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Title: Telford 2015
Post by: Nigel Jackson on October 27, 2015, 09:58:42 PM
Hello All

Well, the annual IPMS Scale ModelWorld will soon be on us (7 and 8 November) and who knows what goodies we'll see. I'm planning to be there most of Saturday and for the first hour on Sunday.

Is anyone else planning to go there? It would be great if there was a chance to say hello.

Best wishes
Nigel
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: uncletony on October 28, 2015, 03:48:18 AM
I think I need to start saving up for a plane ticket for next year...
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: lcarroll on October 28, 2015, 03:52:06 AM
I think I need to start saving up for a plane ticket for next year...

     My mind often drifts into the same "zone", Bo! ::) :) ;)
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Nigel Jackson on October 28, 2015, 04:15:20 AM
Hi Nigel - Aviattic and Pheon will be in Hall 1 - see you (and the good Lady Jackson?) there!

Regards, Richard

Hi Richard,

I look forward to seeing you all - and doing some spending. Yes, Ena will be at Telford with me.

Best wishes
Nigel
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: NickT on October 28, 2015, 06:26:22 AM
I'll be there all weekend, starting with set up on the Friday.

Should be on the IPMS Lancashire stand if you fancy dropping by.

Not long to go now...

Nick
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Nigel Jackson on October 28, 2015, 06:50:57 AM
I'll be there all weekend, starting with set up on the Friday.

Should be on the IPMS Lancashire stand if you fancy dropping by.

Not long to go now...

Nick

Will do, Nick

Best wishes
Nigel
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Des on October 28, 2015, 06:55:52 AM
I would love to be there but it's a long way from my place.

Des.
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Nigel Jackson on October 28, 2015, 06:56:43 AM
Bo, Lance

At the latest count there are 2384 forum members. A contribution of $1 from each and we have problem solved! But back in the real world, it would be great to see you both make it over to the show one year.

Best wishes
Nigel
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: lcarroll on October 28, 2015, 08:21:36 AM
Nigel,
   Until last month I would have never believed I'd have a chance to meet my four "on line Buddies" from the Forum in Ottawa at a Model Show as we did, to say nothing of the time we spent together over three days. Anything is possible, and I'd certainly be one happy little model builder if Telford ever came to fruition!! :) I'm going to keep my fingers crossed, stranger things have happened. :o
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Suffolk Lad on October 28, 2015, 08:41:19 AM
Hi Nigel, Nick T,

I shall be there both days with the Norfolk Scale Model Group/Norfolk IPMS. I think we are in hall one. I'll look out for the Lancashire stand Nick - Nigel, if you or anyone else is passing the Norfolk stand just ask for Tug.

Regards - Tug
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: lcarroll on October 28, 2015, 08:46:31 AM
Nigel,
     May I suggest you ensure you get photos?! ;)
Cheers!
Lance
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Michael Scarborough on October 28, 2015, 09:13:11 AM
Wouldn't it be a blast if a bunch of us non-locals were able to make the journey. Dang.
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: lcarroll on October 28, 2015, 10:09:58 AM
Wouldn't it be a blast if a bunch of us non-locals were able to make the journey. Dang.

   Just think about it Michael, for fellows of our generation (I'm taking some licence by lumping myself in with several of you relatively younger fellas ;)) this could be payback for the British Invasion of the 60's! Along with a trip to NZ and a hop in a TVAL aircraft (dual but still....... :) :))) a few days in the "Big Smoke" and wandering about the Telford Show are items high on my "bucket List". As I said earlier, you just never know what yer gonna get! ;)
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: LukasTheLight on October 28, 2015, 02:25:06 PM
Meeting members next year in Telford would surely make up for worth trip... will see how I go with savings ;)

Cheerio
Lukas
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Michael Scarborough on October 31, 2015, 02:22:20 AM
Well, Lance,

Let's start planning. We can get Lukas' bride to finance the trip. Telford, TVAL, and a stop off at Des and Adrienne's on the homeward leg.

I'm game!

PS What's the "Big Smoke"? Sounds like college in the 70s to me.....
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: lcarroll on October 31, 2015, 03:12:13 AM
   "PS What's the "Big Smoke"?"

Michael,
    A flying buddy way back when (RAF Exchange Pilot) used to use the term to mean London, I thought it was a common term. On the other hand he described most common things in a "code" consisting, I presumed, of good Brit slang or, just as likely, his own terms drawn from his personal lexicon. There were some conversations that might just as well have been in Mandarin, as I had no idea what was transpiring!
   I like your idea and proposed itinerary, keep working on Lukas! In fairness we'd have to go to OZ first to pick up Lukas though......... :P
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on October 31, 2015, 03:25:05 AM
sounds like great fun wish I could be there
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Gisbod on November 01, 2015, 07:17:26 AM
I'm hoping to go  :D

I'm planning on taking Felix if I can get her there in one piece..

Guy
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Nigel Jackson on November 01, 2015, 04:32:27 PM
It would be good to see the Felixstowe, Guy. Would you need to hire a specialist removal firm to get it there?

Best wishes
Nigel
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Gisbod on November 01, 2015, 11:12:32 PM
Quite possibly! ;D

Guy
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Squiffy on November 04, 2015, 06:53:11 AM
I shall be there. Probably on Saturday.

I'll be trawling the second hand stalls for 72nd scale stuff and I may see if I can pick up a WNW Bristol Fighter.
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Nigel Jackson on November 04, 2015, 08:07:08 AM
Hi Squiffy

I see they've moved the location of the second hand area - maybe it's a bigger area. Each time I've looked in on it in previous years it's been very crowded. I might show a bit more patience this time. Good luck with the searching.

Best wishes
Nigel
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: RAGIII on November 05, 2015, 12:26:51 AM
Well, Lance,

Let's start planning. We can get Lukas' bride to finance the trip. Telford, TVAL, and a stop off at Des and Adrienne's on the homeward leg.

I'm game!

PS What's the "Big Smoke"? Sounds like college in the 70s to me.....

Reminds me of the Big Bamboo, Cheech and Chong!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Nigel Jackson on November 05, 2015, 02:51:19 AM
Nigel,
     May I suggest you ensure you get photos?! ;)
Cheers!
Lance

Camera is at the ready, Lance,  and with the batteries fully charged.....

Best wishes
Nigel
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Nigel Jackson on November 05, 2015, 03:00:40 AM
Bravo to IPMS. I read that they've decided to pay for free WiFi access for all in the venue.

Best wishes
Nigel
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Des on November 05, 2015, 01:20:32 PM
Looking forward to see a full report of the show with photos  :) :) ;)

Des.
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Jamo on November 05, 2015, 04:21:00 PM
Nigel,
     May I suggest you ensure you get photos?! ;)
Cheers!
Lance

Camera is at the ready, Lance,  and with the batteries fully charged.....

Best wishes
Nigel

How about photos of the merchant stands as well, as if we could have been there with you?
Cheers
James
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Nigel Jackson on November 05, 2015, 09:58:29 PM
I'll see what I can do, James, with a range of stands - certainly including all our favourites.

There will be considerably in excess of 150 traders displaying their wares and they are listed on the Scalemodel World 2015 website. Let me know if there are any particular ones you are interested in and I'll try my best.

Best wishes
Nigel
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Squiffy on November 07, 2015, 07:44:47 PM
My departure for Telford has been delayed by an irrepairable puncture on the Jag.  >:(

A new tyre is on its way to the fitters so I'll definitely be there tomorrow, if not later today.  :)
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Gisbod on November 08, 2015, 12:04:41 AM
Quick update from Telford  ;D

Lovely teaser on the Aviattic stand:

 (http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/SMW%20Telford%202013/A2ED7472-D0E2-4758-820B-CEF1A1BA249B.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/SMW%20Telford%202013/A2ED7472-D0E2-4758-820B-CEF1A1BA249B.jpg.html)


The new Airfix release:


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/SMW%20Telford%202013/0CD788FB-038B-4903-860E-6F4918B5014A.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/SMW%20Telford%202013/0CD788FB-038B-4903-860E-6F4918B5014A.jpg.html)


Good turn out as usual - over 1000 entries:


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/SMW%20Telford%202013/B49114BA-A2E4-4DC3-9123-746E2792AF70.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/SMW%20Telford%202013/B49114BA-A2E4-4DC3-9123-746E2792AF70.jpg.html)


Lovely little scratch built Lohner:


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/SMW%20Telford%202013/A87A2973-8EC1-440B-9879-0DBDA166D8C0.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/SMW%20Telford%202013/A87A2973-8EC1-440B-9879-0DBDA166D8C0.jpg.html)


I was just thinking I've got as good as a chance as anyone else, when this Aviattic prototype framework turns up..  :P


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/SMW%20Telford%202013/59ACC336-B2DB-4F7C-B85F-78FC0D05EB41.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/SMW%20Telford%202013/59ACC336-B2DB-4F7C-B85F-78FC0D05EB41.jpg.html)

It's a cracker..


Guy

Ps had the pleasure of meeting Nigel From the forum too  ;)
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: lcarroll on November 08, 2015, 12:16:35 AM
Guy,
    You lucky devil, and Nigel too! Thanks for the quick preview, those two Aviattic subjects look spectacular. What Kit would the MS Parosol (third "up" in photo #3) be?
     I keep going back to drool over the Pfalz DR1........... :o In the mean time I hope the Jag gets mobile ASAP Squiffy!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: bobs_buckles on November 08, 2015, 01:27:48 AM
Man alive! A Pfalz DR.1  :o
Me wants it, precious!

vB
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Ernie on November 08, 2015, 02:28:43 AM
Man alive! A Pfalz DR.1  :o
Me wants it, precious!

vB

Oh good Lord YES!!!!

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: petrov27 on November 08, 2015, 02:50:09 AM
Fantastic news on the Pfalz DrI - very cool!
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Gisbod on November 08, 2015, 03:02:29 AM
It looks lovely doesn't it?

Richard showed me a few future projects up his sleeve :) but I'm not sure if these are 'secret' or not so I'd better let him tell you about those..


Guy

Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Pgtaylorart on November 08, 2015, 03:12:19 AM
Is that Aviattic D.VII framework going to be available as a kit? I seem to recall Richard mentioning something like that in the works. That looks like a real beauty!

George
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Gisbod on November 08, 2015, 03:17:35 AM
Yes, it will be, but not ready at the moment.

The competition one (won Gold) was the guy developing it for him - it really is lovely though - it's the wings (top wings in 3 parts) and a tail section up to the rear of the cockpit..

Guy

Ps met Squiify too :)
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: uncletony on November 08, 2015, 03:41:06 AM
It looks lovely doesn't it?

Richard showed me a few future projects up his sleeve :) but I'm not sure if these are 'secret' or not so I'd better let him tell you about those..


Guy

I know. Tempting ain't it. Trying oh-so-very-hard to keep my yap shut too. Good times ahead people.
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Des on November 08, 2015, 07:01:22 AM
Thanks very much Guy for the update, WW1 modeling just keeps getting better and better.

Des.
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on November 08, 2015, 07:46:55 PM
great stuff
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: LukasTheLight on November 08, 2015, 08:31:47 PM
Hello guys!!!

So I didn't get stranded at the Bali after all and coming back to forum just to be up to huge treat!!! Brilliant news altogether!!!! ;)

Cheerio
Lukas
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Oeli on November 08, 2015, 09:53:57 PM
Hi,

thank you so much for showing the pictures.
I would also like to go to more such events. but I have a feeling that there is more available in other States of such events, as in Germany.  :(

regards
Jörg
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: RAGIII on November 09, 2015, 12:24:51 AM
First thanks for sharing the photos from the event! I am envious of all of you who were able to attend! The Aviattic releases look terrific and that Pfalz is a real stunner! Believe it or not I also find that TINY BE2 tempting  ???
RAGIII
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Gisbod on November 09, 2015, 06:13:55 AM
Guy,
    You lucky devil, and Nigel too! Thanks for the quick preview, those two Aviattic subjects look spectacular. What Kit would the MS Parosol (third "up" in photo #3) be?

Lance

Sorry Lance, it was scratch built..

I was lucky enough to get a couple of prizes  :) I know it's probably bad form to post but...

(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/SMW%20Telford%202013/A8A3AD55-9AB7-4161-B09D-3D022D38C303.jpg)

And the editor of 'Scale Aviation Modeller' contacted me and said he wanted to do a feature on the Felixstowe!  ;D

Guy
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Des on November 09, 2015, 06:33:22 AM
Congratulations Guy, what a wonderful collection of prizes and all justly deserved, well done. And well done also for the feature on your Felixstowe in the Scale Aviation Modeller, quite a feather in your cap. BTW, it is not bad form to show us your medals, I'm sure that I speak for everyone in saying that we are very proud that you, the medal winner, are a part of this forum.

Des.
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Suffolk Lad on November 09, 2015, 08:02:28 AM
We just arrived home after quite a tiring journey. Truly great weekend throughout  which we both enjoyed immensely  :)

Congratulations to Gisbod for your win - I heard lots about your Felix from my club colleagues but didn't get too see it unfortunately as we finally got to the comp room late this afternoon after you'd removed it. Of what I did see however I thought the Caproni was a really superb model and and though so much smaller the little Lohner just as impressive in it's build quality and superb finish.

Nigel Jackson finally found me on the club stand after calling a couple of times - it was nice to meet you Nigel and chat and later after some searching finally we found the Lancs stand and I also had a real nice conversation with Nick T. Shame we didn'tanyone else - ah there's always another time.

My initial feeling before getting to the hall on Saturday was that I didn't feel in the right frame of mind for buying anything. Spent some time talking to Ushi first thing, made that first purchase and it was all downhill from the point in time  ;D

All in all a Great time was had by all

Regards - Tug
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: lcarroll on November 09, 2015, 08:43:50 AM
Congratulations Guy, great results and very well deserved. I don't get Scale Aviation modeller however be sure to let us know which issue your "Felix" will be featured in, I'll make a point of getting that issue for sure!
Nice to see one of our Members recognised at such a large and prestigious event, outstanding! 8) 8) 8)
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: jknaus on November 09, 2015, 10:13:45 AM
Congratulations on the wins and the magazine article. I will be sure to buy that issue when it comes out. Lance if you have a tablet or ipad or even the pc look at https://pocketmags.com/ and under hobbies and crafts scale modeling. You can get the issue and read on your device of choice. That's what I do due to the dearth of magazines here.
Those models look fantastic. Would love to see them in real life.
James
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: mike in calif on November 09, 2015, 11:36:30 AM
Good reading. It would sure be fun to go. Congrats Guy on the awards, and magazine feature. The DVII stripdown sure looks good. Lots of good stuff there, and it must be a blast to put names to faces and meet. I'm pretty far away in So. Cal, but appreciate the pics and text.
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: bobs_buckles on November 09, 2015, 08:31:13 PM
Conrats, Guy!
Well deserved  ;)

von B
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: RAGIII on November 09, 2015, 08:53:39 PM
Congrats Guy, Well deserved award!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Gisbod on November 09, 2015, 09:50:02 PM
Thanks chaps!

One cock up tho - I entered 2 models in a standard kit class - got back after the judging to find they'd been disqualified  :P I'd put some photo etch in the cockpits and hadn't given it a thought. To rub salt in the wound the judge came up to me afterwards and said he was sorry as he'd given them Gold & Silver but someone pointed out the error to him afterwards..  ::)

Schoolboy error!

Some final pictures from the show..

Beautiful 1/72 Brisfit won Gold...


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/SMW%20Telford%202013/F96A48E0-238D-4740-A985-DD33E723D1CB.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/SMW%20Telford%202013/F96A48E0-238D-4740-A985-DD33E723D1CB.jpg.html)

Lovely 1/48 Silver...


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/SMW%20Telford%202013/2C749085-AFF4-4891-96D5-507B1087391D.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/SMW%20Telford%202013/2C749085-AFF4-4891-96D5-507B1087391D.jpg.html)


1/48th Gold...


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/SMW%20Telford%202013/0A057AC7-DF56-4DBA-907E-9645FE72C88E.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/SMW%20Telford%202013/0A057AC7-DF56-4DBA-907E-9645FE72C88E.jpg.html)


Good tactical move - Gold in the single prop/ single seat class (ie not specific WW1)...


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/SMW%20Telford%202013/47580855-7384-4BE1-AFCB-E5AF7A1220DB.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/SMW%20Telford%202013/47580855-7384-4BE1-AFCB-E5AF7A1220DB.jpg.html)


Can't wait for next year! It really is worth a trip. 3 aircraft hangar sized halls all packed with traders & club stands & a huge competition..

Guy
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Ssasho0 on November 09, 2015, 11:26:57 PM
Thats a lot of medals and well deserved :) Congratulations!
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Nigel Jackson on November 10, 2015, 01:12:14 AM
Hello All

I've just got back from an exhausting weekend in the UK. A wretched rental car breakdown and an important family occasion meant that, after much of Saturday at the exhibition, I was only able to spend a further 45 minutes there on Sunday. Nevertheless I'll post some photos to complement those of Guy as soon as possible.

It was great to meet Guy - and congratulations on those much deserved awards (and to see a WNW Felixstowe in the flesh as it were), and then subsequently to meet Tug and Mick.

Just one thing to tease you with for the moment. I pressed the Eduard team on their much anticipated SE5a.......

Best wishes
Nigel
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: taurusmodels on November 11, 2015, 03:04:44 AM
Hi Folks!

I've just come back from Telford. Really great show!!

Unfortunately I'm a great loser :/ My engine has lost... Great shame, because in my category there was only few models. It was nice, but rather simply models. I thought, that my Bentley has any chances in competition - I was building it almost two years with research of each detail in the real object. Unfortunately it was not enough for competition. It was my first, and the last competition. What a shame....

Sorry for this grumbling, but I must be honesty - I would surely tell about any success, so I should also tell about fail :/


All the best, Lukasz
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: coyotemagic on November 11, 2015, 03:28:02 AM
Unbelievable, Lukasz!  Your Bentley is magnificent!  I have heard that the judging was very poor this year.  Ron Kootje got screwed by the judges for his scratch built 1/32 scale Caproni bomber.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: taurusmodels on November 11, 2015, 03:33:51 AM
Concerning to Ron - I was so happy, that Ron's Caproni has been submitted to another category :)

I was really angry abut the verdict concerning to Caproni - fortunately Ron won the Taurus Trophy (a set of Br2) - in my opinion it was one of the most time consuming and the greatest kit in the competition.
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: coyotemagic on November 11, 2015, 03:44:49 AM
Well, that, at least, is some good new, Lukasz.  Still, your Bently not getting recognized is a travesty.  I've lost interest in modelling contests as a whole lately.  I have boxes full of trophies in the garage and have come to feel that the greatest possible award I can receive is the acceptance and appreciation of my fellow members on this forum.  That said, I haven't been put off to Telford altogether and hope to attend next year, if only to meet the friends I've made over the years on the forums.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Michael Scarborough on November 11, 2015, 04:04:38 AM
Well, this makes some fine lunchtime reading.

Congrats to Guy!

As far as you being snubbed, Lukasz, what could they possibly be thinking? Oh, maybe they weren't thinking! I haven't attended a comp here in the states in a while but from what I have heard, the same story exists. There is a strict set of outdated rules and judges with basically no imagination. This is doom for any model builder with the slightest sense of artistry or imagination. The hobby is advancing a light speed but the quality of judging is standing still.

Not to wander too far from the theme but, The World Expo will be held in Chicago in 2017. This is the triennial event held at different venues in the USA and Europe and was, initially, started for the model figures crowd. It's basically The Olympics for anyone involved with figures but the "ordnance" section has grown considerably. The judging is very fair and not at all myopic as the IPMS judging has become.
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Gisbod on November 11, 2015, 04:14:52 AM
I completely agree re the judging - unfortunately it's a lottery..

The amount of categories I saw where there was a travesty of justice.. Made me feel quite cross. I spoke to the competition secretary at the end and showed him a few examples (nothing to do with me), but he just backed up his judges and said it was subjective. But to me some clearly weren't. You'd think they'd be able to find a judge who knew about the subject he was judging..

One in particular stood out to me - a Beaufighter, that had the nicest finish I'd ever seen on a model - beautifully detailed - I just couldn't stop looking at it - he didn't get a medal - the Gold had glue showing in places and an average paint finish.. It really does spoil the competition...

I feel for Lucasz.. I think you just have to go there expecting that and try not to get wound up! The models do get seen by a huge amount of people so they can make their own minds up...

Guy

Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Gisbod on November 11, 2015, 04:27:12 AM
Ps

It does rather devalue winning anything too..

Guy

Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Pgtaylorart on November 11, 2015, 06:13:35 AM
Congrats, Guy! Very we'll deserved.

Lukasz, I agree with everyone, you were robbed, you should have won. We all know the quality of your work and no one can top you!

Richard, I can't wait to see the new jewels you are producing!

George
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Russell on November 11, 2015, 07:03:07 AM
To quote George:



Lukasz, I agree with everyone, you were robbed, you should have won. We all know the quality of your work and no one can top you!


George

I very much agree as well.

Regards
Russell
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: lcarroll on November 11, 2015, 07:16:07 AM
   It's a pity that the excellent work done by Lucasz and Ron didn't garner any significant recognition. Judging can be very "fickle' at times, some results defy logic! Lucasz, your Bentley is spectacular, and Ron, if the Caproni is anywhere near the quality of what you're producing for Aviattic you too were apparently robbed! >:( :( You both get my votes as "Winners"!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Des on November 11, 2015, 07:23:36 AM
   It's a pity that the excellent work done by Lucasz and Ron didn't garner any significant recognition. Judging can be very "fickle' at times, some results defy logic! Lucasz, your Bentley is spectacular, and Ron, if the Caproni is anywhere near the quality of what you're producing for Aviattic you too were apparently robbed! >:( :( You both get my votes as "Winners"!
Cheers,
Lance

I agree 100% with what Lance has said.

Des.
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on November 11, 2015, 01:42:30 PM
i judge every year at my local ipms contest. what i have found is ww1 aircraft is too obscure and specialized for the average modeller to comprehend. they would look at a model like rons next to a 1/32 spitfire nicely done and think they are in the same class. the reality is comparing mozart to the back street boys. sure the back street boys sold more albums in the few years they were around then mozart sold those same years and most average people would prefer pop to the intricases  and dynamic virtuosity of classical but anyone who knows music would laugh at a comparison.the joe blow guy on the street modeller has NO CLUE what goes into a stellar build like rons caproni.bottom line a decent ww1 aircraft modeller can judge anything as the techniques used are so diverse you are forced to become a master modeller. but a guy who builds standard stuff whether that be yet another me-109 or panzer iv has no clue what we do and is not qualified to judge our models. this is my opinion but i think it is close to reality.
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Pgtaylorart on November 11, 2015, 02:39:31 PM
Scott, you are exactly right about everything you said about the differences between WW1 aircraft modeling and other models. I joined a well established model club in my area (So Cal) last weekend. I showed some of my current WnW builds and my Taurus engine. None of the other modelers knew what they were looking at. They were all talented modelers judging by the work they showed, but they had so many questions. They over simplified our whole process. When I told them about the Aviattic linen decals they were surprised and realized that it is much more work than it appears. And they couldn't see the difference between the WnW rotary engine and the Taurus! :o

On the positive side, I think I made a few converts who are interested in trying some WW1 subjects. :)

George
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Suffolk Lad on November 12, 2015, 09:08:49 AM
Ps

It does rather devalue winning anything too..

Guy

Oh how I can empathise with this view Guy.

Though, as said in my last post I had a great weekend I did see the, let's say, 'down side' to things. I did not want to mention them before as didn't want to appear negative but one of the things I did feel (and not for the first time) was the inequality and apparent inconsistency of the judging. Among many other examples a club colleague, my wife and I looked long and hard in bewilderment at the Caproni wondering just what it was the judge(s) didn't/couldn't see.

I have been there - in 2008 I was thrilled to win Gold in the 1/48 aircraft detailed class, a Ju 52 on floats, but the same year had put heart and soul into a 1/35 First Gulf War Challenger tank which was detailed down to tapered wire ends on bungees. Whilst this received a Bronze I felt the judging had simply not been of sufficient awareness. I truly don't believe in making a fuss - at the end of the day someone has to do the job and unfortunately not always are they knowledgeable of the subject in hand. It could be said that they should be of course but that's only going to happen in an ideal world I'm afraid. It can however, as you say, leave one paradoxically questioning the value when one does win  ::)

I haven't deliberately entered a competition for some time now -  personally it doesn't seem so important any more. That's not to take anything away from those that do though - but the fact that the playing field is seemingly on an uneven keel at times can make for quite some disappointment if you 'build to enter'.  As my plastic modelling has developed however I have come to the conclusion that no award is better than the one of being accepted by your peers. Recognition by them is a far better guide as to how well one is doing - at what ever level of skill one has. 

Finally, I wan't going to mention his either but perhaps I should - One of the other 'things' that troubled me was the belligerent and extremely arrogant attitude of some of the 'Yellow Shirts'. Late in the day on Sunday, my wife having to listen I was spoken to in the most appalling way by one of them - No, I didn't rise to the bait nor enter the fray and no, I'm not going to go any further but I can tell you it has had a profound affect on our thinking for the future :(

I won't let it affect my modelling though so now it's back to that Camel  :)

Regards - Tug




Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Cimmerian on November 14, 2015, 12:10:30 AM
There's a large collection of photos from the event here.

http://imodeler.com/tag/scale-modelworld/
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Thumbs up on November 14, 2015, 04:31:06 AM
Really enjoyed having a look at some awsome modelling skills,thanks Ken.
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Des on November 14, 2015, 06:42:13 AM
Thanks Ken for the link to the Telford report, I have only just touched the surface and what I have seen so far is amazing.

Des.
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: dr 1 ace on November 14, 2015, 08:11:11 AM
Regarding the above comments about judging, I saw the same inequities in 2013.  Some categories were right on, in others I could not understand a "award winner" having un-equal panel lines, miss-aligned landing gear and in-correct/un-even wing and tail incidences, other than having a catchy markings scheme and every panel opened up to reveal some added details.  It was only after I asked about the judging and the criteria did I understand.

Seems they use a 50 point system (10 points each) for Originality, Color schemes, Decals and Markings, Overall Realism and Construction. The category judges mark their sheets, I was not told if it was a team effort or just done individually (which I suspected), and a 2nd party tabulated the results. With this in mind I easily see why results vary so much.

As mentioned in some of the posts by others above, you really need a team that is knowledgeable in the subject and in good modeling skills.  I know IPMS-USA Nationals gets grief over being sometimes too sticky on the construction aspects, but if you don't clear that 1st hurdle of basic modeling craftsmanship the rest can be just a crap shoot.  A team of 3 experienced judges doesn't need a point system to come to a 1-2-3 finish.  True, maybe the most knowledgeable judge (especially in our WWI area) may well be an entrant in the category and thus ineligible, but for the most part it seems to work out.

The one note able exception is the Michael L Fritz Memorial Award for outstanding achievement in modeling of World War I aircraft. AFAIK, in all types of modeling contests it is the sole award that is judged only by the previous award winners. Each new winner then becomes a member of the judging team for future contests- ineligible for a second award- giving others encouragement. Thus the MLF judges are most careful in picking the most appropriate winner. And yes they do this totally independent of the "regular judges", so  they have "rewarded" by this separate award, a few models that were overlooked.

As for Telford, GO !!!! it is worth it just to see the unbelievable number of displays and new products. Take an entry sure, but don't be overly anxious or upset about taking an award or not.
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: lcarroll on November 14, 2015, 01:09:51 PM
   Thanks for the Link, Ken, there's some absolutely magnificent work on display here. I can't imagine how incredibly impressive a lot of this must be first hand!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: mike in calif on November 15, 2015, 01:05:19 AM
Thanks for the link! LOTS of great stuff to see.
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Trackpad on November 29, 2015, 01:53:44 PM
I'm aiming for 2017 for a few good reasons. Been there several times, notwithstanding living five time zones away from the UK. I strongly recommend it as arguably the pre-eminent plastic model show in the world: vendors huge and small, swaps, SIGs, UK chapters, a phenomenal collection of modelling work in the UK National Competition...the list goes on. If you can at all get there...get there!  ;D

Exceptional gathering of first rate WW1 models -

(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff205/29selley/DSC_0069_zpsxgmrcjfi.jpg)

1/72nd scale Matchbox/Revell corvette -

(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff205/29selley/DSC_0057_zpsfvkirwfy.jpg) 

Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: mike in calif on November 30, 2015, 12:24:39 AM
Whoa! The ship is ....like ...wow dude!
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: Trackpad on November 30, 2015, 05:01:22 AM
Hey, Mike,

If you've not seen a completed 1/72nd corvette, it almost three feet long. This one shows a ship being repainted in harbour by the crew, full rigging and detail pieces in place, plus several cutaway sections showing the ship's interior. An additonal hook for me is that it is a Canadian corvette. The builder took something in the neighbourhood of three to four years to build it! I tell you, Telford is the place to go to see this level of workmanship and outright skill and talent. Makes me want to give up modelling and take up a more relaxing hobby...like alligator wrestling!   ;D
Title: Re: Telford 2015
Post by: mike in calif on November 30, 2015, 11:34:57 AM
gary,
 Yeah, had one, sold it, sort of wish I had it back, but I have to narrow my focus modeling wise a bit. A real nice model that is.