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Forum Archive Storage => Copper State Models => Topic started by: Edgar on August 13, 2020, 06:19:51 PM
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Hi Folks
Here is the box art for our latest RFC Nieuport
(https://i.ibb.co/z29FCK2/rfc.jpg)
And we have picked three markings
- Nieuport 23. B3459, was flown extensively in combat by Capt Fullard to gain 16 of this final 40 victories including the capture of a Junkers J.I before ending its days in Egypt.
- Nieuport 23. B1552, flown by Lt.E. `Mick` Mannock, 40 Sqn RFC, (with different top wing roundels (wing repair probably?))
- Nieuport 23. B1566, flown by Capt W.A. Bishop, 60 Sqn RFC (not sure if we need to add C.5 on the fuselage though)
We are offering you to suggest RFC markings for our Nieuport,
The winner gets a free RFC Nieuport kit
Important rules:
1. No A. Ball's markings
2. No markings starting with a letter A, those are the Nieuports with different engine cowl (early types)[/list]
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Brilliant idea Edgar, and very generous - I love it!
I have some ideas, but as a moderator i'll stay out of it. C'mon folks, have at at! This is a fantastic opportunity to influence a major release and win a prize in the process! Wonderful!
Cheers,
BC
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Hi all,
Not such an easy task, given the restriction of a Nieuport 23, RFC only and not an 'A' series aircraft.
There's plenty of profiles or photographs around for other Nieuport types, but few and far between for the 23 in RFC service.
Hopefully someone will turn up with a profile worthy of CSM's model,
Mike
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Go for the B 3459, after all he brought don a J1. Think it’s a great idea. Built lots of Wingnut Wings ( am I allowed to mention the competition ( deceased) ) but not a Niupeuport so next on my list once I’ve finished backlog. However the completed ones have pride of place in the man cave and half at least have CSM’s crew inside.
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Go for the B 3459, after all he brought don a J1. Think it’s a great idea. Built lots of Wingnut Wings ( am I allowed to mention the competition ( deceased) ) but not a Niupeuport so next on my list once I’ve finished backlog. However the completed ones have pride of place in the man cave and half at least have CSM’s crew inside.
Hi Saas,
I think the idea is suggestions for a fourth scheme to go with the three CSM have selected,
Mike
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Flight leader A S Shepherd flew B1504 marked 1 C and scored 9 of his 10 victories in it. I think these look pretty good with the fancy fuselage number/letter and the red band
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d4/f3/ea/d4f3ea313812ceb8550c3addb39b4eba.jpg)
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Nieuport 17 is possible as well, but that Nieuport should have only regular engine cowl and not horseshoe cowl
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Two 60 SQN suggestions; Nieuport 23 B1575 flown by Alan Scott MC, author of 60 Squadron. Or B1654 60 SQN - Between 14 June 1917 and 15 July 1917 Keith Caldwell claimed 6 Albatros DIII in it.
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Nieuport 23 B1597 of 2Lt GD Hunter. Can be seen in Osprey's Aviation Elite Units Squadron 60 page 84. Nice set of markings. Plane was eventually lost when Hunter was shot down and wounded.
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I'll second Kit's motion for the Caldwell option!
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How about another Mannock's machine - B3607 with yellow spinner - colour scheme 6 (photo in Page 28) in Norman Franks Osprey Aces No. 33.
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Although I don't have a reference photo how about something different. As all of the others are aluminum why not do B 3578 of 29 squadron. PC 10 upper surfaces white "B" on the fuselage. ( Eduard Models featured this one in one of their releases profile drawing in their instructions.). Laurence Kert failed to return from a mission in this aircraft in Nov. 1917. There must be a photo somewhere for reference 8)
RAGIII
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what i'd like to see is Tom Falcon Hazell's ship. B1649 or B3455.
i don't know if this is a '17 or '23 as i don't yet have the Cross and Cockade RFC Nieuport book.
Hazell was a notable ace, 43 claims, 20 in nieuports.
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Next suggestion ; There are enough good ideas here for two whole sets of decals. Just as with the Italian decals, could it be worth doing a set of decals that could be bought as an extra, with some of these additional options on it? Perhaps some other nations as well?
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Next suggestion ; There are enough good ideas here for two whole sets of decals. Just as with the Italian decals, could it be worth doing a set of decals that could be bought as an extra, with some of these additional options on it? Perhaps some other nations as well?
Personally I wouldn't mind seeing someone do some Storks and Lafayette Escadrille Markings. That being said I hope it is Copper State.
RAGIII
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Next suggestion ; There are enough good ideas here for two whole sets of decals. Just as with the Italian decals, could it be worth doing a set of decals that could be bought as an extra, with some of these additional options on it? Perhaps some other nations as well?
Personally I wouldn't mind seeing someone do some Storks and Lafayette Escadrille Markings. That being said I hope it is Copper State.
RAGIII
i'd be very keen on this, especially Storks.
i have plans to order 11 more CSM Nieuports, i could add to that (i'm one of those driven by the pilot/story of a particular ship more than aircraft type, aircraft beauty, or engineering marvels)
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also, if Tom Falcon Hazell flew the wrong kind of Nieuport i'd be interested in Keith Caldwell's, but Hazell must have flown a lot of Nieuports.
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I was going to say Sous-lieutenant Marcel Robert Bloch with the Rocking Horse on the side of it.. Once I clicked post I saw it had to be an RFC machine... So that rules that one out :o
I thought Caldwell only flew the Nieuport 17 with No.60 Squadron.
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I have two ideas to this:
1. what is with an "training aircraft machine"? Like this ones (I know, the sample pics shown no Nieports but perhaps there are some machines they used for training) I like the unusual colorfull scheme.
2. What ist with a "caprtured by te Germans" machine?
Best regards,
Martin
pics found here on FB: https://www.facebook.com/MontroseAirStation/posts/3003707453040703?__cft__[0]=AZUcL0-y91xgv2Fa766oP2nevTC_PDrS5Vih0kfxY8sJA4Sx_y4Lsd8ZzaSXUJKGQDdHmdUaaIyIkMv0KL44k0_t4B51GhEDG9LpebrhF4QMMGdcekhV_JvB4M2FsczQZZB792X_nYBIbWLVksG0AsKu6pxk2prJydJo04tuJPXerLSJIWNJb3jycufmLue1agQ&__tn__=-UC%2CP-R
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Since there are already three "aces", I'd like to suggest something else; on page 20 of the Osprey Jasta 18 Red Noses book there are two photographs of a Nieuport A6678 (although an A machine it is captioned as a XXIII, but I'm not sure of the differences in cowl design. The photo clearly shows the type of cowl but I'm not sure what to look for)
This aircraft was brought down by Ltn. Paul Strähle for his seventh victory, unfortunately the pilot (LT Anthony) died from his wounds in a German hospital. This scheme would be a tribute to all those lesser or unknow pilots who risked their lives but did not live to see the Armistice.
Jeroen
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Next suggestion ; There are enough good ideas here for two whole sets of decals. Just as with the Italian decals, could it be worth doing a set of decals that could be bought as an extra, with some of these additional options on it? Perhaps some other nations as well?
Personally I wouldn't mind seeing someone do some Storks and Lafayette Escadrille Markings. That being said I hope it is Copper State.
RAGIII
Nice idea
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Since there are already three "aces", I'd like to suggest something else; on page 20 of the Osprey Jasta 18 Red Noses book there are two photographs of a Nieuport A6678 (although an A machine it is captioned as a XXIII, but I'm not sure of the differences in cowl design. The photo clearly shows the type of cowl but I'm not sure what to look for)
This aircraft was brought down by Ltn. Paul Strähle for his seventh victory, unfortunately the pilot (LT Anthony) died from his wounds in a German hospital. This scheme would be a tribute to all those lesser or unknow pilots who risked their lives but did not live to see the Armistice.
Jeroen
Yes thanks a tribute to the more unknown/ fallen to balance with bullshit artist Bishop.
Apologies in advance. You can take or leave this view/opinion.
PS found some interesting (camo) scheme for N 27 but not much for N 23/4. I’m happy with the current schemes and Ball but will have another look. Best of luck gentlemen! Daz out
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I just hope it has the right cowling (being an "A" series aircraft).
Does anyone know what to look for? (might also be of interest for aftermarket decals or masks?)