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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: KrzysiekK on January 24, 2017, 07:05:28 PM

Title: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: KrzysiekK on January 24, 2017, 07:05:28 PM: Hello,
Base on great threads done by xan and Edo I would like to start mine adventure with MS parasol type.
Sorry for not showing the inbox pics but I have already separated parts from the sprues, which I fact are rather the smaller parts of all kit. As the intention of manufacturer was to provide the “multimedia” kit, the bulk of it constitutes PE parts.
Have started with cockpit part adding some styrene bar, which should be visible after assembly. The rigging of frame was switched to the fishing line, which is not tightened at this step. I have also tried to fit PE frame into the cockpit part and it seems to be properly measured.
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_1.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_2.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_3.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_4.JPG)
regards
K
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: markleecarter on January 24, 2017, 07:38:19 PM: A great start - looking forward to following this!
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: Borsos on January 24, 2017, 10:35:06 PM: Yes!!! More French planes! I cannot wait to see that one finished and I'll follow closely.
Very promising start on these complex PE parts!
Borsos
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: Juan on January 24, 2017, 11:21:24 PM: Nice choice, great start, looking forward to your progress.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: xan on January 25, 2017, 12:04:01 AM: waoh! a L type! a great remind for me the kit is old but good.
I kept the pics of the mount. this evening I look what I have and send it to you OK?

Xan
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: RAGIII on January 25, 2017, 12:11:13 AM: Nice to see another model being made of this venerable kit ,(and Aircraft). You have made a great start! I like your idea of replacing the PE wires with monofilament. It will look much better when tightened than the PE.
RAGIII
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: TobyCoulson on January 25, 2017, 01:21:23 AM: Is it my imagination or are there more 1/48 and 1/72 scale builds these days?
Lovely start so far. The interior looks very neat especially with mono being used rather than PE.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: coyotemagic on January 25, 2017, 03:00:16 AM: I'm very much looking forward to following this one, K. What scheme will you be doing?
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: lone modeller on January 25, 2017, 03:20:18 AM: Great to see one of the lesser known French types. Excellent start too - looking forward to more.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: uncletony on January 25, 2017, 05:08:15 AM: Great start!
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: Des on January 25, 2017, 05:26:26 AM: Nice work so far K, looking forward to seeing further updates.

Des.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: Monty on January 25, 2017, 06:03:26 AM: Nice start! It looks good and neat, looking forward to more! Regards, Marc
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: xmald on January 25, 2017, 06:08:45 AM: I love the MS L but I was always slightly afraid of that kit ;) Maybe you can give me some courage to start one. Adding some styrene to the PE bits is a very good idea. You can count me as a part of the audience ;)
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: xan on January 25, 2017, 08:30:56 AM: if it can be usefull that's what I did

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2014/12/26//14122611132918634312823942.jpg)

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2014/12/26//14122611133018634312823943.jpg)

Xan
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: Adam on January 25, 2017, 08:49:27 AM: Very good start.

Adam.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: Edo on January 25, 2017, 04:09:29 PM: Hey K!
Very well done! My effort was due to the fact that I don't like working with PE, and actually I completely screw up so I had to find somethig different, but you di da wonderful job, neat and clean.
I am eager to see how it will unfold!
Ciao
Edo
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: KrzysiekK on January 25, 2017, 05:15:53 PM: Thanks for the support!
Xan - thanks for photos as I am going to do same 356 as you did :)
Indeed not an easy kit due to huge amount of PE small parts but after SPAD 7 I will handle :) I will try to keep up with new updates but have to finish PZL P.8 first, which drew my attention from WW1 aeroplanes (just for a while :)
regards
K
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: KrzysiekK on January 30, 2017, 05:59:14 PM: Hi,
not much done in the cockpit area but still working on it:)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_5.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_6.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_7.JPG)
regards
K
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: xmald on January 30, 2017, 08:19:07 PM: Looks nice Krzysiek! You can try the greenstuff for the seat cushions - it really makes it much easier ;) I`m still trying to figure something out about the engine we discussed. I`ll let you know soon. Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: Juan on January 30, 2017, 11:47:47 PM: Looking good, wonderful work.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: RAGIII on January 31, 2017, 12:10:18 AM: Coming along very nicely K! Looking forward to more ;D
RAGIII
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: lone modeller on January 31, 2017, 03:10:17 AM: Very good detail - do go for the seat cushions too. Looking forward to more.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: coyotemagic on January 31, 2017, 03:41:46 AM: Brilliant work on the innards, K!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on January 31, 2017, 04:14:55 AM: Very nice K
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: Adam on January 31, 2017, 10:34:24 PM: All is very good, but I think Filip is right about cushions.

Adam.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: KrzysiekK on February 06, 2017, 06:24:31 PM: Hi,
ok, the interior is almost done. Last picture shows the work done just before the final closure.
Base on Filip’s suggestion I switched the second cushion to more like visible on Windsock data:)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_12.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_13.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_10.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_11.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_14.JPG)
regards
K
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: lone modeller on February 07, 2017, 04:06:38 AM: That is a wonderful interior. If the rest of the model is anything like this it will be an outstanding winner!

Stephen.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: RAGIII on February 07, 2017, 08:44:25 AM: Your interior is really looking great! I am looking forward to the rest of the build.
RAGIII
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: KrzysiekK on March 01, 2017, 08:24:04 PM: Hello,
Being lost in 30’s last century with PZL P.8 project I am getting back to MS parasol type
Undercarriage. It is done as PE part in little thicker manner but still too thin as for me. So decided to put the epoxy on it and use some sandy paper afterwards
Very bottom – initial part, at the top & next pic final version
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_15.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_16.JPG)
next had to prepare the fuselage for initial painting
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_17.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_18.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_19.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_20.JPG)
regards
K
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: RAGIII on March 01, 2017, 11:50:21 PM: Really great work with those PE struts! Looks terrific sitting on the gear, minus wheels of course. Looking forward to the next update.
RAGIII
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: coyotemagic on March 02, 2017, 03:03:09 AM: Quote from: RAGIII on March 01, 2017, 11:50:21 PM
Really great work with those PE struts! Looks terrific sitting on the gear, minus wheels of course. Looking forward to the next update.
RAGIII
I agree 100% with my amigo, K!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: PrzemoL on March 02, 2017, 08:59:27 AM: Fine progress, K! Lovely!
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: Manni on March 02, 2017, 08:06:36 PM: Very good work, as usual, when it comes to you.
Looking forward to the next steps.
Manni
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: KrzysiekK on March 15, 2017, 08:04:49 PM: thanks!
not much done but good news is that painting had started
I have decided to put initial black base and then do some amendments to reach more or less no.356 outlook
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_21.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_22.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_32.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_33.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_34.JPG)
then started to prepare the main wing
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_23.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_24.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_25.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_26.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_27.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_28.JPG)
After the initial paint layer
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_29.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_30.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_31.JPG)
then the hardest part how to resemble in scale those thin black stripes on the humb. Decals: No. as will not be possible to implement stripes of hair width. Paint: not possible to adjust the tape to leave the space just in the middle with repeatable, fixed width. Marker/pencil could be..
regards
K
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: jeroen_R90S on March 15, 2017, 08:49:36 PM: Can't offer any idea on the stripes, but the shading and colours look great!

On second thought, I did do the blue trailing edge rib tapes on my 1/72 Fokker DVII and Albatros DVa with mixed oil paints, as they allowed time to make repairs or tidy up incorrect areas. They're not nearly as prominent, though...
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: Juan on March 15, 2017, 09:34:35 PM: What beauty she is turning out to be. Looking forward to your next installment.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on March 16, 2017, 03:08:12 AM: You can buy one sheet of decal paper then paint it black. Then ca glue 2 exacto blades together at the spine. Make a handle from wood dowel cut a notch for blades and tape in place with electrical tape. Then use a metal ruler and put the black decal paper on cardboard. The blades cutting surface will be .5mm apart or maybe a touch less. I used this method before.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: lone modeller on March 16, 2017, 04:07:44 AM: However you do put on the black stripes I wish you luck. So far this is turning into a truly great model.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: xan on March 16, 2017, 07:36:18 AM: good work Krzysiek!
The color seems good...
which plane will you represent?

Xan
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: RAGIII on March 18, 2017, 06:29:12 AM: Beautiful work on the pre shading and finish of the CDL! I am looking forward to the next update!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: aliluke on March 21, 2017, 06:34:23 PM: Wonderful work. I'd love to see the box art to sense the outcome.

For stripes - not sure what you are making with them - Woodland Scenics - railroad modelling stuff and easily available - do striped decal sheets down to 0.25 mm - in black, red, yellow and white. They are dry decals so you have to rub them on. I used them on my Weddell Williams racer and got all around the curves and along the straights by using wee bits of them at a time. A very long process and exasperating at times! but it worked. I could never do that with a pen or any other tool that I can think of. The black lines in 0.25 mm look perfect now once they are all sealed into the paintwork with a clear overspray. When I redo the Gee Bee R1...one day...I'll be using the 0.25 mm red stripes between yellow and black surfaces. Given the curves, it'll be a lot harder but it can be done!

Hope that helps.

Alistair
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: KrzysiekK on March 21, 2017, 10:05:03 PM: Hi,
Xan: I will represent no. 356
Well, pls see on pic below that black stripes are really thin…
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/humbstripes.png)
Woodland Scenics..will check it, in the meantime I tried to do it by soft pencil. Obviously softer pencil, blacker line we get. I am keen to leave it as it is. Once varnished they should stay firm
Have to decide then
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_35.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_36.JPG)
regards
K
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: xan on March 21, 2017, 11:25:57 PM: here another pic who shows the black stripe in a Type N (same thing)

(https://www.histoire-image.org/sites/default/bour1_vedrine_001f.jpg)

in my parasol, I used black tape

(https://s2.lmcdn.fr/multimedia/4f1401507740/86595679148b/produits/ruban-adhesif-noir-l-10-m-x-l-19-mm-voltman.jpg?$p=tbzoom)

i cutted regular stripes with a plotter and fix them; in the plane it was wooden tripes , so with the tape stripe you can represent the relief...

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/02/11//15021104460218634312953747.jpg)

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/02/11//15021104460218634312953746.jpg)

Xan
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on March 22, 2017, 12:02:27 AM: looks fantastic k, i'm enjoying this build
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: xmald on March 22, 2017, 02:43:32 AM: It all looks great Krzysiek. You may also sharpen the lines using the pencil, just don`t use the felt tip pen - it may ruin your model ;)
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: RAGIII on March 26, 2017, 08:19:56 PM: Like the others have said your Morane is looking awesome! Excellent work with the pencil!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: KrzysiekK on March 28, 2017, 12:27:56 AM: Thanks for watching ;)
I have decided to use 0,05mm black marker and varnished whole wing afterwards to avoid smudging
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_39.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_40.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_41.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_42.JPG)
I have bought the Small Stuff U.0 and done initial silver layer
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_37.JPG)
after assembly
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_44.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_45.JPG)
regards
K
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: lone modeller on March 28, 2017, 06:57:25 AM: Those lines are super. That must have tried your patience but it was well worth the effort. This is a terrific model in the making.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: RAGIII on March 28, 2017, 08:03:14 AM: Quote from: lone modeller on March 28, 2017, 06:57:25 AM
Those lines are super. That must have tried your patience but it was well worth the effort. This is a terrific model in the making.

Stephen.

I agree 100% Well worth the extra effort!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: Edo on March 28, 2017, 03:05:06 PM: wow! that wing is owesome!!!
ciao
edo
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: Gisbod on March 28, 2017, 04:13:40 PM: Blimey, that's neat!

Guy
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: Juan on March 28, 2017, 10:58:43 PM: Incredible so far, looking forward to your treatment of the rest. Beauty!!
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: KrzysiekK on April 09, 2017, 11:17:35 PM: thanks!
started final step: rigging…
this pics are taken for the middle of it. I had to add the mounting PE parts for better anchoring
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_46.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_47.JPG)
(http://rebe83.waw.pl/pub/krzysiek/warsztat/MStypL/MStL_48.JPG)
regards
K
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: Manni on April 10, 2017, 05:48:24 PM: Superb!
So many lines. I am speechless. A pleasure to watch.
Manni
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: xmald on April 11, 2017, 11:04:20 PM: Simply beautiful Krzysiek! You have managed to turn this crude model into a true gem!
How did you manage to make these PE struts look right - not as almost 2D object?
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: KrzysiekK on April 14, 2017, 06:11:47 PM: thanks guys
Filip: I have not done anything with the struts. It seems that the black paint and photo perspective makes little 3D impression
Project is almost done, so will switch to gallery mode soon ;)
regards
K
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: TobyCoulson on April 14, 2017, 08:16:06 PM: Fantastic work. The wing is a marvel of modelling skills well beyond me.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier L type//Eduard//1:48
Post by: RAGIII on April 15, 2017, 03:06:05 AM: Incredible rigging job! I envy your talents!
RAGIII