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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: Jorgo on October 07, 2019, 01:22:22 AM

Title: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Jorgo on October 07, 2019, 01:22:22 AM: Hi friends,
I started Nieuport 17 in italien markings from CSM. The "Fulco Ruffo di Calabria" decals were designed by Meliusmanu and printed by Cartograf, so excellent quality for sure (as always with CSM goodies!)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000744tcjer.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000744tcjer.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000745b7ktv.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000745b7ktv.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000751yoj1z.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000751yoj1z.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000752a6kj1.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000752a6kj1.jpg)

As usual, the CSM kit parts have excellent details:
(https://abload.de/img/p1000755pmkmy.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000755pmkmy.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p10007565fjm4.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p10007565fjm4.jpg)

Cockpit parts ready to paint:
(https://abload.de/img/p100075707jn3.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p100075707jn3.jpg)
and painted...
(https://abload.de/img/p100078759jrw.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p100078759jrw.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p100077643jag.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p100077643jag.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000782tekn1.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000782tekn1.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000772ylj6j.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000772ylj6j.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000774rskvi.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000774rskvi.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p10007851dkp7.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p10007851dkp7.jpg)
(ejector pins are not sanded because you don´t see them when all is assembled)

(https://abload.de/img/p100080461kqm.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p100080461kqm.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000805fzjxm.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000805fzjxm.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000770e1jim.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000770e1jim.jpg)

the Le Rhone 9J was easy to assemble and has pretty details
(https://abload.de/img/p1000800y6jac.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000800y6jac.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000802btk61.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000802btk61.jpg)

Cheers
Jörg
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Juan on October 07, 2019, 01:50:51 AM: Fantastic start Jörg, looks great.
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Gene K on October 07, 2019, 02:02:39 AM: Excellent photos of your excellent progress.

Gene K
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: calumet on October 07, 2019, 02:52:42 AM: Superb start, wonderful wood & metal finish.
Spot on weathering on the blue parts, btw which blue did you use it looks excellent.

Cheers
Hans
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Robin on October 07, 2019, 03:25:19 AM: All really beautiful. I love the "moody" engine. :)

Robin
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Jorgo on October 07, 2019, 03:34:53 AM: Thank you for your kind comments! Hans, I used Tamiya XF 18 as base color. XF 18 is a little too dark, so highlights were drybrushed by oil color - in this case royal blue deep (Schmincke Mussini, these oil colors have very fine pigments).

Cheers
Jörg
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: RAGIII on October 07, 2019, 04:47:26 AM: Simply stunning interior work and painting. Looking beautiful to date!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Alexis on October 07, 2019, 06:16:08 AM: Looking forward on seeing how this turns out , looking excellent so far :)

Terri
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: lone modeller on October 07, 2019, 08:21:34 AM: I thought that you had made those wooden boxes from real wood! Stunning painting - so realistic. I am also struck by the detail in the kit - just amazing what manufactrers are turning out these days.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: uncarina on October 07, 2019, 12:11:46 PM: Beautiful work so far, and you are inspiring me to get this kit! By the way, is your build a Nieuport 17 or 27?

Cheers, Tom
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: coyotemagic on October 07, 2019, 01:27:15 PM: Spectacular start to what is certain to be a stunning model!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Manni on October 07, 2019, 03:20:53 PM: Great work on this , Jörg.
Very nice to see you are making this building thread. There is always lot to learn from your. I think I will see this live in Lingen.
Bye,
Manni
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: gbrivio on October 07, 2019, 04:43:52 PM: Excellent start on this, very nice interior painting.
Ciao
Giuseppe
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: calumet on October 07, 2019, 08:57:20 PM: Thanks for the quick answer Jörg, agree concerning Mussini they are excellent!
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Bughunter on October 08, 2019, 03:27:46 AM: What a start on a great kit, if I see your parts here!
I like the seat, it is a real one of a museum? Damn cool 8)

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Jorgo on October 08, 2019, 04:12:37 AM: Lady and Gentlemen, many many thanks for your kind comments, much appreciated!

Cheers,
Jörg
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Borsos on October 09, 2019, 05:56:32 AM: Fantastic build Jörg, it is going to be a stunner!
Andreas
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: AndRoby67 on October 11, 2019, 11:54:26 PM: Hi Jorgo!
As italian, I'm so happy to see someone modelling subjects of my country.
Fantastic starting, your painting job is high level.
I saw the instructions of the kit, there are some mistakes. First of all, NO ONE of our airplanes had central section of underwings painted white, this is a myth hard to die.
This was a Nieuport 17 sent to us from France, our colors were added over the original french ones, so no serial on the green and red section under the wings. Of course, they were covered by the green and red. The french roundel was not "still visible" under the aluminium cover over the wing, another myth hard to die. There are many photos of this Ni.17 in the web, why they say that? This Nieuport, again, arrived in Italy with Vickers mounted. There are photos of this one with all three configurations: with the Vickers, with Vickers and Lewis toghether and with Lewis alone. You may choose as you like.
Hope useful!
Roberto
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Jorgo on October 12, 2019, 05:43:26 AM: Hi Friends, many thanks for your comments!

Quote from: AndRoby67 on October 11, 2019, 11:54:26 PM
Hi Jorgo!
As italian, I'm so happy to see someone modelling subjects of my country.
Fantastic starting, your painting job is high level.
I saw the instructions of the kit, there are some mistakes. First of all, NO ONE of our airplanes had central section of underwings painted white, this is a myth hard to die.
This was a Nieuport 17 sent to us from France, our colors were added over the original french ones, so no serial on the green and red section under the wings. Of course, they were covered by the green and red. The french roundel was not "still visible" under the aluminium cover over the wing, another myth hard to die. There are many photos of this Ni.17 in the web, why they say that? This Nieuport, again, arrived in Italy with Vickers mounted. There are photos of this one with all three configurations: with the Vickers, with Vickers and Lewis toghether and with Lewis alone. You may choose as you like.
Hope useful!
Roberto

Roberto, thank you for your information, indeed very useful! That had been exactly my question: were central sections of the undersides of the wings painted white or Aluminium?

In the meantime only little progress,
openings in the cowl drilled to scale thickness
(https://abload.de/img/p1000810-kopiesljlj.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000810-kopiesljlj.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/p1000814gykit.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000814gykit.jpg)

testfit of cowl and engine
(https://abload.de/img/p1000824kxjz3.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000824kxjz3.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000825lcjmq.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000825lcjmq.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p10008267fj3q.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p10008267fj3q.jpg)

here streched clear sprue for the petrol contro
l(https://abload.de/img/p1000829uikpm.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000829uikpm.jpg)

Gaspatch turnbuckles 1:48 scale, otherwise you don´t need any aftermarket things on this outstanding kit
(https://abload.de/img/p1000831m2js0.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000831m2js0.jpg)

rear wall
(https://abload.de/img/p1000832d8kxh.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000832d8kxh.jpg)

Cheers,
Jörg
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Jorgo on October 12, 2019, 05:49:37 AM: (https://abload.de/img/p10008316mkfv.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p10008316mkfv.jpg)

Looks better... ;)
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Robin on October 12, 2019, 06:28:37 AM: Nice! a joy to follow this. :)

Robin
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Alexis on October 12, 2019, 08:04:24 AM: :) :) :)

Terri
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: rhwinter on October 12, 2019, 04:53:35 PM: Great! Love the shading on all painted parts!
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Edgar on October 12, 2019, 07:28:42 PM: Greetings guys,
Great subject and a great modelling for sure)
just to answer some questions
1. We all remember that first Nieuport 17 Italy got from France with french painted roundels, I do not know about you, but I can see it there, so I would not claim that it is 100% myth, sure for someone it may be faded more, or less, but you can see it, right?
(https://abload.de/img/2019-10-12_11-14-08o7jwo.png)

2. As for the white central section
Comando Supremo Ufficio Servizi Aeronautici on 28 june 1915 issued a new regulation regarding National insignia.
This regulation abolishes the identification markings for aeroplanes and seaplanes at war, consisting of a stripe and circle painted in black on the wing undersurfaces
2. Recognition of national aeroplanes and seaplanes will be instead achieved by:
a. painting in green the wing undersurface to the right of the pilot.
b. painting in red the wing undersurface to the left of the pilot.
c. painting in white the central part of the aircraft
d. reproduction of the national flag on the aircraft`s vertical tail

that is hard to see, but on this earlier Italian Nieuport you can see how bright the central section is, so why there is absolutely no chances that this area was painted white? I may agree that silver would also look bright like white and maybe it was also done that way
(https://abload.de/img/world-war-one-aircraf6ck8l.jpg)
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Edgar on October 12, 2019, 07:32:42 PM: Hi Jorg
please do check this line, it should not visible
it is marks left from the slider in the mould
(https://abload.de/img/2019-10-12_12-29-068hk3v.png)
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Jorgo on October 12, 2019, 09:15:05 PM: Hi Edgar, thank you for your advice and support!
The mark on the cowl will be soon filled and sanded ( thought that was part of the real thing). And I agree with you, the french roundel on the upper wing is „still visible“. IMHO on a model it looks even better when you try to represent an overpainted or oversprayed roundel.

Thank you once again for your help, Edgar!

Cheers,
Jörg
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Gene K on October 12, 2019, 11:30:48 PM: Yet another great build and thread on this forum!!!

"Good stuff", Edgar.

Gene K
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: RAGIII on October 12, 2019, 11:49:18 PM: Your painting and details are Fabulous! Really looking great!!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: AndRoby67 on October 13, 2019, 05:08:59 AM: Hi!
This reply is for Edgar, I think the owner of Copper State Models.
The photo that you posted of Baracca's mount have a "line" that divided the portion of the main wing repainted to the original one. The same "line" you may see in the photo of Ruffo's mount posted by myself. Hope you may see. Under the new aluminium dope the "shadow" of the roundel is still visible, but no traces of the colors. I attach here a better photo to show it. The question is: if I want to cancel french roundel why I left it visible again? When we received Ni.24 and 27 from France simply we repainted blue centers with green, why they don't choose same way?
About white central section: in the latest years some good books about our Aces and Aviation came out, written by italian historians more famous and documented as myself. No mention and no traces of the white central section in NONE of these books. No traces also on every relics arrived safe to our days, as the two Ansaldo A.1s held in Trento and Bergamo of Palli and Locatelli. You are right about "Comando Supremo Ufficio Servizi Aeronautici on 28 june 1915 issued a new regulation regarding National insignia" etc. (I have a copy of it) but no one followed this orders about white. Again, color drawings edited by Comando Supremo Ufficio Servizi Aeronautici shows green and red sections more wider than in reality. My thinking is that every weight added with overpainting in those early days were dangerous for the life of pilots, so no white section were added. The photo that you posted shows a Ni.11 of Macchi production. In that production, serials in the "1000" range were painted in a real "white" Clear Doped Linen, they changed only for the uppersurfaces in the 2000/3000 serials with a "light khaki" Clear Doped Linen, keeping the undersurfaces with the "white version", as the one in your photo.
I reviewed your sets of decals about our Ni.17 in an italian modelling Forum where I am the Coordinator of the WWI SIG, I wrote that finally we have a complete and decent sets of decals for our planes, because this is the truth. Unlucky, it's first time that I see instruction. On the other side, in Italy we have many historians that can help every producer of our subject (we are happy to do this and for free!) because our aviation in WWI is considered as "second line" also by italian kit makers.
I see now: set 32-007, the ace is Giovanni SAbelli; set 32-006, the pilot is Elia Liut.
Finally, I really recommended the sets of decals made by CSM about our Ni.17.

Back to the WIP, Jorgo you are making a little gem.
Greetings,
Roberto
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Edgar on October 13, 2019, 06:07:46 PM: Greetings Roberto
That is a great photo you have published, thank you
As for historians, I wish we were in contact with you, you pointed a rather important thing with the white colour, and it may be that you are very correct in your thoughts.
I worked with Luigino regarding most of the photos for top known aces that we picked, but we never spoked about white colour
what was your website address with Italian topics?
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: AndRoby67 on October 15, 2019, 09:05:26 PM: Hi Edgar!
If you worked with Luigino Caliaro he is one of our best historian in WWI field, really better than me, he have a collection of photos second to none about our aviation in WWI.
Really unlucky that you don't share impressions about white central sections. If you write an email to [email protected] I may answer on everything you need.
Now we must to set free Jorgo wip! ;D ;D ;D
Cheers,
Roberto
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Jorgo on October 21, 2019, 04:29:24 AM: Hi, friends

preparing the wings with preshading, dark aluminium applied with a spatter cap on my airbrush. I am curious how it will look in the end
(https://abload.de/img/p100083559k1b.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p100083559k1b.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000837eejj8.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000837eejj8.jpg)

oversprayed with aluminium/white 2:1, I think it would be better using a mixture 1:1
(https://abload.de/img/p100084352jyg.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p100084352jyg.jpg)

the PE seatbelts are easy to handle and full of details
(https://abload.de/img/p1000839c6kgs.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000839c6kgs.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000841zyjep.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000841zyjep.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000840nzjbf.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000840nzjbf.jpg)

control cables added
(https://abload.de/img/p1000842q9j8t.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000842q9j8t.jpg)

frame, seat and rear wall ready for assembling
(https://abload.de/img/p1000838kxjfo.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000838kxjfo.jpg)

Cheers,
Jörg
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Oleg on October 21, 2019, 04:35:06 AM: Looks really good, I liked that you did the seat belts correctly, hanging on the sides of the chair, as it was a rather thick leather it was stiffer and not a fabric just lying on the chair (like RFC harness)
Oleg
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Jorgo on October 21, 2019, 08:48:47 PM: Thank you, Oleg! I have seen your superb Nieuport, she is an excellent guide for me.

Some instruments and the headrest are still missing. (Edgar, the seem in the hub is filled now ;))
(https://abload.de/img/p100085049kz7.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p100085049kz7.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p10008483oktm.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p10008483oktm.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000849mzjmn.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000849mzjmn.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p10008468ejff.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p10008468ejff.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000844m4j7w.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000844m4j7w.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p10008475ejxj.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p10008475ejxj.jpg)

Cheers,
Jörg
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: gbrivio on October 21, 2019, 10:27:30 PM: Nice updates, I'm longing for next details of your build.
Ciao
Giuseppe
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: pepperman42 on October 22, 2019, 01:08:00 AM: Just caught up. Great work!!

Steve
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: lone modeller on October 22, 2019, 02:39:23 AM: Terrific in every way. The differences in colours between the different materials, wood, metal, fabric, leather is just awesome.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Oleg on October 22, 2019, 05:06:07 AM: I guess it is rather too late but you need to check this joint line
should not be there as well)
(https://i.ibb.co/ZS9qC92/2019-10-21-22-03-00.png)
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Jorgo on October 22, 2019, 05:13:04 AM: Thank you, Oleg. The small gap will be filled asap (sometimes I am too lazy in modelling ;))
Cheers,
Jörg
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Oleg on October 22, 2019, 05:15:39 AM: Your models turning to be a gem so no excuse to be lazy))be a man and fill that gap))
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Juan on October 22, 2019, 05:28:38 AM: Looks great Jörg, question, will the line/gap be visible once built (I am lazy).
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Jorgo on October 22, 2019, 05:52:15 AM: That gap would be visible, Juan. So let‘s be busy!

Jörg
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Oleg on October 22, 2019, 06:34:46 AM: And please remember that engine cowling should be shiny aluminium with a shiny steel strap on the base of it to secure it on the firewall
so there should be some difference between the cowling and the fuselage.
Also just saying the chins (side panels for the fuselage) should differ in colour as well to be a bit shinier than the rest of the fabric as this chins we made from plywood stripes and on top of it a layer of fabric, that is why you have another surface quality there)
for sure model would look much better in this case)
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Alexis on October 22, 2019, 10:50:23 AM: Nice job on the pit ...I think we all get lazy from time to time :-X

Terri
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: FAf on October 22, 2019, 09:07:36 PM: Quote from: lone modeller on October 22, 2019, 02:39:23 AM
Terrific in every way. The differences in colours between the different materials, wood, metal, fabric, leather is just awesome.

Stephen.

I too like the contrasts created by the different elements! /Fredrik
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: kensar on October 22, 2019, 09:52:06 PM: Nice work Jorg.
Oleg - If the fuse side panels are covered with fabric and doped, why would the surface be different from the doped fabric on the fuselage? Is this what you are saying?
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: RAGIII on October 23, 2019, 10:55:34 PM: Really looking great so far! I am looking forward to your progress.
RAGIII
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Jorgo on December 28, 2019, 03:22:13 AM: Hi Friends,
after a long time (wasn´t lazy in modeling but had a lot of work in real life…) a small update.
The excellent decals were put on the wings and masked for an aluminium cote.

(https://abload.de/img/p1000854zzkb2.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000854zzkb2.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/o_1do66d0mp1ppgdm7sgpqokpg.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=o_1do66d0mp1ppgdm7sgpqokpg.jpg)
the decals have cutouts that exactly match the structures on the model

(https://abload.de/img/p1000858w1kop.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000858w1kop.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p10008796gj8b.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p10008796gj8b.jpg)
the roundels are sprayed over now and more splashes on the wings

(https://abload.de/img/p1000880tnk9q.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000880tnk9q.jpg)
all fogged with a mixture of white and aluminium color, ribtapes masked

(https://abload.de/img/p100088285kcg.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p100088285kcg.jpg)
strips removed

(https://abload.de/img/p1000883sbj99.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000883sbj99.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000888u5k3w.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000888u5k3w.jpg)
another filter: a mix from dull aluminium and clearcote

cheers,
Jörg
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Doug Mace on December 28, 2019, 03:59:41 AM: Beautiful, Jorg...really quite lovely.
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Alexis on December 28, 2019, 11:08:45 AM: Nice effect , I like it :)

Terri
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: RAGIII on December 28, 2019, 11:30:53 PM: Really looks excellent! Beautiful painting.
RAGIII
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: AndRoby67 on January 02, 2020, 01:53:32 AM: Hi Jorgo!
Excellent work on wings, really impressive.
Maybe my eyes betrayed me, but I think to see white in underwings central section. As I stated before, and Mr. Copper State finally agreed,
central sections of our planes remains in the original colors, i.e. aluminium or CDL.
Our national green was a little bit more dark than yours, in the range of FS. 24108.
Many congrats for the rest!
Roberto
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Jorgo on January 02, 2020, 04:01:38 AM: Happy New Year and thank you for your kind words!

Roberto, the color of the center sections of the wings is aluminium - maybe the foto is too bright

Best regards
Jörg
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: pepperman42 on January 05, 2020, 02:19:33 PM: Great looking work!!

Steve
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Jorgo on January 06, 2020, 03:47:55 AM: Thank you, Steve!

Decals now fixed and a little shading on the fin and fuselage

(https://abload.de/img/p10008909njt7.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p10008909njt7.jpg)

dry fitting of cockpit and fuselage - no problems

(https://abload.de/img/p100089233k2i.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p100089233k2i.jpg)

cheers,
Jörg
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Edo on January 06, 2020, 05:57:40 PM: spectacular!
ciao
edo
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Borsos on January 06, 2020, 07:58:48 PM: That looks really cool, Jörg. I like the markings and the shading on the flying surfaces.
Andreas
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: gedmundson on January 08, 2020, 03:05:38 AM: Great effects with the painting and masking! A lot of work - but the results are rewarding.
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Jorgo on January 08, 2020, 03:38:17 PM: Thank you for your kind words, Edo,Andreas and Gary!

Cheers,
Jörg
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: PrzemoL on January 08, 2020, 04:42:49 PM: Very fine work, Jorgo.
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: RAGIII on January 09, 2020, 01:35:58 AM: Painting, shading and decals look awesome!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: AndRoby67 on January 09, 2020, 04:23:53 AM: Hi Jorgo,
I didn't saw right side of your rudder, I want only to add that only 3139 was written on that side, same position of the left.
Hope useful,
Roberto
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Jorgo on January 13, 2020, 01:34:55 AM: Hi Friends, thank you for your kind comments !

Roberto, until now I didn´t put decals on the right side of the rudder. Following your advice, I´ll make it this way - ok?

(https://abload.de/img/p10009006ljtp.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p10009006ljtp.jpg)

left side
(https://abload.de/img/p1000901hnjnu.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000901hnjnu.jpg)

I tried to simulate the different shades of brightness on the hub

(https://abload.de/img/screenshot53kdy.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=screenshot53kdy.png)
(https://abload.de/img/p1000894gfj4a.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000894gfj4a.jpg)

cut off the leather stitching from the "cheeks" and glued to top cowl, because I want to sow the model without side plywood panels

(https://abload.de/img/p1000893t1jge.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000893t1jge.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000895bnkm4.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000895bnkm4.jpg)
dry fitting
(https://abload.de/img/p1000896dujg9.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000896dujg9.jpg)

V-struts painted
(https://abload.de/img/p1000897yvju8.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000897yvju8.jpg)

Cheers,
Jörg
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: WD on January 13, 2020, 02:31:18 AM: Very, very nice sir!

WD
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Juan on January 13, 2020, 02:33:47 AM: Fantastic progress on this beauty Jörg.
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: RAGIII on January 13, 2020, 02:58:24 AM: Superb work on the cowl and side panel alteration. Looks spectacular!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Alexis on January 13, 2020, 04:24:25 AM: Quote from: RAGIII on January 13, 2020, 02:58:24 AM
Superb work on the cowl and side panel alteration. Looks spectacular!
RAGIII

Second this !

Terri
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: pepperman42 on January 13, 2020, 11:16:33 AM: Nice update and work!!

Steve
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: AndRoby67 on January 15, 2020, 12:03:05 AM: Hi Jorgo!
Yes! The right side of THAT rudder had those markings stencilled on white central section.
Perfect!
And many congrats for the rest!
Did you see this?
http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Miller/render/Nieuport/index.html
Mark Miller did a great job!
Cheers,
Roberto
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: malaula on January 15, 2020, 01:00:35 AM: I'm really lookin' forward to see this masterpiece in the flesh... are you gonna bring her to EME ?
Hau rein !
Matz
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: UFAG on January 15, 2020, 04:43:10 AM: Quote from: RAGIII on January 13, 2020, 02:58:24 AM
Superb work on the cowl and side panel alteration. Looks spectacular!
RAGIII

Idem...!!
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: lcarroll on January 15, 2020, 05:10:18 AM: Lovely work to this point Jorg, your detail is nothing short of spectacular ............ keep it coming along!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Jorgo on January 15, 2020, 06:29:53 AM: Lady and Gentlemen, thank you so much for your kind comments, much appreciated,

Jörg
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: jeroen_R90S on January 15, 2020, 07:47:38 PM: Shaping up very nicely!
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Jorgo on January 25, 2020, 06:18:19 AM: Hi friends,

the Vickers serves as a guide by installing the ammo bell chute in the right position

(https://abload.de/img/p1000902ebkmy.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000902ebkmy.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000903pnkzv.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000903pnkzv.jpg)

Installing the upper wing was an easy game, it just took 10 minutes without further help from instruments - thanks to CSM model craftmanship! And as you can see the stress test was passed:

(https://abload.de/img/p1000907lzj4w.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000907lzj4w.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000908cjjif.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000908cjjif.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000909agkpx.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000909agkpx.jpg)

Right side of the rudder with decals fixed
(https://abload.de/img/p1000911rajfm.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000911rajfm.jpg)

Fulco is watching with interest and waiting for the undercarriage

(https://abload.de/img/p1000912h5jru.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000912h5jru.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p10009135ck87.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p10009135ck87.jpg)

Cheers,
Jörg
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: RAGIII on January 25, 2020, 07:03:11 AM: Really Lovely work! I am looking forward to seeing it on it's gear and rigged!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Alexis on January 25, 2020, 11:25:22 AM: What Rick said :)

Terri
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: AndRoby67 on January 28, 2020, 03:32:17 AM: So you choose single Lewis overwing configuration?
Well done until now!
Roberto
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: WD on January 29, 2020, 09:48:00 AM: Very nice work. Noops are one of my favorites.

WD
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Jorgo on February 03, 2020, 05:16:26 AM: Thank you for your nice comments!

Rigging was done with Infini Black rigging, painted with Vallejo steel and Gaspatch resin turnbuckles (1:48 on the rudder and 1:32 for the wings)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000921v3k8p.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000921v3k8p.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000918zekcy.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000918zekcy.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p10009195xj12.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p10009195xj12.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p10009231zkdn.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p10009231zkdn.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000920wgjix.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000920wgjix.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p100092250kh2.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p100092250kh2.jpg)

Prop painted with acrylics and washed with Vallejo woodgrain transp.. By the way: were french props painted with brown color?

(https://abload.de/img/p1000929i6k14.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000929i6k14.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000916s9kb2.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000916s9kb2.jpg)

Now it´s time to install the Lewis and then a little weathering

Cheers,

Jörg
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: lcarroll on February 03, 2020, 07:30:19 AM: Great finish work and the monochrome prop finish is really well done. There's a great deal to like here!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Manni on February 03, 2020, 05:36:00 PM: Wonderful work, Jörg! I am looking forward to see this bird life in Lingen.
Bye,
Manni
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: FAf on February 03, 2020, 07:14:22 PM: What a beautiful build and great detail work! How did you attach the turnbuckles to the control horns?
/Fredrik
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: RAGIII on February 04, 2020, 02:54:11 AM: Tight rigging, straight turnbuckles, and beautiful finish. Fantastic results!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Alexis on February 04, 2020, 11:20:57 AM: AWESOME ! :) ;D 8)

Terri
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Borsos on February 04, 2020, 07:55:37 PM: That’s a really cool Nieuport. Well done!
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: kensar on February 04, 2020, 10:37:18 PM: Nice detail work and weathering.
How did you attach the rigging lines to the turnbuckle loops? CA glued the lines to themselves?
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Jorgo on February 06, 2020, 05:50:09 AM: Thanks a lot Lady and Gentllemen! Ken you‘re right , CA glued the lines to themselves.

Jörg
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Jorgo on February 10, 2020, 02:43:32 AM: Hi, friends,
now the Lewis is fixed, also the windsreen

(https://abload.de/img/p1000937ctkg1.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000937ctkg1.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000932imjx1.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000932imjx1.jpg)

the loop on the magazine was made from leadfoil
(https://abload.de/img/p1000939plk03.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000939plk03.jpg)

some oilstreaks added
(https://abload.de/img/p1000933tmkrx.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000933tmkrx.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000936tkksa.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000936tkksa.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000938lzjrm.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000938lzjrm.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000934wakfs.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000934wakfs.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000935qck94.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000935qck94.jpg)

Cheers,

Jörg
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: xan on February 10, 2020, 06:17:16 AM: Congratulation for the model Jorgo!
Quote from: Jorgo on February 03, 2020, 05:16:26 AM
were french props painted with brown color?
No it was dope called "Tonkylaque" but this dope was not transparent, it was red browm so wood effect are not welcome in french propelers. Yours is OK!

(https://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2016/01/11//16011106193218634313887634.jpg)

Xan
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Jorgo on February 10, 2020, 07:08:03 AM: Merci beaucoup, Xan! Very helpful information!

Jörg
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Alexis on February 10, 2020, 08:45:28 AM: Excellent results on the oil streaking :)

Terri
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: RAGIII on February 11, 2020, 12:22:10 AM: Suitably oily! Looks fantastic!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: AndRoby67 on February 11, 2020, 12:31:19 AM: Hi Jorgo!
Beautiful work!
This is the real one:
(https://www.modellismopiu.net/m+gallerie/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1362139)
You can compare!
Maybe the rubber of the wheels are too on the grey side (grey rubber appear in german a/c near the end of the war).
Compliments at full throttle!
Roberto
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Jorgo on March 08, 2020, 05:07:09 AM: Hi friends,
finally I started painting on the excellent CSM Italien ace figure. Originally it was said to be Baracca, that´s why I scribed the face a little slimmer (Ruffo di Calabria appears to have a narrower face)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000940eik6x.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000940eik6x.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p100094471k1g.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p100094471k1g.jpg)
(I am still practicing, sorry)

Cheers,
Jörg
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: RAGIII on March 08, 2020, 05:29:26 AM: The Figure is Looking great!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: malaula on March 08, 2020, 10:41:31 PM: Very nice Jorgo !
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Jorgo on March 09, 2020, 05:00:19 AM: Thank you friends

Some colordetails added

(https://abload.de/img/p100096556jtx.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p100096556jtx.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/p1000967g9jun.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1000967g9jun.jpg)

Cheers
Jörg
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: RAGIII on March 09, 2020, 11:02:37 AM: Continuing to look great. Your work on the Ribbons is incredible, IMHO!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: AndRoby67 on March 09, 2020, 08:01:52 PM: Hi Jorgo!
Fantastic idea to add Fulco Ruffo di Calabria near the Nieuport!
The only thing that you have to know is that during WWI our pilots/personnel kept the uniforms of the Regiments they came from when they entered in the Aviation of the Royal Army. I think you follow the instruction of the figure, the red collar was right for Francesco Baracca because he came from "Piemonte Cavalleria" that had this color as a Regiment one. Fulco Ruffo di Calabria came from "11° Cavalleggeri di Foggia" that had black/red collar as colors. You may find here if you scroll down the page: http://www.uniformology.com/RUHL-20.html
Another think is that about ribbons. Here https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulco_Ruffo_di_Calabria there is a photo of Ruffo with his collection of ribbons, the three stars on the right arms indicated that is a late war photo, as Captain. When he used the Ni.17 he was Lieutnant (Tenente) as the photo in the low part of the Wikipedia page, but he sports only two lines of ribbons.
Last thing is about color of the uniform. It was in italian word "grigioverde" literally translated as "greygreen". There is no a "perfect" reference for this color, but it was more on the green side than the one I see from my computer that you choose. http://www.esercito.difesa.it/storia/pagine/uniformi-della-prima-guerra-mondiale.aspx (the one on the left is a pilot)
Hope useful!
Roberto
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: Jorgo on March 10, 2020, 05:01:08 AM: Thank you for your kind comments!

Roberto, your notes are very useful. I am a greenhorn belonging to italien uniforms, so I was only guided by photos from the web. I will geht a new figure and paint it correctly (as Ruffo di Calabria). So a „Barraca“ is first placed next to the Nieuport 😉

Cheers
Jörg
Title: Re: Italien Nie. 17 CSM 1:32
Post by: RichieW on March 10, 2020, 08:03:06 AM: Lovely, inspiring build and a beautifully painted figure. I have one of these in the stash, nice to see what an elegant model can be made from the kit.