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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => What's New => Topic started by: Pup7309 on August 26, 2019, 03:30:02 PM
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Only an engine to go on...could it be an Albatros D3?
http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/productdetail?productid=3206&cat=5
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That's interesting! An Alb. III would actually be very welcome (at least to me)!
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Looks more like an Austro-Daimler rocker cover to me, maybe an Oeffag?
.... or a Star-Strutter?
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Definitely Austro-Daimler. Lots of possible options. An Oeffag D.III would make some sense though - none on the market in this scale, plenty of colourful marking options (I am sure Pheon would adapt their 1/48 decals to 1/32)...
It will still be another good seller in any case.
Cheers,
BC
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It does look like an Austrian-Daimler six cylinder OHCS.
It has the camshaft drive at the front along with the magnetos.
Also there's no visible cooling fins on the cylinders - it has welded steel jackets.
There's also the rectangular valve access/support, which is routed around the top of the cylinders, below the valve gear.
If Wiki is to be believed:
Albatros D.III (Austro-Hungarian version license built by O.E.F. A.G.)
Aviatik B.I
Aviatik B.II
Aviatik D.I
Etrich VII[3]
Hansa-Brandenburg C.I
Hansa-Brandenburg D.I
Lohner C.I
Lohner Type AA
http://www.mincbergr.net/index.php?page=en-ad6-200-hp
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=images+ww1+austrian-daimler+aircraft+engines&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjquau8nqDkAhW9VRUIHSCNAIAQsAR6BAgFEAE&biw=1920&bih=1067#imgrc=_o5PKEgcB8r_cM:
Mike
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Finally something for so many fans of A-H aviation.
I really would like to see Albatros D.III Oef - it is the last but very important bit missing in my mini-collection of aircraft flown by 7th Kosciuszko Squadron under Cedric Faunt-le-roy and Merian Cooper.
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Would be great to see something from A-H aviation, whatever they decide is OK by me. ;D
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I like the potential, and the foregoing logic all points to an A-H subject! A D.III OEF would fly off the shelves in this group and would be my first choice on the wish list! :)
Cheers,
Lance
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It does look like an Austrian-Daimler six cylinder OHCS.
It has the camshaft drive at the front along with the magnetos.
Also there's no visible cooling fins on the cylinders - it has welded steel jackets.
There's also the rectangular valve access/support, which is routed around the top of the cylinders, below the valve gear.
If Wiki is to be believed:
Albatros D.III (Austro-Hungarian version license built by O.E.F. A.G.)
Aviatik B.I
Aviatik B.II
Aviatik D.I
Etrich VII[3]
Hansa-Brandenburg C.I
Hansa-Brandenburg D.I
Lohner C.I
Lohner Type AA
http://www.mincbergr.net/index.php?page=en-ad6-200-hp
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=images+ww1+austrian-daimler+aircraft+engines&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjquau8nqDkAhW9VRUIHSCNAIAQsAR6BAgFEAE&biw=1920&bih=1067#imgrc=_o5PKEgcB8r_cM:
Mike
There’s some more to add to the list:
Albatros D. II (53 Type) — there were just a few, but wouldn’t that be a great choice for WNW to start the early Albatross range?
OEFFAG C. I
OEFFAG C. II
Andreas
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I'd really like to see a new 1/32 Austro-Hungarian, any one will do.
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Would be great to see something from A-H aviation, whatever they decide is OK by me. ;D
+1. Did their flying boats use the Austro Daimler?
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Did the Fokker D.VII MAG use this engine?
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Could this power one of Gottfried Banfield’s seaplanes? :o
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Did the Fokker D.VII MAG use this engine?
This just question or the answer to it may ruin all our hopes... Indeed, MAG's D.VIIs used A-D engines... >:(
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Aviatik, Berg, Phonix, Oeffag – doesn’t matter – any of A-H planes are welcome.
I’m just wonder – this is first time WNW begin announcement with engine only – quite early isn’t it? Original idea or message to dreaming customers or rather to the other few producers? ???
8)
buzby
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Did the Fokker D.VII MAG use this engine?
This just question or the answer to it may ruin all our hopes... Indeed, MAG's D.VIIs used A-D engines... >:(
So, a Fokker D.VII MAG seems probable. And why not? It were a great kit in itself and might be a start for WnW delving into k.u.k.-subjects!
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On the render, the engine is 185 HP Austro Daimler
but for late Fokker D.VII MAG, you would need a 220 HP engine (some call it 225 hp)
so it can not be MAG, IMHO)
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On the render, the engine is 185 HP Austro Daimler
but for late Fokker D.VII MAG, you would need a 220 HP engine (some call it 225 hp)
so it can not be MAG, IMHO)
I read a lot of the types mentioned had 200 hp engines- so they might be out of the running?
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Could be an Aviatik berg d1. There's one here in the technical museum in Vienna that's in pretty good nick. I'd love to see an Albatros DIII with Polish markings.
Cheers.
Andrew
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Could be an Aviatik berg d1. There's one here in the technical museum in Vienna that's in pretty good nick. I'd love to see an Albatros DIII with Polish markings.
Cheers.
Andrew
Already been done by 'HPH Models' in 1:32 scale.
http://shop.hphmodels.cz/en/model-kits-in-scale-132/197-aviatik-berg-di-132.html
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^^Very nice resin offering for a lot of coin. Just because it has been done in resin does not mean WNW will not do the same kit for a much lower price. Many modellers (such as myself) don't even go near resin because of the price, but would jump at something done well as an injection molded kit.
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The Lohner family used the AD engine. I’d like a float plane but how bout this?!
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Lohner_Type_AA_fighter_aircraft_111.01.jpg
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i suspect the reason they posted just the engine is twofold: 1) to let us all know they're not slowing down in spite of queuing up so many spectacular new releases, and 2) to get us doing exactly what we're doing now.
just about any A-H subject would delight me but my first choice would be an OEFFAG D.III, i'd need at least 3 (Arigi, Brumowski and Kiss).
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hope it's not a Star Strutter we don't need two.
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My hunch is that its tipping the nod to CSM that WNW are planning a Starstrutter as they heard they are working on one. Hence CSM now show how far they are along with their CAD.
Best solution- CSM Starstrutter and WNW Oeffag DIII. IMHO.
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My hunch is that its tipping the nod to CSM that WNW are planning a Starstrutter as they heard they are working on one. Hence CSM now show how far they are along with their CAD.
Best solution- CSM Starstrutter and WNW Oeffag DIII. IMHO.
+1, was thinking that very thought.
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correct me if i'm wrong but there aren't that many planes used the 185HP.
early OEFFAG Albatros, Lohner AA, Star Strutter, early Berg D.I....
any more?
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hope it's not a Star Strutter we don't need two.
The Starstrutter has Never been on My Radar but... If WNW and CSM release one I will buy the CSM kit just to support the Little Guys 8) May be Heretical for the WNW Fans but it is how I feel ;D
RAGIII
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hope it's not a Star Strutter we don't need two.
The Starstrutter has Never been on My Radar but... If WNW and CSM release one I will buy the CSM kit just to support the Little Guys 8) May be Heretical for the WNW Fans but it is how I feel ;D
RAGIII
same here. i'll have more than one (i have a thing about Austro Hungarian aces) but they'll all be CSM.
part of it's supporting the little guys, part of it's that these little guys are as good as WNW. on the other hand i'd wait for the WNW Lancaster over the HK Models one, because it's significantly better (the stressed skin effect in particular impresses me).
as much as i love WNW i don't feel like we modelers win if they're the only game in town, and CSM totally nailed the Nieuport 17.
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CSM has shown to me that they are no worse than on par with the efforts of WNW thus far with their beautiful kits of the Nieuport 17. BTW, their new 1/48 scale kits are really nice, too.
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another part appeared in the Austro-Hungarian puzzle, in addition to the engine there was a casket with a Schwarzlose...
Hansa Brandenburg C.I ??
8)
buzby
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Could still be the HB D.I, couldn't it?
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Surely it is a Hansa Brandenburg D.1?
It’s got the overwing machine gun seated in a fairing as per the Wingnut’s image? Or am I missing something or are there other aircraft with this feature?
Guy
(https://i.postimg.cc/X7Jzbsv9/3956-BD83-5-AA9-42-D7-9-AAC-D48-E3-BDFA46-E.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/tCZNkwTv/97-E7-B688-DC98-4-D8-B-A9-D3-976-B767-EC025.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VdwtL7XX)
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hopefully not H-B D.I ...
I wish it would be H-B C.I or Knoller C.II (with Austro-Daimler 160/185HP)
8)
buzby
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Ooh, I like the HB C.I...
(https://i.postimg.cc/G3xFbfh9/E75-AA4-A0-C8-D2-4241-A489-8-FD76636-A590.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Guy
Ps fingers crossed it’s not a D.1 since the CSM announcement...
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With the 'baby coffin' swarloze machiune gun added to the mix, it most certainly will not be a OEFFAG D.III.
I have been looking hard at my Austo-Hungarian book, only to find that many early types had the machine gun and that engines were used when available...
Please do not forget that the starstrutter CSM is making was only 1 version of the Hansa-Brandenburg D.I, so no problem there if WNW does another version.
Could be anything so far, from a early D type or a early C type.
my guess (actually my wishlist...)? an early version of the Lloyd C.V, engine and machinegun combo was fairly common
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Unfortunately, I fear both of our favourite companies have twigged the look of a starstrutter appeals and have ended up in competition with each other, which makes me nervous for CSM. I'll be having at least three though. This and the Hanriot and Macchi m5 are my faves alongside any Albatros.
I know CSM were thinking of the Dr1 too as a money spinner.
Plenty of subjects to do yet though...
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Unfortunately, I fear both of our favourite companies have twigged the look of a starstrutter appeals and have ended up in competition with each other, which makes me nervous for CSM. I'll be having at least three though. This and the Hanriot and Macchi m5 are my faves alongside any Albatros.
I know CSM were thinking of the Dr1 too as a money spinner.
Plenty of subjects to do yet though...
I have No Fear for CSM. Their quality is certainly on WNW level and we only need to spread the word! Competition has never stopped anyone from doing another 109 and although this one is more Esoteric I don't think it will hurt!
RAGIII
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I have just checked in AH aviation Bible by Grosz Haddow Schumer. Lloyd C. V was driven by AD 185hp... And it also had the Scwarzlose coffin...
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I checked through, "Die Flugzeuge de k.u.k. Luftfahrtruppe un Seeflieger 1914," and this is the list of planes which had the "Baby Coffin" for the Schwarzlose M.G.:
Knoller CII
H.B. C. I
Lloyd C.V
and of course, the Starstrutter. No Aviatik Berg D.I or Albatros of any sort had that armament, nor did the Phonix series.
Looks like a pretty thin list to me unless WNW is going for esoteric.
As far as I could tell there weren't any seaplanes with this arrangement either. The book was authored by Erwin Hauke, Walter Schroeder and
Bernhard Tötschinger.
My guess is the Hansa Brandenburg C. I, since CSM will be doing the H.B. D. I.
Not an expert, perhaps someone else on the list can find others?
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Hold on...WNW has added yet another image to the CAD drawings - the undercarriage. It looks very much like those from the HB D.1 Starstrutter.
Eric
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Wow if it’s another starstrutter that’s got to be a world 1st in WW1 1/32 scale modelling. 2 quality companies, finally we are spoilt for choice. Thought this only happened to WW2 modellers. Anyway if it’s a 2 seater this comment will need editing. Whatever it is we are living in a golden age, except for the wallet.
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I understand why, but I still think it’s a shame that Wingnuts don’t have a line of communication going with other companies - I’m sure HK models sales must be drastically cut with the Wingnuts Lancaster, must have been a disaster for them...
Guy
Fingers crossed it’s a C.I :)
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Its a bit like one of those magazine builds where you get a few parts every week ;D
Guy
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Ah, what a pity! But I guess, CSM will „survive“ WnW's Starstrutter as they have their great resin figures and their beautiful 1/35th scale range of vehicles.
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as long as it's up to the quality of the Nieuports i'll go with the CSM one, and probably 2 or 3. if CSM's release pattern is similar to the Nieuport they'll cover any significant variants and have the 'crowd pleaser' obvious choices for markings (i'm looking to build planes for Benno Fiala von Fernbrugg and Josef Kiss, possibly more).
if the WNW kit is a significantly different variant to what's available from CSM, or has different markings, i may get a WNW one.
there's some small hope it could be a C.I, but the landing gear looks more like a D.I
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I wonder if CSM will proceed, once WNW make it official. There is simply not the market for what? 4000 kits of these in the world.
It's a niche market and CSM have to feed the kids.
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I don't think CSM will proceed, once WNW make it official. There is simply not the market for what? 4000 kits of these in the world.
It's a niche market and CSM have to feed the kids.
Perhaps the Caudron is going upscale?
that's very much not the impression i get from CSM's Facebook page:
"Great news for the model community out there - We`ve been working on several 1/32 projects and the one that was finished recently is a Hansa Brandenburg D.I. Should I mention that there are some 1/35 models in development as well? Anyway, 1/32 kit is planned for early 2020."
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I really hope so, I love the stuff CSM are doing. I want both companies to thrive
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Great News from CSM! I will definitely buy the CSM Starstrutter, if it’s the only existing kit then or not. I keep my fingers crossed for many other 1/32 or 1/35 releases from CSM.
Andreas
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...I keep my fingers crossed for many other 1/32 or 1/35 releases from CSM.
Andreas
"We`ve been working on several 1/32 projects"
"hould I mention that there are some 1/35 models in development as well? "
i'm optimistic.
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...I keep my fingers crossed for many other 1/32 or 1/35 releases from CSM.
Andreas
"We`ve been working on several 1/32 projects"
"hould I mention that there are some 1/35 models in development as well? "
i'm optimistic.
I read somewhere that there‘s a Romfeld armoured car in the making at CSM.
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I read somewhere that there‘s a Romfeld armoured car in the making at CSM.
Listed on CSM site as pre-order
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looks like the Nieuports were a big enough win that they've now got several projects simmering.
maybe the armored cars did well too but it's not my thing so i've not been watching inventory on the CSM sites.
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Well, it's not my hoped for Berg D. I, but hope springs eternal as they say.
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Great News from CSM! I will definitely buy the CSM Starstrutter, if it’s the only existing kit then or not. I keep my fingers crossed for many other 1/32 or 1/35 releases from CSM.
Andreas
Somehow I messed up the topics here, I beg your pardon: This is about the new Austro-Hungarian AC prepaired by WNW which of course is also very welcome. I hope that it‘s going to be a two-seater and not the same type CSM is prepairing at the moment.
Andreas
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Maybe I'm wrong, but think it's going to be a two-seater ... ;) ;) ;) on the WNW CAD the exhaust outlets are on the left side of the engine, but for a Hansabrandenburg DI the exhausts should be on the right side !!!! so who knows a series of Hansa brandenburg C1 may be coming :D :D
regards,
Fred
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Maybe I'm wrong, but think it's going to be a two-seater ... ;) ;) ;) on the WNW CAD the exhaust outlets are on the left side of the engine, but for a Hansabrandenburg DI the exhausts should be on the right side !!!! so who knows a series of Hansa brandenburg C1 may be coming :D :D
regards,
Fred
I believe what you're thinking are the exhaust outlets on the left side are actually the manifold intakes. Judging from the more recently added undercarriage CAD image I still think it's a D.I.
Cheers,
Eric
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I have this vision of the WNW crew sitting around a table and giggling like schoolgirls about which picture to release next to tease us with.I hope it's a 2 seater when we eventually find out.
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I believe what you're thinking are the exhaust outlets on the left side are actually the manifold intakes. Judging from the more recently added undercarriage CAD image I still think it's a D.I.
Cheers,
Eric
unfortunately, i agree. C.I undercarriage struts look to be a more obtuse angle. the sudden uptick in A-H subject matter makes me cautiously optimistic that one day i'll get my hands on the OEFFAG D.III without having to convert a Roden... and that there will be a C.I.
C.I is one of the more interesting, and interesting-looking, 2 seaters of the entire war IMO.
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Wingnut Wings has confirmed its mystery aircraft model in development is a Hansa Brandenburg D.1.
Wingnuts has uploaded a CAD image of its project to their site.
(https://i.postimg.cc/mr4GyL7M/D1.jpg)
Other than it being a 2020 release no further details are public yet but we can look forward to having two state of the art 1/32 Hansa Brandenburg D.1 models next year, from Copper State Models and Wingnuts.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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No. To me two Hansa-Brandenburg D.I in 1/32th scale by two great manufacturers is nothing but a pity!
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Thanks just noticed this!:
http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/productdetail?productid=3206&cat=5
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Seems rather unbelievable that they’ve doubled up on this!
Have to agree.. what a shame
But great subject though!
Guy
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my first thought was what a shame both companys releasing the same kit then after 5 min I thought great the same kit from two companys,if one sells out theres still chance to get one from the other and both will be great to build.happy happy days.
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No. To me two Hansa-Brandenburg D.I in 1/32th scale by two great manufacturers is nothing but a pity!
Despite rose colored glasses, I sadly agree with you. Of course I want to support CSM.
What were the chances????
Gene K
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Hello,
I am new to you and maybe I don't have much experience in WWI aircraft but in my experience I think CSM will release Hans-Brandenburg D.I under the WNW banner and it will be written from WNW by CSM. The reasons are several mainly financial possibilities and a few smaller ones like appearing on other markets. This may mean closer cooperation. What can really be very fruitful for us.
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Hello,
I am new to you and maybe I don't have much experience in WWI aircraft but in my experience I think CSM will release Hans-Brandenburg D.I under the WNW banner and it will be written from WNW by CSM. The reasons are several mainly financial possibilities and a few smaller ones like appearing on other markets. This may mean closer cooperation. What can really be very fruitful for us.
An interesting thought but No, it will not be the case here! Trying to keep a positive spin I will say that at Least CSM is getting some very positive publicity in places that they were not getting before. There is a post on the WNW Fan Page on Facebook and some posters have actually Mentioned CSM in a positive way...something I have Not seen before on that page! So there will be 2 great kits of a relatively Esoteric aircraft, Good Times for 1/32nd scale Modelers IMHO. I have already stated My intention to go with CSM so this time WNW loses My Money ;D Others will decide as they choose.
RAGIII
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Everything is possible :D. However, I will not insist on my conclusions :), but what I see after the offers and publishing plans of CSM will go the way of the release of Nieuports and maybe, what I have in the future the great hope of the Spad family, and let's not forget that CSM also wants to release a wide range of great vehicles in 1 : 35 and additional However, it will probably be as I say, it is likely that HB will be released in cooperation. Due to the enormous cost of producing new forms for Niuport, HB can give HB WNW plans and drawings and chew the basket for a tycoon at a given moment and draw mutual benefits, and use the saved funds for other projects. The market in the world at the moment is based on joint spending sharing costs and ideas.
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Rafal,
I agree with Rick, this is a model of the same aircraft but designed separately. Compare renderings - for instance: fuselage parts, the pilot compartment up to the engine bed, the fuel tank, the connection of the tail plane to fuselage, optional fin (WNW) - these are simply not the same molds...
8)
buzby
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You are right, my mistake. :) Even cool as will be two the same from different companies. :D It will be possible to compare how different companies of given structural elements deal with given problems. I suggested such combinations as Tamiya and Iteleri and others, recently my favorite company in 1/35 Tasca / Asuka which released the model converted from Tamiya.
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well,Well, I was wrong .... it's the game ;) :)but I'm a little disappointed, I would have preferred a hansa brandenburg C1 or other!!!!and not a double HBD1 starstrutter .... :-\ :-\
regards,
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Woops.....
That seems a bit unfortunate for two manufacturers to produce kits of a very niche subject unbeknown to one another.
But marketing choices aside, am very happy for those excited enough to add this to their collections.
Also delighted that my credit card balance remains intact once more. 8)
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An interesting thought but No, it will not be the case here! Trying to keep a positive spin I will say that at Least CSM is getting some very positive publicity in places that they were not getting before. There is a post on the WNW Fan Page on Facebook and some posters have actually Mentioned CSM in a positive way...something I have Not seen before on that page! So there will be 2 great kits of a relatively Esoteric aircraft, Good Times for 1/32nd scale Modelers IMHO. I have already stated My intention to go with CSM so this time WNW loses My Money ;D Others will decide as they choose.
RAGIII
yeah i think i'm the one making most of the pro-CSM noise over there. lots of those folks already using CSM figures and stuff, so they've been pretty receptive to the idea that this will most likely be as good as a WNW release.
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I know this is a WNW thread, but I, too, plan to get the Copper State offering. The CAD images that are available for both kits show to me that the Copper State offering is showing more detail, "under the hood" especially. As an example, I especially like the way Copper State is proposing to show the entire fuel tank compared with WNW. There also appears to be allowance for showing off this internal detail near the engine that WNW is not showing in their CAD. I also like how the framing of the fuselage internal structure from the cockpit forward is separate from the wall of the fuselage, whereas, the framing is on the wall of the WNW offering. Just my $0.02.
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Eric,
i think comparing is fair game. chances are it was totally an accident and an unhappy surprise for both CSM and WNW, but the bottom line is they are kitting the same aircraft. and most of us will pick one or the other.
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It is just a shame that most likely WnW will be 'winner' when it comes to sales. They are a much more well known brand name now and that will hurt the sales of CSM.
I will be getting the CSM release, if only to support the 'little guy' but I am sure it will be a great kit, like all the others they have done.
Hidde from Holland
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Interestingly this was announced on August 26...
Only an engine to go on...could it be an Albatros D3?
http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/productdetail?productid=3206&cat=5
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It is just a shame that most likely WnW will be 'winner' when it comes to sales. They are a much more well known brand name now and that will hurt the sales of CSM.
I will be getting the CSM release, if only to support the 'little guy' but I am sure it will be a great kit, like all the others they have done.
Hidde from Holland
wasn't that long ago WNW were an upstart stepping on Roden's toes coincidentally/accidentally.
while Roden make very nice kits, they're not quite WNW level. CSM is. IMO both CSM and WNW will be quite fine. (PS i'll be getting the CSM also, probably 2).