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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Scratch builds => Topic started by: rhallinger on November 05, 2012, 11:58:03 AM
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(http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Plattner/AH/LloydCV/t_DSC_6521.jpg)
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Wow, Bob! That was fast! ;)
Really looking forward to the build log.
Cheers,
Bud
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Still working on the posting of images. The last shot is a completed 1/48 Special Hobby kit from the web. I really like the elegant avian design of this aircraft, and it's beautiful mahogany wood sheathing on all surfaces. Here are my plans from the Peter Grosz book, along with templates made from the plans enlarged to 1/32, and the balsa block from which the fuselage pattern will be produced for vacuforming, per Doug Bauman's Aviatik Berg scratchbuild.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5552.jpg)
I am plannng to fabricate the wings using Des's technique for forming an airfoil shape from sheet styrene, in this case 3.2 mm (.125") Evergreen Styrene. I will likely build a license-built WKF version, Series 82.17-48, with a 220 hp Benz Bz.IV engine. I hope to be able to get an extra sprue from WNW, but if not, I will build it myself.
Here is the fuselage profile laid out on the balsa block, which is actually two 1/2 inch wide pieces glued together with paper strips between to help splitting the pattern after carving for vacuforming:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5553.jpg)
The rough cut fuselage pattern in profile:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5570.jpg)
This is going to be interesting and challenging! ;D
The WNW Pup parts on the bench are part of an ongoing build for my daughter. I'll try not to get the two mixed up! ;D
Regards,
Bob
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You're moving along quite nicely Bob, this will be a very interesting build to watch, I'm always looking for new ways to do scratch building.
Des.
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Interesting, I will watch here.
Adam.
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Bob,
Excellent first progress my friend.Looking forward to seeing more,especially the carving of her fuselage.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Your off to a great start Bob........ I'll be following along here also.....
Ken
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This looks interesting, especially the promise of some vac forming to come.
Cheers,
Chris
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Im going to enjoy watching this one!!
Steve
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Good luck, Bob. I'll be part of the parade watching over your shoulder. Very good start to your build!
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Okay, another couple of sessions of progress carving and sanding the master fuselage for the vacuform:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5602.jpg)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5600.jpg)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5601.jpg)
Next step is to spray with shellac and fine sand between coats to seal the balsa. After that I'll coat with primer and sand smooth again. The sanding to shape was a bit challenging, as you don't want to take too much. I referred to my plans and photos of the protoype and the beautiful build photos of Wojtek Fajga's 1/48 Special Hobbies Lloyd C.V at The Aerodrome. If you are a Lloyd fan and have not seen this build, you have to check it out. Amazing!
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.fajga.pl/modele/lloyd_sh_45.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/models/37040-lloyd-c-v-s-46-%257C-special-hobby-%257C-1-48-a-2.html&usg=__VTod0E3aZkjJi7prWLvKe6qoIsE=&h=667&w=800&sz=52&hl=en&start=20&zoom=1&tbnid=gay3VcreWlqnfM:&tbnh=119&tbnw=143&ei=SzObUOTzA5Kv0AG2poDwAQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dlloyd%2Bc.v%26hl%3Den%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1
I will visit a friend with a tablesaw this weekend and cut the wood to assemble my vacuform box. I also need to get the materials for the wing airfoil jig and assemble that. It will be like the one Des has used for his Voisin and Taube. I already have the 3.2 mm sheet styrene. I'm still planning out the rest of the steps.
Regards,
Bob
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Very nicely carved, Bob. I look forward to seeing in the vac phase.
Cheers,
Bud
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Lovely piece of carving Bob, I'm really looking forward to the vac forming stage if this build, this is a process that has me very intrigued.
Des.
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Lloyds in general are extremely interesting constructions in my opinion. I will follow your thread with great dose of excitment!
A great start BTW.
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I'm interested in seeing how you build your vac form machine so be sure to post some in-progress shots.
Cheers,
Chris
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I will be happy to post some pics Chris. I am relying on plans posted by Doug Bauman on his Aviatik Berg sctrachbuild thread at this link:
http://www.swannysmodels.com/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1292601844/15
along with the design of a vac-u-box I have which is too small for this project. It is a common design that is not too difficult to construct with limited inexpensive materials. It requires use of your household oven and vacuum cleaner, so watch out for your spouse. ;D You may want to check out the description of how it works at:
http://nautilusmodels.com/vac-u-box.htm
I'm just building a larger version for 1/32 scale components, and at about half the cost. ;)
I'll be sure to include updates here. I plan to cut the lumber on Saturday, so maybe I'll have it assembled by the end of the weekend.
Regards,
Bob
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You've got an interesting build going, Bob, which brings me to my stupid question: why even bother vac-forming the fuselage? The balsa fuse you've got looks great, and obviously has all the right shapes that you want, so why go through the extra trouble? Is plastic just that much easier to work with?
Pardon the inexperience-induced ignorance...
LT
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Hi Lindsay. You pose an interesting question, and the answer may depend on the modeler's particular skills. The big advantage to a vacuformed plastic fuselage is the ease of installing interior cockpit detail and the engine. A solid wood fuselage would make it very difficult (at least for me ;)) to open and build the cockpit and engine compartment. I am also more comfortable working with plastic, and if I really mess up the plastic fuselage shell (it has been known to happen!) I can simply make another with the master.
Regards,
Bob
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Hoo boy, you handled that one well, Bob. I know it would have taken a lot for me to not be screaming at the computer, "They are hollow tubes, moron!" Thank you very much for taking a pass on that one.
Reminds me of one of my favourite scenes from Zoolander:
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w451/lkt939/tumblr_lz1irfJWLU1qd4sg4o1_500.jpg)
Sorry for the digression, but I did give fair warning that it was a stupid question...
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No problem Lindsay! Thanks for giving me a good hearty laugh with your reply! ;D
Regards,
Bob
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Progress continues, though the path has some twists and turns. I've never done a vacuform master before, so I'm generally gleaning what I can from other modeling posts and trying things that seem to make sense. As noted, it will likely be a crooked path. :o
I sprayed the balsa master with rattle can shellac from Lowe's to seal it, sanding between coats. It was okay, but the shellac seemed to emphasize the wood grain rather than fill it in. I had a can of Krylon gloss black in the basement, so I decided to try that as a primer. It too did not fill the grain but instead revealed it. >:( I think this is an issue with a very soft wood like balsa. The price you pay for ease of carving and cutting. Now I have a good stiff surface which has some pitting of wood grain, so I will likely use some Bondo auto putty and see if that does the trick. I wonder if Mr. Surfacer would work better. Any thoughts?
Doug Bauman used CA to coat the balsa and then sanded it smooth. It sounded strange using CA on a relatively large flat surface, so I went with the shellac. Perhaps I should have followed Doug's method, or just used good old-fashioned sanding sealer.
In any event, I decided to split the master at this point, before the centerline seam was completely hidden by coatings. This proved a bit dicey as I obviously used too much white glue when I glued the wood halves together at the beginning. Persistence, an x-acto blade, a butter knife, and a razor saw combined to persuade the halves to part reasonably well, but not without some tense moments. Who says modeling is a tame hobby? :) Here are the halves, with filler yet to be applied:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5606.jpg)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5604.jpg)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5607.jpg)
I will try smoothing the pitted surfaces of the master this weekend while also building the vacuform box. I am sure it will work out. :)
Regards,
Bob
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While it's a little too late for this project, you might try an old wood turning technique on your next project for masters that have to separated. When gluing the blanks together, sandwich a piece of brown paper bag between them and then apply pressure with clamps. When it comes time to break the halves apart, it's a relatively simple matter to pop them apart.
I used this technique whenever I turned bowls. I would glue a piece of scrap to the bottom of the bowl blank and drive the screws through the faceplate into the scrap. The scrap piece would pop right off the bottom of the turned bowl with just a little bit of pressure from a chisel. This eliminated any screw holes in the bottom of the bowl. As balsawood is very fragile though, I think I'd use basswood instead.
Cheers,
Chris
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Thanks Chris! I'll try the brown paper next time. I did use some 1" wide strips of copy paper every couple of inches, but I probably used too much glue on the wood in between. How do you apply the brown paper, and how much? How do you glue the halves? This is my first time at this, so I am interested in picking up and refining new techniques as I go. Thanks for your help!
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I think you have the surface smooth enough as it is the interior of the plastic that will pick up what grain there is when it is vac-formed. I dont think its rough enough to show through on the outer surface of the plastic which Im guessing will be at least 40thou. Balsa is pretty fragile. I prefer bass like Chris but that being said the master does look very good. Keep going this is great stuff!!!
Steve
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Thanks Steve! I was thinking that too, and I might just leave well enough alone and give it a shot as is. I suspect that you are correct about the grain showing up on the interior if anywhere. I can simply sand the interior cockpit walls smooth. Yeah, maybe I'll just try it that way. Eliminating extra work is a good thing for this project! I'm glad I have until April to finish it. ;)
I will probably try basswood for the next one, as the balsa is extremely fragile. Being new to this mode, I was just following Doug Bauman's process. His 1/36 Aviatik Berg really did turn out well.
If I don't like the way the vacuform parts turn out with the master as is, I can just tweak the master a bit and remold. Now, I just have to get my vacubox built this weekend.
Regards,
Bob
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Bob, I agree with Steve. I think your fuselage halves are ready for the vac machine. Looking really good so far.
Cheers,
Bud
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Another one that is going to get my atention... good luck! :)
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The interior could be skinned for the cockpit details to hang on therefore eliminating any sanding/thinning of the fuselage walls. Shape is important but strength helps too.
Steve
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Bob,
Looks great and I don't think you'll have to worry too much about the grain on the inside (you can sand the plastic afterwards if it does show)
But if you would feel better about having no grain at all before forming .... pick up a rattle can of automotive primer .(Lacquer) it will fill wood grain and can be sanded smooth very easily ....
Ken
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Thanks Chris! I'll try the brown paper next time. I did use some 1" wide strips of copy paper every couple of inches, but I probably used too much glue on the wood in between. How do you apply the brown paper, and how much? How do you glue the halves? This is my first time at this, so I am interested in picking up and refining new techniques as I go. Thanks for your help!
All I ever used was a piece of brown paper from an old grocery bag, big enough to cover the entire gluing surface. I used standard white glue or carpenter's glue which, is virtually the same except it's brown in colour, and just smeared it over the mating sides.
Cheers,
Chris
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Thanks for all of your helpful suggestions guys! I appreciate it. The vacbox lumber will be cut tomorrow and assembled by the end of the weekend. I guess I'd better check my supply of Evergreen sheet styrene. ;)
Regards,
Bob
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Since some of you asked, here are some pictures of the vac-u-box I have constructed to make the Lloyd fuselage from a wooden master.
This is the basic box (13" x 8" x 4") of 1/2" poplar, with a birch ply bottom:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5608.jpg)
A 1.5 inch hole was drilled in the side to accept a plastic plumbing fitting for the vacuum hose connection. The top is birch ply with an opening cut out and the vacuum deck (a steel mesh grid taken from an old pet tank lid!) attached. All parts of the box are screwed and glued. Forgive the rough construction--carpentry is not my forte, and I'm in a hurry to get on with the model. ;)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5612.jpg)
The twin sheets with matching center openings below are the holder which sandwiches the sheet styrene for heating and forming. The process is described well with photos in the Vac-U-Box link in an earlier post.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5613.jpg)
Finally, the brackets are shown with a piece of sheet styrene inserted, held firmly in place with wingnuts.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5614.jpg)
I figure that all of the materials cost me about $25. A friend with a table saw helps, too!
All that's left is to test it out. I hope it works. ::) Once I'm comfortable with the forming process I will proceed with the fuselage. :)
Regards, helps
Bob
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Lookin' forward to seeing that vac-u-box in action Bob.
Cheers,
Chris
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Outstanding work on the vac box, Bob. I'm looking forward to seeing it in use.
Cheers,
Bud
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Your vac box sucks.....tee hee ;).......good stuff and am watching for the first pulls!!!
Steve
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Just a quick update in lieu of actual progress.
Since I've never done this before, I'm practicing with the vacbox using blank masters. Steve, the vacbox didn't suck enough the first time, and I got an incompletely formed part. ;) Consulted an online tutorial and found out I didn't heat the plastic enough. Made some modifications, cranked the oven to 425, let the plastic droop and man that baby sucked! The second pull was great, except I elevated the part off the deck too far and left the vacuum cleaner on a bit too long, and the plastic wrapped underneath in spots! ??? No worries. The tutorial advised against frustration, suggesting that 8 or 9 crummy pulls are not unusual when first learning. That put things in perspective, and I think I'll have it figured out in a couple of more trys. I hope to actually mold the fuselage halves this weekend. I have a good feeling about this.
I also now have all of the parts I need to assemble the airfoil jig for the wings. Crawling forward! ;)
Regards,
Bob
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Your trial and error is appreciated by all. Thanks for keeping us warned of the various traps in vacuforming. Glad your persevering
Steve
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Interesting update Bob, thanks and looking forward to your first 'good' product.
Andrew
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For those among you wishing to learn more about home vacuforming materials and technique, I found this site to be very informative and helpful. Good pictures too. It's nice to see someone putting their kitchen to good non-culinary use. ;D
http://www.studiocreations.com/howto/vacuumforming/index.html
Still hoping to get the fuselage molded this weekend. :)
Regards,
Bob
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Bob,
Now that's some outstanding craftsmanship my friend. As a long time vacuformer and builder of vac kit it's a joy to follow your progress. It's always great to see some old school modeling techniques in play. Looking forward to seeing your first pulls on the fuselage halves.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Here are the fuselage pulls from the vacuform, after several trial runs with plain wood blocks to get the hang of it:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8067/8195396696_3d5dd3479d.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/90176211@N03/8195396696/)
IMG_5616 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/90176211@N03/8195396696/) by rhallinger (http://www.flickr.com/people/90176211@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8489/8194306239_167b0ab8cc.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/90176211@N03/8194306239/)
IMG_5617 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/90176211@N03/8194306239/) by rhallinger (http://www.flickr.com/people/90176211@N03/), on Flickr
The vacuforming went well. Good thing, because my masters were destroyed in the process! :'( I guess the Krylon paint I used to seal the balsa must have melted and fused with the plastic during molding, and the masters would not release. I ended up having to chisel the out ::), but the plastic shells look pretty good. Basswood and auto primer next time. ;)
Here is what the inside of the moldings look like. I'll have to scrape off the black paint residue to do the interior.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8209/8194304145_03616f29e8.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/90176211@N03/8194304145/)
IMG_5618 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/90176211@N03/8194304145/) by rhallinger (http://www.flickr.com/people/90176211@N03/), on Flickr
I'll cut these out and sand them flush tomorrow. More pix to come.
Regards,
Bob
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Nicely done, Bob! Those fuselage halves look fantastic. Really looking forward to seeing what you do with them.
Cheers,
Bud
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I would consider those a success. Too bad about the masters but another lesson learned. Thanx!!!
Steve
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I use Thin Ca glue to seal the wood, for the masters is use baswood it carfs and sands great! When you have complete your molds glue 2mm wood on both sides of the inside of the mold since you have to take in account the rounding off of the styreen when you are vacuforming.
When you sand this off to join the two half together the fuselage will be to small.
Ron
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Thanks for the feedback everyone. This is indeed a learning experience. :)
Here are the fuselage halves cut out and sanded flush. I have opened the cockpit, but still have to do the engine compartment cover opening.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8063/8195251819_b472eff90d.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/90176211@N03/8195251819/)
IMG_5619 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/90176211@N03/8195251819/) by rhallinger (http://www.flickr.com/people/90176211@N03/), on Flickr
...and, of course, the obligatory and reflexive "test fit." ;) The haves mate fairly well without any tabs yet. Still a little tweaking to do though.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8479/8196349190_d0e2c1ef2f.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/90176211@N03/8196349190/)
IMG_5620 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/90176211@N03/8196349190/) by rhallinger (http://www.flickr.com/people/90176211@N03/), on Flickr
Isn't it interesting how the scraped up black paint on the interior gives the cockpit a very busy look at this distance? Complete illusion. ;)
Speaking of the cockpit, I can now begin that, among other things, and then there are the wings . . .another new adventure for me. ::) First though, I will finish up some detailing on the fuselage like scribing panel lines and nail heads.
I am relying on two primary build logs for the 1/48 Special Hobbies kit, since they have lots of protoype photos along with great detailed work and some techniques I can use to duplicate some unique parts of the Lloyd. One site is the Aerodrome build by Wotek Fajtah, previously linked in this thread. The other is at this link:
http://www.swannysmodels.com/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1335224480/0
Both build logs show lots of detail which will be helpful (and both are stunning and gorgeous builds!). I noticed that many of the metal fittings, access covers and latches on the fuselage of the Lloyd look very similar to those used on Albatros fuselages, so I ordered a PE Albatros DIII set for those parts and some others which are pretty generic.
Gotta finish up the Pup for my daughter, so I may take a brief break from this one over the Thanksgiving holidays, with the family all home for a few days. Blessings to you all. Among the many things I am thankful for this year is this wonderful and enriching group of modelers who share so much knowledge and cameraderie. Thank you all, and a special thanks to Des for getting it starting and making it possible. Well done!
Regards,
Bob
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Excellent work, Bob, very well done! Good luck with the rest of this build! ;D
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You've hit the deck running in regard to vac-forming. The fuselage halves look superb.
Cheers,
Chris
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Stunning work to a mere Mortal modeler :o Excellent work on your vac forming process!
RAGIII
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Nice work! The hard part for the fuselage is over - its mostly like "kit building" - that doesnt diminish what youve done! Are the wings going to be wood core?
Steve
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Thanks Steve. Since this project is a learning experience, I'm going to try solid styrene for the wings as per the technique Des used for his Voisin and Taube wings, bending it in an airfoil jig. There are no ribs to worry about on the Lloyd, since it's mahogany ply sheathing over lengthwise stringers with something like six core ribs per side. It's an interseting wing because it is a fairly smooth uniform surface, unlike the peaks and valleys of the usual fabric covered ribs. We'll see how this works. ;)
I am taking a brief break from the Lloyd right now, in an effort to finsh up a WNW Pup trainer for my daughter. I hope to have another Lloyd progress update in a week or two.
Regards,
Bob
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Bob,
What's the latest on this little beauty my friend?
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Hi Gregory. I've paused briefly on the Lloyd to complete a WNW Sopwith Pup for my daughter. I should be back to the Lloyd soon. Thanks for askng. :)
In the meantime, I am planning the Lloyd interior and cockpit, and gathering the tools necessary to scribe the panel lines in the fuselage and do the rows of nailheads. I think I've got everything I need for that. I want to take my time and make sure I get that delicate work done properly. I expect to complete that and post some photos within a week or so. After that, I'll get to the wings.
I'll also post the Pup over in Completed Models. It's an interesting night trainer scheme from one of Rowan's sheets that my daughter chose---black with lots of small stars all over the upper surfaces and the man-in-the-moon on the fuselage sides. Very different
Regards,
Bob
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Bob,
Thanks much for the update my friend. Looking forward to seeing more of the Lloyd and the pup too.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Whilst I'm patiently awaiting progress on the Lloyd, the Pup sounds very, very interesting - you're good at building anticipation Bob! ;) :D
Andrew
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A Pup update is good too!!
Steve
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Thanks Steve. I'll do that as soon as I get some pix, but the quick summary is that all major subassemblies are done (except the engine), the fusealage is closed and I have everything painted and decaled. All those tiny stars were not as tedious to apply as I thought they would be, but it still took a couple of sessions. I'm still getting used to the idea of a black Pup covered with white stars, but it's really pretty cool! 8) I'm actually fairly close to being finished, with just assembling the major aircraft components, adding a few details and rigging left to be done. Funny how that near-final stage creeps up on you without your realizing it, isn't it? The Pup is a very nice kit. I'll provide more details when I get the pix, includng mistakes I made that others should (and probably would, avoid). ;) Soon I'll be tackling the Lloyd again!
Regards,
Bob
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Hi,
What a cool project! I love to see how it will come out . I`ll be watching this one real close :).
Willi
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Hi Willi! If you look a little further back in this thread you'll see a link to your gorgeous 1/48 SH Lloyd build. Your build log has been very helpful to my planning for this project. I particularly liked your method for tackling the observer's railing! Very helpful! I hope to come close to what you achieved in 1/48. Your Lloyd is a real beauty! Thanks for sharing it with us.
Regards,
Bob
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Hi Bob,
Thank you very much . I am honored you are using part of my build for your project .I am excited to see someone make this all wood a/c in Large scale .
I`ll be watching with interest!
Willi
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I'm baaaaaack (from completing the WNW Pup). I've done the panel scribing and nailheads on the fuselage exterior, and pre-shaded them with a dark grey oil wash. I also cut out the engine opening.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5821.jpg)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5823.jpg)
To make the interior fuselage sides easier to work with in light of the black paint residue from the vacuforming process (which would not sand away!), I made .10 skins for the cockpit sides, which I will affix with contact cement.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5824.jpg)
Next, I will tackle the cockpit interior, followed by the Benz B.IV engine from WNW.
Regards,
Bob
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Awesome work on the fuselage, Bob. How did you do the nail heads? They're perfect.
Cheers,
Bud
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Thanks Bud. There is discussion regarding nail head simulation in both of the 1/48 Llloyd build logs linked earlier in this thread. Wojtek Fajga made his own tool from old watch gears filed down. Willi a/k/a miamiangler used a Mr. Riviter tool, I believe. I was puzzling over this when I recalled having an old ponce wheel set I had purchased from Micro-Mark years ago to make rivets for O scale railroad models. Amazingly, I found the set quickly and, to my delight, the small wheel proved to leave the correct impression for nail heads with good spacing. These were modeling ponce wheels, rather than fabric pattern ponce wheels. I understand that the latter leave larger square or rectangular impressions, which will not work as well for nail heads.
Anyway, it took just a little practice on scrap styrene sheet to get the pressure right for the look I wanted. A steel straight edge ruler worked as a guide for most rows. The curved front of the fuselage required a sheet plastic edge cut to match the fuselage curve. I went off guide a couple of times and had to fill the errant trail with Mr, Surfacer and sand it smooth.
All things considered, I am happy with the results, as I sweated over this detail a bit.
Regards,
Bob
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Nice job on the nails Bob! No matter how much you sweated over it, it was well worth the effort. I tried panel scribing . . . once. I ended up with some really interesting curved grooves that no one would mistake for panel lines. :o
Cheers,
Chris
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Bob,
Your C.V is looking amazing..... Love the nail patterns.... Can't wait to see more progress!
Ken
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Great to see you back at this one. Nice progress!!
Steve
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Great detailing Bob, the fuse is really 'coming alive'!
Andrew
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Hello Bob:
This has been an interesting thread to follow and you work is outstanding. The scribing is first rate and I will be watching as you continue with this build.
Best
Mark
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Thanks for your support guys! I am now constructing the cockpit, guided by the excellent protoype and build photos found in the two build logs previously mentioned in this thread. No photos of this work yet, but soon. It's coming along more readily than anticipated. :) I'll take the good fortune where I find it! Who knows what lurks around the next corner, no? ;)
Since it will be awhile 'til I get there, I'll take an informal poll on the mahogany wood finsh for the fuselage exterior and wings: oils or HGW decals? I have seen 1/48 SH Lloyds done both ways (along with real wood veneer, which I am NOT trying!). Your thoughts please, with the knowledge that I am a wood finish virgin, and will obviously practice until reasonable satisfaction before applying the chosen finish to the model. Also, my scheme will have white fields behind the crosses. What do you think? Thanks!
Regards,
Bob
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Super interesting thread, thanks for sharing details on building the vac box; progress to date looks awesome.
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WOW Very Nice ! Love what you did with the nail holes . If you use the HGW decals .I used the transparent ones . that way you can use different shades of color for the wood .I used off white ,desert yellow ,buff, flesh. The decals are fragile so you have to be careful handling your A/C when putting it together.
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Bob,
Awesome work my old friend. I'm quite impressed with those nail hole detail.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Here's a quick update, just to show I'm still at it. Work and other things have slowed progress a bit. Here are some pictures of the cockpit parts, which are being fabricated from Evergreen sheet and strip styrene:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5875.jpg)
Floor. I still need to paint the base coat for the wood portions:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5873.jpg)
Seat and other bits:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5874.jpg)
Regards,
Bob
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Awesome work on all the interior bits, Bob. Looking forward to seeing them all together.
Cheers,
Bud
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looks fantastic so far.i fell in love with the lloyd cv when i built the special hobby kit a while back. unfortunately i found this group build just now. i could have told you earlier that there is a sanding sealer made for balsa available for stick and tissue modellers. i came across it when i built my guillows dr.1 years ago. i can offer at this time a resin copy of an austro daimler engine in 1/32 if you want. i made it for my 1/32 oeffag albatros conversion. its not wnw quality but if you want i can send you one and you can decide whether or not you want to go this route.just let me know.
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Nice work on some of the fiddly bits. Looking forward to each post.
Steve
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Bob,
Great work on the interior details my friend. Looking forward to more.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Here's the weekly update. The cockpit is nearly finished. I built it from Evergreen sheet, strip and tube stock. The steering wheel was a leftover part from the Pup kit. It's not prototype for the Lloyd, but I'm decreeing that the OEM wheel was shot up on a mission and had to be replaced quickly with whatever was on hand. ;) The seat cushions were made from dark brown Sculpy modeling clay baked per the instructions then weathered lightly.
The wood parts were simulated by painting with Tamiya Desert Yellow covered with a mix of brushed out Burnt Sienna and Burnt Umber oils, sealed after dry with Tamiya Clear Yellow/Orange mix. The wood grain can't be seen in the photos, but looks pretty good to the eyeball. Metal shades are brushed on Mr. Hobby metal colors in appropriate shades. The IP was made with Airscale instrument decals and Aeroclub bezels. The observer's shelf/table is ready, but attaches to the fuselage side so must await placement until the cockpit assembly is in place in the fuselage.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5886.jpg)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5885.jpg)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5881.jpg)
Albatros 1234, thank you for your kind offer of the austro daimler engine. I may take you up on it in the future for an OEFFAG Albatros conversion myself, but for the Lloyd I decided to model a WKF built Series 82 aircraft with Benz bz.IV engine, which I obtained from WNW. That will be next, followed by locating and drilling the appropriate openings in the fuselage for the lower wing attachments, landing gear struts and tail.
I have also prepared the parts for the wing/airfoil jig, but more about that later.
Thanks for looking!
Regards,
Bob
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Ecellent progress Bob, the interior is looking very smart indeed, all your colours appear to be spot on.
Des.
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Bob,
Fantastic work on her interior my old friend. Awesome project!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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The hard scratchin' is paying off, Bob - Looks great!
Keep us updated ;)
Von Buckle
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Nice work. The colour combinations are very good.
Steve
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Brilliant work on the innards, Bob! Can't wait to see it all stuck together.
Cheers,
Bud
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looks like a lloyd cv to me, youre doing a bang up job so far. scratch building has got to be rewarding. i of course have scratched odds and ends to enhance a build but to build an entire craft from nothing and end up with something so nice has got to feel good. keep up the great work.
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Here is another mini-update as I feel my way forward with this project. The first photo is the fuselage sidewall interior, which still has some details to be added:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5891.jpg)
Before proceeding with completing the fuselage, I need to locate and drill out the attachment points for the lower wings, cabane struts, tail and horizontal stabilizer. I plan to do these like Des did with his scratch builds (and the 1/48 SH builds also)--with brass tube in the fuselage and brass rod pins. Any advice on this method would be appreciated, as I have never done it before. I still need to get the brass tube/rod.
It occurred to me that I first need to do the wings, so I know how much space I have to work with in the wing cross-section, so I have laid out the wings on 3mm sheet styrene, as shown:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5888.jpg)
I will use the method Des followed on his Voisin to provide an airfoil shape to the wings. The parts for th jig with clamps are shown in the photo. I am using a plastic cutting board as the base and metal shelf brackets for the fixed guides.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5890.jpg)
I'll let you know how all of this works. :)
Regrds,
Bob
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More great work!!
Steve
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Before completing the cockpit and addng HGW seatbelts, I am proceeding with the wings. Since I do not have a Microlux band saw, I am cutting out the 3mm thick styrene wings the old fashioned way--with a small razor saw blade:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5892.jpg)
The bottom wings are now cut out and require sanding to outline. This takes a bit of time, so the top wings will follow tomorrow.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5894.jpg)
I am following the construction method outlined by Des in his Voisin build log. The next step will be to sand the leading and trailing edges a bit thinner (but not all the way). Then I will have to assemble the jig and proceed with clampng the airfoil curve into the wings and fixing with boiling water as per Des's build log. Thereafter, I can sand the leading and trailng edges to proper shape and thickness.
The Lloyd had unusual wings in that they were covered with mahogany veneer over spanwise stringers attached to relatively few ribs. This makes the modeling much easier, as there are no ribs and stretched fabric depressions to worry about, just a few thin wood battans over the veneer seams running chordwise. Here is an example on the 1/48 Special Hobby model, built by Peter Plattner:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/DSC_6527.jpg)
Something to whet my appetite. :) I hope my 1/32 version turns out this well! ;) Beautiful work Peter! ;D
I had to include another example borrowed from miamiangler's build log, since Will's log has been so helpful to my project. Thanks Willi! Great job! ;D
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/DSCN0725_zpsf9be939e.jpg)
More soon.
Regards,
Bob
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Yay!
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Bob,
Looking forward to seeing the wings completed my old friend. No doubts in my mind you'll end up with wings on par with the examples you've shown if not even better. One thing for certain once she's completed she'll be one awesome early Wooden Wonder.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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A little more still this evening. Here are the rough-sanded wings before adding the airfoil camber:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5895.jpg)
Next, the first one gets clamped into the Des wing jig to the appropriate camber:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5897.jpg)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5896.jpg)
Put the kettle on to a boil, douse the contents over the cambered wing, then rinse under cold water, and you get this result (after two attempts):
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5900.jpg)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5901.jpg)
There is still a good deal of sanding to do to get the correct shape and taper of the wing, but it's well on its way. Three more to do still (the other side of the bottom wing and both sides of the split top wing.
Although this feels like lots of rapid progress, I know that the tricky and time-consuming part of this build will be doing the brass-pinned cabane struts and mounting bracket to attach the top wings (somewhat similar to the way the top wings are mounted on Des's Voisin), and getting the landing gear together and attached firmly to the fuselage. I am slightly nervous about all of that. :o
Nonetheless, progress! I'll get there in small steps. Glad I have until April!
Regards,
Bob
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Very cool, thanks for sharing your workflow.
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Lots of great work there Bob, thanks for the detailed progress.
I can see that this sort of modelling must be very satisfying and rewarding.
Andrew
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Bob,
Excellent progress on her wings my old friend. You've got beaucoup sanding ahead of you now. Looking forward to seeing the results in the near future. Thank you for such a informative thread.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Hello Bob:
This is really coming along nicely. The photo's of the 1/48 scale a/c are motivating. What a neat looking airplane! I am looking foward to see how you wrap this up.
Best
mark
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Thanks for the kind words everyone. This project is a real learning experience for me, and I am enjoying it, even though the pace may be a bit haphazrd and slower than a kit.
The last few days have been spent sanding the bottom wings to proper shape (boy, were you right Gregory--beaucoup de sanding! ;)), and locating and drilling the holes necessary in the fuselage to accept wings, cabane struts, landing gear struts, tailplane, etc. This is actually far more involved than one might think, and I am still working through it SLOWLY. A good deal of measuring, checking and rechecking plans is required, along with reference to the size of the parts to be joined and the brass rod/tube necessary for the joints. In addition, to ensure a solid joint, it is necessary (or so it seems to me) to add reinforcement of the vac fuselage with additional thickness of styrene behind the joints. All of this noodle work slows progress, but is essential I believe. I just have to temper my natural impatience. ;)
I have also found that the scratchbuild sort of unfolds in directions I may not have planned. For example, before adding the tabs along the fuselage havles that will allow closure of the fuselage, I needed to drill out all of the fuselage openings for attachment points, etc., as it would be difficult to drill the fuselage shell with the tabs protruding, and if I join them first it will be impossible to easily add reinforcement behind the attachment points. This process necessitated fabrication of the lower wings so I could be sure of the profile and what size brass rod/tube it could reasonably accommodate, as well as the tailplanes. In addition, the cabane struts needed to be fabricated, and completion of the engine will be necessary so that supports can be properly located on each side of the still-open fuselage. I have been working on the engine lately for that purpose.
I suppose the highly organized and technical ones among us can work out all these details in advance with a comprehensive plan, but for me, I simply try to think the next few major steps through before plunging ahead, and make sure I've covered all the bases, rather than planning it all out at the beginning. It does make for very deliberate progress. ;) I've also spent some time going back and reading through all of the 1/48 Lloyd C.V build logs from start to finish, and that has proven to be very helpful in making sure I don't overlook anything as I proceed, along with being great motivation! :D
So, lots of little steps proceeding forward all aimed at allowing completion of the fuselage and closing it up. I'll have more pix soon, when there's a bit more to show. As always, since this is the first time I'm doing this, any helpul suggestions or hints are welcome. Thanks all.
Regards,
Bob
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Sounds like the challenge is an enjoyable one. Looking forward to the pics.
Steve
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Looky here . . . an engine has appeared ;):
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5936.jpg)
I completed (mostly) the basic Benz BZ.IV (from WNW) for the WKF-built Series 82 Lloyd, which I needed to do in order to properly locate the engine bearers inside the fuselage sides. Since most of this will be invisible once the fuselage is closed up (and I have no plans or photos of the interior of the engine compartment anyway!), nothing fancy here--just lateral bearers on either side of the engine from styrene L girder. Everything appears to line up properly, so now it's off to the paintshop to take care of the engine compartment interior.
My further work has led me to more photos of the Series 82 machines, so I will need to make some changes, as I was working from plans for a Series 46 aircraft. The basic aircraft is the same, but there are some detail changes relating to accommodation of the larger and more powerful Benz engine. I have removed the front top part of the engine cover per photos, and I will need to drill out a pair of square vent openings with wire screen coverings on the right side of the engine compartment and add a pair of louvers as well, all required for additional cooling of the Benz engine. No probllem! ;)
I'll let you know how all of this is shaking out by the weekend.
Regards,
Bob
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Looks great Bob.!
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Bob,
Your Lloyd project just keeps getting more and more impressive with each new update my old friend. Well Done!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Modelling in the truest sense of the word - Excellent!
Looking forward to seeing more updates.
vB
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Exquisite craftsmanship, Bob! Can't wait for the next update.
Cheers,
Bud
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Looking very sharp Bob, the engine looks great sitting in position, can't wait to see what you do next.
Des.
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Im reeeeeally liking the looks of this. You must be pleased with the results so far!!
Steve
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That's really looking good, Bob. Youse blokes that can scratch build really impress me.
Of course the best bit is that three months after you finish your build, WNW will announce they're releasing their kit of this aircraft! ;)
Excellent work, mate.
Dal.
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Thanks everyone. Right you are, Dal! I would welcome a WNW release, even after the scratchbuild, because I would love to do one of these with the Austro-Daimler engine and in Autumn mottle camo. Most importantly, release of a WNW Lloyd kit with an Austro-Daimler engine would surely herald many more A-H types! Oh, for a 1/32 OEFFAG Alby! ;) We can dream, can't we? ;D
I am forging ahead (slowly) this week, but the work on the fuselage halves is pretty much complete, with all attachment points for wings and tailplanes drilled out and reinforced where needed, the structural engine bearers added, and the remaining cockpit details (except the observer's table) added to the fuselage interior walls. I have also cut out the engine compartment vent holes on the starboard side and backed them with HO scale brass screen. Styrene attachment tabs have now been added to one side of the fuselage. Photos soon.
While I was at it this past weekend, I also fabricated the landing gear struts. This involved some experimentation, which tested my patience a wee bit. I first tried styrene tube in a vise to get the elliptical shape, but the tube either cracked or would not form properly, so I tried heating it. No better results. :( I started sanding some styrene rod, but that was taking forever when I realized that rectangular strip with edges sanded round would be much easier. :P That worked! I used a horizontal triangle of the same strip to form the bottom 'V" of the struts, and pinned and glued the struts to the V. I have drilled holes in the top of the struts for brass wire pins, as metal rod braces were actually used and visible on the prototype as well, and will make for a solid connection on the model. The axle will be bungee'd to the top of the vee.
I have started assembling the HGW seatbelts and have installed them on the observer's seat. Although the PE parts are tiny, I was surprised at how they went together relatively quickly and without much difficulty. The only issue I encountered was not cutting the belt material narrow enough initially to thread through the adjustment buckle. The straight edge and #11 blade took care of that quickly. I am pleased with how these belts look, and how easy it is to get them to lay nicely on the seat. They seem to work better in that regard than the metal ones, which I sometimes have problems with because the tend to bend only in one direction and can remain a bit stiff even after annealing. I will try to complete the installation of belts on the pilot's seat this evening.
The next step will be a bit more detailing of the top end of the engine, i.e. spark plug wires, since they are pretty clearly visible. This will be a bit tedious (not my favorite thing to do, either), but should work out okay. With any luck, I will then be ready to close up the fuselage perhaps by the end of this weekend. :) That will be a big event in this build! There will still be a good bit of detailing to add to the exterior of the fuselage once it is closed up and the seams taken care of, but that should move fairly quickly (if one can say anything moves "quickly" in a scratchbuild!) ;).
The wings are cut out and formed, but still require a good bit of sanding to proper shape. The tail planes and fin are cut out and sanded as well, but I still need to fabricate the ailerons and elevators. I think I will do those as solid parts with some sanding and painting to pick out the framing, rather than building a skelton and covering it. Too much else to do! :D
Then . . . the cabane struts and top wing mounting bracket, which may be one of the bigger challenges (and will require some soldering of brass rod/tube, which I will have to get some help with), along with the radiator and piping.
Sorry for this lengthy ramble, but it sort of just happened, a form of thinking out loud which helps me to take stock of where I am and what else needs to be done on this build. Thanks for listening. Some fun, eh! :D Updated pix this weekend.
Regards,
Bob
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These scratch build threads make me awestruck to say the least.
Truly an inspiration.
-Roger
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Hello Bob:
The engine looks good sitting in the compartment and adds a sense of progress on the build; not that the fuselage halves don't. By reading your narrative, it also seems as if you have worked out a lot of the small details to good effect. So.......I will be looking forward as to how you progress. I too would welcome an A/H albie from WNW. Maybe in the November - December time frame?
Best
Mark
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Time for a mini photo update. The HGW seatbelts are installed and the cockpit is officially finished. Here are some shots of it sitting in place in the fuselage:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5986_zpsaa8316d5.jpg)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5983_zps60bae378.jpg)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5985_zpsd4bad22c.jpg)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5987_zpsc30c8392.jpg)
I'm happy with the overall look, but I think the observer's stool might be a tad high. I'm not going to change it though, as it will look fine from above when the fuselage is closed up. I have some photos of the Lloyd with a pilot in his seat, and it apears that the crew sat fairly high in the cockpit anyway (the photos also show how relatively small the Lloyd was for a 2-seater---you can really tell that with the pilot in the cockpit). I still have to add some wires along the near side of the cockpit framing. The observer's desk will be added when the cockpit assembly is glued in place, as it rests on the interior fuselage longeron running along the top of the cockpit on the port side. It will cover the front port quadrant of the observer's space.
This is as much detail as I like in a cockpit, since much of it will be hard to see once the fuselage is closed. Not museum standard, but I'm satisfied, and it was fun to do! I've been largely following the lead of the two build threads for the 1/48 Special Hobby Lloyd C.V with regard to the interior, along with the prototype photos posted there.
The engine is now complete with the addition of spark plug wires, although you can't see much of them behing the tree-like manifold. I chose to do little detailng or weathering of te engine (a WNW sprue from the LVG kit) because most of it will be invisible in the fuselage, hence no wires to the distributor caps, since they will never be seen. Here's a shot:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5984_zps324ba03f.jpg)
I hope to close up the fuselage this weekend. At last! I finally feel like I mght get this done by April 29th! ;) Thanks for watching.
Regards,
Bob
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Brilliant work, Bob! Just perfect.
Cheers,
Bud
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Hi Bob:
Looking really good. It is neat to see this come together. How do you like the HGW seat belts. I used them for the first time in my Pfalz DXII. The wanted to curl up. I soaked them in water to no avail, and finally had to CA glue them in place. I don't like fiddling with PE, I guess I like them, and I will use them again. Wondering what you think. You are certainly doing a bang up job on this, and I suspect with due diligence, you will meet the 29 April deadline.
Best
Mark
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Thanks all!
Mark, I had to CA the belts also, but I do like them better than the PE ones, because they are more supple and fold over compund curves better, and I think they hang more loosely and realistically. Not perfect, but a little easier to work with than the PE, IMO. Of course, they're a little more work to assemble, but I'll take the tradeoff.
Well, the fuselage is now buttoned up, and the seams filled with CA, sanded, then Squadron green putty applied. I'll try to get the seams sanded tomorrow. I'll post some pix when that's complete. I think I'll take a break from the fuselage for a bit and work on the wings. The bottoms are sanded and just need to have the battans cut and applied. The tops still need lots of sanding before the battans are applied. When that's all done, I'll be ready to start painting the base coat for the wood. :)
I am also in the process of ordering a wooden prop for the LLoyd from Doug Craner at the Prop Shop. Doug has been very helpful looking into an appropriate propeller for the Lloyd, and its been interesting learning about A-H props. I'm sure it will look great on this machine!
So far, so good.
Regards,
Bob
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Time for the weekend update. :)
The fuselage is now closed and the seams filled and sanded, ready for exterior details.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5989_zps19d000a9.jpg)
The engine compsrtment vents can be seen in this shot. Louvers will be added a little further back.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5991_zpsb178379e.jpg)
Here's a bit of the cockpit. The observers desk will be added after the fuselage is painted,
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5992_zpscf3f4e17.jpg)
Here are the bottom wings, as I am beginning to add the battans.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5995_zpsbfee9ce0.jpg)
I have started fabricating some of the fuselage details, but will probably focus on the wings now until they are ready for paint. I have decided to go with oils over sealed acrylic for the mahogany veneer finish, mainly because I plan to mask and paint the crosses on white fields for the scheme I have chosen, and masking over decals, even if sealed, makes me very nervous. A further benefit is that oils will go much faster, even with the drying time, and we do have a deadline to meet. ;)
Regards,
Bob
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That's gotta be a pretty satisfying step, Bob. Looks great.
Lindsay
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Coming together brilliantly!!!
Steve
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Bob,
Beautiful work ............ learning much from your build .............
Ken
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Me too, I love this forum for the learning aspect. The inspiration as well.
-Roger
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Here's a mid-week mini-report, since I'll be away this weekend and further progress will stall for a few days.
The battans are added and sanded on the lower wings, and the brass pins installed in the wing roots. Naturally, I just had to assemble what I could, i.e., lower wings, fuselage and horizontal stabilizers. I can actually start to see an aeroplane here!
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5996_zps698f10d0.jpg)
The assemblage is only fit together by brass pins, and is merely temporary, just to see what it looks like and to make sure things line up. No glue yet! The aircraft is resting on the lower wing dihedral jig I made from sheet and srtip styrene. The lower wings of the Lloyd have some dihedral, while the top wing is dead straight.
I've still got lots to do, but this test fitting is kind of exciting. ;D
Regards,
Bob
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That is exciting!
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That is exciting!
Yes, I must admit that my heart raced for a second when I opened the thread. Really looking good, Bob.
Cheers,
Bud
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Crickey - this is brilliant!
Sorry that I have not been following the GB builds, Bob - your cockpit work is very impressive, actually.
Regards
Dave
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Bob,
What can I say other than this project just keeps getting better and better with each update. It's a joy to follow my friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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A pleasure to behold ;)
Keep up the great work, Bob!
Cheers,
Bob
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coming along really well. thanks for building it. now wnw will release one next year. if they dont perhaps i can pay you for a vac of the fuselage.
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Ahhh, Alby, you figured out my master plan! I hope WNW is watching. ;)
Thanks for the kind word guys. I'll be doing some heavy duty sanding on the top wings tonight, but that will be it for a few days, as I'll be on the road.
I'm pleased with my progress thus far, and it's beginning to look like a Lloyd, but I still have the tough fiddly stuff ahead---center beam cabane struts, three wing struts per side, and landing gear. Gulp! :o I'll need to craft some jigs to get all of this lined up too. :) Lots to do before April 29th!
Regards,
Bob
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Alby, I missed the second part of your message. I would be happy to furnish you with a vac Lloyd fuselage, if only I still had the master! :'( Being a neophyte to vacuforming, I made two fundamental mistakes: first, I used balsa rather than basswood for the master; second, I used Krylon rattle can paint to seal the fuselage master. Big mistake! The heated plastic melted the Krylon and fused the master to the vac styrene shell during molding. :-[ I literally had to chisel out the balsa master in a myriad of pieces to free up the molded fuselage! Arrrghh! Well, at least I learned how not to do it, and the silver lining is that at least I got one good useble fuselage molding. :D My early travails are on display earlier in this thread, in all their gory detail. ::)
We're just going to have to wait on WNW, or someone with more sense than me to properly mold a Lloyd fuselage. ;)
Regards,
Bob
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i was half joking, although i love the lloyd cv , i built the special hobby 1/48 one and liked it so much i bought another to build it again later. its kinda birdlike wings, unique in that it has the veneer covering and has that cool hansa brand looking rudder with taubish elevators. a 1/32 version would be nice. plus i am a big a-h fan. i really hope wnw does an aviatik berg d1. think of all the great schemes for that one.a h.b. c.1 would be great too.
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I concur entirely Alby. I would really like to see more A-H aircraft in 1/32---they're so interesting! I got hooked on the Lloyd when I saw a scratch-built 1/48 model online, and then a couple of SH kit build logs. It is a beautiful and graceful aircraft, IMHO, and the mahogany veneer is just so different from anything else. Yeah, the wings. What great lines! I'm currently sanding the top wings to the proper airfoil taper and shape, and they are really cool. I think you'll enjoy seeing them finally in wood finish (I certainly will!). This will be a Series 82 WKF-built machine, and will have the wing crosses on white fields. It should look pretty good. :D
Do you have pics of your Lloyd posted anywhere? I'd love to see it.
I had never scratchbuilt an airplane before, but Des's build logs for the Voisin and Taube sort of inspired me, and when I saw Ken Galloway enter the 2-seater Group Build with a scratchbuilt AEG, I threw caution to the wind and jumped in with the Lloyd. I'm learning a great deal and improving skills with this project, so it's been enjoyable, and seeing the Lloyd come together is very satisfying. That said, I'm still hoping for a WNW to fulfill the modelers' corollary to Murphy's Law--if you scratchbuild it, a klt will be released within 12 months. ;D Like I said before, I'd really like to do an Austro-Daimler powered Lloyd in Autumn mottle camoflage. :)
Regards,
Bob
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Hello Bob:
A special tip of the hat and hats off to you for breaking ground on this kit. Providing the prophesy will come true, in about 12 months from hence, we should see a production kit of this, hopefully by WNW. You are to be commended for breaking this ground for the rest of us modelers who sit back and marvel at your craftsmanship and "daring".
I agree, the A/H a/c certainly have their place in the scheme of things, are unique both in appearance and marking. With all the Focke Wulfe, Messerschmit, Mustangs out there it would be nice to see a manufacturer put out one of these.
Best
Mark
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no pics of my lloyd online. its actually not 100% complete(as are a bunch of my stuff) i seem to get sidetracked into other projects. i love so many diff types and have short attn span i suppose.as to why i generally dont post too much of my stuff. for one i dont have a good enuff camera to take high quality shots. another reason is due to my random nature of working on diff stuff always i dont think my build logs would be anything but annoying to others. i would post a few steps than stop working on that kit for 6months or a year and i would end up with a bunch of disconected unfinished build logs. i would rather just occasionally post some pics of completed stuff or in some cases post things for opinions as i did with my dr.1 a while back. i am feverishly trying to complete a few for my local ipms contest so after that i will most likely post the stuff i enter. i too am inspired by des's scratch builds and now by yours and kens. i am thinking of dipping a toe in the scratch waters. thinking 1/32 halberstadt d.ii.
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I understand completely Alby. Of my first six builds, I had to stop part way through and do something else, based more on frustration than anything else. After completing another kit, I was able to come back fresh and finally get the other ones completed. I also have a rather large stash of 1/48 WWII kits that are yelling in my ear for attention, and I've just got to start gettng some of my 1/32 pilot/ground crew figures painted at some point, and . . . .
Regards,
Bob
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Weekly update time folks. I have made some progress, although it may not be readily apparent. The top wings took a good deal of sanding, and adding the battans was a slow process. The airfoil shape may not be perfect, as there appears to be a somehat flat portion in the center, but they look similar enough to photos of 1/48 Lloyds that I am satisfied with them. As soon as the battans are finished and sanded this weekend, I will prime and paint the wings in prep for the oil wood grain finsh. Here are the wings on the workbench:
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The horizontal stabilizer and fin are in the background, simple triangles. I still need to cut out and shape the scalloped rudder, elevators and ailerons, which will all be CDL.
I've also reached the point where I need to think things through carefully regarding fabrication of remaining components and planning jigs for same and for final assembly. I'm also working on certain details such as landing gear and the cabane strut assembly. Much of this invovles noodle work, sketching and making notes, with some trial and error experimentation with various materials I think might work for a certain components.
I have come fairly far with the landing gear. The struts are finished, except for insertion of 1.2 mm brass pins to connect to the fuselage, and a brass wire step on the front port strut that I still need to add. The axel will be a length of 1.5 mm brass tube, bungee lashed to the struts, and wheels will be a spare set from a Roden Albatros kit that match the size and appearance from my plans. I will need to fabricate a fairing around the axel as well.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6019_zps98d27d43.jpg)
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I also made some fuselage louvre vents from leftover .005 strip styrene from the battans:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6021_zps0d014184.jpg)
I will need to make a master for the prop spinner and vacuform that as well. Doug Craner's wooden Jaray prop should arrive next week. :D
I have now made a list of all of the things I still need to do. It's fairly lengthy. :P Yikes! Only two months to go! Scratchbuilding is very satisfying, but having to fabricate parts that I would usually just cut off the sprue can be annoying sometimes! ;) It's really just a matter of how much longer everything takes. I'd better get back to work now. ;D
Regards,
Bob
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Bob,
Outstanding update my friend. Your wings are quite impressive as is.I'm very much interested in seeing them finished with the wood graining applied.Her landing gear is looking excellent as well. I absolutely love those engine cooling louvers, how were they fabricatated? From the photo I can't tell if they're build up or made using the heat and mash method. Either way they look great and will add much to the detail of the fuselage. Keep up the Outstanding works and it's pure pleasure following this project saga.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Very solid work!! Great engineering. You should be very satisfied with the results and I look forward to the next installment.
Steve
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What happened to your photos? They are gone. I noticed this on a J.I thread as well?
:'(
Steve
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Hi Steve. The photos are all here on my thread. Not sure what's going on. I use photobucket to post. Any one else having a problem?
Regards,
Bob
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Looks ok here.. Sometimes photobucket hiccups...
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Oh... And nice update! Landing gear struts look great.
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Time for another mini-update. Here are the wings, painted and Futured, ready for oils:
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The lighting makes the color appear more reddish, when, in fact, it is Tamiya Desert Yellow, and looks such in natural light. As I write this, the oils were applied last night per the Eric Larson tutorial in Hints & Tips here, and the wings immediatey ensconced in a dust-free container to dry foe a few days. I think they look pretty goods, but no pix until they dry! ;) Then, I seal the tops and flip them over to do the bottoms. :)
I've started my strut experimentation, but will be away this weekend, so maybe I'll have an answer next week. Until then, take care everyone!
Regards,
Bob
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Incredible looking wings, Bob! She's coming along beautifully.
Cheers,
Bud
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Looking really nice Bob! You do some masterful scratchbuilding.
One quick question. Do you airbrush Future or apply it with a brush? If airbrushed as I suspect it is, how many coats? I've yet to try airbrushing it for an overall gloss coat so any tips will be gratefully received. Lastly, are those Floquil paint bottles I see in your images?
Okay, that was more than one quick question.
Cheers,
Chris
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not sure what bob has done but i apply future with a wide soft clean brush that i have set aside just to apply future. it self levels so well without a brushstroke. the only thing is to apply in thin coats and let dry for several hours or overnight before the second coat. if not the orig coat will sorta melt and gum up a bit. i tryed to airbrush future and it wasnt worth it to me. first it seemed to pool up and run even experimenting w pressures. second it seemed to dry in the airbrush quickly and began sputtering at which time i had to do a complete teardown and cleaning. just not necessary when you can so easily brush it on and rinse that brush off in faucet water right quick.you can thin future with water which makes a nice semigloss finish. or add future to acrylic paint to make translucent washes.
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Thanks Chris and Alby. Interesting thoughts. I airbrush Future, several thin coats until I am satisfied with the gloss sheen. It does dry VERY quickly, and the airbrush requires regular and frequent flushing to remain clean. With these wings, by the time I got around to the last one, the first was dry enough to apply another coat. You can get away with that with airbrushing, as long as you are not applying too thickly. Again, for these wings I was merely sealing and giving a smooth enough finish for the oils to flow smoothly when brushing the woodgrain. IMO, I did not add enough gloss to apply decals well (except maybe lozenge).
I simply never thought about brushing Future, but thanks for sharing your technique Alby! :D It would be a bit less work, so I will experiment with a brush as you have suggested, and see which way I like best. I love learning new things here on the Forum! ;D
Regards,
Bob
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not sure what bob has done but i apply future with a wide soft clean brush that i have set aside just to apply future. it self levels so well without a brushstroke. the only thing is to apply in thin coats and let dry for several hours or overnight before the second coat. if not the orig coat will sorta melt and gum up a bit.
Yep, that's how I employ it too. Your tip to let it dry several hours or even overnight between coats is one to pay heed to. When I first started using it, I thought it was drying almost instantaneously . . . but experience proved that it doesn't.
Cheers,
Chris
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I have been applying Future with a Q-tip for years. All of the above still applies. You have to let it dry overnight or a long time so it doesn't gum up. I too tried airbrushing with no luck. On natural metal finishes it gives it a weathered look. I did the Monogram B-29 that way, and one of the guys in the club was amazed at the realistic weathering acheived. When I told him what I did and the result wasn't planned but serrindipitous, he was dumbfounded. I have also used a brush to good effect.
Good Luck
Mark
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Slow but steady progress. Here is a test fit of the landing gear. I am pleased, but final positioning will require an assembly jig to be fabricated soon.
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Here are the wing tops with dried oils. I have not yet sealed them with Future and clear orange.
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They appear a bit dark compared to other natural wood, but this is mahogany, which is generally darker than the pine or birch often seen on other aircraft. They are not really as reddish as the pics appear due to the incandescent lighting. I think it will be fine. Now, after sealing, I flip them and do the other side. While that's drying, I will build jigs, work on struts, etc. Time to paint the fuselage too!
The next steps will challenge me. I need to solder brass tube/rod for the cabane wing mounting bracket, this guy here:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/lloyd_sh_42_zpsb8ffab4b.jpg)
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These superb examples are from Wojtek Fajga's stunning 1/48 Special Hobbies Lloyd. I've got my work cut out for me! ;)
My time period has been shortened by a week. Mother-in-law is arriving on April 21st, and she occupies the spare bedroom where my modeling desk is located. ::) I'll have to try to be finished by then! ;)
Chris, the bottles are PollyScale acrylic railroad colors, made by Floquil. I find their color selection useful, and they airbrush and handbrush well.
Regards,
Bob
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Bob,
Outstanding update my friend.Her landing gear looks awesome! Keep the outstanding work.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Bob,
Sorry, only just catching up on your project - I take hat off to you and others who knock a model up from scratch!
Great work so far and progressing nicely. Good luck on the remainder of your build, mate.
Regards
Dave
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Looking really Great Bob.............. Landing gear looks great.......... I'm torn between using brass or plastic when get around to fabricating mine .....
Ken
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I hear you Ken. ;) I ended up experimenting with brass tube for the landing struts, but couldn't get it into a proper areodynamic shape, so I settled on rectangular styrene strip sanded to an elliptical cross section and connected with brass pins. It seemed like the easist way to get the combination of ellipical cross-section and "V" shape, and appears to be sufficiently sturdy. Brass tubing would have worked fine for round cross-section struts. The axle is brass tube and will have a styrene fairing formed around it eventually.
Since I'm here, I might as well note that the elevators and rudder are now fabricated, the fuselage sides and top have been painted, sealed and oil-grained, and the oils are drying in the dust-free box for a few more days. The wings are now sealed with clear and I am ready to cut the masks for painting the national markings on the wings. The cabane struts are fabricated from Plastruct plastic coated wire, but the top wing mounting bracket still awaits my attention.
The results of my wing strut experimentation established that bamboo skewers will be the easiest material to make these from, having the right combination of stiffness, narrow diameter and ease of sanding to the appropriate ellipitcal shape and drillng to accept brass locating pins. I still have to fabricate the rest of these.
More on all of this later. I hope to have more pictures soon.
Regards,
Bob
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Excellent progress Bob, I really like the way the wings turned out. The fuselage interior fitted beautifully within the fuselage halves, it's always a nice feeling when that happens. Looking forward to your next update.
Des.
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Bob,
Here is a video just for you! Not Lloyds but still related! Enjoy..........
Ken
http://www.europafilmtreasures.eu/PY/457/see-the-film-the_tyrolean_eagles_of_war_in_winter
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Thanks Ken! Great piece of film, and particularly interesting since we have Dan's H-B C.II under construction right now over in Vacuform Kits. :) Interesting to see these kits being pushed out of the large tent hangers.
I hope to have an update report posted over the weekend. The oil grain is still drying on the fuselage, and I have started the process of painting the national emblems (early maltese cross on white field) on the top and bottom wings. I am following the technique of masking the field, painting it black, the applying masking tape crosses and then finishing with white. I'm looking forward to seeing how they come out. The black is on, and I will cut the masks tonight and paint the white tomorrow, so maybe I'll have pix for the update. I'm also working on the ailerons.
Since it might be of broader interest, I thought I'd share an issue raised by Steve (Checkers67). Some of the authoritative A-H aircraft books indicate that the mahogany veneer was applied to the wings on the Lloyd with the grain running spanwise, which is the opposite of what I have done. I opted for chordwise based on a discussion of this issue in Peter Plattner's build log for the 1/48 SH Lloyd C.V, which he modified to a WKF-built Series 82 aircraft. The discussion is as follows:
"The direction of woodgrain on the wing was a basic question. As there have been no drawings or other information available, I consulted a lot of my friends associated to WWI aviation and even building replicas in 1:1 scale like Koloman Mayerhofer. In long discussions we came to the conclusion it must have been span-wise for static reasons.
As I found out, much later in an article of a magazine of 1918 about building veneer wings we all have been wrong, it was chord-wise! The reason was, the 3 layer ply was not included in static calculations. Modellers fate, I will not change it on my model."
Being somewhat lazy and in a hurry, I have not bothered checking Peter's sources, I simply accepted his conclusions. Peter's model looks great with the grain spanwise (which he indicates is not accurate), but I think either direction looks fine. It is impossible to tell one way or the other from photos, particularly since these wings were so heavily varnished that the glossy surface results in all kinds of shine and reflection. I will hypothosize that the veneer may have been applied both ways on different series of aircraft built by different manufacturers in different factotries. The aircraft I am modeling was not built by Lloyd, but rather was license-built by WKF, so maybe WKF applied the veneer with the grain chordwise, whilst Lloyd applied it spanwise. :) Works for me!
I think this question is somewhat akin to the Voss triplane color conundrum, with no definitive answer and more than one possible option, although far fewer folks probably worry about mahogany wings than Voss's tripe. ;)
Pics soon.
Regards,
Bob
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Here's the weekend update. I have painted the national insignia on the wings, and now she's clearly an Austro-Hungarian bird!
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To paint the markings I first located a good pattern for the pre-1918 maltese cross used by the A-H air service. I had an article from Dr. Martin O'Conner in Cross & Cockade which included a copy of the original 1917 A-H spec sheet for aircraft insgnia, as shown below:
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I used the reduce/enlarge function on my office copier to size the crosses appropriately for the 1/32 wings, fuselage and rudder, and made several copies of each size. I then cut out the cross for the wings and used it as a pattern to outline the cross on blue painter's masking tape, and then cut out the cross masks. The pattern and tape are shown below with the finshed wing:
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The outline of the white field was masked on each wing, and then painted black. A light coat of Future was applied over than to help the cross masks both adhere well and peel off without pullng up any paint. The masking tape crosses were the carefully positioned within the "black" fields and smoothed down well. Pollyscale Reefer White was then airbrushed over the fields in several light coats until full coverage was achieved. After drying, the masks were carefully removed to reveal these results:
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This photo also shows the cut out but incomplete aileron, along with the tail/rudder and horizontal stabilizer/elevator. These are still in need of further sanding and painting.
That's it for now--still waiting for the fuselage wood grain oils to dry completely. It will soon be time to get serious about assembly jigs, although there are still several details to fabricate such as the axle fairing, the top wing mounting bracket, the wing struts, the radiator, the exhaust pipes and the observer's railing. A little more each day.
Regards,
Bob
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Very, very sharp work!! The white over black certainly covered well. Im always concerned about paint build up in that situation-light over dark.
Steve
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Nice
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Beautifully done, Bob.
Cheers,
Bud
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I simply love your project Llloyd is one of the beautifuly ugly planes ever.
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Thanks Steve, Bo and Bud! ;D I'm excited about this stage,as the addition of the crosses make things begin to look like the final product! The white over black technique was borrowed from someone here, I think it was Dan or Bud. I would not have tried light over dark on my own. The theory is that it is easier to position the cross mask within the field than to position and outline mask, and that part seemed true. I agree Steve, it's sort of counterintuitive with the white over black, and I was a little skeptical, but the Pollyscale covers well with a layering of thin coats. The technique really worked like a charm. Although you can't really tell from the photos, the white fields blend right in to the "wood" wing surface without and visible vertical edge, only the crisp and sharp demarcation between dark wood and white paint. I am thrilled with how well this worked!
I think you guys will like the fuselage. I sneaked a peak in the drying box, and it really looks pretty neat in wood grain after all those months of dirty white plastic. Unfortunately, it is a lengthy process, since this genious hasn't been able to figure out how to paint the four sides of the box shape at one time, so only the sides and top are oil grained right now. After sealing those, I will grain the bottom and repeat the drying process. I could have built a jig perhaps, or tried using the prop shaft as a holder, but I didn' want to risk dislodging the engine from its mounts within the sealed fuselage by putting to much pressure on the shaft, so I opted for the low tech old fashioned way. I still have lots of other stuff to work on whilst the further drying takes place, so no real harm other than to my impatience to see the cross fields on the fuselage and get the metal cowling/engine covers painted. ;)
Thanks for following this project and for all.of your support and help!
Regards,
Bob
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. . . and thanks to Filip as well. I agree entirely. The Lloyd design is a beautiful ugly duckling! The mahogany veneer, knife-like wing shape and scalloped flying surfaces really fascinate me. It reminds me of a bird. A very unique design. I love the A-H aircraft for their different and interesting appearances.
Regards,
Bob
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aaaauuuhhh come on sneek us a peek....
Steve
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Okay Steve, since you asked. :D I checked and the fuselage is dry. Here are some shots of it as is, without clear orange overcoat or highlighting of nailheads and seams:
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I couldn't resist dry-fitting the bottom wings: ;)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6092_zps690f927f.jpg)
Now, back to the gritty work of fabricating details. ;)
Regards,
Bob
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Oh, BTW, the color of the fuselage does match the top wings. They just look different due to different lighting. Not to worry. :)
Regards,
Bob
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Brilliant!!! Thank you for the advance look and putting it together temporarily.
Steve
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This project is really coming along, Bob. Stellar work on your scratchbuilt Lloyd and I love that dark, rich wooden finish- it reminds me of a classic Chris Craft motor boat. This is one amazing build.
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That does look like veneer to me, Bob. It should make for an attractive model I think.
Nigel
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Thanks so much guys! You're right Vickers---the wood color and graining does look like a ChrisCraft, and that's a good thing in this case! ;)
Regards,
Bob
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Outstanding work, Bob! This is getting exciting.
Cheers,
Bud
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It looks like you carved it from a block of walnut. I can't get any better than that.
Cheers,
Chris
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Stunning paint job Bob! All you need is some Pledge to keep the dust off your new furniture-airplane. Love your build. More photos please.
;D
Steve
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Hello all. The Doug Craner wood Knoller-Jaray prop has arrived! Its a real beauty:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6096_zps0be2457d.jpg)
Anyone have any ideas where I might get artwork for the Jaray label or decals? More soon.
Regards,
Bob
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Still plodding along. I got the engine compartment covers, landing gear struts and cabane struts painted, as well as the fuselage crosses:
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Couldn't resist adding the fin for one shot ;):
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There are still lots of PE details to add to the fuselage, as well as resin rivets on decal film from Archer Fine Transfers to represent the bolt heads on the engine compartment covers. I've also cast a plaster master for the prop spinner, which I will vacuform. The serial number on the fuselage will be a decal made on my home computer and laser printer.
The flying surfaces are all finshed and awaiting paint. They are visible in the background. I still need to get to that top wing mounting bracket. I will need to make a jig for that. Still lots to do, but much less than before. I'm getting there, and trying to think through next steps and keep the build in proper order. I hope I don't overlook too many things! ;)
Regards,
Bob
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Bob,
Looking very much one of a kind and beautifully done; this is a really interesting project you have going here and certainly an eye catching Model in the works. Nice work, great demo of your skills, and a very interesting Thread to follow!
Cheers,
Lance
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Bob,
Absolutely beautiful craftsmanship my old friend. Your woodwork is amazingly true to the original.Looking forward to seeing more.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Your plodding is beautiful. Using that definition of plodding I am clearly crawlin' on ma' belly....
Steve
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she sure is looking like a lloyd now my friend. spectacular work.
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Thanks for all the kind words guys! I have a little over three weeks left to go, since my mother-in-law will be occupying my modeling room on April 21st for about a month, and I won't be able to get as much done after that. I might not make the Group Build cutoff, but no problem. I'll just have Des slide me on over to Scratchbuilt and I'll git 'er done before too long. ;)
The wheels are now painted and the axle fairing is almost complete. I have finally laid out the jig for the top wing mounting bracket, and will put that together tonight. Maybe some soldering this weekend :o, and I hope to get the flying surfaces painted also. I broke down and ordered the JH Biplane jig last Sunday (it looked like just what I need for an ad hoc assembly like this, and beautifully designed as well, plus it will save me all kinds of time in not having to design and build my own!). I should have it by tomorrow or Monday, so I am nearing readiness for ssome major assembly, while lots of smaller details remain. I sort of know what I have left to do, but I'm just not sure how long it will take. It's definately a little different when you have to fabricate most of the small parts! :D I'll post more pix when I something substantial to show.
Take care guys!
Regards,
Bob
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Here's the latest, moving along at a deliberate pace. I actually built a jig and soldered the top wing mounting bracket (a pair of 3mm wide lengths of brass tube connected by brass rod about 1.9mm long overall), FINALLY! I had been putting this off because I was nervous about my lack of skill and experience with soldering, but the jig made things easy and it went well, over in about 3 minutes (all that fretting for naught!). Here is the jig, with the soldered parts:
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Note the big blobs of solder; like I said, not my forte. Still, it cleaned up with a jeweler's file pretty well. This pic shows the bracket with the brass rod top wing pins which slide through the bracket tubes:
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The bracket tubes rest on the cabane struts, which meet in an inverted V along the centerline of the fuselage. Here is another pic of the mounting bracket and wing pins, with the wheels thrown in to show relative size:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6103_zps832639e0.jpg)
I couldn't resist doing the crosses on the wheels, as I do not have any other aircraft models like that. It appears from photos that the AH air service employed this wheel motif frequently, and I have several pictures of Series 82 Lloyds with such wheels. I like them. ;)
The flying surfaces are now ready for paint. Although it's hard to see in the photos, I sanded between the ribs, and the surfaces feel and appear slightly scalloped. I will accentuate that with paint and weathering.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6105_zps43931dbe.jpg)
That's all for now. We are babysitting my daughter's 14-week old Black Lab puppy for another week, so progress will be slow--the puppy is a real handful and takes lots of what used to be free time! ;) . . . but she's really cute. ;D
Cheers,
Bob
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Oooops! Correction on length of top wing mounting bracket: 1.9cm--not mm!
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Extraordinary job with the wing mounting bracket, Bob. This is really getting exciting.
Be careful. Lab pups love to chew. They seem to be especially fond of plastic.
Cheers,
Bud
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I hear you Bud! This pup chomps on just about everything. :o Fear not--the Lloyd is well protected! ;)
Regards,
Bob
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Hello Bob:
Good progress on the wing mounting bracket. Not sure I understand the whole concept, but I take your word for it. I like the wheels! The AH folks knew how to dress up an airplane. I am looking forward to seeing more.
Best
Mark
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Looking absolutely brilliant Bob, your level of craftmanship is extrordinary. The wood finish on the fuselage and wings is amazing, it looks as close to real wood as anyone could achieve, and your jig and soldering is excellent. This is going to be a superb model when completed and I look forward to the next update.
Des.
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Thanks Bud, Mark and Des, for the very kind words. :) Your encouragement is much appreciated on this lengthy project, as I near completion. I really am in uncharted territory, so it's great to have company! ;D
Mark, the top wing mouting brack was apparently a feature of the protype, although not necessarily in the precise form that modelers of the Lloyd use. The top wing is in two pieces, joined by the mouting bracket atop the cabanes. A picture is much easier--here are some 1/48 build pics of this arrangement, described earlier:
The next steps will challenge me. I need to solder brass tube/rod for the cabane wing mounting bracket, this guy here:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/lloyd_sh_42_zpsb8ffab4b.jpg)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/lloyd_sh_110_zps25692291.jpg)
These superb examples are from Wojtek Fajga's stunning 1/48 Special Hobbies Lloyd. I've got my work cut out for me! ;)
Seems like AH designs often had unusual strut arrangements, and the Lloyd is no exception.
Regards,
Bob
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Wow. Spectacular work Bob. Soldering and using a jig to accomplish the task? Geesh! (http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l474/ChrisJohnson56/gifs/bow_zps482bbdda.gif)
Cheers,
Chris
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Thanks Chris! I'm sort of making this up as I go. ;) Not really, just remembering the way some of my model railroad buddies put brass parts together. This was the first jig I ever made, and wow did it make things easy with the soldering. In my few previous attempts ast soldering, I always felt like I needed an extra hand! The jig took care of that problem. :D
Regards,
Bob
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Bob,
In all honesty my old friend this project thread of yours just keeps getting more amazing with each new update. Thanks for all the outstanding tips too.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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The built machine looks fragile and perfect but seeing the components shows how strong she will be!!
Steve
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Thanks for the support guys! Thngs have been progrssing, but slowly. Unfortunately, I will not make the deadline, so I will ask Des to slide this one on over to the Scratchbuilt section. I hope to be done before the end of May. :)
Here is the array of what have so far:
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While it looks like I am close, there is still actually a good deal left to do, and with the impending mother-in-law visit, just not enough time.
The axle fairing is complete, finishing up the landing gear components. I ended up using a solid piece of styrene strip sanded to shape for the fairing, and drilled deep holes in the ends to insert the brass rod axle. Not what I had originally intended, but it seems sturdy enough and was much easier to fabricate than wraping thin sheet around formers slipped over full length brass rod. :o The details are styrene strip and brass rod (sorry for the fuzzy photo):
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6153_zps9650aa23.jpg)
Here are the ailerons and tail surfaces painted, showing the undersides. Photos of the prototype show that from below, the ribs show up as shadows through the CDL, but not so when viewed from above:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6149_zpsd8ff0e9f.jpg)
I am in the process of adding details to the fuselage. Most are from the Part, HGW or Tom's Albatros detail sets, along with some rersin rivet decals from Archer:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6147_zps0b3c8cf2.jpg)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6143_zps923c31f6.jpg)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6146_zps2f221da9.jpg)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6145_zps5483d4cf.jpg)
I have the JH biplane jig, and need to assemble that soon. Also, I still need to fabricate the wing struts, radiator and piping, exhaust pipes, tail skid (a tricky bit on this bird!), and observer's rail cage, as well as vacuforming the spinner.
Back soon.
Cheers,
Bob
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Bob,
The Lloyd C.V just keeps getting better and better my old friend. She's one Awesome project!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Magnificent, Bob! This is quickly becoming my favorite project on the forum.
Cheers,
Bud
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Tremendous work on this one - this is museum quality building!!!!
Steve
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Beautiful work, Bob ;)
Thanks for sharing.
Vb
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all i can say is hell yeah!!!!!!!!
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Very Cool , I would love to see this one finished .Awesome work !
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Bob,
Incredible work, truly the apex of the modeller's art! Raw materials to a Museum Quality Replica and seemingly every technique in the arsenel utilised along the way.............this is modelling at its' best and is providing no end of enjoyment to our Members; keep those updates and the good work flowing!
Cheers,
Lance
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Wow guys! I'm truly humbled and overwhelmed by your positive response to this project. :) I really feel like I'm just an everyday modeler who is simply experimenting a bit with some new techniques that I've been encouraged to try by the fantastic modelers on this forum who share so much of their art and skills. I truly could not have brought this model to this stage without the motivation, example, learning and encouragement supplied by all of you. In this sense, the Lloyd is really your model as well, as I would never have even attempted it without this forum and its members. Thank you all for helping me along with this! :D Special thanks to Willi, Peter and Wojtek for their marvelous 1/48 build logs, without which this project would be far more difficult. You guys blazed the trail for me. ;D
I hope we will all be able to enjoy the finished product before too long. ;) What a great aircraft, and what a great community we have here. Thanks everyone!
Having said that, it will also be nice to get back to a simple regular kit for my next project! ;)
Regards,
Bob
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I can only agree with both the comments by others on your work, and your comments on the help and inspiration this forum provides. It truly does make a huge differance to the work we all do when we can get such great feedback and advice.
Ian
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Exacting and competent work on the wing bracket/cabane struts, Mr. Hallinger. The small jig you built is very fine and this has been one inspiring scratch build! You're right about your next kit build being a relief- but all of your careful measurement and construction is creating one beautiful and unique model.
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Simply superb modelling on display here Bob. You're a master of your craft.
Cheers,
Chris
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That is just beautiful! Keep up the great work...you are a rock star 8) 8)
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Still moving ahead, but the M-i-L takes over my modeling room on Sunday, so progress will definately slow. Nonetheless, I am very excited about my work over the last couple of days, since I managed to complete and install the tailskid, an effort I approached with great trepidation, as it is quite fiddly and delcate in design. Here it is:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6174_zps7937da87.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6174_zps7937da87.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6175_zps30eee7d6.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6175_zps30eee7d6.jpg.html)
I am very pleased with this outcome. The metal tripod armature is two pieces of brass rod bent to shape and the soldered on another simple wooden jig to form the tripod. The skid itself was cut and sanded/filed from strip styrene and then painted in wood with metal fittings. It was CA'ed to the pivot point of the tripod, then the joint was wrapped with 32 guage beading wire CA'ed in place then painted. To secure the bungee shock absorber to the fuselage, I made a small eyelet from 34 guage beading wire and drilled a hole for it between the tripod attachment points on the fuselage. The bungee is rigging monofilament wrapped, CA'ed in place and painted. The brackets at the tripod attachment points on the fuselage are from the PART Albatros PE set.
It's a relief to have this part completed. Next up: maybe the radiator and piping. I have assembled the JH biplane jig, so I can proceed with the wings and struts soon. :) The next month will be busy here, so I am still shooting for the end of May. I'm getting excited to see this bird all put together. ;D
Regards,
Bob
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Outstanding tailskid, it would almost make a display model by itself!
Ian
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Nice work. Looks sturdy too!
Steve
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It seems as though I have been missing an absolutely incredible build! Beautiful and detailed work!
RAGIII
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Outstanding work on the tail skid Bob, very intricate but you have pulled it off beautifully, well done.
Des.
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Very nice!
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An outstanding project Bob, your skills are excellent and well illustrated with this beauty. It's been very interesting catching up and following this imaculate build :D
Andrew
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Looking great . How is the gunners cage working out ? Reading this post has me wanting to build another Lloyd :) ,just bought another 1/48 SH Lloyd C.V. on E-bay.
Willi
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Hello all! Thanks for the kind comments and support. :)
Willi, glad to hear you're going to do another SH Lloyd in 1/48--your first is a beauty and a real inspiration and guide for this project. I haven't gotten up the nerve to do the observer's cage yet. I still have that, the radiator, exhaust pipes and water tank to fabricate. Like most other things, I suspect that once I get down to it, it won't be nearly as bad as I anticipate. I have your excellent build log description to guide me, too! ;D
Here's the latest: I vacuformed the spinner from a plaster master made from a rubber mold formed around the WNW Junkers J.1 spinner. Here it is with the Doug Craner Knoller-Jaray prop:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6184_zps2cca1c8f.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6184_zps2cca1c8f.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6187_zpsb4409fbd.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6187_zpsb4409fbd.jpg.html)
The wing strut blanks are shaped from bamboo skewers and the JH biplane jig is assembled and ready. Aircraft major component assembly is just ahead! Getting there! :D
Thanks for looking.
Regards
Bob
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Bob, this could pass for a WNW kit. Only better.
Cheers,
Bud
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Amazing museum quality work!!
Steve
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Hello all! Thanks for the kind comments and support. :)
Willi, glad to hear you're going to do another SH Lloyd in 1/48--your first is a beauty and a real inspiration and guide for this project. I haven't gotten up the nerve to do the observer's cage yet. I still have that, the radiator, exhaust pipes and water tank to fabricate. Like most other things, I suspect that once I get down to it, it won't be nearly as bad as I anticipate. I have your excellent build log description to guide me, too! ;D
Here's the latest: I vacuformed the spinner from a plaster master made from a rubber mold formed around the WNW Junkers J.1 spinner. Here it is with the Doug Craner Knoller-Jaray prop:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6184_zps2cca1c8f.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6184_zps2cca1c8f.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6187_zpsb4409fbd.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6187_zpsb4409fbd.jpg.html)
The wing strut blanks are shaped from bamboo skewers and the JH biplane jig is assembled and ready. Aircraft major component assembly is just ahead! Getting there! :D
Thanks for looking.
Regards
Bob
Hi Bob ,
I wish I could do a Lloyd in 1/32 nd like yours . It`s a great looking A/C so far . I could not pass up the Lloyd on E.bay so I bit the bullet and bought it . I`ll do the same A/C but with the Polish markings .
Keep up the good work ,
Willi
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Beautiful work !!
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Bob,
How's this beautiful Gem progressing of late? In need of a A/H fix.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Thanks Gregory. My progress has slowed of late, due mainly to my mother-in-law occupying my modeling room until the end of May, babysitting my daughter's 4-month-old lab puppy (boy does the pup take a lot of time!) and an impending trip to North Carolina for my son's college graduation. Work is busy too, right now. I'm just itching to get back to this bird though!
I am now preparing the lower wings for attachment to the fuselage. I have added the sheet metal wingwalks near the fuselage attachment point of the wings, using BareMetal foil, which worked quite well. The rest of the prep will involve locating and drilling the holes for the struts (three per side), along with the rigging attachmnt points. I will need to draw a rigging diagram before I can drill those holes.
Perhaps time away from the workbench will be good, since I've reached a point in this build where I need to think through very carefully the remaining things to be done, in order not to get out of sequence and make things more difficult. For example, drilling the holes in the wings will be much easier before they are attached. I will also need to give some thought to proper alignment and attachment of the top wings/mounting bracket to the cabane struts. I hope that the JH jig will be helpful with that and the wing struts.
I still have to fabricate the radiator (this weekend, I hope), piping, exhaust pipes and water tank, plus the observer's cage. I need to be able to sit at my bench for extended periods to do those things, so they will just have to wait.
Even with the delays, I still think that this one will hit a point before too long where it all comes together quickly and looks like a complete aeroplane. I'm pushing my ETA out until mid-June though. :( :)
Thanks for checking in!
Regards,
Bob
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Take your time Bob, and plan, plan, plan. What you already have is simply superb.
Cheers,
Chris
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Yeah, Bob, I'm gonna have to go ahead and get you to come in on Saturday and get the ETA bumped up from mid-June, mmmkay? That'd be great...
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D!!!
Thanks for the chuckles Lindsay!
Chris, to paraphrase Orson Welles hawking cheap wine in his dotage: "I will complete no model before its time!" Thanks for the reminder. ;) I'm finding that planning, checking, more planning and then re-checking is critical to scratchbuilding. Whew! It's not for the terminally impatient, that's for sure. :)
Regards,
Bob
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its cool man unless you are on death row theres no rush, take your time. i have several projects stalled while i rethink solutions to make them better in the long run. take care of your buisness. a break is good for inspiration as well.
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As long as I get to see updates when they're available its all good!!
Steve
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Absolutely gorgeus! The tailskid` s bands look really realistic!I`m going to build LLoyd too recently I`ve bought an almost finished SH model for 10$. I have to wash off the paint and redo the cockpit...
I`m looking forward for your next update!
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Well folks, after a long hiatus, I'm at least making some progress again. The Mother-in-Law departed two weeks ago, and the puppy returns to my daughter next week. However, work will keep me tied up through the end of this month, then it will just be early morning bicycling to compete with modeling time! Here is what I've done in the last two weeks:
The bottom wings have had PE hardware installed, along with Bare Metal Foil wing walks and a combination of Gaspatch turnbuckles and Bob's eyelets, and now these wings have been affixed to the fuselage.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6378_zps7b96d657.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6378_zps7b96d657.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6379_zpsfc4881aa.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6379_zpsfc4881aa.jpg.html)
I have made and added the serial number decals to the fuselage. The 82 Series are the WKF-built C.Vs, and I intended my model to be 82-09, but I klutzed up and got the "09" upside down and backwards (don't ask how this is possible--I have no idea), so my model is 82-60. ::) Fortunately for me, there were a total of 64 aircraft in this series! :D It's a good thing I didn't choose "08" for this model! ;)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6380_zps60df7fcc.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6380_zps60df7fcc.jpg.html)
I also crafted the radiator from Evergreen styrene bits and a piece of fine sandpaper, all painted with Mr. Metal brass. The second photo shows it sitting on the engine in it's approximate location, although it eventually will sit up above the engine on a bracket to be affixed to the cabane struts.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6382_zpsc714b533.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6382_zpsc714b533.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6383_zps888d05c0.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6383_zps888d05c0.jpg.html)
Here is the top wing with aileron test fitted in place. Horns and wires still to be added.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6384_zps4d80d22c.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6384_zps4d80d22c.jpg.html)
Preliminary effort to bungee the axle and landing struts, with final affixing to occur in the jig:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6385_zps258fd51f.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6385_zps258fd51f.jpg.html)
Finally, I have started bending the styrene rod to form the observer's cage railing, a la Willi's technique described earlier:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6387_zps25da3d06.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6387_zps25da3d06.jpg.html)
That's it for now. Small steps but moving again. Mid-July is my current target, but whenver will do just fine! ;D
Cheers,
Bob
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Wow, Bob! Truly stunning work. She's really coming together, now. Those Gaspatch turnbuckles look fantastic.
Cheers,
Bud
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She's coming together beautifully Bob, your expertise is incredible and attention to detail is superb, this is going to be a true gem when completed.
Des.
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You've gotten a lot done despite the hiatus, she's shaping up beautifully
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Very fine progress! I really admire how this wooden veneer wonder is taking shape.
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Looking great, Bob!
Keep it coming!!! ;)
Von Buckle
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Wish I could get that much done when Im too busy to model. Amazing work!!!!!
Steve
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Magnificent Bob, keep at her but easy on the gas pedal. I echo the earlier comment, looks very like WNW's best!
Cheers,
Lance
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Thanks guys! Your encouragement really helps. I hope that the top wing will go on okay, what with the odd A-H strut design of inverted V cabanes and main wing struts angled inward about 40 degrees! :o I'm counting on the jig to get me through. ;)
The water tank is fabricated and awaiting brass paint. I'm still trying to figure out precisely how I will sling it below the cabanes under the top wing center joint. Should be exciting! Still have to fabricate the exhaust pipes, the observer's cage and a few detail odds and ends, but I'm starting to run out of things to make! A good sign, I guess. Now it's time to put it all together and hope everything fits right! ;D We're getting close. 8)
Regards,
Bob
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looking great ,like what you have done so far .
Willi
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Here's a little more progress this week. I have mounted the cabane struts in preparation for mounting the top wing. However, before doing that I will need to complete the radiator piping above the engine, the mounting bracket for the radiator, and the exhaust pipes. Here are the affixed cabane struts:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6390_zps0a913dcb.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6390_zps0a913dcb.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6388_zpsb6d9d27e.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6388_zpsb6d9d27e.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6389_zps7888e708.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6389_zps7888e708.jpg.html)
Further progress will be slowed by work obligations for the next week or so. See you at the end of June!
Regards,
Bob
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Oooooooooh that looks really nice
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Lovely engineering on this - as usual!!
Steve
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You really do exceptional work Bob.
Cheers,
Chris
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Bob,
As always exceptionally beautiful works my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Okay, I've come up for air, so here's a little more progress. The exhaust pipes have been crafted from Plastruct Butyrate tubing. I chose Butyrate because it is softer than styrene and easier to bend without deforming or cracking (I also happened to have the right size in my scrap plastic box) :). I cut the tube to appropriate length and bent it over a paintbrush handle to match the drawings, then inserted a short length of brass rod of appropriate thickness in the attached end to serve as an attachment peg to the engine cylinders. Here is how they look painted and tacked in place with white glue:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6422_zpsbdc3bd5a.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6422_zpsbdc3bd5a.jpg.html)
I have seen photos of both straight and bent pipes on Series 82 aircraft, and long and short pipes. I suspect that field modification was not uncommon. I like they way these look, so I'm sticking with them.
Next up: the radiator piping. We're getting close now to the assembly jig and top wing attachment! ;D
Cheers,
Bob
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Lovely work on the pipes Bob, they certainly look the part, looking forward to seeing the top wing mounted.
Des.
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Your work it's amazing.
The Loyd it's a beauty!
Cheers.
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These scratch builds are incredible - I wouldn't know where to start..
Guy
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Thanks everyone for your kind words. They are appreciated, and the encouragement does really help with motivation. I do feel the need to provide some encouragement back to all of you out there who are so supportive, by hastening to remind you that I am just an average modeler who is taking some chances and trying new techniques and working right through my fears to try and complete my first scratch buillt WWI aircraft. Any modeler on this forum can do this, if they are willing to take the time and to persevere.
Well, the front end is beginning to look a bit busy, just as it should:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6423_zps26b5689e.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6423_zps26b5689e.jpg.html)
The radiator pipes and water tank are installed, but I just set the radiator in place for show. It will require brass wire supports emanating from the forward cabane struts, and will not be permanently affixed until the top wing is in place.
A closer view:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6429_zpsad5825c3.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6429_zpsad5825c3.jpg.html)
The radiator pipes are made from another Plastruct product, butyrate plastic tubing with wire inside, which makes it very easy to bend into nice curves. You can also trim back the plastic and leave a wire projection as a locating pin, which I did at both ends. This was a leftover product from my model railroading days. The insulation wraps are Tamiya tape slices painted weathered black, with silver-painted monofilament as the clasps. The water tank is a length of Evergreen styrene tube with the ends shaped appropriately with filler and sanded to shape. Painted tape strips (secured with CA) represent the metal straps which secured the tank. Both pipes and tank are brush painted with Mr. Metal Brass, which gives a darker used look, IMO. I may experiment to see if a darker wash would work to make them appear more weathered and tarnished.
I need to make the windscreen and install the radiator brackets, then the engine area will be complete. Since the outboard lower interplane rigging runs to the top of the cabane assembly, I may do that before I install the top wing. We'll see. I think I will add the empennage elements soon also. Then she'll really be looking like the avian beauty that was the Lloyd! ;D
Regards,
Bob
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Absolutely gorgeous work, Bob. She really is looking very nice indeed.
As a further filip to those who have never scratchbuilt anything, I just posted my 1:72 Blériot build from a year or so ago which I just realised isn't on here! It's my first, and so far only, scratchbuild. http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=2013.0
It really isn't that difficult once you set your mind to it....it's just planning ahead....GO FOR IT!
Ian
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Really nice work on the plumbing, Bob!
Cheers,
Bud
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Wow!
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Bob,
Awesome works my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Fine engineering at its best!!
Steve
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Thanks everyone! ;D I have added the radiator supports and windscreen, and completed the cabane rigging. I also dry-fitted the tail planes just to see how she would look. ;) I may go ahead and affix those soon. Here she is this evening:
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The rigging is monofilament colored with a silver Sharpie, affixed with Bob's Buckles tubes to the Gaspatch turnbuckles in the wings. I like the way Bob's tubes allow adjustment of tension in the line before gluing, and the clean connection they provide. The cabane rigging uses Bob's tubes and buckles. The windscreen may have too much rake to it, so I may make another. It is made from clear plastic bubble packaging.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6433_zpsde00c242.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6433_zpsde00c242.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6435_zps0560265f.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6435_zps0560265f.jpg.html)
Well, it seems that I am just about ready to break out the jig and place the airframe therein, preparatory to positioning and affixing the top wing. ;D At last! (Still have to make that observer's cage though. Wish me luck Willi!).
Cheers,
Bob
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Looking absolutely beautiful Bob, your workmanship is first class and attention to detail is superb, looking forward to seeing the top wing in place.
Des.
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Hello Bob:
Been awhile since I stopped by your place to see how you're doing on this magnificent build. Truly outstanding. Your care, perseverence and attention to detail, (The devil is in the details!) is producing an outstanding model. I am looking forward, as you, to seeing how this turns out.
Best
Mark
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Stunning work - and now looking like an airplane!!!!!
Steve
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Here's a teaser of this bird in the jig, with the top wing just resting in place (the tweezers are for weight:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6438_zps15734878.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6438_zps15734878.jpg.html)
There is a serious side to showing this, and I am requesting your thouhts on the best way to proceed. I have made interplane struts from bamboo skewers sanded to shape with brass pins inserted at each end, bent appropriately to establish the inboard rake of the struts. I have drilled holes in the bottom wings for the struts, but not yet in the top wing. My thought was to secure the top wing in the appropriate position in the jig relative the the rest of the aircraft, resting on the cabanes, and then insert the struts in their bottom holes and mark the drill points for the bottom of the top wing that way. I will also add the rigging points, hardware and rigging to the bottom of the top wing before installing. I've never done struts this way before, so I thought I'd solicit the wisdom of this assemblage before I foul things up completly. ;) Any suggestions or thoughts would be much appreciated. Thanks!
I've also started crafting the observer's cage, a la Willi's (Miami Angler's) method of bending plastic rod as shown in his build log at Swanny's for his beautiul 1/48 SH Lloyd. Thanks for the technique Willi! ;D
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6439_zps65b25855.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6439_zps65b25855.jpg.html)
That's all for now. Thanks for your ideas.
Regards,
Bob
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Holy cow, Bob! Just when I figure I'm starting to cope
with making models again (OOB of course ;D), I happen
across your wonderful build. I really admire your talent,
creating such a great model from nothing.
I look forward to the rest of the project. Thanks for
sharing it with us.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Thanks Ernie! This is my first WWI scratch build, and I did it because I really wanted a LLoyd in 1/32, and there was so much help and encouragement on this forum. :D I've tried new things and learned a great deal. However, it will be nice to get back to an OOB build once this one's finished, as I've been at it for about seven months now. ;) I'm at the most dicey part now, top wing attachment and struts---it's very different than a kit, where everything is pre-measured and engineered for you, and it's a little scary for me, particularly with those funky angled A-H struts!. I hope I can figure it out. :o
Regards,
Bob
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Very nice indeed Bob,
re the upper wing mountings: personally I would mark and drill the rigging and strut mounting holes prior to mounting the top wing, using the plans, then mount the wing, then tweak your strut pins to fit properly....I've tried it the other way around and although it fits nicely it may not be accurate, and drilling the wing when it's in place is not a good idea - you may not be able to get the drill in the correct place and angle, it can loosen the wing, and cause all sorts of other problems!
Ian
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Thanks Ian. I've looked things over and have decided to follow your recommended approach. I think it will work just fine. I appreciate your insight and guidance. :D
Regards,
Bob
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Nice job on the rigging Bob. She's a beauty all around.
Cheers,
Chris
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One real beauty superbly done!
So much detail, a real nice model.
Cheers
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This is just a short update before I leave on vacation for 10 days, which will stall further progress. I will be ready to mount the top wing when I return, then the landing gear, rigging and a few details and she will be done! ;D
Here is the state of the work bench this morning:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6442_zps3186cc4d.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6442_zps3186cc4d.jpg.html)
As you can see, the assembled bird is still in th jig awaiting the top wing, which now has the rigging attached to one side. I'll complete the other side upon my return. Off to the left you can see the completed and painted observer's cage, made from styrene rod. Here are some closeups of everything, with the cage resting in place in the last photo
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6440_zpseb596d79.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6440_zpseb596d79.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6441_zps0f8f1583.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6441_zps0f8f1583.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6443_zps64df517d.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6443_zps64df517d.jpg.html)
Slowly, but surely, we're getting there! See you at the end of the month. :D
Cheers,
Bob
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Magnificent work Bob. She's still looking like an almost completed injection kit; Scratch Building at it's best. Enjoy your vacation and I look forward to following the completion phase on your return.
Cheers, :)
Lance
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Amazing bird that just keeps getting better!! Enjoy the vay-k
Steve
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Hi Bob,
This is hard work. You have my respect
Cheers,
Vladimir
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Looks awesome , it`s going to be a show stopper !
Willi
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Bob,
She just keeps getting better and better my friend. I absolutely love the work you've done to date. Awesome gun ring too,must have been a real pain to get together. Keep up the awesome works my friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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I've finally had some time to spend on this project, and the top wing is now mounted and the struts all installed (always a heartpounding adventure for me, but it worked out okay this time), with most of the rigging now completed (I have to replace two lines that didn't work out). Here is where she stands:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6446_zps3216bfc3.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6446_zps3216bfc3.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6448_zpsc47030b1.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6448_zpsc47030b1.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6449_zps9b82b5d4.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6449_zps9b82b5d4.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6452_zpse4388bdc.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6452_zpse4388bdc.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6454_zps861ef2de.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6454_zps861ef2de.jpg.html)
The top wing mount was not without its share of adversity. After epoxying the center support beat to the cabane struts with the top wing supported in the assembly jig, I discovered that my bamboo struts were a mm too short! :o I made one new one, but the bamboo was still overscale and I didn't like the look, so I decided to try some 1/16 plastic rod. I cut and sanded it to the right lengths for each strut by trial and error (my usual approach to modeling, with emphasis on the error ;)), and drilled the ends and inserted brass wire locating studs. This all went surprisingly fast and the installation went well from that point. The struts are not perfect airfoil shape, but they look fine to me and do the job. They are much more scale appearance than their bamboo predecessors.
Now that the top wing is supported and rigged, I can flip her over and fix the two lnes that failed (one interstrut line had too much slack, and I pulled one Gaspatch turnbuckle out when I tried to bend it to line up with the direction of the wire).
Final major assembly step: adding the landing gear, always a hair-raising moment in my builds! ::) Hopefully she'll sit up pretty for me. ;D After that, put the radiator back in place, add a few minor etch details to the fuselage, and she will be complete at last! Hooray!!! I am skipping the observer's MG because I don't have a commercially available Loser in 1/32 and I have already spent enough blood, sweat, toil and tears on this build. ;) I declare that she is a training machine (some of the WKF Series 82 aircraft were in fact used as trainers) and thus unarmed. :D
Next report should be of final completion. ;D
Cheers,
Bob
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Very nice indeed Bob, great to see this one nearing completion. You can certainly be very proud of her!
Ian
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Amazing work. She looks very sleek and beautiful!!
Steve
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Bob,
Awesome update my old friend. She's looking every bit of a Masterpiece!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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A true masterpiece in the making Bob. What a beautiful job you're doing here.
Cheers,
Chris
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This really is ... "Very Very Good".
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Thanks for your kind words everyone. :D Drum roll please . . . she's finally finished! I got the rigging fixed, and then the undercarriage installed without trauma. Undercarriage rigged, radiator added, a few details and: voila!:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6463_zps372b246e.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6463_zps372b246e.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6462_zpseaea2add.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6462_zpseaea2add.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6461_zpsb6d3dbcd.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6461_zpsb6d3dbcd.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6460_zps01eebfbd.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6460_zps01eebfbd.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6459_zps4de022e8.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6459_zps4de022e8.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6457_zpsf58e4ed3.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6457_zpsf58e4ed3.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6456_zps173b16eb.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6456_zps173b16eb.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6455_zpsd009759d.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6455_zpsd009759d.jpg.html)
Sorry for so many haphazrd and poorly lighted shots. I was excited! ;D I still need to do a little weathering, and I just ordered decals for the Jaray prop logo (Can you believe someone makes A-H prop logo decals in 1/32?!), a very cool spread eagle. Other than that, she's done!
Thanks to all of you who followed this build for a long 8 months--I couldn't have finished this without your support and encouragement. :D I will take some better photos and post them over in Completed Models next week or so.
Signing off on this one. On to the Nieuport 27 "Old Doc Yak," U.S. Air Service, Quentin Roosevelt.
Regards,
Bob
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Wow Awesome , It looks fantastic , Hats off to a great looking model ,
Willi
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A great looking bird!!! Well done.
Steve
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Bob,
A perfect example of your highest levels of modeling skill and craftsmanship. Congratulations and Well Done my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
PS: Dying to know where you found your prop logos.
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Thanks Willi, Steve and Gregory!
Gregory, I found the logo decals through a recent posting by Ian over in the "What's New" section. He provided a link to LF Models, which is in the Czech Republic, I believe, and I ordered the 1/32 sheet of A-H prop logos. Ordering was easy. Check them out on Ian's thread through the link. I think they offer them in 1/72 and 1/48 also. We are truly in the Golden Age of WWI aircraft modeling! ;D
Regards,
Bob
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Absolutely stunning work Bob, I'm looking forward to seeing that prop with the Jaray logo on it!
Gregory - check out the LF Models website (I posted a link to the 1:32 prop logos as Bob mentioned) they do indeed do 4 sheets of German and one of A-H prop logos in all 3 major scales!
Ian
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Man, that's gotta feel gooooood. Congratulations!
LT
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Truely deserving of a drum roll, a spectacular built from start to finish with the end result equal to or even better than any WnW kit, well done Bob and congratulations.
Des.
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I thought to just give this one a peek, and have just read the entire thread. So very cool to see such work, but I'm starting to think I need to go back to planes from a different era. Very nice finish, and certainly not a mainstream kit!
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Superb Bob, simply superb. You should be darned proud of this beauty!
Cheers,
Chris
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I'm at a loss for words, Bob. What a project you undertook and just
look at the results! Absolutely amazing work. Congratulations on
a model to be proud of. Looking forward to more of your builds.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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What a lovely bird! It's amazing what you did there, something to be very proud imo.
Congrats. You deserve the all orchestra, not just the drums!
Cheers
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Nice to see another beautifully made model from the Great War.
What are you planning to do in the next.
Adam.
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All this thread suggests the splendid model. And the final products surely is so. But, please, do it a justice and take new better-lit shots. This lovely scratch-built Lloyd definitely deserves a better presentation!
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Thanks everyone! Przemo, I agree entirely. As soon as I get the prop logo decals in place, I plan to take much better photos for posting over in "Completed Models," probably in a week or two.
I hope that I have demostrated with this build that anyone can scratch build a nice model, with patience and persistence. I believe my modeling skills are average. What this project required was a leap of faith that I could do it, suspending the fear of failure, the willingness to try new techniques and practice them a bit, and a good deal of thinking, planning and patience. The rest was just everyday modeling. Thanks to all of you here who contributed ideas, answered questions and provided encouragement. It meant a great deal to me.
Regards,
Bob
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simply excellent, i have followed this one from the beginning and it has been inspirational. i have started on my first scratch as a result of what you,galloway and of course what des has been doing. hopefully i get it done eventually. halberstadt d.ii btw....scott
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Thanks much Scott. I am sure you will do a fine job with the Halberstadt. I applaud your choice--I've always liked the lines of the D.ii. Maybe your efforts will spur on WNW in that direction. ;D Best of luck wth it!
Regards,
Bob
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Bob,
I missed the completion of this project due to a total loss of my computer setup; solution is fortunately not too distant. I have to say, there's a lot of incredible talent displayed on this Forum, and this Build certainly sits close to the top of that category. You've done a magnificent job here, and should be very proud of a truly unique and beautiful Model, Well Done!!
Cheers
Lance
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Wow! You beat me to it! I am planning one of my own, and yours is exquisite. I am sure to refer to your build often.
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OMG! Unbelievable !! I'm really impressed with this outstanding work ! Congratulations on this unique model ! Reading the subject gives many ideas and I thank you so much for sharing! ;D
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What a great job you've done with this Bob,
I'm always in awe of you scratch builders - I wouldn't know where to start ???
Guy
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Thank you for your kind words gentlemen. I hope the build log was helpful in passing along some ideas.
I must say, I am very impressed with the beautiful model aircraft both of you have shared here. ;D Arnaud, as you can see, I also am intrigued by the unique A-H designs, and your scratch built Lloyd scouts are marvelous! Guy, your HB W-12 is the best transparent CDL rendering I have ever seen. {The dark wood fuselage looks pretty awesome too!). Great work gentlemen. ;D
Regards,
Bob
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Can't add Much except AWESOME and BEAUTIFUL!
RAGIII
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She's a true gem.
Congrats !
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Vac forming is the one thing I have never tried but when I see workmanship of this standard I always want to have a go myself.
Stunning work all round, love the wing shape
Roy
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Hello gentlemen,
I just read all this build log....ouch..I can't breath anymore.... What a job !!!! Congratulations, a masterpiece !
Best regards.
Alain.
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Ditto to all the above !!!!
Ed
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That is so cool. A unique model flawlesly executed.
James