened up the empty belt spool:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0320.JPG)
Richard
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Hah! Helps if you search for the right number
(http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/Photos/003_Guynemer_depart_mis.jpg)
although apparently this is taken at the same time:
(http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/Photos/003_Gaston_Verdier.jpg)
So it looks like it had the stork only on the port side
Richard
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Wow, you certainly have a lot if Irons in the fire right now! As for the Stork that is an interesting discovery. One thinks that it would soon have been on both sides but Modeling a Moment in History is very cool! Nice work as always to date!
RAGIII
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Mein Gut Gott !
How many do you have on the go ! :o Either way looking forward to tagging along .
Terri , who's going to need more Pepsi ;)
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Mein Gut Gott !
How many do you have on the go !
Long answer: A pup, a Roland C.II, a Cirrus Moth and this SPAD. Oh, and a Hobbycraft Camel
The Pup is waiting for rigging, as is the Roland. The moth is giving me a headache as I can't work out how to make the windscreens so it can wait. And the Camel is firmly in it's box on the shelf until I decide if I build it or scrap it (like it's Academy sister)
I'm in need of cutting and sticking, so the SPAD has started
The DH.2 managed to leapfrog all that lot, maybe this will too
Richard
Short answer: too many ;D
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Another exciting build to follow. Never a dull moment. ;D
Robin
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Nice detailing work with the PE, Richard.
Any idea who the pilot was?
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Nice detailing work with the PE, Richard.
Any idea who the pilot was?
The Esc.102 one? No, unfortunately
Richard
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Nice choice there Richard, and thank you for the web link, a great site. Got this one in the stash and have been collecting AM for it, gaspatch rig and gun, part pe, a nice Georges figure from spain ( look under the figures section, there is a very nicely done example), and Aviattic decals. Yours will be finished WAY before I start mine though lol. Regards, Pete in RI
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Nice choice there Richard, and thank you for the web link, a great site. Got this one in the stash and have been collecting AM for it, gaspatch rig and gun, part pe, a nice Georges figure from spain ( look under the figures section, there is a very nicely done example), and Aviattic decals. Yours will be finished WAY before I start mine though lol. Regards, Pete in RI
I got this from Ebay as a package: The kit, the PART etch kit, the Eduard etch with coloured bits and a French pilot. I'd have bought one of the etches anyway, probably the PART one, so it was all a bit of a bargain. Especially if I sell the pilot
I think I have a Gaspatch Colt-Vickers left over from my Nieuport XVII
Richard
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Sounds like a nice score! Well done. It is Mentaldental who did the figure.
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Some silly stuff:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0376.JPG)
On the left, top is the PART cockpit surround, bottom is the Roden part. The top one is lovely, it doesn't include the reinforcing brackets ahead of the dashboard. The bottom one is thicker but does. Hmmm
On the right, some firewall madness
Richard
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Hi Richard,
If you haven't visited the following site, it's well worth it.
Covers the French units in detail with history, aircraft and pilots (in French though).
Just click on the squad number on the grid,
Mike
http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/page_escadrilles_1_a_500.htm (http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/page_escadrilles_1_a_500.htm)
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Thanks Mike. I really like that site, it is a mine of information. I used it for my Nieuport 17 build as well as this SPAD
The empty belt drum is in
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0379.JPG)
I've probably rigged at least one bay more than rally necessary here
And I'm going with the PART cockpit surround:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0381.JPG)
Richard
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Really looking great Richard. I have 2 of these in the stash so I am following closely!
RAGIII
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Progressing nicely Richard :)
Terri
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(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0382.JPG)
Bits and bobs of photo etch. Most is PART Poland, the seat is Eduard
That ventilated chin is a massive gift for this project as it can just be seen from above with the panels off. So an etch is the perfect solution
Richard
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That PE is the bee's knees. Judging from the size of the belt reel, they planned to do a lot of shooting.
Continuing to follow this, Richard.
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That PE is the bee's knees. Judging from the size of the belt reel, they planned to do a lot of shooting.
Continuing to follow this, Richard.
Ahh, but there are not many turns on the fusee, so the drum wouldn't have turned many times. I think it was intended that the pilot could take up the slack belt manually if the bungee broke by pulling on the drum
A puzzle. This useful drawing:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dFhBXpcsau8/VZCLk1-3iGI/AAAAAAAARuU/-S82QDGCgek/s848/gun%252520drawing%252520x%2525202.jpg)
in this post:
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=5878.0 (https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=5878.0)
shows the slot in the bottom of the case of the Vickers, which is what I was expecting to find.
The empty belt goes out the side. When using disintegrating links, the empty links went out the side and usually down a chute. Where did the empty cases go on a SPAD VII?
Richard
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Yes, the drum collected the empty belt as you stated. The exit of the spent shells depended on what version. I will check My SPAD VII bible for more info ;D
RAGIII
PS: Later SPAD VIIs did not have the drum for collecting the belt.
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Yes, the drum collected the empty belt as you stated. The exit of the spent shells depended on what version. I will check My SPAD VII bible for more info ;D
RAGIII
PS: Later SPAD VIIs did not have the drum for collecting the belt.
True, the later SPADs had disintegrating links and an ammunition box. Spent cartridges left via a chute. Botht he box and chute are in the kit, although not mentioned in my instructions
Richard
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Some progress:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0403.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0404.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0405.JPG)
Lots of fiddling around with tiny pieces
Richard
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Awesome progress Richard. Really looks great!
RAGIII
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Certainly does,coming together very nicely.
Dave.
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So far this is shaping up wonderful Richard :)
Terri
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I seem to have been going backwards and forwards with the cockpit combing, instrument panel and firewall for ages. Finally, I have two of them fixed in place!
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0411.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0412.JPG)
The sun is shining across my workbench this morning. It makes photography difficult, it does make for some interesting effects!
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0419.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0421.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0423.JPG)
Richard
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Really cool IP, with the instrument backs on it. Any idea what the vent on the left side is for? air conditioning? ;D
Very nice overall detail on this build, Richard.
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The IP is spectacular Richard. Overall your SPAD is looking Brilliant!
RAGIII
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And what's not to like with the PE cockpit rigging, Richard? Looks perfectly excellent....as the kids say; good to know. I'd wager you're enjoying this build plenty....I sure am.
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Really cool IP, with the instrument backs on it. Any idea what the vent on the left side is for? air conditioning? ;D
Very nice overall detail on this build, Richard.
It is the opening for the empty cartridge belt. The belt feeds out of the left side of the Vickers, around a spool thing, through the panel, into a rectangliar duct and onto the big reel
I have most of that run to sort out yet
No air conditioning. No ashtrays either
Richard
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Something like this:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0426.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0427.JPG)
Incidentally, I made the instrument panel from scratch. The photoetch is for a 'plane with an ammunition box, like Baraccas
Richard
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Wow Richard , she is really starting to come together now . Lovely details on that instrument panel . Are those Airscale instrument faces ? They are very clear and can actually read ( with my glasses ) . I also wonder how the belt system worked , lots folks talk about it but no skidmatics on what it look liked . thank-you for posting your take on this , clears up a lot stuff ...now if you had something for my sinus ..
Terri
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Wow Richard , she is really starting to come together now . Lovely details on that instrument panel . Are those Airscale instrument faces ? They are very clear and can actually read ( with my glasses ) . I also wonder how the belt system worked , lots folks talk about it but no skidmatics on what it look liked . thank-you for posting your take on this , clears up a lot stuff ...now if you had something for my sinus ..
Terri
Yes, they are Airscale, although I don't guarantee they are the correct faces for the instruments. They are about the right size and have the needles covering the correct range... The bezels are Airscale too
The belt run is shown nicely in Harry Woodmans armament book, and various photos in Tomasz Gronczewski's book.
Richard
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Damned, heavy pawed cat!!!
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0724.JPG)
Richard
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Wow, just caught up with this thread (it's from long before my time here) and I love what I'm seeing here. Great interior, especially like the scratch built instrument panel.
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Dang Richard, I hope you can recover from that! This build is spectacular! My own SPAD VII was resurrected twice and got as far as the rigging being almost complete. I knocked it off of My display case with the Wing of a WNW Salmson for it's final demise. Hope you have better luck with yours!
RAGIII
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I have glued brass pegs into the fuselage, they should be OK into the wing root
This is my own fault, I cut out a section between the wing spars to make the model more realistic, that part is important in the kit in supporting the wings
Not that a ginger cat on the way to bed helped
Richard
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Wing is back on:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0725.JPG)
The firewall is fixed in now as well.
I have found picking this build back up rather an odd experience. I know all those bits of copper wire are meant to represent something, I can't remember what! It has been liberating to get out of the small details and back to working on the bigger picture
I must make another trestle
Richard
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Nice recovery Richard! Looking great!
RAGIII
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I made two new trestles
The SPAD got her fuselage closed up and sprouted a fin and elevators:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0735.JPG)
Not a great picture
I have realised I really need to get the fuselage painted before finishing the front, otherwise I'll have a masking nightmare
Richard
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Starting to look very SPADish, Richard. Too bad most of that interior detail will not be easily seen.
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Awesome Richard! You are making me think about doing one of mine next...along with a Nieuport 23 8)
RAGIII
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Starting to look very SPADish, Richard. Too bad most of that interior detail will not be easily seen.
Don't forget, I'm aiming to finish the aeroplane like this:
(http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/Photos3/102_Spad_Corbeaulieu_GT.jpg)
The panel behind the pilot's head is also removed showing a bit more
Richard
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SPAD VII is changing colour:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0738.JPG)
Richard
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I Like the base color. Looking forward to more!
RAGIII
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I'm sure I had a SPAD VII around here somewhere
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0742.JPG)
I have started to mask off the Tricolore beginning with the blue
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0744.JPG)
Richard
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This one should really look awesome when done Richard!
RAGIII
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This one should really look awesome when done Richard!
RAGIII
You'll have spotted the blue of the Tricolore is the same as the blue in the centre of the cockades on the SPAD XIII
I can't manage to include it on the Spitfire MK.IIc I'm building unfortunately
Richard
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I see much masking in your future , looking forward on seeing how this turns out Richard :)
Terri
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Love the interior, Richard! I'll be interested to see when the mummy is unwrapped.
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Love the interior, Richard! I'll be interested to see when the mummy is unwrapped.
Well............
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0771.JPG)
A bit of a mixed result
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0772.JPG)
I had to paint the blue twice, first time the masking took all of it off. I think I have had this before with the Tamiya primer - it doesn't give much key to the paint. I roughened it before repainting the blue again.
Richard
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I have never tried using Tamiya primer , is this a lacquer base for acrylic ?
Terri
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Too bad about the lifting of the paint on the stripe Richard. I know you will recover fully!
RAGIII
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That is a bummer about the stripe. I hate it when paint and tape take a mind of their own. You think it all out, you work carefully to execute the plan and the paint and tape, often aided and abetted by the airbrush, say, "That ain't our plan" and make a mess. You will fix it and every time you look at it, smile to your self and say, "Nope, it was MY plan".
sp
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I have never tried using Tamiya primer , is this a lacquer base for acrylic ?
Terri
Acrylic - I think
Thanks all - I've already fought back and conquered the blue previously. I'm going to let the paint harden a few days then get on with sorting it out
Richard
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Tamiya primer (white) is a lacquer. It's my go to primer. Technically, its an acrylic lacquer, but for all practical purposes a lacquer.
More than once, I've pulled up the masking too soon and pulled up the paint.
This will look really nice when completed, Richard. Soldier on.
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More than once, I've pulled up the masking too soon and pulled up the paint.
This will look really nice when completed, Richard. Soldier on.
This seems to be the other way around. The red had about four days to cure, the blue has been more successful as I removed the masking a few hours after spraying
Richard
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Looking good so far:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0779.JPG)
Richard
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Looks pretty perfect from the photo, nice even bands. I always struggle to get that kind of thing right. In fact I've never got it right so I am very im9ressed!
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Looks pretty perfect from the photo, nice even bands. I always struggle to get that kind of thing right. In fact I've never got it right so I am very im9ressed!
They usually go wrong for me too. First success was this, I think:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/glamorous-glen-ii/GGII-1.JPG)
Oooh, I'd forgotten that the Revell P51 came with wing ordnance. I'm looking for parts to make a 1/32 4lb RAF smoke marker - I must raid my bits box
Richard
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Ouch! That hurts. Hopefully the end results can make you feel that it was worth it anyway. Struggle on!
/Fredrik
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Well, here we go again:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0783.JPG)
Richard
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Good Luck on the roundels Richard I Hope things go More Smoothly this time!
RAGIII
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Much more successful:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0786.JPG)
I have stopped treating my airgun like a spray can and started regulating the paint flow. And spraying down the centre of each marking to avoid building up paint along the edge of the masking
Richard
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The latest version of the markings look Terrific Richard. I think you are getting it down pat with the airbrush!
RAGIII
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The latest version of the markings look Terrific Richard. I think you are getting it down pat with the airbrush!
RAGIII
It was silly really. I have a nice dual action airbrush, I was just stabbing at the button and getting a big flow of paint. I have been training myself to push down to get the air, then pulling back gently to control the paint
It is really noticeable how much less paint I am getting onto the surrounding masking. A new skill to learn I guess
Richard
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They look great Richard, I've been experimenting spraying roundels on plastic card and found that what you are doing is the best way. I've been trying to apply 2 very light mist coats first (after getting advice) which I let dry before giving a final coat. The first coats help prevent paint bleeding under the masks. Seems to work.
Richie
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They look great Richard, I've been experimenting spraying roundels on plastic card and found that what you are doing is the best way. I've been trying to apply 2 very light mist coats first (after getting advice) which I let dry before giving a final coat. The first coats help prevent paint bleeding under the masks. Seems to work.
Richie
Yes, I was shown that misting first technique when spraying a car. It seems to seal the edge of the masking
By 'dry', I let that coat evaporate the solvent before continuing, not completely harden - is that what you are doing?
Richard
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Yes Richard, I just give it a jet of air from the airbrush to help the solvent evaporate. I had so many problems with paint seeping under masks before Rick (RAG III) suggested this.
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Yes Richard, I just give it a jet of air from the airbrush to help the solvent evaporate. I had so many problems with paint seeping under masks before Rick (RAG III) suggested this.
Another little trick for eliminating seeping paint is to spray the underlying color first. So if you are applying a mask over white, spray white after applying the mask, then the next color. That way if anything goes through under the mask it is the base color and seals the mask . "Old Painters Trick"
RAGIII
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Thank you, Old Painter
My chosen SPAD VII carries Guynemer's usual markings:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0790.JPG)
The Roden decals just about held up for this
Richard
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That looks really nice from here. Glad to read that you are learning to control the spray gun - I could never seem to get the hang of one of those things. I think that they are just too complicated for my elementary skill set.
Stephen
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Lovely markings Richard. Did you use the kit Decals? I never had much Luck with Roden decals. Really Hot water does seem to help a bit!
RAGIII
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Lovely markings Richard. Did you use the kit Decals? I never had much Luck with Roden decals. Really Hot water does seem to help a bit!
RAGIII
Yes, and I used hot water, then followed up with floor polish as some of the decals had lost their adhesive
I'm not 100% happy with them, the 'Vieux Charles' is too small and out of register. However that isn't likely to be the focus of attention on this model so it will do
In other news, the other wing fell off, so I pinned it back on
Richard
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Lovely markings Richard. Did you use the kit Decals? I never had much Luck with Roden decals. Really Hot water does seem to help a bit!
RAGIII
Yes, and I used hot water, then followed up with floor polish as some of the decals had lost their adhesive
I'm not 100% happy with them, the 'Vieux Charles' is too small and out of register. However that isn't likely to be the focus of attention on this model so it will do
In other news, the other wing fell off, so I pinned it back on
Richard
Well at least they didn't break into Pieces ;D Damn, I hope this is the LAST time you need to re-attach a Wing!
RAGIII
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Yes, I forgot to mention they broke up
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Too bad about the wings... but good news on the painted markings! You seem to be on the right track there, even if I don't think it's about sealing the mask, but rather about not pushing a lot of runny paint towards the edges.
Not too much left now (?)...
/Fredrik
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Back to fiddly bits. I have dressed up the engine with the outside spark plugs and plug leads. I have also piped up the water pump. Of course, you can hardly see those bits
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0792.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0791.JPG)
You learn things modelling this way, I couldn't work out why the full sized firewall had a pair of diagonal cut outs in it
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/spad-vii-155-guynemer/DSCF0793.JPG)
They clear the drive shaft tubes for the camshaft. I had to file them out in situ to allow the engine to sit far enough back
Next step will be to install the engine
Richard
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Nice job on the details Richard
Terri
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It's starting to look like the engine compartment of my car (but I don't have a Hispano engine in it).
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It's starting to look like the engine compartment of my car (but I don't have a Hispano engine in it).
It looks nothing like the engine bays in any of our cars! The 1972 MG has loads of space around the engine, the SAAB and Peugeot are all hidden under black plastic covers
Richard
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If those cylinder banks were flattened out to 180 degrees, it would be my Subaru.
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Excellent work on the engine and nice fix on the firewall! Your SPAD is really moving along now!
RAGIII
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It's starting to look like the engine compartment of my car (but I don't have a Hispano engine in it).
It looks nothing like the engine bays in any of our cars! The 1972 MG has loads of space around the engine, the SAAB and Peugeot are all hidden under black plastic covers
Richard
Did I hear the magic words 1972 MG?
Best car I ever had! :)
Good work there Richard, engine looks all the better for adding details. Doesn't matter if they won't be seen, I reckon you had fun making them.
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It reads as though this model is turning into a major saga.Wings falling off, transfers causing problems, and now the engine compartment playing games with you. I think that you could claim that this is a conversion rather than a build! The engine looks good though - what a shame that you are going to cover it all up.
Stephen.
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It reads as though this model is turning into a major saga.Wings falling off, transfers causing problems, and now the engine compartment playing games with you. I think that you could claim that this is a conversion rather than a build! The engine looks good though - what a shame that you are going to cover it all up.
Stephen.
Not all of it, in fact very little Stephen. I'm planning to present the aeroplane like this:
(http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/Photos3/102_Spad_Corbeaulieu_GT.jpg)
Richard