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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: FAf on October 20, 2019, 07:35:15 AM
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While I keep working on my two test models - the D.III and D.V in 1/48 scale - I did take out my third semi-built Albatros. The idea with this one was to utilise the lessons learnt from the other two as well as any other good ideas borrowed from places like this forum, but having looked at it again I realise that I need some tips and advice to get it past the finish line... first some pictures from the build so far.... actually quite a few pictures, so I'll post a few at the time - internal wood first.
I really like the look of the Albatros, so therefore I got Wingnut's Jasta 5 trilogy when it came and the first build was set to be Leutnant Wolf's aircraft with the blue and white diamonds.
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image082.jpg)
First try on the internal wood. I was a bit lazy and thought that I could leave the ejector marks. I later realised that that was a bad idea and scraped them off.
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image085.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image119.jpg)
Some other pieces of wood, most of which will never be seen but with which I'm really happy. At the same time I suppose that the woodgrain is a bit out of scale.
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image091.jpg)
Next time some other bits and pieces from the inside.
/Fredrik
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Good morning!
Some more pictures. Fuel tank and ammunition bins.
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image117.jpg)
Cockpit done. I used Uschi's leather decals for the seat. I can probably improve on my technique using them, but it turned out ok. The kit seatbelts - can they be fitted?! I couldn't manage that as long as the crosswise belt was on, so I ended up cutting it away to have two separate shoulder straps.
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image118.jpg)
And everything installed.
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image141.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image144.jpg)
/Fredrik
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Excellent work on all of the interior! I had the same issue with the belts. I had a spare set from an old build that worked perfectly.
RAGIII
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Looks great so far. The wood is excellent. Is it done with oils?
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Your wood grain did come out good. I am glad to see you addressed the ejector pin marks. If they are deep, I fill them with thick CA glue to make quick work of them. The leather seat looks fine.
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Looking good Fredrik. :D
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I will be watching this one with great interest, I have Rowan's set for Ltn Wolf but have not been brave enough to use them yet.
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Following along on this journey ;)
Terri
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Looks great so far. The wood is excellent. Is it done with oils?
Thanks Albert! Yes, it is. It's a long while since I did it though, so I don't really remember what base colour and oil colours I used. My guess would be Gunze Radome or Sail for the base colour and the oils a mix of burnt sienna and something lighter than that. Ohh, the engine bearers must have a darker base colour... I think. :P/F
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Your wood grain did come out good. I am glad to see you addressed the ejector pin marks. If they are deep, I fill them with thick CA glue to make quick work of them. The leather seat looks fine.
Thanks! I'll try the CA on the next ejector pin mark I come across. Promise! /F
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Thank you Juan, Scott and Terri! It feels good to have you on board!
Scott - I only have the kit decals and I'm sure Rowan's decals might be better, but there are other possibilities... wait and see. /Fredrik
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Work on any kind of model has been slow so I'll keep posting some images of the work previously done on this one. We are slowly approaching the stage where I'm stuck at the moment... Engine pictures this time.
Ok, there are a few non-engine related bits and pieces here, but this is my usual approach to priming and painting.
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image120.jpg)
The plane is going to have the engine closed up later, but I took the opportunity to detail a little anyway. One of those sparkplugs might be visible... they are made of Albion Alloys tubes of two different sizes.
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image137.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image138.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image139.jpg)
/Fredrik
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Very fine work on the power plant, Fredrik!
Cheers,
Bud
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Very nice job!
With a WNW D.v on the horizon for me...I'll follow this one with great interest. :)
Robin
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That engine is super, the spark plugs are almost unbelievable!
Stephen.
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yes, the engine is really super!
well done!
ciao
edo
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Very fine work on the power plant, Fredrik!
Cheers,
Bud
I agree with My Amigo 100%
RAGIII
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Thank you all for your kind words... You did see that I forgot to remove that mold line on the copper pipe, didn't you?! :D
More pictures and now we move to fuselage and painting. Many of you probably know about the blue diamond pattern on Wolf's aircraft (otherwise you can see a drawing of it on the first picture in this thread, or google it) and here's my approach to that - no decals needed...
Fuselage closed and some areas masked off...
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image145.jpg)
I had this idea that i would simulate the underlying wood, hence the desert yellow and the pencils in the picture. I believe someone else here might have provided the inspiration for that idea, can't remember who though. It turned out to be more or less a waste of time. After that everything was painted white.
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image146.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image148.jpg)
Looking at the decals and pictures of the aircraft I realised that there are parallel ribbons going around the fuselage and that the diamonds are created from a sort of spiralling strand from front to back. So masks going around the fuselage where placed first.
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image155.jpg)
After having marked the spacing at the rearmost and foremost masking I then placed the spiralling tape lengths - a lot of eyeballing involved in that... The forward and aft diamonds are, according to Wingnuts decals, not connected and therefore the slant of the masking is different.
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image156.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image157.jpg)
And finally everything in between the thin strips of masking tape and anything else not meant to be blue was also masked off.
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image158.jpg)
I'm still catching up with my own work, so everything so far was done a while back and that includes colour as well but you'll have to wait until tomorrow Swedish time anyway. Good night!
/Fredrik
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The mummy of Albihotep V. :o
Robin ;)
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Amazing! I don't think I have ever seen anyone Mask and Spray this scheme! Looking AWESOME :o
RAGIII
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I must say, you are dedicated!
I have always believed that masking is an art in itself.
Looking forward to seeing this one in paint.
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great job so far ...
I approve your decision to paint the diamon pattern. Surely it will give a better result
Ps you had the same idea and doubt ... if you can see the grain of the wood under the paint. I have yet to decide but it is also true that I have to use only the red color
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The mummy of Albihotep V. :o
Robin ;)
;D Most of my builds end up as mummies at one point or another, or actually several times during a build. I am scared to death of overspray!
Thank you for your comments RAGIII, Kensar and Nannolo!
Why do I mask things rather than use decals?! Well, in part because I think decals bring with them their own difficulties and problems that can be avoided by masking instead. And in part because there is an immense reward waiting for you when you remove the masking and see the result. I firmly believe that masking isn't more difficult than using decals, but it might require more patience and preciseness. So I agree with Kensar saying that "masking is an art in itself", but remember that so is using decals.
Anyway... here are some more pictures...
Blue colour sprayed all around and then masking tape removed. I tried to save the masking tape as I use quite a lot of that thin rather expensive Aizu tape.
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image172.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image173.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image174.jpg)
After that everything needs to be repeated as you only can mask every other diamond at the time. The tricky thing in this second phase is to place the tape exactly where it should go on the already painted diamonds. So masks, blue colour, remove masks... and success... almost...
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image175.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image176.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image178.jpg)
This is when you discover that part about being patient and meticulous... and the main problem was that I know had to cover blue with white and that would mean a different white shade on some diamonds. But still, success I think!
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image179.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image180.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image188.jpg)
So now we've almost cought up with the build. A few more pictures are waiting.
/Fredrik
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Oh, another mistake I had to correct was that I managed to place the masking tape on the wrong side in some places and that created too narrow and too wide bands of diamonds. That too had to be corrected. You can see the two wider bands, one just touching the overside of the wing attachment cut out and the other one two bands above that. /F
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image180.jpg)
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Great work! A very brave attempt and wonderfully executed. Hats off!
Andreas
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Fantastic job!
Robin :)
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Picking up jaw off the floor, wow, you have the patience of a Saint. Fantastic all around. :D
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Awe inspiring.
Gene K
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You are Now the King of Diamonds ;D Incredible results!
RAGIII
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Well your efforts paid off rather well with the masking , well done :)
Terri
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Picking up jaw off the floor, wow, you have the patience of a Saint. Fantastic all around. :D
I'll second that assessment! Earlier when you started this exercise I saw disaster in the making; to the contrary you've executed this beautifully! My sincere compliments, a very talented and beautifully executed demonstration of your modelling skills and a spectacular model in the making!
Cheers,
Lance
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Fantastic masking and painting. I can't even mask a simple strip without some bleeding.
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Quite the masking job - and great results for sure.
Cheers,
Gary
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(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image178.jpg)
I really love that picture! I do not expected such impressive great result, yaw dropping!
Really pitty for the small mistakes, I hope you will be able to recover them without to much effort.
Cheers,
Frank
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Thank you all for your kind comments!!!
great job so far ...
I approve your decision to paint the diamon pattern. Surely it will give a better result
Ps you had the same idea and doubt ... if you can see the grain of the wood under the paint. I have yet to decide but it is also true that I have to use only the red color
I've decided against the idea that plywood woodgrain would be visible through anything but clear varnish in 1/32 scale. I'm also not good enough at making the woodgrain for it to look realistic in the first place. But that's just my opinion.
I really love that picture! I do not expected such impressive great result, yaw dropping!
Really pitty for the small mistakes, I hope you will be able to recover them without to much effort.
Cheers,
Frank
Don't worry Frank, I managed to sort it out. In the picture below you can see some extra white diamonds, they are the repainted ones. Though you might have to look hard. It's more visible in real life.
This is one paint job I find really tricky, to paint something white on top of a partially white background. I think you inevitably end up with different shades of white! I'll come back to this problem...
/Fredrik
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image187.jpg)
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it tourned out to be a beauty!
great paint job!
ciao
edo
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Beautiful and impressive work. Outstanding!
Bye,
Manni
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Hi!
Patience at higher level!
The result is outstanding!
I have same subject to build in 72nd scale, but I don't think that I will do the same....too little!
Great job!
Roberto
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Awesome Fredrik!
That can’t be easy!
Guy
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For someone who thinks it's already an achievement to mask and paint a single fuselage band (me :-[)...this is incredible.
Robin :)
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Those little errors add charm to the build you know ...Not a easy scheme to mask and you pulled it off pretty damn good Robin . I do have to ask though , do you still have hair left ?
Terri
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Great job, Fredrik! I agree with Terri - the small errors make it 'real'. And makes it 'your' model.
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Great job, Fredrik! I agree with Terri - the small errors make it 'real'. And makes it 'your' model.
I would also agree — if I could find any errors. A perfect paint job in my eyes, one to be really proud of!
Andreas
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Thank you Edo, Andreas, Kensar, Terri, Guy, Robin, Roberto and Manni!
Just to address some of your comments - masking like this isn't easy, but it's not difficult either. Patience is the key, but there are a few other smaller keys as well. One other key is that you need to be precise and still accept that it won't be perfect. I agree with Terri and Kensar about the "mistakes" adding character and personality. One should also remember that the real aircraft probably wasn't that perfect either. Imagine painting that pattern when you can't handle the aircraft and look at it from all angles!
Andreas; Thanks for reminding me to be pleased with the job. I am really proud of the work so far, but is there really such a thing as a perfect paint job?! Perfection is an illusion isn't it? And yet we strive towards it! :)
Terri; I suppose it's my hair and not Robin's you're worried about... ;) Mine is still in place, although I do worry about it from time to time. I also think that the problem comes as any build progresses. The longer you come, the more things will be destroyed if you mess something up. So maybe the hair will come off as I'm trying to fit the wings or do the rigging?!
Robin; There is nothing easy about fuselage bands. Very narrow masking tape and good eyes help! And if you can do one band, then you can do many and my paintjob here is really just a lot of single bands, right?!
Roberto; I dare you to try in 72nd scale! But I too think it might be just too small.
/Fredrik
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Last bunch of pictures before blog and build are at the same spot.
I like to paint as much as possible and think that markings, as a rule, should be painted on if it's possible.
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image189.jpg)
I went with WNW's suggestion for the green on the tail. The red outline was sprayed using Tamiya's flexible 2 mm tape. First as a guide and then as masking inside that.
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image190.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image191.jpg)
And now just a few different stages...
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image192.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image193.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image194.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image195.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image199.jpg)
(https://sites.google.com/site/fafplasticmodels/test-1/wingnut-wings/albatros-dv---1/image200.jpg)
And now we have caught up! In the next post I've got some questions about how to move forward... tomorrow maybe.
Thanks for lookin in!
/Fredrik
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Wow....you're the Master of Masking. :o
Spectacular!
Robin :)
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Thanks for lookin in!
Fredrik, thanks for showing!
Are those masks for the crosses self made on a foil cutter plotter? Another reason for such a machine ...
Cheers,
Frank
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Tail turned out not to bad at all Fredrik , I like it , like it a lot actually . I haven't had the pleasure of trying out Tamiya's white tape . Hobby shops here don't carry it . What was it like working with the tape ?
Terri
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This is the art of masking at its best. I'm still trying to get better at basic masking and your photos and descriptions are very helpful. Thank you for posting them.
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Terri, the white tape is for curves and behaves different to the yellow paper tape.
Search for "Tamiya Masking Tape for Curves", here are the numbers:
(https://www.modellingtools.co.uk/ekmps/shops/littlecars/images/tamiya-5mm-masking-tape-for-curves-12792-p.jpg)
Source: www.modellingtools.co.uk
Cheers,
Frank
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Thanks for lookin in!
Fredrik, thanks for showing!
Are those masks for the crosses self made on a foil cutter plotter? Another reason for such a machine ...
Cheers,
Frank
Hi Frank!
Yes, the masks are homemade, using a Silhuette Cameo 2 plotter. I'm sure the machine can do more things than just paintmasks but I've never tried...
/Fredrik
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Tail turned out not to bad at all Fredrik , I like it , like it a lot actually . I haven't had the pleasure of trying out Tamiya's white tape . Hobby shops here don't carry it . What was it like working with the tape ?
Terri
Hi Terri!
The curvy tape has its uses but also some problems I think. With the red outline on the tail, I decided on a 2mm width because I had that white Tamiya tape and it worked really well to place that along the outer edges. I then took more white tape and placed it right next to the first strip. No real problems there at all.
You do see that the tape is quite thick and that in the sharper bend on the rudder it couldn't quite settle down, and here is a problem I think. The way I used it I wanted the nice crisp edges of the tape. As far as I've understood it, you are supposed to stretch the tape before use. That allows for a much more flexible tape and it also adheres better to the surface. BUT if you stretch it you loose the nice straight edges... which could be a problem in some cases. So I'm happy to have the roll of tape in my drawer, but I only rarely use it. I usually go for normal masking tape instead and narrower kinds (0,3 to 1 mm) if I need to mask curves of different kinds.
/Fredrik
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This is the art of masking at its best. I'm still trying to get better at basic masking and your photos and descriptions are very helpful. Thank you for posting them.
Thank you Albert! I'm really happy if you can pick something up from my posts! Ask away if there is anything you wonder and experiment and practice. In the end that is the only way you actually will get better at masking. Best of luck!
/Fredrik
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Brilliant work on all of the Markings. Your Masking is second to none!
RAGIII
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I have some of the Tamiya white tape also. As Fredrik says it has some limitations. It is just like vinyl automotive pin striping, but the adhesive is not as aggressive. I have used the pin striping for masking on model cars for years.
Looks like spraying the white color over the black edges of the crosses was not a problem?
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I'm a fan of the Tamiya tape for curves however as mentioned it's a little thick for some smaller applications. I find the 2 and 3 mm stock the most useful. For Terri a good Canadian source is Sunward Hobbies in Toronto; great prices, same day shipping (free on orders over $60) and arrives in my PO Box in a week or less! Highly recommended. (I have no association with Sunward)
https://www.sunwardhobbies.ca/
Cheers,
Lance
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Looks like spraying the white color over the black edges of the crosses was not a problem?
No, but mostly because it's not done that way. I try to make the masks so that each area is only sprayed once. Therefore the white is sprayed next to but not on the black.
This creates a problem in some cases. When painting white over a multi-coloured background it's difficult to get an even coverage and you are then tempted to lay on more colour, which might end up too thick or runny. You can see a bit of this if you look closely at the left side of the port fuselage cross.
In my other build with the Eduard D.V which has a white rudder and a yellow and green fin, I simply didn't paint the white outline on the already white rudder and I thought that to be solution. However, after your statement/question Kensar, I now think that it might be better some times to first spray the white areas with some darker more opaque colour and then white on top of that. This should work fine, as my experience is that white on top of darker colours isn't that tricky as long as the contrasts between underlying colours are small.
Sorry! Longer answer than I thought and maybe not that clear?!
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Thanks for the reply. I can understand it. I have limited experience painting national symbols on aircraft, but have had to do it and I wondered how you handled the potential for paint color showing through and how thick the paint layers become after painting 3 or more colors on top of each other.
I am interested in one of those pattern cutters and wanted to know what type of masking sheet do you use? Something that is made by the cutter company? I have also seen sheets of Tamiya masking tape material, but they are expensive.
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Yes, the masks are homemade, using a Silhuette Cameo 2 plotter. I'm sure the machine can do more things than just paintmasks but I've never tried...
Thank you Fredrik, so my guess was right. The plotter comes on my wish list for next Christmas! ;D
Cheers,
Frank
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Thanks for the reply. I can understand it. I have limited experience painting national symbols on aircraft, but have had to do it and I wondered how you handled the potential for paint color showing through and how thick the paint layers become after painting 3 or more colors on top of each other.
I am interested in one of those pattern cutters and wanted to know what type of masking sheet do you use? Something that is made by the cutter company? I have also seen sheets of Tamiya masking tape material, but they are expensive.
I use a vinyl mask film made by Artool called Ultra Mask, which I've been buying from The Airbrush Company, based in the UK. I think it actually is an American product, so I don't think you'll have any problems finding a supplier closer to home. The vinyl is easy to work with, virtually no shrinkage, etc. Simply ideal for model purposes.
/Fredrik
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Brilliant Masking and painting! Truly Lovely results!
RAGIII
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Thank you RAGIII!
So, I'm taking small steps towards attaching the wings, but find it scary. Those struts are really delicate!
Question: When I've tried to dry fit the wings, the lower ones seem to be be dropping off a little and it then seems as if the outer struts don't really reach the upper wing. Are there any tricks I should be aware of when it comes to attaching the wings on my Albatros?! Do I glue the struts with liquid cement, super glue or epoxy glue?
/Fredrik
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A jig can be a big help in setting the top wing accurately,I struggled with this step for years until I worked this out.I tend to use Tamiya Thin glue but I also use structural rigging which really stiffens up the model.
Dave.
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Thanks Dave!
I've got a jig of sorts and will try to use it. I just glued the bottom wings in place and will just test my way forward from there.
/Fredrik
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Albatros%20D.V%20Ltn%20Wolf/image445.jpg)
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Fantastic work, Fredrik! All around an exceptional beautiful model.
Andreas
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Man , I really love that scheme , awesome job so far !
Terri
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That looks fantastic.
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Such a beauty. :)
Robin
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Really Exceptional work! Looking forward to seeing this one as a Bi Plane!
RAGIII
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Fredrik,
The complexity and your execution of the finish on this one are mind blowing, you are really going to new heights on this model. A pleasure to follow your progress and a truly enjoyable experience to view these exceptional results! :) 8)
Cheers,
Lance
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Amazing results on such a complicated scheme - hats off to you!
Cheers,
Gary
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Thanks for kind words and praise! Let's see if we can get this model finished... I am in need of some helpful answers on a few different issues, see below picture.
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Albatros%20D.V%20Ltn%20Wolf/IMG_20191127_214020.jpg)
[edit: changed the wording a bit...]
One: I decided to fix [edit: glue] the cabane struts. When dry fitting I kept running into the same problem. Either I could get the left cabane struts in place correctly or the left interplane strut, not both simultaneously. So I think I will glue the upper wing to the cabane struts first and then use the rigging to gently pull the wing so that I can get the interplane struts in place. All I think I need to do is pull the front of the wing down a bit, because it's just that forwardmost bit that won't meet the upper wing. Do you follow my idea and does it sound doable?!
Two: On my other Albatroses I weathered and sprayed the final semi-flat layer before attaching the upper wing. Is that how others do it or do you wait with these stages until the end? Surely it must be a lot easier to finish the bits before assembly and rigging...
Three: And surely there is something wrong with the representation of where the control cables exit the fuselage towards the towards the top of the elevator? Any ideas on how to fix that?
All the best!
/ Fredrik
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Nice work, Fredrik. I don't think there is any 'correct' order for painting or assembling. I usually do what seems easiest.
What is wrong with the elevator cable path?
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Nice work, Fredrik. I don't think there is any 'correct' order for painting or assembling. I usually do what seems easiest.
What is wrong with the elevator cable path?
I might just do it a way and see what happens then!
There are just two squares on the topside where I suppose the control wires should exit. On the bottom side there are oval exits with slightly raised detail. Looking at pictures it seems as if there should be similar oval fairings on top.
Fredrik
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The Square indentations are incorrect as you surmised. If I recall correctly you should have an exit port with a slightly oval shape. Be careful putting pressure on the upper wing. Many Great Modelers have snapped the cabanes or twisted them out of shape.
RAGIII
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Wow - I'm disappointed I didn't find this thread earlier
Wow!
Richard
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Welcome to tag along Richard! I'll try and not keep this in the "almost there"-state ;) for much longer.
The Square indentations are incorrect as you surmised. If I recall correctly you should have an exit port with a slightly oval shape. Be careful putting pressure on the upper wing. Many Great Modelers have snapped the cabanes or twisted them out of shape.
RAGIII
Thanks for the input RAGIII! I've started to fix the exit ports, feels a little strange to do that when almost all the painting has been done... there will have to be some re-touching there. And I'll be very careful with the struts, especially since I'm hardly a great modeller when it comes to attaching upper wings - but I think I've tested the fit so much now that I've got an idea on how to approach. What bugs me is that I can't see why the upper wing just doesn't fall into place! ???
You would have had some pictures of the progress, but my son stole the mouse from "my" computer and the effort stalled at that point. Maybe tonight!?
/Fredrik
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Love it Fredrik,
Great Jig!!
Guy
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Thank you Guy! I got the jig from one in my modelling club. He had bought a 3D-printer and had tried to copy a commercially available product - don't know which. I paid about 5 Euros for it and then recently spent a lot more on new bolts and screws and other things to make it more stable.
Things are moving forward, even if it feels like snail speed. I decided to do some light weathering using just Tamiya's brown panel line wash. It turned out pretty well I think.
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Albatros%20D.V%20Ltn%20Wolf/image448.jpg)
Then I started to spray all parts with semi-gloss varnish having decided not to do anything about those squares on the tail where the control cables exit. here you can see the right half with varnish and the left half without - and those squares...
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Albatros%20D.V%20Ltn%20Wolf/image446.jpg)
Obviously it's impossible to live with the strange squares. They also seem to be too far back. So I decided to fix that and used some reference pictures found here on the forum of what those exit holes could look like instead. It turned out better!
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Next step - finish spraying varnish and then attach top wing!
/Fredrik
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Nice work on the fix of the exit holes!
RAGIII
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Truely amazing!
Andreas
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Fredrik,
My compliments on choosing to re-do those control cable exit holes, they turned out very well. Its such a daunting step to start making changes that penetrate numerous layers of the finish and then re-finish the results, you did it very nicely! This is a terrific Build and the resulting model is spectacular, your added weathering is also very effective and to my eyes much more realistic. Fantastic modelling!
Cheers,
Lance
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Good fix, Fredrik.
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Nice job on the fix Fredrik :)
Terri
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Thanks for the support RAGIII, Andreas, Lance, Ken and Terri! I suppose you're all familiar with the problem of model building?! The further you get in the building process the more there is to ruin and because of that you tend to risk less and less, but how do you evolve as a builder if you don't take risks? The exit ports just had to be fixed, there was no way around that. Next, though, I won't wait until this late stage!
I don't know if this image is from before or after the upper wing was actually glued on, but the result, once I dared use glue, was good. Not too much force used!
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Albatros%20D.V%20Ltn%20Wolf/image451.jpg)
Time to rig that plane! I went with monofilament, home made attachment points and Bob's Buckles for the tubing. A few scary moments when I pulled out several of the attachement points, or when I almost tied a knot on one of the flying wires, but in the end it turned out well. There are a few scratches that I have to deal with later.
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I had left the anchor points off of the wing struts because I thought it would be too tricky to thread them if they were fixed in place. It turned out to be tricky to try and attach the anchor when it was on the wire, so I attached the second anchor before threading and that worked better.
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Next up: wheels! I suppose that the bracing wire should attach to that second "dimple" on the back leg?!
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Albatros%20D.V%20Ltn%20Wolf/image459.jpg)
It might actually be done before 2020 and it looks like I started the build just before the end of 2017!
/Fredrik
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This is coming along very nicely indeed
Richard
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A build to be proud of. Beautiful!
Robin :)
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Love it so far ! Awesome indeed 8) 8) 8)
Terri
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Beautiful work on the rigging! Really looks Awesome!
RAGIII
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This is a great build to follow - excellent work in all aspects. Really enjoying your photos and captions, Frederik!
Cheers,
Gary
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Wonderful! This will be a beauty!
Cheers,
Frank
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Thank you all for your kind and supportive comments! Little bits and pieces have been added and it is now only the propeller that's missing.
I didn't really know how to attach the control wires to the elevator control horns. After looking at different builds and reference pictures I decided to drill holes into which I could glue eyelets and that it actually would look better if the ends of those eyelets were to protrude on the back of the control horns. I used Uschi's elastic rigging for this. Sorry about the strange colours in some of the images, the white balance was a bit off.
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Despite the fact that most of the control wires on the D.V run internally, I thought it necessary to add some very short lengths between the wing and the aileron control horns. Brilliant place to use elastic rigging. Obviously this picture is before the surplus thread was cut away.
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Albatros%20D.V%20Ltn%20Wolf/image462.jpg)
It's starting to look good! 😊 You can, however, see some shiny areas where I've scratched the top surface. It will be corrected later.
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Albatros%20D.V%20Ltn%20Wolf/image467.jpg)
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On to the propeller... I thought I'd have a go at making another paper based effort.
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Albatros%20D.V%20Ltn%20Wolf/image464.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Albatros%20D.V%20Ltn%20Wolf/image465.jpg)
Thanks for watching!
/Fredrik
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Everything you have done with your build is Stunning! Outstanding work on the control horn rigging....and all of the rest!
RAGIII
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Right, that's enough!!
You're actually building a 1:1 replica, aren't you.
;D
What kind of camera are you using, your detail shots are very impressive
Richard
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Brillant !
Terri
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Right, that's enough!!
You're actually building a 1:1 replica, aren't you.
;D
What kind of camera are you using, your detail shots are very impressive
Richard
Thanks for the comments!
Richard: I'm using my 15-16 year old camera for these images. It was my first digital camera and it's still superior when it comes to taking close ups. It a Sony Cyber Shot DSC-F717. It only has 5 megapixels, but a very good Zeiss lens. Apart from that I host my pictures on my on site so there is no additional compression done by a picture hosting site.
Cheers Fredrik
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Your camera does seem to focus nicely on small details and have a good depth of field. How are you lighting your models for photography?
Richard
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Hi FAf,
I see now your outstanding work, this is one of my "one day I will make it" subject.
Your work is fantastic, the fact that you choose to photograph everything from little distance is
dangerous, all the little imperfections came out.
Not in your work, everything is clear and clean.
Much compliments!
Roberto
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Hi FAf,
I see now your outstanding work, this is one of my "one day I will make it" subject.
Your work is fantastic, the fact that you choose to photograph everything from little distance is
dangerous, all the little imperfections came out.
Not in your work, everything is clear and clean.
Much compliments!
Roberto
Thanks Roberto! You are too kind of course! There are imperfections, as on any build I believe, but I've come to realise that a lot of the imperfections you see as the builder are less prominent to other viewers. And, if there were no imperfections, then there would be no room for improvement! :D
/Fredrik
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Your camera does seem to focus nicely on small details and have a good depth of field. How are you lighting your models for photography?
Richard
Hi Richard! Nothing fancy there either. Here is my setup, for a more serious photo session I install a large (A0) white paper on the desk as well, everything else is as seen below.
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Albatros%20D.V%20Ltn%20Wolf/image474.jpg)
So three different light sources plus the general lighting of the room. They are a mixture of LED, halogene and flourescent lights. This is probably something that I could (should) improve quite easily, but it works I believe.
The camera settings on manual - largest possible aperture and a shutter time of around one to two seconds. The biggest benefit of this camera is its ability to really get close to the object. There is a bit of very simple photo editing as well, mostly adjusting the colours and cropping the images.
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/Fredrik
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Closer and closer...
I traced the outline of the desired propeller onto the laminated paper stack and then used my newly purchased scroll saw to cut it out - these are very expensive propellers still... three propellers to date makes for about €30 per piece :o but I hope the scroll saw will be of service for a long time and not just for the purpose of making propellers. The marginal cost for each new propeller will be lower just as economic theory says. :D
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Using a large scalpel I then carved a propeller from the block of paper. It looks good to my eye, but I'm thinking that I should have had just the one light colour instead of two. That change will be for next time though. Now there will be a number of clear coats and sanding. I know the center bit is out of shape, but it will be hidden by the spinner.
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Albatros%20D.V%20Ltn%20Wolf/image472.jpg)
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Albatros%20D.V%20Ltn%20Wolf/image473.jpg)
Take care!
/Fredrik
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I also tend to use my bench lights for illuminating models for pictures - more than one source makes a big difference
I like the white board idea, I may try that. Otherwise, I think the main difference is setting the camera manually
Some ideas to try there - thank you
Richard
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I've been missing several great builds, including this. Painting of your Albatros is magic, along with beautiful details.
Lovely laminated propeller.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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the prop is really super!
i love it!
ciao
edo
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Your attachment of the control wires to the elevator came out exceptionally well. I like the results.
Kudos for making your own prop. Same method I use.
One thing, though. Don't try to economically evaluate and justify your hobby purchases! Just appreciate what you can accomplish!
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The prop is looking Fantastic!
RAGIII
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Thumbs up ! 8)
Terri
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Thank you for stopping by Giuseppe, Edo, Ken, Rick and Terri for your comments AND all those of you who just looked - that is ok too!
Your attachment of the control wires to the elevator came out exceptionally well. I like the results.
Kudos for making your own prop. Same method I use.
One thing, though. Don't try to economically evaluate and justify your hobby purchases! Just appreciate what you can accomplish!
It wasn't really an effort to justify the purchase financially... but you're right about the fact that one should be happy with the results regardless of ambition, skill and amount of machinery used.
The propeller has been given a few more clear coats and I might be able to post pictures of a finished model soon. Since I've painted the model semi-flat (gloss), do you think I should do the same to the propeller?!
/Fredrik
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I typically put a gloss coat on the prop first. Then spray dull coat over the leading edges of the prop. The leading edges will be contacting dirt, sand, and other particles that would wear the varnish off. At least that's my logic for painting props.
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Finally finished! Thank you all for your help and encouragement!
(http://almlof.eu/Wingnut%20Wings/Albatros%20D.V%20Ltn%20Wolf/image604.jpg)
Full set of photographs in the Completed models section.
/Fredrik
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Awesome! I Love your results!
RAGIII
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Beautiful Fredrik, I was so impressed with the prop that read back through the thread to see how it was done. I was amazed to find you made it with paper. My first attempt using it was truly awful. After seeing what can be done I might have to try again. Love the colour scheme too, you must be very pleased with how this has come out.
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Thanks Rick and Richie!
I found the paper route quite straightforward. You have to use enough thin superglue for each lamination to fully cover the propeller area. I took my inspiration from Des' posted tutorial - https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=8688.msg159481#msg159481 (https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=8688.msg159481#msg159481).
/Fredrik
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Great job! It;s a great scheme for the Alb!