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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: lcarroll on November 17, 2012, 04:12:41 AM
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My project for the "Two Seater" Group Build is the Wingnut Wings Bristol F2b Fighter as "A-7288" flown by Canadian Ace Captain Andrew McKeever with Observer/Gunner 2/Lt.Leslie Powell from Fere-en-Tardenois France with No. 11 Squadron in November of 1917.
"Andy" McKeever was the highest scoring ace on Brisfits with 31 confirmed kills, all but 2 single seat Albatros fighters. Leslie Powell was credited with 19 aircraft destroyed making him a multiple ace in his own right.
References for the Build include the excellent Albatros Publications Bristol F2b Data File Special Vol. 1, Osprey's Bristol F2 Aces, Squadron/Signals Bristol Fighter in Action, and Ray Rimmel's build article in Windsock Worldwide Mar/April 2009. I'm also poring over Des's build of this Kit for inspiration.
A bag full of After Market goodies will be used where appropriate including products from HGW (Seat Belts), Copper State and Tom's Modelworks, Eduard, Aero Club, and Airscale with some sheet brass and "Strutz" Streamlined Brass Wire if required. I've got Pheon's Bristol F2b Fighter Aces in France Decal Sheet for the markings, Thanks Rowan, magnificent product as usual.
By all reports this Kit is one of WNW's best and I'm looking forward to the build. The pressure is "on" as several other members here are doing the same aircraft. Competition motivates excellence they say; hopefully I can keep up with the "Masters"!
Progress presently is limited to researching via the references the many "AMS" driven additions I'm considering. I plan to go with at least the upper cowlings removed which will no doubt deem the engine a project unto itself. Bad desease that AMS!
The standard start-up photos will follow later today, still trying to muster the courage to attack the wicker seat per Gary's (Trackpad) excellent results as the first actual step in the project.
Cheers,
Lance :-\ ;)
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Lance,
I'm looking forward to seeing the first progress shortly my old friend. No doubt we're all in for one awesome build thread.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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I'm looking forward to seeing your build of this kit Lance, as I have said many times before, I regard this kit as Wingnut's best. There is plenty of room for super detailing if you so desire but built OOB still results in a brilliant model. The engine is a model in it's own right, it is superb and the fuselage interior details are amazing. Hope you really enjoy building this kit Lance, I'm sure you are going to end up with a show stopper model.
Des.
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Here's the standard opening shot, the Kit in all it's beauty....................
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1797.jpg)
The References I have on hand; I'll also be using info on this site and others to gather details.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1795.jpg)
Some of the After Market bits I've gathered up for this build, mostly from my stash/stock.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1800.jpg)
And last the Pheon Decal Sheet, can't wait for this stage (3-4 months?!?)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1801.jpg)
...................and He's off to a crawling start!
Updates to follow once there's some reasonable progress............ ::)
Cheers,
Lance
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Greg & Des,
Thanks for the encouraging remarks. Between your words and 3 or 4 fellow members' efforts on the same Build the bar has been placed pretty high............should be a real "barn burner" of an experience!
Cheers,
Lance :)
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Hello, Lance!
Well, you've certainly got an arsenal of ammunition for your build, and I wish you all the best of good luck with it! Looking at your photo of aftermarket items, I may have a few of them around here somewhere: must do a search and rescue mission! I look forward to learning a few hints and tips from your build ( and that of Chris as well, when he starts) and I'll be glad to help you and Chris as and when the opportunity arises.
Again, Good Luck, my friend! ;D
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And all the same thoughts and offers to you as well Gary. Between this and the looming Sopwith Tripe we are well on our way to commemoratiing some great Canadian Heros. Not enough of that done IMHO although I was touched by the excellent gestures I observed in the workplace when I worked Sunday 11th. Great "beer story" for next Summer I hope.
Break a leg on your Brisfit and I'll be here to grab whatever I can from you!
Cheers,
Lance
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With all of the detail sets and references you've accumulated Lance, I'm looking forward to watching your progress. You and Gary will do McKeever proud with your builds. Of that I'm sure. As for me, my lone reference consists of the Squadron title. You never should've let me see the refs you have on hand! Just kidding, as my build will be basically OOB. I'm doing some soul searching right now about the pluses and minuses pertaining to super detailing. However I end up doing my Biff, I'm firmly in it for the fun and camaraderie.
Cheers,
Chris
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I'm doing some soul searching right now about the pluses and minuses pertaining to super detailing. However I end up doing my Biff, I'm firmly in it for the fun and camaraderie.
Cheers,
Chris
Chris,
I've gone through that as well. I've come to the conclusion that I want to build "comfortably," and that means that I'll do what I can, within the limits of my abilities, to produce a pretty good model. I know that I'll never attain the level of, say, Des: that guy is a durn wonder. But I'll enjoy my builds, do the best I can, and also enjoy the cameraderie of this forum.
Someone slap me up the side of my head: getting too philosophical! Bring on the styrene! ;) ;D
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Gary/Chris,
You both had me fooled.........for Guys who produce your quality I believe the fun and cameraderie are not the only effects. I agree, when it ceases to be fun, were done! We all succumb to some degree of AMS; my personal rule is it is and must be for fun, and when the fun goes away it's time for a break and some introspection.
So........as you say Gary, back to the styrene :) ;) 8)
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I'll be following this build with a lot of interest Lance.
It will be fascinating watching all that aftermarket material get utilised!!
Andrew
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I too collect up stacks of A/M for builds but then "freeze" because I want to "keep it for good" Hope you enjoy the build as much as I will watching.
Steve
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G'day, Lance.
I'm looking forward to seeing your work, mate. You're a better modeller than you'll admit to being.
Dal.
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I'm making some progress but not even close to the Photo stage. Got hung up on the seat; after an afternoon of sanding per Trackpad's technique I failed, the wicker cross-piece portion half way up simply dropped out..............too thin methinks!? I've salvaged it with some PE mesh I had in the spares box and I'm happy with the repair.
After a lot of "what-if-ing" I shaved the instrument panel flush and plan to add AM bezels etc once the woodgrain is on. No going back but I was happy with the results on my SE5a so this alone should keep me busy for more then just a few days..... :-\
So far so good and a really nice Kit.
Cheers,
Lance
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Hey, Lance,
Sorry to hear that you had that problem with the seat, but it sounds as if you've come through with a very good repair. I went with the kit instrument panel and decals, so I'll be interested to see how your approach to the IP works out. Good luck with the rest of your build! ;)
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Hey, Lance,
Sorry to hear that you had that problem with the seat, but it sounds as if you've come through with a very good repair. I went with the kit instrument panel and decals, so I'll be interested to see how your approach to the IP works out. Good luck with the rest of your build! ;)
Thanks Gary, if there's a harder way to do it I'll always find it. I just wasn't confident with painting the bezels in situ so as I said there's no going back now (he said with a quiver in his voice)
Cheers,
Lance
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I'm making some progress but not even close to the Photo stage. Got hung up on the seat; after an afternoon of sanding per Trackpad's technique I failed, the wicker cross-piece portion half way up simply dropped out..............too thin methinks!? I've salvaged it with some PE mesh I had in the spares box and I'm happy with the repair.
After a lot of "what-if-ing" I shaved the instrument panel flush and plan to add AM bezels etc once the woodgrain is on. No going back but I was happy with the results on my SE5a so this alone should keep me busy for more then just a few days..... :-\
So far so good and a really nice Kit.
Cheers,
Lance
Looking forward to seeing images of your wicker seat Lance. I've had my belt sander standing by for when I try my hand at it, but after reading about your experience, maybe I'll settle for sandpaper instead.
Cheers,
Chris
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Hi Lance:
I too am looking forward to this build. Like you and Trackpad, I build to my ability. I enjoy the build but don't get too wrapped around the axle on AM stuff and AMS. I do like to put some extra detail in but that's it. I like your approach and will be watching with interest how you proceed with this kit. I have it as well, as well as almost every WNW kit, hope SWMBO isn't reading this, and enjoy your builds and comment. I agree, there are a lot of Canadians that don't get the attention the other allies get. Being a border state, well Minnesota is a border state anyway, and having been to Canada several times, I have always felt a kindred spirit with the neighbors to the north.
Looking forward to this build.
Best
Mark
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Thanks for the kind words Mark. I'm kind of "stalled" presently, Son and Grandson visiting for a 4 day weekend while we do the annual 3 Generational Whitetail Hunt. Lot's of fun and great memories but does put the Build on hold for sure. I truly appreciate your comments re: Canadian Heros, my comment was based on the fact that, unlike most Nations, we don't do a good job at promoting our own. Guess we really are a fairly modest lot.
Back to the build the temporary interuption is good in a way; I've stripped the floor and I believe I'll do the same with the side frames, just not totally happy with the woodgrain results. Wouldn't have done so without the break and time to think about it. Oh well, off at my normal sloooow pace!
Cheers,
Lance
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I'm looking forward to you getting back to the build, Lance. I'm enjoying watching the celebration of Canadian aviators that you, Chris, and Gary are putting on for us.
Good luck with the hunt. I missed out on this year's trip for pheasant and partridge. Too bad, because it's fun to be able to literally "hunt Huns"! My dog still isn't talking to me.
LT
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I've made a bit of progress but no photos to prove it. Real life does truly trash leisure time plans and ambitions. Now it's painting/repairing my Daughter's Condo (in prep for new tenants) paired with a no-notice request for my talents in the workplace at "0h-Dark-30" tomorrow morning.
The cockpit is coming together now, have the instrument panel done and only a few loose ends to add to the side frames. The floor, seats, control sticks etc are done as well, just need to get the flight control wires, a little work on the extra Lewis Magazines, and a bit more plumbing in place and it'll be assembled and photographed.
Thanks all for your patience, I know mine is running a little thin! Hopefully an update with photos before next weekend.
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance,
Sounds like you're one busy man. At any rate I'll be on the lookout for the latest photos my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Hi, Lance,
It's not a race, so take your time. My cockpit is just about ready to be fitted into the fuselage, but that's about as far as I've got this week. Might get it in today, but we'll see. Sois calme, mon vieux! You and I will inch across the GB finish line with...maybe... five or six whole minutes to spare! ;D
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I second what Gary has written Lance. I'm still hung up with my LVG C.VI so I haven't even started my Biff. Take your time while painting the condo as that's always an enjoyable job. :o
I'll be thinking about you at cold oh-dark-30 tomorrow as I contemplate rolling out . . . or rolling over . . . ;D
Cheers,
Chris
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No worries Lance:
I had to put time in at the Water Works yesterday, 01 Dec, and got home too bleary eyed to do anything but waste an evening watching Mad Men on DVD.s.
Looking forward to the photo op when it takes place.
Best
Mark
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Having completed the cockpit module yesterday I'm finally ready to post an update. I might add that I've just spent several hours wrestling with Photobucket and have mastered the changed procedure for loading photos here. I'll keep this one brief to ensure all is working properly and then provide a few more posts.
The Instrument Panel was the first component completed. The panel was sanded flush, given a woodgrain finish of enamel base, acrylic woodgrain, and a top coat of Tamiya Clear Orange. Instrument bases were made from sheet styrene using a Waldron Punch and Dye Set, instrument faces added from Airscale Decals and Kit Decals, Aeroclub Bezels added, and the faces given a drop of Future to provide the glassed look. I also added a placard and an extra dial to replicate the appearance of the Hendon F2b and several photos of the wartime version. You'll note the placard has a few tail numbers as it was scavenged from a previous Build's left overs, I felt some lettering was important and my story is the numbers relate to a "code of the day" in the event of coming down over the lines. (works for me!)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1820.jpg)
Next in line was the pilot's wicker seat. As mentioned on Trackpads Build Log I failed miserably at removing the back portion of the lattice center section of the seat back to "open up" that portion per the real thing. I eventually cut out the ruined section and worked in some old PE material from the spares pile, not my greatest modelling moment nor best results. I had to add a small insert in the center to support the PE and it's a little rough on close examination; probably not apparent once she's closed up but it bothers me knowing it's there!
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1805.jpg)
And a few more views taken later on posed on the floor/rear fuel tank assembly:
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I'll leave this post at this point, want to ensure the Photos are working OK.
Cheers,
Lance
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Update #2
The cockpit side frames were given the same (but lighter) woodgrain treatment as the panel and several additions done. In no particular order I added fuel lines, throttle etc rod linkages, a brass resevoir or accumulator with plumbing above the throttle quadrant, a double lever control(?) on the left upper longeron, a control and linkage above the radiator shutter contol upper right, and then the cross bracing wires (guitar wire and 1mm brass tubing from Bob's product) The Lewis drum magazines were given scratched leather (thin styrene) handles once painted with Mr Metal Color and hilighted by dry brushing with flat aluminum. Last, the aluminum sheet panel in the Gunner's cockpit, right side, and it's fairlead/gusset "thingy" for the tail incidence control wires was scratched and added. These are photos of the cross bracing install #1, there have been at least a dozen more since as I have become extremely proficient at knocking them off while working on adjacent components!
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This shot was taken before the addition of the brass resevoir above the throttle quadrant.
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Next (in the next few hours) pre-rigging of the Flight Controls, completion of the floor portion, and installing the let frame to the floor assembly after final cockpit additions.
Thanks for looking in.......
Cheers,
Lance
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Outstanding Lance!
It's all looking very good and I can see that you've put in a lot of time and effort into the office. With results like this, your time has been very well spent. Nice woodgrain effect all around, and especially on the instrument panel, and all of the extras will make the cockpit look properly busy.
Looking forward to seeing more!
Cheers,
Chris
P.S. After seeing this, I'm fully satisfied that there are actually two ringers in this mini GB of ours!
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Hello Lance:
At last a progress report on the Mckeever project. Well worth the wait, your instrument panel is the bees knees. I like the placard. Your logic works for me as well, adds a little interest in there. I have yet to try that sanding off the molded in bezels, but will give it a go at some point. Your interior framing is coming along nicely. Nice wood tones that will stand out against the fabric color. Obviously you were a pilot as a lot of what you covered I know nothing about, so........I will be watching with interest as you progress and comment. This a/c is high on the "to do next" list.
Best
Mark
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Thanks Chris and Mark. I'm going to speed up the next update, more photos, less talking! As for a "Ringer", Chris, I think not. If so a very very slow moving one for certain!
Cheers,
Lance ;)
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Update #3
With the completion of the side frames the floor, rear fuel tank, stick etc were completed. The control column was modified to the wartime style (no circular grip) and the control lever at the top left added. I'd love to have a cockpit "key" or diagram to determine or confirm the function of many of the "widgets". The flight control wires (2 lb. monofil) were pre-rigged to their cockpit locations only, painted Mr. Metalcolor Stainless, and taped out of harms way. Last, the errant blobs of Stainless were removed or overpainted on the frame components and then the left frame attached to the floor assembly. Also added at this stage was the Vickers Gun assembly and a scratch built Constaninesco Drive motor/trigger control with the leather cover taped to the shroud/gun brace. The left seat belts were installed as well (HGW fabric belts.) and a Gunners control stick added.
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I should mention that the German Shepherd Dog hairs evident throughout this thread have since been removed!
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I also added several fuel lines to/from the Fuel Control below the Instrument Panel, and the one running from there to the rear fuel tank.
With the left side now attached and some touch ups and repairs the right frame was added (everything fitting perfectly, great work by WNW) The rigging was routed to the back where a fairlead "board" was glued in, tensioned and CA'ed. The right seat belts were installed and last the canvas/linen storage bag was CA'ed to the rear frame members.
The end product follows, very busy and I'm amazed that such large men as William Barker and Andy McKeever could function in the close quarters of the cockpit.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1851.jpg)
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The Tamiya Tape is on the Aileron Cables still "floating" around. Also I over-tensioned the rudder control cables however the "Bow effect" isn't apparent when the package is in the closed fuselage thankfully.
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A few shots of the Gunner's "Pit";
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(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1854.jpg)
And last the back with the rigging attachment board;
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1858.jpg)
And that's where I presently am in this Build. It being the Christmas Season time will be short; I'm off to visit my Daughter and deliver gifts for the weekend, several stop-overs to greet Family and hand deliver gifts. Next, a little rough work on the wings and completion of the engine, several excellent threads here to show me the way.
Any and all comments welcome, Thanks for looking and......................
Cheers and Merry Christmas to all!
Lance :)
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Beautiful job on the interior, Lance. Outstanding solution the seat problem.
Cheers,
Bud
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Nice work!!...and Im glad that pink cutting mat is gone ;D
Steve
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Cool job, good look before the construction of its Bristol. ;)
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Excellent detail, Lance. Safe travels over the holidays.
LT
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Well done, Lance. Beautiful work on the cockpit area. Safe travels, have a great family holiday, and we'll look forward to your future work on the Biff! ;)
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Nice work!!...and Im glad that pink cutting mat is gone ;D
Steve
Yeah, I know it's a little "wimpy" but for a dollar (Canada's great Dollar Store) I couldn't pass it up. You are right though, it's gotta go before someone starts thinkin I like Quiche!
Cheers,
Lance ;)
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Thanks for the good wishes and comments, All. I'll be back here late Sunday and hopefully get a few pre-Christmas posts done.
Cheers, and Best Wishes,
Lance
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It looks very impressive Lance, especially now that it's all coming together. Excellent save on the seat too. Your painting skills brought out the detail on the caning to great effect. All in all, the office looks outstanding. You and Gary are at the top of your game.
Cheers,
Chris
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Very impressive and "busy" cockpit Lance. I like! :D The HGW fabric belts really look great, much better to my eye than the PE equivalents. I've never tried them. How are they to work with and install, particularly the draping over compound curves of a seat? That always causes me fits with the PE parts! >:(
Great work! Enjoy bthe holiday. ;D
Regards,
Bob
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Lance,
Outstanding work on her cockpit my friend. Oh and enjoy your Quiche too.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Hello Lance:
The seat belts are really nice. Your recovery on the seat is noteworthy and with those realistic looking seatbelts attention will be drawn to them vice any "flaws" in the seat. I have tried those fabric seat belts, not to my liking, but then neither is PE; but like PE I will have to give them another go. Can't wait to see more.
Have a great Christmas and New year.
Best
Mark
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Oh dont worry about the pink mat. It wil look good while you do the My Little Pony Fokker DVII scheme. Looking forward to your next update!!
Steve
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Lance, wonderful work on the interior!
Regards
Dave
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Dave, Mark, Greg, Bob & Chris (and you too Steve!)
Thanks for the nice comments and encouragement, it'll keep me keen when I tackle the next step with the engine. Can't hardly believe it; hundreds of photos posted on a green matt base, only a few on the pink "el cheapo" and I'm labelled! If the outside temp gets above -25 degrees I'll put it out of it's bloody misery with one of my 12 Guage Equalisers and send the bits to my friend Steve! (It's hard on the eyes anyway!) Think I'll "bin" the Christmas Eve Shrimp Linguine and pop a Quiche in the oven before the Missus gets home...............
Cheers and Merry Christmas Guys,
Lance :) ;)
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Excellent pit Lance - the quiche is obviously not doing any harm!!
Andrew
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Think I'll "bin" the Christmas Eve Shrimp Linguine and pop a Quiche in the oven before the Missus gets home...............
Did you pick up a taste for Quiche at the hunt camp? :o ;D
Cheers,
Chris
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Think I'll "bin" the Christmas Eve Shrimp Linguine and pop a Quiche in the oven before the Missus gets home...............
Did you pick up a taste for Quiche at the hunt camp? :o ;D
Cheers,
Chris
Ouch! I'll stop all this prattle now! (and ditch the Pink Cutting Pad as well!)
Cheers,
Lance :o ???
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Pink cutting mat or not, Lance, it's looking very bloody good, mate. Keep up the good work.
Dal.
PS This sudden fixation on quiche and pink of theirs? A bit sus, isn't it? :D
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No worries Lance;
Remember: Real men do eat quiche and.........like it. Merry Christmas and don't take the 12 ga. to it just yet.
Best
Mark
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Hard to believe it's been 6 weeks since my last update; time at the Model desk has been at a premium of late! Finally I do have some progress to post, the engine assembly is more or less complete. I found this part to be a bit of a "bear", lots of conflicting reference material and many challenges. Since there were 3 separate versions of the Rolls Royce Falcon used on the aircraft there appears to be a larger number of plumbing layouts employed. This one is my best guess at the common layout for, despite a wealth of reference photos and assistance from Des with even more photos, the confusion still remains. Also many of the photos I found were of Falcons on stands, removed from the aircraft, and missing various lines.
Overall, if I did it again, I would incorporate less detail, as I'll admit freely that this sub-build was not only a bit painful, but also exceeded my talent level. I'm happy with the overall effect however "clean" this is not, even under the guise of dirtying and weathering. Not being the sensitive type I'll accept any and all constructive comments and suggestions. There's lots to be learned from the experience here, and I'm wide open to that!
First, I elected to complete the engine as a separate module to be added to the airframe on final assembly. With my fat fingers the potential for disaster during assembly or rigging is at an all time high. The components including frame, radiator, and engine proper were prepped in the usual manner and as much pre-assembly painting as possible was done. The aim is to display this beast with the engine panels removed, however I may install just the right side panels, that option can be employed at any time.
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Assembly proper commenced with the basic engine component ready for the ignition harness addition. I recently discovered Alclad paints so a lot of the components have this metalic finish. Great product but without a sealing or overcoat rubs off at a disasterous rate!
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Next copper ignition wires were installed on the mags, #80 holes being pre drilled and thin CA used to attach the individual wires. I discovered two distinct methods of Mag wiring, the one I used had the two bundles of six attached to their own sides of the mag, some photos showed three of each combined per side and then bundled as a "six pak" above the magnetos.
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Note the Alclad Brass rubbed off on the photo above, since touched up (many times!) The assembly was then installed on the back of the engine block for routing to the plugs etc. At this point the wires were painted with a beige enamel.
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At this point things were going quite well. I'll follow this with a second update immediately as I'm concerned with my computer or router locking up. The joys of country living!
Cheers,
Lance
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Good to see you back on track with your build Lance, and what you have shown today is very impressive, the engine turned out well, it will be interesting to see it once that mass of wires are fitted. Looking forward to seeing more progress on this model.
Des.
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Update continued.......
The spark plugs being all but completely hidden I painted them gloss white and then drilled a #80 hole immediately behind each to recieve the plug wires. The wires were routed per the reference photos and CA'ed into their respective holes. One thing I would do differently is to use tape as wire ties vs. the flattened lead wire I used which appears to me as being over scale. The mono lines visible in the photos are the cabane rigging wires which were pre-attached to the engine mounts.
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Next came the various oil and coolant lines of which I added over a dozen more then the kit included. I used a combination of lead wire, sprue, and copper wire for the various lines. On the bottom view several simply disappear into the "mass" around the oil pump as I couldn't find any detailed photos of the scheme. The engine frame was wired/braced prior to assembly.
Bottom view:
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Left side:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1913.jpg)
and right side:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1915.jpg)
Also added above was the oil tank drain cock and the large oil supply line from the bottom of the tank to the oil pump at the rear bottom:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1896.jpg)
At the front radiator section I scratched the Constantinesco Drive assembly and plumbing by the prop hub and the carburettor drain pipe tap on the bottom of the radiator (some references had the latter, others did not?)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1908.jpg)
All that remains are the prop logos and the bellcrank for the radiator shutters (the hole in the nose cowl right side.) and weathering of the prop.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1916.jpg)
I may do a little more weathering on the engine if only to disguise some of the gaffs! A lot of the dust apparrent in some photos has been cleaned up. As I've said before, I never know whether to curse or be thankful for the Machro Digital photos we use.
Feedback always welcome. Now it's on to the wings and fuselage, never thought I'd look forward to a bout of PC10 but I can't wait for the change!
Cheers,
Lance
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Phenomenal detail on the engine, Lance. I'm particularly impressed with your wire bundles. Fantastic job.
Cheers,
Bud
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Impressive work Lance! ;D Great to see you back at this one. Ditto what Bud said above re: the wires!
Your metallics look superb. Did you brush on the Alclad on the smaller parts?
Keep up the great work! :)
Regards,
Bob
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Lovely work on the engine, Lance.
Keep going!
vB
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(http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l474/ChrisJohnson56/gifs/bow_zps482bbdda.gif)
Wow! The time you spent on this engine has certainly paid dividends Lance. Your extra detailing is absolutely superb. I look at your wire ties and I just don't know how you managed to do it. You might think they look over scale but I sure don't. And then there's those magnetos! Nice clean work there my friend, especially as there are 12 wires per magneto. All in all, it looks as clean and busy as one would expect the real thing to be.
Cheers,
Chris
P.S. With all of this under your belt, how would you feel about doing the same to my engine if I was to send it to you? ;D
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Hi Lance:
I have to add my $00.02 as well. The spark plug harnesses really look the business Lance, and as Chris mentioned I don't think the harness ties look over scale either, well maybe a little thick, but; the camera catches that, the eyes won't. This will certainly be an eye catcher and the focal point of this model.
Glad to see you back at it and look forward to more as you progress.
Best
Mark
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Thanks everyone for the kind words.
Rhallinger, I tried some brush touch ups on the brass pieces and, other then covering the wear areas on the magnetos and lifter assemblies (very small areas) it did not turn out well. In fact I had to re-mask the radiator one last time right at the end and spray it again as the brushed on repairs looked Gawd-awful! It's wonderful stuff but I havn't seen any sealer, anyone got any info on what works well as a top coat or protective finish?
As for your request re: your engine Chris, "YOYO" which in my flying days meant "you're on your own"!!
Cheers,
Lance
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Hello Lance:
For sealing the metalizer paints you are using, you can try Testors Metalizer sealer. What has always worked for me is good old Future. I always apply it with a Q Tip or as you say a "cotton bud". It sounds as if air brushing might be the option with what you are using as the finish seems to be quite delicate. Once the Future is dry, which isn't a very long time, you can handle it with ruining the finish. There is a bit of luster loss, but you won't have to worry about it whisking away when you touch it.
Good Luck
Mark
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As for your request re: your engine Chris, "YOYO" which in my flying days meant "you're on your own"!!
Yehhhh . . . I was afraid you'd say something like that. Whereas yours looks like the real thing, mine will be an exercise in creative gizmology.
Cheers,
Chris
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Hello Lance:
For sealing the metalizer paints you are using, you can try Testors Metalizer sealer. What has always worked for me is good old Future. I always apply it with a Q Tip or as you say a "cotton bud". It sounds as if air brushing might be the option with what you are using as the finish seems to be quite delicate. Once the Future is dry, which isn't a very long time, you can handle it with ruining the finish. There is a bit of luster loss, but you won't have to worry about it whisking away when you touch it.
Good Luck
Mark
Mark,
Thanks for the suggestions. By coincidence I do have a bottle of Model Master Metallic sealer on hand, I'll try a test on some scrap, also with Future and let you know what works or not. The Alclad is simply the very best metal finish I've ever used, and lots of colour choices. Problem is it's very fragile and try as you may some will rub off; it needs a sealant or overcoat.
And BTW, it's only those strange Brits and Aussies (Anzacs too??) that insist on calling QTips "cotton buds"! We Canucks prefer the brand name, as do you folks to our immediate South. As long as they keep making the great beers that they all do though, they can call em whatever they wish!
Cheers,
Lance
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As long as they keep making the great beers that they all do though, they can call em whatever they wish!
Cheers,
Lance
Hello Lance:
Sounds like a plan, and yes, I will hoist a cold Fosters, Molson or a Guiness and voice a hearty cheers.
Cheers
Mark
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I got the wings cleaned up and assembled today, pinned the ailerons as well. I finally realised how big this model is, definitely a two seater in proportions. It will (barely) fit into my present display cases so note to self............deeper cases required before any effort at the big two seaters and no Gothas for the time being!! I just realised how soon the expiry date of this GB is, and need to get going faster to meet it. Tomorrow is taping and shooting the pre-shade coat, hopefully I've got a little momentum going here.
Cheers,
Lance :)
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Marginal amount of progress, got the wings pre-shaded and fuselage glued up.
As noted by several others the flat top and bottom fuselage seams are problematic. These photos were taken today after the second attempt to make the seam disappear, third treatment of Tamiya Putty is now drying and hopefully will finish this little challenge. First coat was Squadron Green Putty. Here's the bottom:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1922.jpg)
and the top seam:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1919.jpg)
I used a darker pre-shade then in the past to provide maximum effect through the PC10. I don't have a photo however the undersides are done in reverse ie. the rib outlines are black as opposed to the margins or outlines to show the ribs through the CDL. The pre-shade paint is Modelmaster enamel Aircraft Interior Black which is really a very dark Grey.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1920.jpg)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1921.jpg)
Today I'm a great fan of the camera, as I caught the one (I think) bit of tape I missed removing! Lot of taping however worth every minute if the pre-shading works out. Once the fuselage seam is completely fixed I'll pre-shade it a bit and do the empennage as well, then it's first finish coat starting with CDL on the bottoms of the flying surfaces.
So far a slow but reasonable build, my first two seater and definitely a little more work then the "one-holers".
Cheers,
Lance
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Nice work on the pre-shading Lance. I wish I had the same talent with an airbrush as you have as the one time I tried pre-shading, it didn't end up looking anything like this! I'm looking forward to seeing the colour coat.
I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one who struggled with eliminating that seam down the spine of the fuselage. It's a pesky problem.
I see you've already installed some control lines in the fuselage. Good thinking. I will undoubtedly wish I had of thought of doing that too.
Cheers,
Chris
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Hi Lance:
I know what you mean about those seams on a flat surface. I make a slurry of Tamiya putty and MEK or MEK substitute and then paint brush it in the seam. IT seams to work. Pun intended. The Tamiya and Squadron puttys don't seem to get into the depth of the seam and fill it. What else works is CA glue, but you have to attack it right away or it becomes harder than the plastic.
Your pre-shading looks the business and I am anxious to see how this turns out. I think in the end Des should have a pose down to see who's is the most eye catching BIFF! Let the championship committee decide and to quote a well known London detective who lived on Baker Street: "Let the games begin!"
Seriously, good progress.
Best
Mark
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Chris,
The control lines installed ahead of the game are of mixed benefit; certainly prefer to have them anchored in before closing her up however working aound them (to say nothing of potential to inadvertantly lop them off) during the sanding, trimming, and painting is a bit painfull. As for the flat seam, yes, it`s a special treat!
Mark,
I`ll try to get some MEK, I like the sound of your remedy. My bottle of Testors Liquid plastic cement says `contains methyl ethyl keytone`. Could I use that as a thinner .
Thank you both for the positive comments.
Cheers,
Lance
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Chris,
The control lines installed ahead of the game are of mixed benefit; certainly prefer to have them anchored in before closing her up however working aound them (to say nothing of potential to inadvertantly lop them off) during the sanding, trimming, and painting is a bit painfull.
I tried it once and only just squeaked through by the skin of my teeth. I inadvertently over-sprayed the lines with matte sealer but didn't think anything of it until I started double threading them through the brass turnbuckles. The lines would hardly pull through and it was nip and tuck the whole way as the increased tension required to pull the lines taut put additional stress on the eyelet mounts, which caused several failures. Now I don't install any lines until I have my matte coats safely out of the way.
Cheers,
Chris
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Chris,
The control lines installed ahead of the game are of mixed benefit; certainly prefer to have them anchored in before closing her up however working aound them (to say nothing of potential to inadvertantly lop them off) during the sanding, trimming, and painting is a bit painfull. As for the flat seam, yes, it`s a special treat!
Mark,
I`ll try to get some MEK, I like the sound of your remedy. My bottle of Testors Liquid plastic cement says `contains methyl ethyl keytone`. Could I use that as a thinner .
Thank you both for the positive comments.
Cheers,
Lance
Hi Lance:
Yes, you can use Testors as a thinner. I use MEK exclusively as a cement, paint and putty thinner, brush and air brush cleaner. It is cheaper than buying those bottles of Testors. You can get it at your local hardware store: I know, local for you is a 250 mile drive. Next time you're in town pick up a pint or two of it. There is also a MEK substitute which works just as well. I keep the Testors bottles and reuse them for my cementing purposes. If you use it to thin paint and airbrush, ensure you use a respirator. The stuff is pretty caustic, but it works well with any paint; Testors MM, Humbrol, Testors Acryl, Tamiya Acrylic. I have never used it with Future, not sure how it would work with that.
Best
Mark
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Hello, Lance -
I've not really been following the GB builds recently, so have missed out on your excellent work so far - your engine detailing work is brilliant.
Regards
Dave
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Nice work all 'round, Lance! Looks like I'm tail-end Charlie in this threesome, but that gives me a chance to learn from your efforts and those of Chris! Excellent work! :D
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Lance,
Awesome works all around my old friend. I'm looking forward to seeing her wings when fully painted.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Dave, Gary & Greg,
Thanks for the encouraging words. Progress is frustratingly slow for now as I've got 5 more days of work commitments until I can get busy again. Doubly frustrating as I find that it takes me a day or more to get spun up and back in the groove after an interuption. And then there's the snow piled up in the driveway again........... :(
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance, everything looks great! Engine details are awesome. Cool to see several folks building the same subject.
I am confused by your comments regarding problems with "Alcad" rubbing off. Do you mean (Testors) Metallizer? I have found Alcad to be super-durable, no problems whatsoever handling it once it is cured (~2hrs). Metallizer (at least applied with the "primed brush" technique) is a different story...
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Lance, everything looks great! Engine details are awesome. Cool to see several folks building the same subject.
I am confused by your comments regarding problems with "Alcad" rubbing off. Do you mean (Testors) Metallizer? I have found Alcad to be super-durable, no problems whatsoever handling it once it is cured (~2hrs). Metallizer (at least applied with the "primed brush" technique) is a different story...
Bo,
My experience has not been so...............I am totally impressed with the finishes provided by the Alclad products. The "Polished Brass" colour which I used actually comes off as a low lustre finish and I used it a lot on this engine. Handling the component during the build though resulted in much of it wearing off, subsequently I had to re-finish it more then once. It was dry(24 Hours or more) but in fairness no overspray was applied. I was not aware of their overcoat and will be looking for it. Other colours seemed better, the firewall done in "Duraluminum" suffered no ill effects however the "Dull Aluminum" had to be resprayed as well.
What is the "primed brush" technique you mentioned?
Cheers,
Lance
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Hmmm. What were you using as a primer for the brass / Allclad that you had problems with? I haven't actually tried that color but it seems odd that it would be any different than any of the other pigments -- I'm fairly certain it's the same vehicle in all of them...
The other factor is spraying distance -- too far away and the lacquer dries before it hits -- that would cause it to not adhere well. Applied correctly the stuff is extremely durable, at least that's what I have found...
Allclad 101, was useful to me :
http://www.swannysmodels.com/Alclad.html
The "primed brush" technique is something entirely different, for an entirely different product -- Testor's "Metallizer" paints (eseentially the same as Gunze Mr. Metal). Basically the idea is you apply the pigment with a very reduced vehicle load by soaking a brush in concentrated pigment, allowing the brush to dry, and then recharging the brush again with concentrated pigment, which you smear onto the model and then buff out. The results are pretty spectacular but the finish is a little fussy. See here:
http://www.essmc.org.au/Natural_Metal_Finish.html
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Funny you should mention primer Bo. I purchased both the Grey and the Black "Primer and Microfiller" however was told that it was only required if spraying large areas or re-finished ones. That's probably (along with no over-coat or sealer) why the stuff rubs off. Call it operator error, haste makes waste, or not doing my homework the finger is pointing at Moi! It's a great finish, and along with this info and the inputs of other's earlier, I'm sure I'll get great results in future. :-[
Thanks for pitching in!
Cheers,
Lance
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Fool around with some scrap; clean it real good, prime it, give it two hours, then color coat it from about 2" away at 15 psi. I think you'll find the result is practically indestructible, no need for sealer (unless you want to mess with the gloss / matte.)
Cheers!
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Fool around with some scrap; clean it real good, prime it, give it two hours, then color coat it from about 2" away at 15 psi. I think you'll find the result is practically indestructible, no need for sealer (unless you want to mess with the gloss / matte.)
Cheers!
Thanks Bo, will do. As one of my true heros, Forest Gump once said, "I'm not a smart man"!
Cheers,
Lance
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Fool around with some scrap; clean it real good, prime it, give it two hours, then color coat it from about 2" away at 15 psi. I think you'll find the result is practically indestructible, no need for sealer (unless you want to mess with the gloss / matte.)
Cheers!
Thanks Bo, will do. As one of my true heros, Forest Gump once said, "I'm not a smart man"!
Cheers,
Lance
Hehe I doubt that very much my friend. Model onward!
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Time to post an update of sorts before this Thread falls into the dormant, old, expired category. The main parts have been sprayed with my version of PC10 and the pre-shading shows very nicely. After a brief skirmish with the Future gloss coat the fuselage and wings were decalled and given a coat of Model Master Acryl Semi Gloss to serve as a base for some pastel post-shading and weathering. At this point all has gone well, the fuselage and mainplanes remain for the pastel treatment.
Presently I'm in a struggle with Photo Bucket; they implemented an all new system and my "Neanderthal" computer skills have not let me crack the code on uploading new photos, I hope to solve this obstacle soon and will hopefully post a few progress photos soon. Is anyone else suffering from this plague? Any quick hints?
I'll be completing the pastel phase next, seal it all, add some weathering and grime, and then things should progress much quicker. Mounting the bottom wing looms menacingly on my very dim horizon............ ::)
Cheers,
Lance
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I just sent you an e-mail Lance that might assist.
Cheers,
Chris
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Presently I'm in a struggle with Photo Bucket; they implemented an all new system and my "Neanderthal" computer skills have not let me crack the code on uploading new photos, I hope to solve this obstacle soon and will hopefully post a few progress photos soon. Is anyone else suffering from this plague? Any quick hints?
I had thesame problem (actually I didn't know what to do) and heard a lot of modelling friends having similar problems. Somehow I tried to do it their way and I think something changed once you did it right once.
Now I don't want to go back, because it works much faster and mor efficient then their previous interface. I log in, I see my last uploaded picture, I click upload, select the desired directory in a pop up on the upper left side and select the files to be uploaded.
I know this isn't really help, because I am already using the new interface for 4 or 5 months now and I don't remember what I needed to do then. It may be just some moral support. You're not alone, apparently most of us had difficulties in the adaptation.
Succes!
Ivo
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I'm in the same boat regarding Photobucket. Just returned last night and know full well that I have to switch over to the new system. Ah, the wonders of a modern technological society...! ;D
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I solved the Photo Bucket problem with a little help from my fellow member and friend, Chris Johnson. If it's of any help to anyone else all it took was to switch to Google Chrome as my Network Browser; apparently the Photo Bucket Site doesn't work on Internet Explorer.
Here's a couple of photos of the various bits for the empannage with the post-shading applied and the fuselage and lower wings before shading.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1947-1.jpg)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1949.jpg)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1948.jpg)
I've since completed post shading on all but the upper wings, which are in the queue for tomorrow. Now that I've figured out the Photo Bucket puzzle I should be able to post more photos tomorrow.
I should add that the decision to add Bud's version of "Post Shading" came after viewing Ivo's outstanding Fokker DVII Build. I wanted a well weathered and worn effect and and, after viewing his excellent use of heavy shading etc. decided to "go for the gold". I'm also banking on the final overcoat of Semi Gloss toning down the contrast a bit, which seems to be the normal effect.
More photos to follow tomorrow...........
Cheeers,
Lance
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Looking good Lance! I really like the rib shading on the wings. Very convincing. ;D
Regards,
Bob
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Brilliant, Lance! The shading is awesome. So glad you got Photobucket sorted.
Cheers,
Bud
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Lance,
Looking very good, my friend. You and I might just stagger across the finish line in time yet! And thanks for the "elbow-jog:" I missed placing the black "7" on the underside of the lower wing. Ah, the mortification of it all. Guess I have my work cut out for me today! ;D
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Lance,
Looking very good, my friend. You and I might just stagger across the finish line in time yet! And thanks for the "elbow-jog:" I missed placing the black "7" on the underside of the lower wing. Ah, the mortification of it all. Guess I have my work cut out for me today! ;D
Gary,
Glad to help and to see that I`m not the only one forgetting steps; I discovered that the tiny Bristol Logos with Parts serial numbers on the bottom of the flying surfaces (numbers 37 & 38) are still on the Sheet. Now I get to apply them after having completed the shading, so a bit of touching up will be required. I`m beginning to wonder if NZ has it`s own version of evil Trolls, and one arrived in the box, certainly no end of silliness going on with this Build!
I`m confident that with no further set backs I`ll make the deadline, however that`s a rather huge assumption!
Cheers,
Lance ::)
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She's looking very nice Lance! You certainly have the hang of rib shading which is something that continues to allude me.
Did you hear a big bang in the east this morning? That was my jaw hitting the floor when I saw that black '7' on the underside of your top wing. As you fellows know, I missed it entirely on my model. (http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l474/ChrisJohnson56/gifs/stupidme2_zps2975f7a0.gif) I'll have to see if I can sneak it into place. Fat chance of accomplishing that though. (http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l474/ChrisJohnson56/gifs/mad_zps1805e648.gif)
That tears it. You and Gary are breaking trail for me on the Collishaw build as I did a miserable job with it.
Cheers,
Chris
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Did you hear a big bang in the east this morning? That was my jaw hitting the floor when I saw that black '7' on the underside of your top wing. As you fellows know, I missed it entirely on my model. (http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l474/ChrisJohnson56/gifs/stupidme2_zps2975f7a0.gif) I'll have to see if I can sneak it into place. Fat chance of accomplishing that though. (http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l474/ChrisJohnson56/gifs/mad_zps1805e648.gif)
Cheers,
Chris
Chris,
Sois calme, mon vieux: the black "7"goes on the centre underside of the lower wing. No biggie to get it into place on your build. Check Lance's photo and you can see the two angled slots where you fit the undercarriage legs through the lower wing centre section to reach their attachment points on the lower fuselage. Slide it into place, do a smidge of weathering over it, and you're done. Fear not: all is right with the world and the universe is unfolding as it should! :D ;) ;D
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Chris,
Also just sent you a PM with some thoughts/observations on whether there need be a bottom number. Rowan's Booklet has some well stated logic on this as well. And thanks for the positive comments on the shading; I'll do some photos once it's all complete and oversprayed which I'm hoping will tone it down a bit.
Cheers,
Lance
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Whew! I'll have a go at that decal application later this morning. I'm on pins and needles thinking about what you two are going to come up with next.
Cheers,
Chris
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Lance,
Outstanding paint and shading my old friend. She has all the hallmarks of a real showstopper. Can't wait to see more.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Hello Lance:
Good to see you back on this one. I am in the early rigging stages on the LVG and then on to an Allied bird. I am looking forward to see you continue to progress through this one. It is in my queue, just not sure I want to start it this late in the game.
Best
Mark
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Thanks Greg, I'll be adding to the shading and weathering a bit more, she's going to be "used and worn" hopefully.
Mark, it's a great Kit but a long Build, not sure if I'll make the end April Deadline or not. :-\
I'll try for some more photos later today.
Cheers,
Lance
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meant to comment earlier - the components all look great. Im looking forward to them all together - like a ship in a bottle - just pull one flying wire and it all snaps into place!!!...
Steve
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I'm on pins and needles thinking about what you two are going to come up with next.
Cheers,
Chris
Probably some way of actually finishing this build by April 30th! ;) ;D
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meant to comment earlier - the components all look great. Im looking forward to them all together - like a ship in a bottle - just pull one flying wire and it all snaps into place!!!...
Steve
Given the basic errors and forgotten steps I'm inducing into this project the only "snapping" going on here is my sense of humour, Steve. I did take one "shading in progress" photo with the infamous pink cutting sheet as the base, just to rile you up and inject some fun into this! I'm sure it will precitate a few "shots" which is always good for morale................ ;)
Now it's out to the garage to overspray the shading, hopefully all will go smoothly and I'll get some photos up here.
Cheers,
Lance
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Finally have an update complete with photos. I completed pastel post shading of the main components this morning. In retospect, given the dark color of PC10 the pre-shading could have been bypassed; my limited experience to date tells me to use pre shading on light color schemes, post shading on the darker ones. Lots of fiddly tape work done twice in this case.
I used chalk pastels per Bud's technique (Thank you kind Sir!) mixing dark brown with black. I simply rub the pastel on sand paper to get a powder, apply and buff with Q Tips (cotton Buds for the non Colonials ;D) and keep buffing to get the tone or shade I want. I had to pose this work in progress shot with my blazing pink cutting mat as a base, Steve (Pepperman) likes it a lot and I won't part with it at any price ;)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1951.jpg)
After the shading was completed I oversprayed the various components with Acrylic Clear Semi Gloss, it sealed and toned down the contrasts however the photos show a less toned down effect then the naked eye, or mine at least. Here's a bunch of shots of the results:
Wings and Fuselage........
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1952.jpg)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1953.jpg)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1956.jpg)
A couple of close ups of the fuselage..........
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1958.jpg)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1959.jpg)
And a few of the smaller bits............
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1960.jpg)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1968.jpg)
And last a shot of the prop since it's finished. I'm still trying to decide whether to tone down the gloss finish on it?
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Two/IMG_1976.jpg)
Now it's finally ready for the assembly stage, since the engine and cockpit modules are finished this should start to progress very quickly, once a 7 day shift of real world toil is behind me. :(
I'm wide open to comments and suggestions, that's why I post here as there is so much expertise here and improvement is a never finished business!
Cheers,
Lance
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Great stuff Lance! Your shading is superb all around, and the prop looks to be real. :D I want to see this Biff put together. She'll be a nifty bird for sure! ;D Well done.
Regards,
Bob
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Truly brilliant shading, Lance! Love it! Well worth the effort.
Cheers,
Bud
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Very nice all 'round, Lance and, as noted, excellent shading. I'd better get a move on over here! ;)
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And I suppose you're going to tell me that you didn't pull up any of the roundel decals with those strips of tape, right??? I wish I could say that. I've now invested in a bag of Q-Tips for my next attempt. Seeing the results you've achieved here, expect me to pester you ad nauseam when I get down to it. See, there is a downside to doing such nice work. ;D
Your prop looks excellent as she stands.
Sorry to dampen your enthusiasm for quick progress, but if my experience is anything to go by, you still have lots of fun in front of you yet!
Cheers,
Chris
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I'm looking forward to them all together - like a ship in a bottle - just pull one flying wire and it all snaps into place!!!...
Uhhhhh . . . have you guys been holding out on me?? I knew I could hear whispering and snickering in the background when I was struggling with my Bif!!! (http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l474/ChrisJohnson56/gifs/whisper_zps831b1840.gif)
Cheers,
Chris
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The work is amazing and the cutting mat is AB FAB. This model is clearly the biggest,complicated build of the single engine types WNW does. You're doing it justice!!
Steve
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Thanks to all of you for the complimentary comments, does wonders for a guy's confidence. In the way of "true confessions", Chris, don't worry, be assured there was some peeling of roundels with the tape despite two well dried overcoats of semi gloss and wearing out my forehead doing the "Bo body oil Trick" with Tamiya Tape. If anyone cares Model Master Blue Angel Blue, Semi Gloss white RLM 21, and Insignia Red are perfect matches for the Pheon roundels. I did the touch ups/repairs prior to the final overcoat.
Great to get a favorable assessment of Post Shading from you Bud, I learned it from a Master of the technique ;)
Last, thanks for the endorsement of the prop's finish, she'll be left as is.
It's up early and off to the Oil Sands very early tomorrow A.M. again, won't get much if anything done until next week which frustrates me just a bit! (I suspect I've no one to blame but myself in that regard ::))
This is not only a more complicated build then the Single Seaters I've done, it's also a much longer one and, having popped the upper wing components together on a dry fit check, I'm thinking she won't fit into my display case!?
More to follow in 5-6 days.
Cheers,
Lance
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This is not only a more complicated build then the Single Seaters I've done, it's also a much longer one and, having popped the upper wing components together on a dry fit check, I'm thinking she won't fit into my display case!?
See, Lance? That's why, so far, I build 1/48 scale exclusively. So far. ;)
Cheers,
Bud
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See, Lance? That's why, so far, I build 1/48 scale exclusively. So far. ;)
Cheers,
Bud
The Dark Side beckons . . . and it's sapping your will to resist . . . ;D
Cheers,
Chris
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Hello Lance:
I like the prop the way it is and glad to see you are going to go with it as is. I like your shading with the pastels. On my NINAK, I painted the upper surfaces Tamiya X-55, Desert yellow, then overspayed the PC-10. When Dry, I lightly went over the upper surfaces with a green scotch pad under the tap, checking frequently until I got the desired effect. It isn't really a shaded effect but you can see the rib detail to good effect.
You can kind of see it here on the tail surfaces. Not a great picture but you can get the idea.
(http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad261/ptbarnum101/NINAK/DSC000501.jpg)
Anyway, looking forward to an update when you get back.
Best
Mark
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Hey, Lance,
One exercise down, one to go. I'll be back in harness by this time next weekend (I hope!). Might get a bit done over this weekend: fingers crossed! 8)
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Finally completed the latest work load yesterday, got a bunch of eyelets installed in the upper wing components during a brief lull last week and hoping to get cracking on this later today. It's looking shakey for a deadline completion but I'll keep at it right down to the wire; don't want to rush but it would be nice to complete this one on time.
Cheers All!
Lance ???
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Good to hear that you might be able to squeeze in some time on your Brisfit Lance. I can well imagine that you're itching to get back at it. I sometimes took a couple of reference sources on shift with me (squirrelled away in my kit bag) for those times when things were slow. I'd stop somewhere waaaay out in the boonies, sip on a coffee and plan what I wanted to get done on a model when I could get back at it. It also kept the project current in my mind. Sound familiar? ;)
Cheers,
Chris
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Lance ,
I'm looking forward to your next awesome "McKeever" update my old friend. Press On !
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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You did a magnificent job on shading!!! The propeller is one of the finest I`ve seen! Some day I`m going to build McKeever`s Bristol too, I`ll be using yours for reference. Keep up the good work!
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Good to hear that you might be able to squeeze in some time on your Brisfit Lance. I can well imagine that you're itching to get back at it. I sometimes took a couple of reference sources on shift with me (squirrelled away in my kit bag) for those times when things were slow. I'd stop somewhere waaaay out in the boonies, sip on a coffee and plan what I wanted to get done on a model when I could get back at it. It also kept the project current in my mind. Sound familiar? ;)
Cheers,
Chris
Ouch, there must be cameras in some of those trees! Despite my finely tuned hyper-vigilance I've been burned!
Cheers,
Lance
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Thanks, Greg and xmald, for the encouragement. I find it takes a full day to get back to where I left off, and today is a lost one. Planning a "max effort" tomorrow.
Cheers,
Lance
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Your paint work, shading, and highlights look fantastic... and I'll add my vote to leaving the prop in it's glossy finish, it's beautiful and offers (IMHO) a realistic and interesting contrast against the CDL & PC10. Nice work!
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Well Folks, one week to the Group Build deadline and I'm off to work tomorrow.............for a week straight. That, coupled with coordinating a surprise family gathering for my Bride's 60th Birthday this past weekend and an overseas holiday to prep for the end of the month means I'll not be nearly done on time. I'll be requesting that Des move this Thread to the Under Construction Bin and will continue, albeit at a lesser pace for now, until this project is complete. Regrets to Chris, he, unlike Gary and I, finished his part of the 3 V many mini build of McKeever's F2b, hopefully we'll do better on McKeeevers' Fokker later on.
Still enjoying this Build tremendously, just don't want to rush it in light of the "real life" I occasionally notice going on around me!
Cheers,
Lance
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I'm in the same boat, Lance, as you know. Work continues on my Biff, albeit at a slower rate for reasons enumerated elsewhere. I'm currently finishing up my interplane struts prior to fitting the upper wing (which, of course, will have it's own rigging challenges). Perhaps you and I can pace each other as we continue our respective builds! 8)
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I know that whenever you get her finished, she'll have been well worth the wait. Enjoy your trip!
Cheers,
Chris
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Another lame delay notice on this Build, I'm about to depart on a two week vacation. Looking forward to the change however nearly as much to hopefully getting some time for this project when I get back.
I intend to see all I can of Northern Scotland and might even sample some of the local beverages, all in moderation of course!
Keep well Folks and I'll check in on return. :)
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance,
You will love the Highland. For me, one of the best places on this spinning ball of iron and rock.
Have a great time.
VB ;)
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Have a great trip, Lance. I'm envious. My bride and I are going to Telford then on to Ireland next year. Hopefully, we'll be able to squeeze in a bit of Scotland, as well.
Cheers,
Bud
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Lance,
You will love the Highland. For me, one of the best places on this spinning ball of iron and rock.
Have a great time.
VB ;)
Have a great trip, Lance. I'm envious. My bride and I are going to Telford then on to Ireland next year. Hopefully, we'll be able to squeeze in a bit of Scotland, as well.
Cheers,
Bud
Von Hilandfan,
Just got back, you are so right. Magnificent scenary, wonderful people, excellent history and incredibly great beverages! Spent half the holiday in the Northern Highlands, 2 days on Skye, and I'd go back in a heartbeat.
Bud,
Recommended without reservations. Only downside is the driving, wrong side of the road on very narrow twisting roads with lots of sheer drops (talking sure death here!). The overall experience more then compensates however. Telford etc. is on my "Bucket List", can't make it this year so you never know, may see you there next year!
Cheers,
Lance :)
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Ah, so glad that you survived your encounters with drivers, roads and single malt! Welcome back! ;D
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So, it's time to restart this Thread/Build Log. I'm finally back at the Model Desk after a very "hit and Miss" several months. Having hung up my work gloves for good some 10 days back I'm ready for some serious modelling, fun, and finding out what this "Retirement Thing" is all about!
This is the forth or fifth time I've retired and this time I mean it. Below is the emblem I scraped off my Truck, the end of 10 years of Oilfield liaison, security, and safety activity. Great memory, and proud to have had the opportunity for a rewarding second (or was it third??) career.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Brisfit/IMG_2084.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Brisfit/IMG_2084.jpg.html)
Over the past four months, since withdrawing from the Group Build, I've done a little here and there concentrating mainly on a "modular" approach. The engine was completed, the Scharf Ring/Lewis Assembly is half done, the wings have been pre-rigged, and the landing gear is 95% complete.
First step of final assembly was mounting the bottom wing and landing gear which I completed a few days back. Despite using a template to ensure alignment of the connecting spars this turned out to be a real challenge; as I told a couple of fellow Members earlier It proved to be the worst case of "I wish I had two more hands and eleven more fingers" I've ever experienced in 50+ years of working plastic! In the end the wonders (and strength) of CA and holding my tongue just right triumphed over the urge to convert her to a flying scale version!
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Brisfit/IMG_2091.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Brisfit/IMG_2091.jpg.html)
Also added at this point were the lines from the fuselage that pass through the port lower wing and to the Pitot Assembly and also the copper line from the wind driven fuel pump to the fuel system. The digital macro camera again picks up bare areas, dust, and "junk" that I can't see without visual aids, just plain humbling and ugly!
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Brisfit/IMG_2110.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Brisfit/IMG_2110.jpg.html)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Brisfit/IMG_2109.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Brisfit/IMG_2109.jpg.html)
Once happy with the lower wing attachment the engine module was attached to allow installation of the front cabanes. At this point, with Thanks to Mr. John Adams, the trusty AeroClub BiPlane Assembly Jig was set up in preparation for both the Cabane mounting / alignment and eventual installation of the upper wing.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Brisfit/IMG_2118.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Brisfit/IMG_2118.jpg.html)
Next, the rest of the Jig preparation, some minor additions and touch ups, and then the dreaded upper wing mounting exercise! Hopefully back with another update in a day or two, rather then a month or two as in the recent past. :-[
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance, it's great that you are back at the build, my friend! That's a strange looking gizmo...looks
like a meccano-set meltdown ;). I can see where it would really be helpful with the upper
wing placement. Your attention to detail on the Bristol is great, and will be a superb model
as you progress with it. I'll be avidly following the build, hopefully learning from your
talents.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Hey, Lance,
I've got one of those giszmos. Gve it a good tryout and let me know how to use it properly! ;D
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Really glad to see you back on this one, Lance. Your gonna love retirement, buddy. I sure do, although mine is of the semi variety.
Cheers,
Bud
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Great to see you back on track with this brilliant build Lance, I'm looking forward to seeing you take great strides with this one now that you are retired ;)
Des.
PS. Since being retired I have never been so busy.....no time to scratch myself..
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Great to see you back on track with this brilliant build Lance, I'm looking forward to seeing you take great strides with this one now that you are retired ;)
Des.
PS. Since being retired I have never been so busy.....no time to scratch myself..
'Course you don't. You've been too busy scratching Spinnes, Cauldrons, Taubes, Voisins and the like!
Cheers,
Bud
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Very good work on the Biff Lance.
I wish I was retired and I could spend more time building the WW1 collection.
Also have the Biff but have not begun it yet, so I am watching your build with great interest.
Keep up the good work.
Best wishes,
Dave
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Great to see your work again Lance. Looking forward to seeing what's in store for us.
Lindsay
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Hello Lance,
Brilliant build... Looks a tricky & complex project despite being a Wingnuts! I'd love to try a Brisfit but am slightly daunted by the time it would take me..
I would love to be retired.. I've just had 3 months off work due sickness (nothing serious) and I've loved every minute (despite having a job I like) there's just not enough time in the day to do everything I want to.. Back to work in a couple of weeks so my Albatros will struggle..
Keep up the posts..
Guy
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Really glad to see you back on this one, Lance. Your gonna love retirement, buddy. I sure do, although mine is of the semi variety.
Cheers,
Bud
Bud,
The "Semi" part was what drove me into full retirement; always a deal of "a few days here and there, no more then 2 days a week, etc. etc." which quickly turned into full time employment or more! I would have worked until they put me in a wooden box to carry me away were it only casual. No place for old men, the Oil Patch! Hang in there as long as you enjoy it!
Cheers,
Lance 8)
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Well finally, we get to see some shots of what you've been up to on your Bif, and it's been well worth the wait. She's sitting straight and level to my eye so even with the acrobatics required to fit that lower wing in place, it was all worth the effort.
I'm looking forward to seeing how you employee this jig that looks like it had its genesis during the Spanish Inquisition. If I understand correctly, once you have the model set up in it, the black magic takes over and the top wing magically conforms to it's proper position. It sure sounds simple! ;D
Cheers,
Chris
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Hi Lance,
Very nice, very detailing, very good work.
Cheers,
Vladimir
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Thanks , everyone for the encouragement and positive feedback.
Guy, it is complicated from the structural perspective; it is absolutely critical to get the lower wing alignment "bang on" as I believe everything else (upper wing, rigging "runs", etc.) grows from there. I believe I should have paid more attention to the Cabane Mounting locations which, knowing WNW engineering, would ensure a perfect and correct fit. The rear cabanes are difficult to fit, and once I started to "shave" them a bit, they developed some play and off we went!
Des, I agree with the busy part however it feels great to me as I know I'll have the time tomorrow if I don't feel like doing "it" today!
Gary, no great mystery here, successful use of the Jig is the outcome of how you hold your tongue, or whether you bite your upper or lower lip .................!?! Wait for the "attaching the upper wing" posting, it's going to get really ugly, I just know it!
Chris, regarding the Jig, see above!
I'll try for a few more photos late today................
Cheers,
Lance
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Time for another quick update. Before attaching the top panel of the Gunner's cockpit I completed the Sling Seat using the suspension from the Kit PE Fret, a scratch built seat base, and added a padding from the left over parts of the HGW Seatbelt Set.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Brisfit/IMG_2103.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Brisfit/IMG_2103.jpg.html)
Next came the cabane strut installation. Spacing and angle being critical I elected to use the upper wing as the alignment template, which necessitated setting up the stagger and the gap between the wings to match the dimensions of the cabanes. In this case the gap would result from the upper wing being at exactly the correct stagger angle and the cabanes being in place in their respective mounting holes. A measurement of the stagger angle, 15 Degrees, was obtained from the 3 View Drawings in Windsock's Data File and then set and locked on the Assembly Jig.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Brisfit/IMG_2114.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Brisfit/IMG_2114.jpg.html)
First step was to mount the model in the Jig with the fuselage perfectly centered. A set square verifies the fuselage C/L, the spread having been determined by measurement between the inner wing spars.(On a two bay you use the inner struts for the
spread, on a single bay the outer spar locations are used)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Brisfit/IMG_2112.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Brisfit/IMG_2112.jpg.html)
The cabanes, after some shaving and cleaning up to get them to fit in their respective mounting holes, were dry fitted into place, the upper wing dry fitted to them by first setting the wing snugly to the forward frame, then using the adjustment screws on each rear kingpost of the Jig to set the correct gap for optimum fit and then clamping the upper wing in position. This step took several adjustments and "re-clamps". Once happy with the results ultra thin CA was applied to set the BOTTOM cabane mounts permanently to the fuselage and the upper wing removed (The cabanes will now be permanent and properly positioned for the permanent upper wing addition later)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Brisfit/IMG_2120.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Brisfit/IMG_2120.jpg.html)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Brisfit/IMG_2119.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Brisfit/IMG_2119.jpg.html)
Next in the sequence is completion of all the little bits before the upper wing gets installed. The Aldis Sight, windshield, and hopefully not permanently missing part A19 (A filler cap) need be installed, yet another check of the pre-rigging for completion, and it will be "show time"; I plan to rig the wings completely before tackling the rest of the machine.
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance, this is fascinating and so informative. I feel I'm learning so much. Thank you for sharing work of such high quality with us.
Best wishes
Nigel
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Looking good so far, Lance. If I read one of your notations, the distance from centreline to inner bay strut is 92mm. Is that correct? If so, that will help when it comes time for me to go through the same exercise. TIA!
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Gary,
Actually the notation you noticed is left over from a previous Build, the Roden Albatros DIII. On the Bif I measured 147mm (Strut locator hole to the same on the opposite wing.) thus C/L to strut is 73.5mm. According to John's directions you then subtract 2mm from each "1/2" thus I set the inside edges of the main base plates at 71.5mm from the centre line to accommodate the main struts on the outside of the horizontal arms of the Jig.
Pilots count on their fingers thus all is written down to ensure a second count is not required!! :P
Cheers,
Lance
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Gary,
Pilots count on their fingers thus all is written down to ensure a second count is not required!! :P
Cheers,
Lance
So that's what I was hearing them saying lo these many years ago: "eight, nine, ten...another, another, another...!"
Thanks for the measurements. Tomorrow, being a Biff day, I'll set up the jig as well as doing a bit more to get reacquainted. Lots done today on the Stuart (dontcha just love long weekends?), but it was mainly "easy stuff." The harder parts come along in about a week, when I dive into all those resin bits and bobs!
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Looking good Lance! I'm sure that top wing will be perfect when you get it mounted. I'm already soooo jealous. ;D
Cheers,
Chris
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She's coming along beautifully, Lance. The jig seems to be working out great for you. Really looking forward to the next update.
Cheers,
Bud
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Hello Lance:
Just doing a little catch up here. Nice work to date and nice explanation of the jig. This kit certainly poses some challenges and you seem to be well armed to face them. Looking forward to seeing how you wrap this up. I have been on a modeling hiatis for about three months and hope to get back to the bench soon.
Best
Mark
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Hello, Lance -
Just catching up with your wonderful build - really coming along a treat. Amazing what some of you boys are able to achieve on your builds.
Regards
Dave
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How was i skipping this? >:(
What an amazing job you're doing here.
Love the painting and the detail in that beauty. Great jig too!
Cheers
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Thanks so much for all the kind and encouraging comments. I have been corresponding off-line with Gary ( "Trackpad") who is also doing this Build. If anyone has the Jig he and I are using DON"T use the measurements I stated earlier. Gary, being a loyal and fastidious craftsman rechecked the measurements I published and now has helped me to get my head out of the orifice in my posterior (ahem, I mean I'm not adverse to accepting responsibility for my mistakes or short comings!) The real and correct space between the inner edges of the mounting holes for the inner main spars is NOT 147mm as I stated, but rather 141 mm. :-[
I'll need to be more careful in future.
Cheers,
Lance
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Wow Lance, this is really interesting stuff. The Biff is looking beautiful...I really
like the way you created the gunners sling. Little things like that really add to a
model. Keep up the good work! I'm enjoying the build a bunch!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Really great work! If I ever decide to expand to 2 seaters in 1/32nd I will need a jig! Thanks for showing the how to!!
RAGIII
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Thanks for checking in Guys, and for the encouraging comments. Hopefully the upper wing goes on OK and properly aligned, I'm very close to that step as only a few small parts have still to be added. You're right RagIII, this is my first two seater and I'd be lost without the Jig.
Cheers,
Lance
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Scary!
Good luck Lance!
(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh640/UncleTony1917/b269eacbf281456568ed9be9428a9603_zps824d4846.jpg)
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Thought I'd post another update, the upper wing is on and the wing rigging almost complete. I elected to complete a few more of the smaller bits and "scratched" a pair of bell cranks for the radiator shutter controls, the latter are pretty fragile so will be added when the flight control wires are installed.
The bell cranks, combination of sheet brass, styrene sheet, and steel wire:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Brisfit/116.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Brisfit/116.jpg.html)
Here's the cranks for the elevator control wires. I added the double adjustable turnbuckles using, in this case, Bob's Buckles, some of his experimental "Doubles" which he had provided gratis for me to try; Highly recommended and Thank You von Bucklegifter!
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Brisfit/114.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Brisfit/114.jpg.html)
and the finished product:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Brisfit/115.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Brisfit/115.jpg.html)
I also added a bezel to the compass and used a drop of Future to create a glass effect:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Brisfit/112.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Brisfit/112.jpg.html)
The wing went on very smoothly. The cabanes were CA'ed with the model in the Assembly Jig and at that point, finding the two bay configuration too cumbersome to work inside the jig to add the 8 main wing struts I elected to remove the model from the jig and add the struts from inner to outer on each wing, doing the two inners each side, then the outers. The fit was excellent and no alignment errors are apparent. Great engineering by WNW!
First the cabanes after using the Jig and the upper wing to align them and cement the lower connections, the windscreen was added along with the Aldis Sight to the upper wing as well:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Brisfit/113.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Brisfit/113.jpg.html)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Brisfit/110.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Brisfit/110.jpg.html)
......and a few photos of the upper wing and main struts in place with the rigging in progress. Sequence for rigging was cabanes both sides and front, inner bays in sequence, then to the outer bays. The rigging is a combination of .013 and .010 monofil with .020 mono for the heavier double Flying Wires.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Brisfit/120.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Brisfit/120.jpg.html)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Brisfit/119.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Brisfit/119.jpg.html)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Brisfit/118.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Brisfit/118.jpg.html)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Brisfit/117.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Brisfit/117.jpg.html)
That's the progress to date. I have to take a week off the project to travel to Ontario for my Stepson's Wedding, I guess that's an acceptable excuse for another delay! More to follow in a week or so, all suggestions and comments most welcome and thanks for looking.
Cheers,
Lance
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You're doing some exquisite work here Lance, especially with all of the extra detail you're adding. She's really taking shape now, the difficult work is all done and it won't be long until this beauty is finished. Looking forward to your next update!
Cheers,
Chris
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Really great work Lance :)
It's quite a daunting amount of effort going on there!
Guy
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Lance,
Your doing great work - the amount of rigging would put me off ....................
Regards
Dave
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Excellent update, Lance ;)
Looking forward to the next installment.
Cheers,
Bob
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Nice work Lance!
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Congrats on such a fine modeling. Great stuff!
Cheers
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This is looking just every inch a Biff Lance - its superb!
Best wishes
Nigel
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Well done, Lance. As the last of the Three Musketeers to get the wing on, I'd better get it right when my turn comes! ;D
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Great progress, Lance! The Biff looks amazing with the top wing on and the rigging
work. I can't say enough about your modelling skills. Looking forward to more
updates after your foray into the great eastern wilds. ;) ;D Have a safe trip. :)
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Thanks so much, everyone, for all the positive and encouraging feedback; coming from Folks of your talent and knowledge it means a great deal!
I'm sure I am not alone in spending hours on end laboring away at a project and getting "tunnel vision"; it's great to have other's scrutiny and judgement injected into the process and especially great when validation is provided.
Next update may not come for several weeks as "real life" incurs on my schedule for the next 3 weeks; wedding for 6 days including travel etc. starts tomorrow, back home for 5-6 days and then off on the annual pursuit of the Boreal Moose for 8-10 days of glorious isolation in the wilderness!
Regards to all and thanks again for all the great comments.
Cheers,
Lance :)
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Lance,
I've spent the better part of two beers reading this thread. Quite a job you've made of it. It all looks very well planned out and executed, with each phase meshing seamlessly together. to be honest, it makes some aspects of my build look fumbly. The good thing is I think I've learned a fair bit, which will hopefully be applied to my next build. These are surprisingly big birds once the wings are attached, yours is great to look at.
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Beautiful work on the rigging! You are almost there now. I am Looking forwaed to seeing this one finished!
RAGIII
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Thanks for the positive comments RagIII and Mike. :)
I'm just back and almost done the clean up and follow up to the annual "Moose Pursuit". Bad news terrible weather, good news a decent share of moose meat in the freezer for another year. We have family arriving today for the Canadian Thanksgiving long weekend, I hope to finally get back to this Build on Tues/Weds of next week and add another update.
Mike, if your Build looks "fumbly" then mine must look like a train wreck in progress! I need to look again at your most recent photos; that shading and contrasting of the grey sections would look great on this one if I can master your technique.
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance it`s simply beautiful! Makes me want to build my Blue Max`s or Roden`s Bristol! I`m looking forward to the next update.
Your details are superb!
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Good to have you back, Lance. Happy the trip went well, even without the
weather co-operating. I'm looking forward to your next update on the Biff.
Have a happy Thanksgiving...many turkey wishes to you & yours.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Lance, this build has a lot of subtle detail that takes a bit of looking to find. I may push my Bristol back until after I've done a couple of single seat planes. I can see I need to build up a good stash of rigging supplies!
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Mike,
There's a lot of and some complicated rigging on this beast. For example the cross brace wires between the fuselage and the lower wing in the "gap" between them is a real nasty challenge. I remember Chris Johnson being ecstatic when he finally wrestled that one to the ground and must say I had a near fit before succeeding! It takes a bit of forethought and planning, especially for the flight control wires, to ensure you get it all in and don't interfere with others. I have a plan, now it's the execution. Long forced breaks in the project induced by real life events are not helping the cause, I tend to "lose my place" and have to spend a lot of time just looking at where I am, going over the plans and references again, and trying to visualise the way ahead.
As for the detail that to me is one of the great joys of a build. I add whatever I can and, in this case, have lost track of all the modifications and extras I applied. Some is good, more is pretty rough. I hope with repetition to improve close to "Kong's" standard, whose scratch built additions I greatly admire. I'm sure like me you've thoroughly enjoyed and been inspired by his Ninak.
Your comments are much appreciated; don't hesitate to tackle the Bif, your skills will easily defeat the minor challenges of the design!
Cheers,
Lance
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I should look in more ofter Lance
What a gem
;)
Well done that man . . . Bloody beautiful work Sir
All the best
Dave
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That's looking really good, mate. The bell cranks and compass add some splendid detail, mate.
Dal.
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Hello Lance:
Catching up on the build logs of late. Your Biff is coming along nicely. Thanks for pointing out the rigging between the wing and fuselage. I will be sure to pay attention to that if and when I tackle this kit. It beckons; maybe this winter.
Your work is stellar and your attention to detail and scratchbuilding is truly noteworthy Lance. The bell cranks, the compass etc. All little details to make this bird shine.
Looking forward to seeing you progress.
Best
Mark
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Dave, Dal, Mark, and all those prior, Thanks for your complimentary and motivational comments; as always it's nice to receive encouragement, especially from some of those you consider masters of the trade.
I,ve made some progress over the past few days however my computer crashed so I'm presently taking a few photos as I plod along and will update when the computer is back in place. I'm stuck with my old laptop for now, no pictures nor photo programs on it so it's basic stuff only.
The wing rigging is complete and the cables and cranks for the Radiator Shutters as well. The few hours I had free today were spent on scratching the extended exhausts which are now ready for paint. I'll get some photos on here as soon as the computer returns from the hospital, great machines I hear, they save you time and effort!?!?? >:( >:(
Cheers,
Lance
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Looking forward to seeing your progress photos with the rigging now completed. Sorry to hear about your computer crashing, wonderful machines when working well but a pain in the backside when things go wrong.
Des.
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I hope your computer woes are finished soon, Lance. It will be great to see more
progress photos of the Biff. You scratch work is superb and inspiring to me. Thanks
for a really enjoyable build log, my friend.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Another "photoless" update; the computer is back from the hospital however I'm still struggling to get some of the programs back to working order; significantly I still have had no luck with the photo programs and can't download from my camera!
I'm at the tail end (literally) of the rigging portion, have the extended exhausts mounted, and have all but completed the weathering using pastels and some wash type oil stains here and there. The tail skid is now complete with the addition of the spring wire retaining ring on the bungee component, another add on that despite being estimated as a ten minute job took several hours and three tries to get right!
Hopefully I'll get my photo capability up and running by the time she's complete, a day or so hence? I'd like to beat Gary (Trackpad) to the finish line on our mini Group Build of the Bif however at my snail's pace there are no guarantees...............
Cheers, and Thanks for your patience!
Lance ::)
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Hello Lance,
Just catching up on your build. Sorry for that.
What can I say, I simply like it all. Your cabin is great, details fantastic, wonderfull seat, engine is terrific, shading very nice, propeller outstanding, rigging extremely well done. No need to say that I like it very much. This is a great build. And I hope that your picture-problems will soon be over.
Kind regards
Patrick
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Computer ills can be such a pain, eh Lance? Even so, by the sound of it you are
progressing pretty well on the Biff. The pastels you use...are they oils? I have to
sympathise with you about quick little jobbies...there ain't no such animule! ;) ;D
Keep up the good work and let us know how it's coming along, my friend.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Lance, Glad you are back on the road to recovery from the crash! my computer quit communicating with my camera a couple of years ago. Had to start using a SD card! I know how frustrating a malfunction is. Sounds as though you are progressing well and I look forward to when you are able to post photos!
RAGIII
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Patrick, Thanks for the nice comments, means a great deal when others offer encouragement. This has been a long project mostly due to the delays induced by "real life" events but also it's not a simple design and AMS in the form of neurotic detailing ambitions has a firm grip on me most of the time! I hope to finish her no later then the weekend; it's the frustrating computer issues that cause me grief at this stage. Hopefully we can get things back to normal, post some photos, and I can get serious on deciding on the next project.
Ernie, I use Chalk Pastels as recommended by Bud (the wily Coyote) What I really like about them is if you don't like the results most if not all of the application can be wiped off with a damp cloth or paper towel. Nothing fancy, I got a very basic pack of them from Staples for under $10 and other then the black which can be bought separately there's enuff that I'll be leaving most behind for my estate sale!
RAG III, you got that so right! I swear the most vexing thing in my tiny world is computer glitches; my ignorance of the technical side doesn't help! My Gawd, I used to fly a computer based aircraft for a living and that was just fine; how come a simple Desktop can reduce me to tears of frustration!?!? Seriously, I may have to look at another option as you suggest, I can't believe how much I rely on the bloody thing and how often it lets me down. >:(
Hopefully the solution comes soon!
Cheers,
Lance
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I finally (for "I" read SWMBO) got the cursed photo program working on the computer this morning so I'll start a series of updates "to get to where I'm at" as they say in far Eastern Canada.
First, the extended exhausts which was one of the ways McKeever's A-7288 differed from the WNW Kit. I had collected a large number of plastic straws and tubing hoping to match the scale size of the extensions but to no avail. Chris Johnson had used heavy gauge electrical wire which was my back-up plan however I stumbled on some cheap basically "no-name" Q-Tips (Cotton Buds) with hollow plastic stems that matched very well. They were too short when trimmed however using round tooth picks for inside joiners the three piece component went together very nicely.
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The ends of the Kit exhaust part had to be very carefully bent using heat to ensure proper alignment and spacing of the long extensions, this took more then just a few nervous attempts!
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Again, using a heated metal "pick" the ends were flared and considerable filling and sanding followed to complete the job.
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The spacers/hangers were made from steel wire and, after spraying with Alclad II Burnt Iron and Exhaust Manifold to get the varied tones I was after some thinned Model Master Enamel "Rust" was applied very sparingly.
Here they are installed.
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At this point she was ready for completion of the wing and flight control rigging. That will be my next update once I get some better photos shot and loaded to Photo Bucket hopefully later today.
This Build is nearly completed; I have the tailskid assembly, Lewis Gun and Scharf Ring, and some additions to the cowlings (to be left off) to finish this long project.
Thanks for looking, and all comments / suggestions most welcome!
Cheers,
Lance
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Brilliant work on the exhaust, Lance! This is going to be one stunning Biff when you're finished, and you're almost there!
Cheers,
Bud
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Super stuff with the exhaust Lance. I can't wait to see the final thing.
Best wishes
Nigel
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Brilliant Lance.. ;)
Guy
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Bud, Nigel and Guy,
Thanks for the positive feedback, much appreciated as always.
This update will hopefully get this Thread up to date; I hope to be finished this weekend if all keeps going smoothly.
First a couple of quick shots of the rigging on the wings:
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Lots of cleaning up and touch ups to be done.............
Now a bunch of shots of the empennage and flight control wire rigging..........
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With the completion of the rigging I added a small amount of weathering consisting of minimal oil staining down the C/L using very thinned down Tamiya Smoke with a little yellow added and "European Dirt" powdered pigment to dirty up and slightly stain the wheels and bottom surfaces where the wheels would throw mud and dirt.
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Next in sequence came the tailskid. I had two minor add-ons/substitutes to do. The spring wire retainer that holds the bungees in place on the assembly was added using steel wire and the supporting side member frames were replaced with streamlined brass tubing, "Strutz" for strength and admittedly to replace the originals I broke literally every time I looked in their direction! I still have to go back, add a little thick CA to the joints to smooth them out and paint the frames.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Brisfit/IMG_2204.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Brisfit/IMG_2204.jpg.html)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Brisfit/IMG_2196.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Brisfit/IMG_2196.jpg.html)
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Only a few more steps to complete. I haven't added the last bracing wires (from the forward engine mounts to the upper inner-bay wing struts); I've noted on a few photos that these had to be detached to remove the engine cowlings so I'll probably leave them attached at the wings, coiled up, and left on the ground or wings per the photos. As mentioned I have to clean up and paint the tailskid supports and do a general touchup/cleanup.
Once the foregoing is complete the only steps left are to add the Scharf Ring and Lewis Gun (Completed except for the bungee cords on the Ring/Gun mechanism.) I want to try it however have no clue whatsoever how........ and do a little work on the engine cowling panels that will be "posed' on the ground around the aircraft. That'll be tomorrow after a good stiff whiskey tonight and hopefully long sleep!
Last, I purchased a large sheet of Poster Board for the completed photos later, hopefully it will result in better then my usual "Mister Bean" attempts at photography! More to follow real soon, and Thanks for looking!
Cheers,
Lance ;)
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This is going to be a stunner, no doubt about it. I will wait patiently until you are done with your whiskey and your sleep ;)
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All your hard work and patience has certainly paid off Lance, she is very striking, You have done a brilliant job with the rigging and your exhaust extension technique is excellent. The overall finish on this model is superb and the pre-shading is perfect, you have created a real show piece with this model.
Des.
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Des and Prze,
Coming from true Masters of the Modeller's Art like you two Guys I am seriously honored by your comments. Think I'll have a humble period and perhaps an extra few drops of the nectar of the Highlands tonight!
Thanks so much,
Cheers,
Lance :) :) :)
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Amazing. There's so many details in your model.
The post shading it's very nicely achieved, the weathering from the exhausts and wheels on the lower wing and tail is superb and the rigging it's first class.
Lovely model Lance. Simply perfect!
Cheers
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Bloody, Awesome, Lance! I think I just may have a Bristol rear end fetish.
Cheers,
Bud
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You're putting on a clinic, buddy! Great stuff!
LT
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I don't know where to start, The Painting and shading, the rigging, the work on the exhaust, the tail struts, did I forget anything other than Friggin Awesome!
RAGIII
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A true marvel to the eye, Lance ;)
Nearly there!
Well done!!
Bob
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Ingenious work on the exhausts, Lance! 8) The photos were worth waiting for.
You have a gorgeous model there, my friend. I am bowled over by your
stunning attention to detail. When I get too cocky, I'll just have a boo at yours
to see how it's really done! ;) ;D Looking forward to the completed photos.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Hello Lance,
What an astonishing build this is. Your skills are really fabulous.
Kind regards
Patrick
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Truly inspiring work Lance! The exhaust fabrication was ingenious. I love practical solutions to modeling problems that involve household items. ;). Your finish on the exhausts is the best I've seen. It looks like heat-oxidized metal to me! Thanks for sharing your technique. Can you give us a little more detail on how you applied the metalizers and pigments to achieve such a great look? Thanks.
Very well done my friend! ;D
Regards,
Bob
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Zabu to Patrick and the 6 or 7 in between; Thank you all for the tremendous comments, I feel like I'm on a roll however, judging by today's results with the Scarff Ring Bungees, I know that's not quite the case! I'm going to complete it and lightly tack it onto the mount, maybe go back and redo it later however I'm worried it may not survive as the PE and the plastic are very delicate. If Kong is watching how did you do them on your Ninak? I've used 6 pound Test mono fishing line as it is the right thickness however it's a B&^%^$ to work with, very hard to contour around the rollers etc.
Photos soon I hope! Thank you again, All, for the tremendously positive and encouraging comments, means a great deal considering the sources!!
Cheers,
Lance
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Looking great, Lance. Looks like the second of the Three Musketeers will be across the Finish Line in short order! ;D
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Wow Lance - it's time for the jaw to drop again!
Is there a collective noun for high quality Brisfits? We seem to have need at the moment.
Best wishes
Nigel
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Thank You Nigel!
Well, with the exception of the two "removed for maintenance" wires from the upper front bay to the forward engine bearers and some posing of the removed engine cowlings, she's done!
The Scarff Ring and Lewis are mounted. I added the bungees to the Scarff Ring as stated earlier, in retrospect I'd trade off the scale thickness of the mono for ease of assembly using a much lighter mono next time. I also added the front vane sight and wind/drag compensator vane to the front of the Lewis and the rear Ring Sight as well from the PE Spares Box.
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Man, that Machro mode is brutal on the pride! I see some dusting will be in order before the Completed Photos are taken...........
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The last Kit part added was the tiny Prop for the Fuel Pump, a great occasion for sure!
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At this point she's been placed into the display case pending some serious photo work tomorrow, I'll install the two disconnected bracing wires prior. I'll save my comments on the Kit and the build in general until I post the completed photos tomorrow.
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Cheers,
Lance
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She's looking spectacular Lance, can't wait to see all the completed model photos.
Des.
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Truly inspiring work Lance! The exhaust fabrication was ingenious. I love practical solutions to modeling problems that involve household items. ;). Your finish on the exhausts is the best I've seen. It looks like heat-oxidized metal to me! Thanks for sharing your technique. Can you give us a little more detail on how you applied the metalizers and pigments to achieve such a great look? Thanks.
Very well done my friend! ;D
Regards,
Bob
Bob,
No really complicated process at all. Once they were filled and sanded I sprayed on a coat of Alclad II Grey Primer and an hour later several quick misty coats of Burnt Iron. Once that was dry I sprayed here and there with their Exhaust Manifold covering roughly 75% of each pipe & manifold portion as well to provide a variety of "tones". Once dry I used a thin dry brushed Model Master "Rust" enamel on the portions that showed it appearing on the TVAL Photos, just a bit on the inside manifold curves and at the end of the exhaust pipe.
Hope this answers your question.
Cheers,
Lance
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Superb model. Really fantastic craftsmanship.
Cheers
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Excellent work, Lance! Two down, one to go! :)
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Lance, that is a serious piece of "raising the bar" work. The part I really like, is the part where I get to keep looking for wee details, and keep finding them. Really good stuff there.
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Lance.
Gorgeous model, I admire the precision of its construction.
Adam.
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Take a bow, Lance! You have come up with a magnificent model. It really
shows the talents you have as a modeller. Already I am looking forward
to your next project. Thanks for sharing this build, my friend.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Congratulations on the completion of a truly exceptional Biff, Lance. Brilliant craftsmanship all around. You can be rightly proud of this one, buddy.
Cheers,
Bud
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Hello Lance,
I can't say enough how wonderfull this aeroplane is to look at. What a perfection all the way. Many many congratulations!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Photos of the finished model can be found here;
http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=2523.0