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Title: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on August 22, 2014, 10:11:38 AM
I'll soon be back with my next WWI project. I first planned to build only one D-III but the painting schemes are so attractive that I came to the conclusion it's impossible to make only one. So that will be two...as a starter.  I like silver-grey Pfalzes, as well as colored ones, and I like lozenges. So it turned out to be these ones, which will add a bunch of color to my dedicated WWI shelf (the profiles below show a D-III as the top plane, but photo evidence prove it's actually a D-IIIa)

(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/_doc_p20.jpg) (http://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1732&u=11494792)

I won't be starting before at least two weeks, time to complete my current WIP WWII kits.
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: Des on August 22, 2014, 10:49:17 AM
A pair of very colourful Pfalz aircraft Vincent, I'll be looking forward to seeing these two kits come together.

Des.
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: Alexis on August 22, 2014, 09:31:12 PM
Oh my , two Pfalz D.IIIa !

Will be following this closely with those colourful schemes  8)




Terri
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on August 23, 2014, 02:48:12 AM
Thanks for your interest. Terri, the second one is the same as yours, so I may have to ask you a few questions about the paint scheme if you don't mind.
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: Alexis on August 23, 2014, 09:19:58 AM
Ask away and I will do my best to aid you !  :)


Terri
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: RAGIII on August 23, 2014, 11:25:20 PM
I am looking forward to your build!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: frame on August 26, 2014, 01:22:42 AM
Very interesting endeavor. I will follow with great interest.

Best regards
Hristo
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on August 27, 2014, 09:25:18 AM
Thanks. I will start with a series of no less than 6 Mercedes D-III engines, in order to gain time (it goes faster to make the same task several times while you're at it, than starting all over again at every build). They will equip the german fighters I've planned to build, ie Albatros D-II, Pfalz D-III, Fokker D-VII early etc. In fact, only the top of the engines will be detailed, that is valve springs, rocker boxes, camshaft and a few pipes...I will use Roden engines or copies, as they're the best representation available.
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on October 02, 2014, 12:56:54 AM
I've actually started the work. I've collected as many plans, cutaways, time pix and sketches I could find, and I've decided to build several versions of the bird, which will make the "chain work" a bit less boring...
So the pair is becoming (almost) a trio. Almost because the 3rd bird will only consist into a fuselage on its wheels, with an engine, guns, hanging wires and mechanics working on it. The reason is, one of the MAC boxes contains parts for both a D-III and D-IIIa, that is 2 fuselages, 2 lower wings, and 2 stabilizers. Why get rid of half those parts when it could be useful?

In order to use all parts and make a D-III as well as a D-IIIa, I needed to find an interesting D-III, and I think Rudolf Stark's machine with it's lilac fuselage band and nose, should make it:
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/_doc_p30.jpg) (http://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1841&u=11494792)

What I've started to do is making molds for parts that should be duplicated in order to complete the dismantled a/c (which will be von der Marwitz's machine): rudder, wheels, seat, landing gear spreader.
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: Wolf on October 03, 2014, 05:40:05 AM
Good choice.
Looking forward for the next steps.
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on October 06, 2014, 11:20:42 AM
I've changed my plans a bit. Rather than starting from 2 MAC boxes, the second one will be from Roden. The reason is the Roden kit has more precise details, some of which will be duplicated for the MAC kits. So here are the 2 'boxarts':
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/_boxar13.jpg) (http://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1863&u=11494792)

Here are time pix of the 3 machines. From top: Stark's D-III, Böhning's late D-IIIa and von der Marwitz's early D-IIIa. The latters will differ by some details like the shape of the strut ends and the prop. Also note that Böhning's machine has a telescopic sight which is better depicted on the close-up below.
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/_doc_p31.jpg) (http://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1854&u=11494792)

A sight on the accessories I'll use. On top a box of Orion figures, and below from left to right: Eduard PE Spandaus and seatbelts, LF Models prop logos, an FCM sheet that includes a lot of gauges, and 5-color Pegasus and W&W lozenges.
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/_acces10.jpg) (http://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1853&u=11494792)

As for the Alby, the upperwing lozenges will be home-made. They're slightly lighter than the previous ones I've made and get closer to Aviattic's:
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/_decal12.jpg) (http://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1855&u=11494792)

About the rib tapes, a close-up of Böhning's machine shows variations in the tape's color, indicating lozenge-made ones.
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/_doc_p32.jpg) (http://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1861&u=11494792)

In order to spare lozenge decal, I've prepared a small sheet for printing on clear decal, which includes lower and upper tapes, as well as stencils, crosses for Stark's machine and Pfalz logos:
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/_decal13.jpg) (http://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1862&u=11494792)

I've made a quick 3D scene using simple Albatros models, that is intended to check the dispatching of models on the planned diorama (sorry this time, captions are in French):
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/_doc_d20.jpg) (http://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1850&u=11494792)

At last, I've started moulding spare parts. Here's a bunch of them, straight out of the moulds. The engine in the lower left was made from Milliput epoxy putty which makes more rigid and bubble-less parts. In the center, a portion of copper spring that will be chopped into valve-springs:
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/montag84.jpg) (http://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1857&u=11494792)
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: Squiffy on October 06, 2014, 06:27:57 PM
You are going to add valve springs? In 72nd scale?  :o This is going to be an impressive build!
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: Ernie on October 06, 2014, 09:33:29 PM
Looks like an exciting project, Vincent.  I will enjoy following your
build.  When done, with the 3D projection, it should be a really
attractive diorama.

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: IanB on October 06, 2014, 11:34:43 PM
Interesting project, I'll be following this!

Ian
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: RAGIII on October 06, 2014, 11:44:44 PM
I am looking forward to seeing this diorama unfold!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: vincentm on October 07, 2014, 02:44:37 AM
Thanks.
Quote
You are going to add valve springs? In 72nd scale?
Yes, I've already done that on my previous WWI bird.
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: vincentm on October 14, 2014, 01:30:06 AM
I've started building five Mercedes D-III engines. 3 will be more simple models for the Pfalzes, since only the top of them will be visible. The remaining two are intended for my coming Albies (D-II and D-Va). I finally got rid of the Milliput-cast engine since parts are too thick and too difficult to sand to have the halves match. Plastic copies of Roden engines are more suitable.

Despite this, the best copies of props I got are the ones cast from Milliput, which have smooth surfaces and no bubbles. I've also bought a set of photo-etched tools that will be added to the diorama.
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/montag87.jpg) (http://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1888&u=11494792)

Very few of the photo-etched parts provided by MAC are useful, most of them being piping or parts that should have a rounded section. On the other hand, the seatbelts which would've been useful, are lacking...I will only use the rudder pedals that should look OK, in case they're still visible when the fuselages are closed. The 'D-IIIa Aces" box contains rhodoid patterns for the D-III-type windscreen. Below, the small 'Mata-Hari' bill I've printed for sticking on the hanger wall.
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/montag88.jpg) (http://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1889&u=11494792)
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: RAGIII on October 14, 2014, 01:38:05 AM
I am looking forward to your multiple build!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: vincentm on October 14, 2014, 12:02:47 PM
Thanks. I noticed making several samples of a kit at a time spares time, but if I start building 3 kits instead of one each time I start a new project, I'm gonna have to look for showcases...

Let's start with detailing the engines. Those for the Pfalzes are simplified since only their tops will remain visible. Only the two for the Albies have been fitted with piping and spark plug wires. Valve springs are built by wrapping copper wire around a pin. For the third Pfalz, the exhaust stack is a copy cast from Milliput. Gas/air ducts have been cut away from the engines to make painting easier.
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/montag89.jpg) (http://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1890&u=11494792)

Next, valve springs were added after the camshaft has been glued on top of the cylinders:
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/montag90.jpg) (http://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1891&u=11494792)

Metallic panels are just scribed on the fuselage, which is not very realistic. I've started replacing them with adhesive aluminum sheet, which will add the required thickness and replace plastic with real metal at the same time:
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/montag91.jpg) (http://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1892&u=11494792)
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: coyotemagic on October 14, 2014, 12:11:25 PM
Astonishing work, Vincent.  Especially in 1/72 scale.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: RAGIII on October 14, 2014, 07:27:21 PM
Astonishing work, Vincent.  Especially in 1/72 scale.
Cheers,
Bud

Agreed! Fantastic start!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: vincentm on October 14, 2014, 08:30:31 PM
Thanks. It was actually a good surprise that adhesive aluminum can match such a complex shape! I hope it will work well with all metal panels.
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: radio on October 14, 2014, 08:38:55 PM
Exellent details for this little birds.
Martin
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: Nigel Jackson on October 14, 2014, 09:05:15 PM
Fascinating, Vincent. I'm amazed what people like yourself are able to achieve in this scale. What skills!

Best wishes
Nigel
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: vincentm on October 15, 2014, 02:29:19 AM
Thanks. I think it's just a matter of being used to it, since I've almost always built 1/72nd kits. But I have to agree that everything is definitely smaller on WWI birds, which means harder to build, harder to handle and so on...Moreover, my favorite brands are short-run kits for WWI subjects, and they require more planning and scratch-building than classic injected kits. But I like this side of it, it eventually allows more freedom and creativity during the building.
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: vincentm on October 24, 2014, 11:57:39 AM
Before painting the engines, I've started building the Spandaus. Rather than trying to fold properly the parts for the breeches from the Eduard sheet, I've decided to keep the original plastic breeches and add the PE parts to rebuild the guns.
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/montag99.jpg) (http://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1906&u=11494792)

When the machine guns were completed, they got a coat of flat black which will give them their basic color and a good grip for a rub with a soft drawing pen. On top of the pic, the two simplified model I made from crap (unused plastic parts...and the Eduard breeches which I finally managed to fold up). Those will be used inside the fuselage of the D-III where they should be nearly invisible.
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta100.jpg) (http://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1908&u=11494792)

The five engines after painting and oil weathering.
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta101.jpg) (http://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1909&u=11494792)

I've then rebuilt the fuselage metal panels with adhesive aluminum. It works very well, the metal strectches and matches the complex shape of the front fuselage. It can even be drilled or scribed (with care...). After I took the shots, I reworked the metal sheets with some tool I found on my wife's workbench (as usually...), so the surface is smoother. The rounded hatches have been cut with a punch. The idea of this metal covering is to give a little thickness to them on the kits, since everything was only scribed down on the original plastic parts.
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta102.jpg) (http://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1910&u=11494792)
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: RAGIII on October 24, 2014, 01:46:30 PM
Outstanding to say the least!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: radio on October 24, 2014, 10:29:12 PM
Very great details and nice builds.
Martin
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: IanB on October 24, 2014, 11:04:56 PM
Very nice indeed! What is the aluminium sheet that you use, and where is it available?

Ian
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: Epeeman on October 25, 2014, 02:11:10 AM
Crikey!

you must have the patience of a saint to undertake all this intricate detail work in small scale .........

Great work!

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: vincentm on October 26, 2014, 08:13:27 AM
Thanks.
I don't know if it's a matter of patience to build small parts. It is rather a question of will. Then it takes the time it takes, no-one waits after my models to be completed...except me, I must admit I'm eager to see the way the birds will look with their bright colors.
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: Alexis on October 26, 2014, 09:19:05 AM
So I'm I looking forward to seeing these brightly coloured birds . The work you have done so far is coming along quit well  :)





Terri
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: vincentm on October 28, 2014, 09:48:10 AM
Thanks! I just hope Böhning's a/c will look as good as yours!
I've improved the surface of metal panels using an embossing tool. It works really well. The D-III is shown here, with the most complex fairing shapes.
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta103.jpg) (http://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1911&u=11494792)

Next, I've built the engine side panels of Marwitz's machine from aluminum sheet, using the plastic fuselage parts as a template. Then the panels have been cut away:
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta104.jpg) (http://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1912&u=11494792)
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: RAGIII on October 28, 2014, 10:08:15 AM
Very clever and IMPRESSIVE use of materials! Looking great!!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: coyotemagic on October 28, 2014, 10:19:32 AM
Very clever and IMPRESSIVE use of materials! Looking great!!
RAGIII
I agree with my amigo!  VERY impressive.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: Alexis on October 28, 2014, 09:44:30 PM
Very clever and IMPRESSIVE use of materials! Looking great!!
RAGIII
I agree with my amigo!  VERY impressive.
Cheers,
Bud


Same here as well  8)



Terri
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: vincentm on October 28, 2014, 10:07:04 PM
Thanks. I've been surprised how much the adhesive aluminum can be pushed and stretched inside the hollowed areas, I could even push it inside the gun holes on the D-III, as can be seen on the pics. Then bolts have been punched in with a sharp spike, and smoothed using the embossing tool again. I will certainly go on using aluminum tape in the future.

I still have a few more panel to cut out and stick at various places, and I've already rebuilt the stabilizer stiffeners this way.
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: Ernie on October 29, 2014, 08:57:57 AM
Facinating stuff, Vincent. :D  Your models are coming along well.
Excellent imagination as to using different materials. I look forward
to seeing your next updates. :)

cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: vincentm on October 29, 2014, 09:52:14 AM
I browse a lot of aircraft modelling forums and pick up tips here and there. I know a guy who entirely covered a WWII Wildcat with aluminum tape, it just looks so real as the kit is actually covered with metal sheet. I had already used this material for replacing panels on a P40 wings, and making bullet holes.
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: stefanbuss on October 29, 2014, 07:28:55 PM
Isn't it rather boring to do five engines at the same time?

As the Roden Pfalz DIII in 1/72 was my very first WW1-related kit, i will be watching this with a lot of interest. The use of adhesive aluminium is a very good idea - if you don't mind i will "steal" this from you, and try using it myself.

Stefan
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: vincentm on October 30, 2014, 09:41:22 AM
Quote
Isn't it rather boring to do five engines at the same time?
Sure it is, but it is less boring than the idea of having to start all over again at each kit with a Mercedes D-III...

The surfaces are a little bit better on the Roden kit, but the bad side IMO, is the separate cowling which forces you to sand the fuselage sides and damage the tiny details.

To apply the aluminum tape on each fuselage half, I aligned the patch bottom straight end with the scribed metal panel lines. Then I pushed it inside the angle the panel makes when it becomes vertical, and smoothed it till it reaches the top edge of the fuselage. After that, I had it match the shape of the fuselage towards the front first, and then towards the rear, cutting away the excess with a sharp blade following the kit recessed panel lines. Finally, I re-smoothed the entire surface with an embossing tool to have it match the fuselage shape as well as possible. The final step was scribing lines and nut holes.
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: vincentm on November 01, 2014, 12:21:50 PM
I have scratch-rebuilt the control cable fairings. That makes 18 small parts on all 3 fuselages, sometimes chain-work is definitely boring...The good side is that all preliminary work on the fuselages is done and I can (at last) start building the cockpits.
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta106.jpg) (http://servimg.com/view/11494792/1915)

2 of the birdies will sit in a remote repair unit, so I found it was a good occasion to try and scratchbuild fabric-covered moveable surfaces. I built both the rudder and elevator for the D-III, from plastic rod and copper wire. Here are the steps: 1 glueing the rods on a scale template, 2 adding copper wire to complete the structures, 3 checking the parts on the a/c plans, 4 basic painting (wooden elevator and welded-tube rudder):
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta105.jpg) (http://servimg.com/view/11494792/1914)

Next step, "fabric" covering. I've covered the rudder with rolling paper, which then has been painted CDL. Well at the moment, it still lacks the coat of varnish to deserve the "CDL" name. The varnish should have the paper stretch a little more, and protect it for further painting operations. An interesting side is that the part is slightly translucent like the real one. I plan to tear off the paper in some areas like if the rudder had been damaged.
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta107.jpg) (http://servimg.com/view/11494792/1919)
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: uncletony on November 01, 2014, 12:27:42 PM
I love this Vincent.
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: Nigel Jackson on November 01, 2014, 06:33:04 PM
Wow, interesting and very impressive Vincent. How on earth do you people who work in this scale manage such things!

Best wishes
Nigel
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: vincentm on November 01, 2014, 09:33:45 PM
Thank you!
Quote
How on earth do you people who work in this scale manage such things!
I use very thick magnifiers!!

I was wondering if it would be possible to scratchbuild wings and simulate fabric covering, in order to get translucent wings like on some SPADs or early WWI a/c.  I've built a few balsa models in my youth and thought it should just work the same in a smaller scale. This experience on control surfaces shows it is possible.
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: Ernie on November 01, 2014, 09:34:09 PM
The work on the rudder and elevators is stunning,
Vincent.  I hope the "fabric" works as well as it
already looks. Just a super idea, my friend! :D

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: coyotemagic on November 02, 2014, 01:33:17 AM
Extraordinary detailing for such a tiny scale, Vincent!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: frame on November 02, 2014, 02:41:41 AM
WOW!
For quite time I was not logged in the forum and what to see. In your theme miracles happen.
Where to find this patience that made ​​those details I do not know, but the result is fantastic.
Keep working still, because your work is a real joy to watch.
I stay waiting for the development of this incredible project.

Best regards
Hristo
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: Epeeman on November 02, 2014, 04:33:51 AM
Crikey - bloody impressive detailing work!

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: radio on November 02, 2014, 06:52:41 AM
Very great detailing. ;D
Martin
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: vincentm on November 03, 2014, 12:04:37 PM
Thank you all! As I'm always looking for new experiences, I'm now thinking about the best way to build series of ribs...I have a friend who has the stuff to make PE, and with the explanations Bo gave me about this, maybe this could be a way. Another would be to scratchbuild master ribs, then make moulds and cast ribs from either melted plastic, Milliput or resin. 

Besides, I have started working on the pits. Nothing really interesting for now, just plastic bits glued together. I will make shots when it looks a little better.
Title: Re: Pair of Pfalz D-IIIa's, MAC Distribution + Roden 1/72
Post by: Wolf on November 03, 2014, 10:31:40 PM
Vincent, this is superb!
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on November 05, 2014, 03:52:10 AM
Thanks.

PS: I realize I forgot to mention I've slightly changed my plan. I gave up the Roden kit, I finally decided to use 2 MAC Distribution boxes the following way:
-Pfalz D-IIIa "Aces" (contains parts for a D-III): one full D-III (Stark), one D-IIIa under repair (von der Marwitz)
-Pfalz D-IIIa: one D-IIIa (Böhning)
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on November 22, 2014, 01:34:50 PM
My computer has been under repair for almost two weeks now, it looks like it's dead so I'm waiting for a new one to be built.
I've just installed an image soft on my wife's computer so I can go on posting WIP.

From top to bottom then left to right: the dashes waiting for the oil to dry and their gauges; seats with Eduard belts; a rusted fuel tin; painted Brengun PE tools; the Mata-Hari bill; the table i will put spares and tools on; the D-III's elevator structure; a wooden box and the D-III's 'paper covered' rudder:
(http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/11/49/47/92/montag10.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1926)

Next, the hanger. Built from engraved plastic and aluminum sheet from the measures of the CG scene. Thin plexi for the door windows and electric wire for the handles. The arrow shows the plate that will be painted dark gray to create a fake depth for the hanger:
(http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/11/49/47/92/montag11.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1927)

Four props from various makes, the paint of which (oil) has taken more than a week to cure. This is due to the fact that oil has been used almost without thinner to simulate wood grain.
(http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/11/49/47/92/montag12.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1928)

A fuselage prior to be closed with rudder pedals, cables, stick, gauges, belts, walls, etc...and the size of my fingers show there is not much room to house all this...
(http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/11/49/47/92/montag13.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1929)
(http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/11/49/47/92/montag14.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1930)

All three fuselages glued:
(http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/11/49/47/92/montag15.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1931)

The first decal sheets I've printed for this build: Stark's D-III s/n, stencils, gauges, some crosses, Pfalz logos, and lozenge upper and lower rib tapes for Böhning's machine:
(http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/11/49/47/92/montag16.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1932)

After that, I've taken the adhesive aluminum over to complete the metal panels. The one on which the arrow points is one-piece like on the real aircraft. Then the lower metal fairing was added.
(http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/11/49/47/92/montag17.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1933)

At last, a thin aluminum band was used to create the reinforcement belt between the front gear legs. All metal parts or hatches are made from aluminum which I hope, will add realism when the kits are painted and weathered.
(http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/11/49/47/92/montag18.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1934)
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: RAGIII on November 22, 2014, 02:23:40 PM
Your Pfalz DIIIs are continuing to look awesome! Each update is a true delight to see!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: radio on November 22, 2014, 09:27:26 PM
Like Rick no other words.
Martin
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: Ernie on November 22, 2014, 09:44:32 PM
This is great, Vincent!  Your propellers look really good, and
the aluminum bits are quite something.  I am wondering how
the foil takes a flat or satin coat, if that is what you are planning?
  Your detailing is very well done, and I am looking forward to
seeing the next updates.

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on November 22, 2014, 11:01:58 PM
Thank you all.
To Ernie: the aluminum foil gets on well with paint and varnish. I've already used some to figure the panels with bullet impacts on this kit's wings:
(http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/11/49/47/92/tomaha10.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1935)

It has been painted with enamel paints, then a coat of Future, decals, Future again, weathering with oil and pigments, then a coat of flat varnish. You just have to scratch the paint on it to get a real metal look.
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: IanB on November 23, 2014, 01:19:08 AM
They're coming along very nicely, Vincent. I may have to get some of that aluminium foil...

Ian
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: WarrenD on November 23, 2014, 01:30:00 AM
Wonderful work sir on your "batch build". I'm sure I missed where you mentioned this, but are you using aluminum foil for your panels?

Warren
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: Dric on November 25, 2014, 12:58:07 AM
Excellent idea, I will look forward for your diorama
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on November 25, 2014, 12:44:15 PM
Thanks all.
Warren, yes I'm using adhesive aluminum foil. It seems to be able to stretch along almost any shape. The removed panels were made from ordinary aluminum sheet (food package), and embossed on the kit itself to give them their shape.

The hanger is painted and finished, I've stuck it onto the frame which is the diorama base. So I'll have to wait until the plaster is poured and painted like earth to make more pics.

Meanwhile hopefully I've managed to give the karmans their rounded shape using Milliput as a putty. Pics soon.
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on December 01, 2014, 09:47:12 PM
I've removed the engraved radiator sliding shutter and rebuilt it from scratch. The handle will be added in the last build stages:
(http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/11/49/47/92/montag19.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1937)

Small wooden table for the diorama. The top was made from a piece of the roof of an Italeri wooden building, while the legs were built from match wood (real wood is best to figure...wood, whenever you can use some)
(http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/11/49/47/92/montag20.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1938)

Attaching the lower wing to the fuselage is tricky, the fitting being poor. To get a correct alignment of the wing, I've added a plasticard guide (the white bit on the rear) and also had to add plastic at the front of the lower center section:
(http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/11/49/47/92/montag24.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1942)

Lower wings have been cut away and removed on von der Marwitz's a/c, and wing spar attachment points were added. The joint between the fuselage and the karmans leaves a crisp line that will have to disappear.
(http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/11/49/47/92/montag21.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1939)

I used Milliput for this, and wet swabs (is that the right word??) to smooth it:
(http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/11/49/47/92/montag22.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1940)

(http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/11/49/47/92/montag23.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1941)

The tailplanes were added. I've also used adhesive aluminum tapes to rebuild the reinforcement plates. The arrows show the main differences between a D-III and D-IIIa.
(http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/11/49/47/92/montag25.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1943)

Next, all three planes had their rudders and elevators installed, except Stark's machine for which the elevator will remain uncovered and will be put in place after painting:
(http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/11/49/47/92/montag26.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1944)
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: PrzemoL on December 01, 2014, 09:56:00 PM
It is a feast to one's eyes. Especially for those who like the Speyer-based-firm aircraft and their copies in the small scale! You are doing marvels with these little ones. Having built two Roden's D.III I was often wondering if MAC's are better. I see, that they are similar, Roden's kit had also serious fit problems at the wing-fuselage joint. You have solved yours in a fine way. I am looking forward to see this project completed!
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: frame on December 02, 2014, 02:28:13 AM
Incredible job. I do not know what it cost you to achieve such detail in this small detail, but I can only say to keep still because your project turns into a small shedyorar. I have a question for you: I saw that in the joint smoothed kit with cotton buds, but with what you've soaked?

best wishes
Hristo
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: WarrenD on December 02, 2014, 09:25:21 AM
I am enjoying watching this build so much, you're doing some great work.

Warren
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: RAGIII on December 02, 2014, 10:35:47 AM
I agree with all of the others. Your work continues to inspire! I have the WNW pretty high up on my List and only hope I can do half as well as you have in a MUCH LARGER SCALE!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: coyotemagic on December 02, 2014, 11:57:04 AM
Truly magnificent work so far, Vincent! 
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: IanB on December 02, 2014, 12:16:45 PM
These are coming on really nicely, very impressive!

Ian
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on December 04, 2014, 09:46:13 AM
Thanks!!
Przemol, I still wonder which one of the MAC or Roden kit is the best. I thought the Roden one would be more difficult to build because the upper front fuselage is a separate part (2 optional parts either for a D-III or D-IIIa being provided), and I was afraid I would damage the finely moulded metal panels and hatches when sanding down the joint. In the end, on the MAC kit I had to entirely scratch-build those panels and hatches because they were just scribed panels...
I also found out that the shape of the rear end of the karmans is wrong on the MAC kit (it's closer to that of a Spitfire than a Pfalz D-III), so I had to sand the lower wing rear lowerside to get the correct shape back.
Moreover, engines are copies of Roden ones which are far better...To conclude, there is a lot of work on this little kit, although the overall shapes and dimensions are fine.

Frame, the cotton buds were soaked in water. Water allows to cleanly smooth the Milliput putty without leaving any traces, and I wanted above all to prevent any further sanding to preserve my aluminum hatches.

RAG, I wish I made 1/32 plane models! The dispatching of parts on the WNW kit is far better thought than on both 1/72 kits...especially at the karman side, as well as for many more details. If only Peter Jackson could have the idea to produce 1/72 model kits...

I have made some pics of the finished hanger and lozenge decals I've drawn and printed. More soon.
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on December 04, 2014, 11:54:25 AM
Here are the pics.

First the hanger. Doors will only be glued in place when the plaster is poured, to prevent them from being buried in. The 2 a/c are in place, the third one will have it's own base.
(http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/11/49/47/92/montag27.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1946)

And here are the lozenges I printed. They can be cut either "spanwise" or "chordwise" like on Aviattic sheets. It looks like Aviattic decals whatsoever, but I wanted a blue with a little less purplish shade on the upperside. On the lowerside, the violet is a little too pinky, think I'll have to fine-tune my image file before making more prints. The blue is also a little bit too dark IMO.
(http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/11/49/47/92/montag29.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1948)
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: Ernie on December 04, 2014, 08:42:36 PM
The multi-Pfalz project is looking amazing, Vincent!
Excellent work!  The wood on the hanger looks great. :D

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on December 04, 2014, 09:38:43 PM
Thanks. I took a look to all those old wooden hangers or garages I can see while having a walk in my village. I think the planks should even look a little more greyish but well, it depends on the age of the wood.
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: Squiffy on December 05, 2014, 01:23:54 AM
I think your wooden planking looks very good. True, wood does go grey with age if left exposed to the elements but these hangars wouldn't have been more than a couple of years old - three or four at the most? If the wood was creosoted then I think your colour is fine as it is.
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on December 05, 2014, 01:35:30 AM
Thanks. Yes, I noticed the most important is to figure different shades for the planks, and the way some of them get darker at one end. When this was done, it started to look like a wooden building. For the colors, I didn't exactly know what to use as I'm not yet familiar with wooden hangers. I put a first coat of Humbrol 119, then a coat of future to protect it, and the following effects were made with oils (dark brown and black). Then a drybrush with light tan was added to the edges.
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on December 10, 2014, 10:20:29 AM
I've slightly lightened the lowerwing lozenges. Then I had the idea to print a dedicated sheet for Böhning's a/c, that would already include the rib tapes. For that, I've scanned a 1/72 plan which was used to set the correct spacing between rib tapes.
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta109.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1949)

Stark's D-III has received it's coat of matt white, intended to make the following aluminum coat flatter. Hooks for the wires are already in place. This aircraft has the scratch-built rudder that integrates rather well:
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta110.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1950)

Unlike the Albatros D-V on which I used tan as an undercoat for lozenges, this time I used ivory in order to alter the lozenge colors as few as possible:
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta111.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1951)

Then the lower wing has been masked, and the fuselage was painted with a dark shade of blue (Humbrol 144+25)
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta112.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1952)

On the two other birds, the color areas were roughly painted and will be masked prior to spraying the aluminum dope:
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta113.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1953)
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta114.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1954)

The props are almost finished (only the makers' logos are still missing). I tried different shades of brown, and my favorite combination is on the foremost prop:
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta115.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1955)

Orion figures were painted with enamels and shaded with oil. They still need a coat of flat varnish (satin varnish on leather)
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta116.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1956)

I'm happy my three birds have colors at last. Now I must wait for the paint to fully cure before masking the colored areas and applying a coat of Future on Böhning's machine.
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: WarrenD on December 10, 2014, 01:25:11 PM
Great progress!  What paint are you planning to use for the Pfalzgrau?

Warren
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: RAGIII on December 10, 2014, 02:45:42 PM
Looks like a great pre painting of the markings! It is an interesting and different procedure which I am sure you will pull off perfectly!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on December 10, 2014, 09:13:26 PM
For the "Silbergrau", I will use a Tamiya TS30 spray. Over a matt white undercoat, it looks rather dull, and this aspect will be increased by a final coat of matt varnish after all decals are applied.
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on December 13, 2014, 01:50:36 PM
The three fuselages after i've sprayed the TS30 aluminum dope and unmasked the colored areas. The differences between the painted airframes and the metal panels is visible. I will add a coat of satin varnish on them to take the scale effect into account.
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta117.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1957)

Props after they've received their makers' logos and a final coat of Future. The second from the left is for sure an Axial one, as the logos are visible on time pics of Pfalzes. From their shape, the others should be two Wolffs and a Garuda (or Niendorf maybe, not sure).
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta118.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1958)

Stark's upperwing; The radiator has been painted gunmetal then drybrushed with aluminum. Horns have been scratch-rebuilt using slices of a tube portion. I've cut the crosses rather than applying them onto the horns (up) and then a touch-up of black paint to fix it and paint the horn (low):
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta119.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1959)

The "D-IIIa" box includes the s/n and crosses for Hans-Georg von der Marwitz's plane, but you have to paint the orange areas yourself. I've printed the black outlines using a scanned 1/72 plan as a template:
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta120.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1960)

The black outline is applied on the upperwing. Then I put the crosses. The decals are crap on this sheet, the crosses desintegrated when I took them out of water. What you see here are puzzles of black crosses and black paint touch-ups...I will have to remind to spray a coat of varnish on the decal sheet in order to be able to use the rest of it.
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta121.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1961)

Marwitz's D-IIIa's fuselage after a good coat of future and a few addings: the wing roots have been painted in ply color, the cockpit leather padding, leather-brown. The adhesive aluminum parts are visible: rudder hinges, stabilizer reinforcement plates.
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta122.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1962)
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: Alexis on December 13, 2014, 04:41:37 PM
Absolutely marvelous so far Vincent . I really have been enjoying following along . Impressive work  :)






Terri
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: Ernie on December 13, 2014, 10:30:32 PM
The markings are really bringing them to life, Vincent.
Very good work on the black outlining.  Looking forward
to the next update. :D

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: WarrenD on December 13, 2014, 10:32:51 PM
Great work so far, and nice to see you carrying on through the difficulties.

Warren
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on December 14, 2014, 11:09:22 AM
Thank you all.

When I put a coat of Future to secure them, the repaired crosses went into pieces. I'm afraid the rest of the sheet will do the same...So I've reprinted all the markings for this very aircraft from a scanned version of the sheet. (I could also have used the image of the decal sheet you can find on MAC Distribution's website).

I put the black outlines on the fuselage, but the black surrounding of the rudder and fin edge will have to be hand-painted. The rounded hatches have been overpainted in grey-green.
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta123.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1963)

I still have a lot of work with the decals on the three birds. I've already put my home-made underside lozenges on the blue aircraft's lower wing. The pre-printed rib tapes will allow me spare a lot of time:
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta124.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1965)

I usually think it's a pity underside lozenges are almost invisible on a finished model on its wheels. So that gave me the idea to build Udet's Albatros D-Va in this position, in order to highlight them:
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/albatr30.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1964)

I think it will be my next build along with a red and white Jasta 18 D-Va.
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: WarrenD on December 14, 2014, 12:40:02 PM
Udet's Albie, . . . . now that's a capital idea for a display!

Warren
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on December 15, 2014, 12:16:38 PM
Sure, and moreover since it gives me an opportunity to give the underside lozenges the starring role!
At first sight, the aircraft looks almost intact with just a broken landing gear, but in fact, you can see that the lower wing dihedral angle is inverted, the rudder is bent, the spinner crushed and the engine has probably been torn out of its stand since the prop is not aligned anymore with the fuselage. Anyway it should make a funny diorama.
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: WarrenD on December 15, 2014, 12:19:56 PM
Well, you could make your life easier and just do a diorama of an everyday, unknown a/c that nosed over, suffered no major damage, etc. and still get to show off the underside lozenge. Just sayin'.  It doesn't have to be based on a photo, unless you're real committed to that manner of doing things. (And it is a good manner.)

Warren
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: coyotemagic on December 15, 2014, 02:42:30 PM
Beautiful work on all these little gems, Vincent.  looking forward to more.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: stefanbuss on December 15, 2014, 05:24:05 PM
I really like seeing what you are doing here. Bad luck with your disintegrating decals, but you are coming along nicely. The black surrounds of those diamond markings look very convincing.

Stefan
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: IanB on December 16, 2014, 12:21:50 AM
Which decals gave the problem? I have the MAC kit of this one, so it would be useful to know in advance....Great work all round

Ian
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on December 16, 2014, 09:53:13 PM
Thanks all!

Quote
It doesn't have to be based on a photo, unless you're real committed to that manner of doing things
I am! All my builds are based on time pix of the actual machines, and whenever it's possible, as close as possible to the real scene. Moreover, when I made my first D-V, building Udet's black D-Va was my first intention but I shifted to Lörzer's a/c. So I already have all the markings for Udet on an FCM sheet...

Ian, not sure if the decal issue is related to that very MAC box. Cos I had no problem with the other box (D-IIIa Aces). It may only be a matter of an incorrectly printed sheet or just an aged decal sheet, I don't know.
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: stefanbuss on December 17, 2014, 07:54:14 PM
Quote
All my builds are based on time pix of the actual machines, and whenever it's possible, as close as possible to the real scene.

I really like that approach to things, as it comes quite near to my own intentions.

Stefan
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: WarrenD on December 17, 2014, 09:02:09 PM
As someone who participated in living history programs/reenacting for 30+ years, and was what was known as a "stitch nazi" about his uniform, equipment, etc. I too like that approach. However, sometime we can get too pedantic at times. To each his own!

Warren
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on December 18, 2014, 02:02:48 AM
Sure. The rule I stick to is: at least one period pic of the actual machine, allowing to identify it. Then I either try to reproduce the exact scene (mostly when it's about crashes), or sometimes I build up my own scenario. For instance, I don't know if von der Marwitz's Pfalz D-IIIa has ever been repaired in a remote maintenance unit...
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on December 19, 2014, 12:35:36 PM
I was thinking about pre-printing a rib shading effect on the lozenge decals. It would look like this (left, normal lozenges, right, with rib shading)
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/_dycal13.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1979)

Unfortunately I had already applied the lozenges on Böhning's a/c. So i printed only the shading layer and will check what it looks like over the lozenges. I will also try on silbergrau painted wings. Below is a sample rank of home-made lowerside lozenges:
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta125.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1972)

Black outline was completed with paint on Marwitz's a/c:
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta126.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1973)

The wings of the same plane, with the first rib (they will lie on trestles):
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta127.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1974)

Upperside lozenges on Böhning's a/c:
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta129.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1976)

Fuselage and lower wing of Stark's D-III. Buried hooks for turnbuckles are visible:
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta130.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1977)

I had to rebuild the spinners from the original kit parts. I cut the prop blades away, then added a plate of plasticard at the bottom, because the diameter was too small (probably because of the metal panels I added on the cowling). Then I drilled them with a conical drill and carved in the blade holes:
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/49/47/92/monta131.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1978)
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on January 02, 2015, 12:03:02 PM
My shading decal didn't work. The shading should be printed with the lozenges, otherwise it's too clear to be visible over them.

I've been building heaps of small stuff: painting 6 wheels, applying s/n's and Pfalz logos on a bunch of masts, painting 3 gear spreaders, etc. For example, here are the landing gear legs with additionnal copper rods for a better attachment to the fuselages. I broke several of them, like I did with the Roden Albatros, and start to think about ordering brass tube...
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/montag13.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1986)

Overall view of the diorama accessories. Since I took the shot, I've covered the wooden elevator structure with rolling papers and Future as a clear dope.
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/montag11.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1984)

All decals have been apllied, including crosses, s/n, logos, stencils. On the righmost machine, the elevator is noticeable: it is the previously 'fabric covered' sparepart, that has been painted with a mix of tan and gloss varnish to get a translucent varnish, allowing the inner structure to show through:
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/montag10.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1983)

Upperwings show the contrast between parts painted with aluminum dope, which highlights every single shape, and the lozenge covered wing that looks totally flat. I will have to add some post-shading with oils on each side of the ribs.
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/montag12.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1985)

For my next build (2 Albatros D-Va's), I've already been working on the decal sheet with pre-shaded ribs. Here's a preview:
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/_decal10.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1987)
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: xan on January 02, 2015, 06:32:35 PM
Very intersting work for the decals!
Your losange paints in one fuselage is awesome too (or it is decals?)
go on and good luck!
Xan
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: coyotemagic on January 03, 2015, 02:53:42 AM
Spectacular work on all three, Vincent!  You'll have a trio of real gems when finished.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: Alexis on January 03, 2015, 11:54:22 AM
Spectacular work on all three, Vincent!  You'll have a trio of real gems when finished.
Cheers,
Bud


Second this , wonderful work so far !


Terri
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on January 03, 2015, 12:45:50 PM
Thanks!
At last I'm done with that lot of painful things to do (masts, landing gear legs and spreaders, wire hooks etc). I can go on the building again, starting with fixing the weapons.
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: frame on January 04, 2015, 09:01:49 PM
Incredible work, Vincent.
The idea for printing a decals with pre-shaded ribs is simply fantastic and with your permission, I would use it in certain my next project.
I look forward to your next posts.

Best Regards
Hristo
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: stefanbuss on January 05, 2015, 08:20:19 PM
Hm. Incredibly detailed smale-scale work, but those eyelets for the turnbuckles seem to be much oversized. You might try to improve those?

Stefan
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on January 05, 2015, 10:01:53 PM
Quote
with your permission, I would use it in certain my next project
Sure you can. I don't think I'm the only modeller who also made skins for video game models, so others may have had the idea before...The only problem is to properly space the tapes so they match the ribs. For that sample, I scanned the wings of a Roden kit rather than using a plan, in case the ribs would not exactly be moulded at the right place.

Yes the eyelets are oversized, but having the buckles go through wouldn't be possible if they were the right size (or the wires would have to be too thin and wouldn't be visible)...I plan to hide most of them with the masts, but on this bird, turnbuckles are slightly offset from the mast ball and socket joints.  It helps for the rigging, but not in hiding the eyelets...
The final touch will consist into making them less visible by painting them the same color as the wires, even a little darker.
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on January 06, 2015, 01:37:15 PM
I've been scratchbuilding a lot of small details those last days (rearview mirror, fixing tailskids, control cables etc) and I was wondering if anybody would know the color of those kind of flares on the cockpit side:
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/110.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1989)
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on January 13, 2015, 04:44:36 AM
I've just poured plaster into the dioramas bases, now it has to dry properly before painting.

Then I've added the last details before weathering the birds and fixing the upperwings. On Marwitz's D-IIIa: tail control cables, Spandaus guns, retractable windscreen (seen on some D-IIIa's), and exhaust. The latter has been painted with an undercoat of aluminum, then burnt metal mixed with drops of blue and red, and a wash with Humbrol 70 for the rust traces.
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/montag14.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1990)

On Stark's D-III: I've made bullet holes in the scratchbuilt rudder, added a classical windscreen, and the Spandaus nozzles (the guns are buried in the fuselage on this type).
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/montag15.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1991)

On Böhning's D-IIIa: a telescopic gunsight above the Spandaus, windscreen, machine-gun supply ducts, and flares on the right cockpit side. I guessed that those flares were probably white or yellow, and red.
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/montag16.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1992)

On the upperwings: expansion tanks above the radiators, radiator shutter handles, and on Böhning's wing (with the lozenges): a faired rearview mirror, the reflective part of which was made with the holographic portion of an old credit card.
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/montag17.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1993)

At last, all the masts: they all wear a Pfalz logo, a side indication (L or R) and the aircraft serial number.
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/montag18.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/1994)
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: WarrenD on January 13, 2015, 10:12:05 AM
Great progress Vincent, I hope I can do as well on my next build.

Warren
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: RAGIII on January 13, 2015, 10:42:19 AM
Awesome small details! All are looking terrific!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: coyotemagic on January 13, 2015, 11:01:16 AM
Awesome small details! All are looking terrific!
RAGIII
I agree with my amigo 100%!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: stefanbuss on January 13, 2015, 10:06:02 PM
I love all those tiny pieces. Remembering how much i struggled with my D.III, oh my...

Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on January 14, 2015, 09:08:28 AM
Thank you all. We unfortunately don't have WNW kits at 1/72, the WWI kits are mostly short-run issues.  So yes, struggle is the right word. I've already started to work on weathering with oil washes, and they already look a little better.
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on January 17, 2015, 12:16:11 PM
Marwitz's D-IIIa with the first step of the weathering (oil wash), it's landing gear and the rear radiator pipe in place. This one is almost completed since only the prop and wheels will have to be added after the flat varnish coat:
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/montag19.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/2001)

The most important step for any biplane: attaching the upper wing. The kit still with the plastic templates, since only the cabane masts are glued. Big issue with the outer masts: when the upper wing is properly positioned for the cabanes, the outer masts are too long. I have to sand them and reshape the tips. This bird also received an oil wash:
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/montag20.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/2002)

(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/montag21.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/2003)
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: RAGIII on January 17, 2015, 12:40:46 PM
Lovely work! Looking great with the wings going on!! The weathering is subtle but effective!
RAGIII
RAG
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: dtomko on January 17, 2015, 10:50:28 PM
Amazing work, I have to keep remembering these are 1/72.

Drew
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: coyotemagic on January 18, 2015, 06:15:26 AM
Truly brilliant work, Vincent!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on January 20, 2015, 10:25:47 AM
Thanks.
Quote
The weathering is subtle but effective!
yes, on time pix, those birds do not look very dirty. Moreover, the fuselage, fin and karmans are one-piece so there are not many panel lines to catch the usual dust/oil mix. I will just add a few streaks with dry pigments behind the radiators and around moveable surface hinges.

I had to modify the outer masts so they fit in place. I don't know if their shape is wrong or if it's me who modified the lower wing dihedral during the early assembly stages. All masts are glued on the D-III and I could remove the templates, which are now between Bohning's D-IIIa's wings. I will post pix when both are done.

I will do the plumming (wing tank and radiator pipes) before rigging the birdies, otherwise they may be impossible to put in place considering the very small gap between fuselage and upperwing. On Böhning's machine, there is not even 1mm between the telescopic sight and the radiator shutter handle above it...
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: Alexis on January 20, 2015, 01:50:18 PM
This is truly eye candy !






Terri





Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: stefanbuss on January 20, 2015, 06:34:13 PM
Aren't you afraid of scratching the wings surface/damaging the paint while using your selfmade template?

Stefan
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on January 21, 2015, 11:19:52 PM
No problem, they're made from thick plasticard which is just held in place by elastic threads. And all surfaces are well protected with a coat of Future. The only thing you have to take care of, is that their shape (seen from side) allows to remove them when the masts are glued to both wings.

I removed the templates from Böhning's a/c yesterday night, now that all masts are attached. Just some touch-ups to do on the mast ends where paint suffered from sanding, and a little oil wash around the ball and socket joints.

Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: Ernie on January 21, 2015, 11:29:19 PM
Excellent weathering, Vincent.  I also have to keep reminding
myself it's 1/72. Wow! :D

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on January 24, 2015, 01:04:15 PM
Thanks Ernie.

This view of the D-III shows the scratchbuilt elevator and its translucency.
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/montag23.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/2006)

I've done that plummery: on this pic can be seen the wing tank pipes, made from folded and shaped copper wire, then painted dark copper (I guessed they were probably made of copper or brass). It is pretty crowded between the fuselage and upper wing.
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/montag24.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/2007)

On the other side, radiator ducts are visible, made of lead wire and plastic rod, slightly washed with rust. The serial number can be seen on the mast, as well as the radiator shutter, its handle and rails.
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/montag25.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/2008)

A "dryfit" rigging attempt with 0.15mm stretched sprue. A bit out of scale but it doesn't look bad. If i got it well, there's no turnbuckle below the upperwing, the wire simply goes through and eyelet and goes to the wing root then.
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/montag26.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/2009)

Marwitz's D-IIIa has received a coat of flat varnish which gives the aluminum paint the final "Silbergrau" look.
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/montag27.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/2010)

I have also coated the metal panels with flat varnish which makes them a little less shiny, and gives them a better aluminum look at the scale.
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/montag28.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/2011)
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: Des on January 24, 2015, 01:26:17 PM
Three gorgeous looking models Vincent all with very unique and eye catching schemes, beautifully done, it is hard to believe they are 1:72 scale.

Des.
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on January 24, 2015, 09:09:54 PM
Thanks Des.
I'm about to apply the flat varnish prior to the rigging, we're getting close to the end.
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on January 31, 2015, 12:44:05 PM
Exhausts are in place. Not easy as they're housed between the radiator pipe, cabane mast and engine cowling offset. I switched a part of the pic to greyscale and found out the underside lozenge colors are wrong. The purple is the darkest color when it should be the blue, then green. I'm working on new versions in my image program using preserved fabric sample pix.
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/montag30.jpg)

The D-III has been rigged, and has had its landing gear added, which still requires a bit of weathering.
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/montag33.jpg)

Here's a shot of the table with tools and spareparts.
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/montag34.jpg)

I made a dry fit trial on dispatching everything on the dio. Finally it looks a little busy but I eventually like it.
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/montag36.jpg)

Then Marwitz's D-IIIa and it's spareparts have been glued onto the scenery:
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/montag37.jpg)

I've made elastic schock absorbers from sewing thread glued with CA:
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/montag39.jpg)
Then the area is weathered with an earth enamel wash:
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/montag40.jpg)

Some views of the completed D-III before it joins the diorama:
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/montag41.jpg)

(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/montag42.jpg)

(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/montag43.jpg)

I still have to finish the blue D-IIIa. I've started the rigging, but when that is done it will only lack a landing gear and prop.
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: Matt Parvis on January 31, 2015, 09:46:03 PM
Great stuff!

Matt
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: RAGIII on February 01, 2015, 09:19:08 AM
Your BUILDS are continuing to be OUTSTANDING! Looking Beautiful and the Diorama scene will be stunning!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: IanB on February 01, 2015, 09:32:25 AM
Very nice indeed. This will be quite spectacular when finished!

Ian
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: coyotemagic on February 01, 2015, 10:57:11 AM
Truly excellent work, Vincent!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: Gilly on February 01, 2015, 11:59:49 AM
What outstanding work Vincent. Truly inspirational.
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: WarrenD on February 01, 2015, 12:08:11 PM
Vincent, you've done some beautiful work with these. I do hope that when I build a Pfalz, it turns out as nice.

Warren
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: Nanks on February 01, 2015, 09:48:08 PM
I am absolutely astounded that these builds are all 1/72! You sir are an inspiration.
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on February 02, 2015, 12:52:57 PM
Thank you all! And there's still one left to complete, the most colorful of the three.
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on February 14, 2015, 11:48:29 PM
To conclude this build, a little study on the Pfalz D-III. Above left, a D-III. Right, a late D-IIIa and below, an early D-IIIa:
(http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/11/49/47/92/pfalz_49.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/view/11494792/2083)
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: RAGIII on February 15, 2015, 12:30:39 AM
Terrific build log and Stunning results!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: IanB on February 15, 2015, 02:37:16 AM
Beautifully done Vincent. Very impressive all around.

Ian
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: malaula on February 15, 2015, 02:43:39 AM
Congratulations ,Vincent,nice dio!Just a little suggestion,Wings were better not stored on their trailing edges.Keep on the good work in the right scale ;)  !  cheers  Mathias
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: Mattrix25 on February 15, 2015, 08:31:55 AM
Astonishing workmanship,I Love these pfalz,I'm sure that Terri will too!  Very inspirational, Well Done.

Regards, Matt.
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: petrov27 on February 15, 2015, 11:09:34 AM
very well done - nice trio of builds!!
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: Des on February 15, 2015, 11:44:43 AM
A fantastic looking trio of Pfalz aircraft all beautifully finished, the addition of the dio scene and the work bench are an excellent idea, well done.

Des.
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: vincentm on February 16, 2015, 12:22:36 PM
Thank you all. The Pfalz D-III is one of my favorite WWI birds, and even three are not enough to give a glimpse on all paint scheme variations...During the build, playing with the parts, I put the lozenge-covered wing above one of the Silbergrau fuselages and thought it would be a rather nice color combination. I still have to find a time pic of such a D-III.

Quote
Wings were better not stored on their trailing edges
Thanks for the info. That'll teach me to make dios without sticking to time pics, because this is how you make this kind of mistakes...
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: Type99 on February 16, 2015, 02:15:43 PM
Vincent,

Great job on your trio of pfalz and the diorama. Its nice to have all these 1/72 builds to look at!
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: Ernie on February 16, 2015, 07:53:40 PM
You have created an amazing diorama, Vincent.
More stunning as it is in the teeny scale.  Bravo,
my friend!  I am awaiting your next little jewel! :D

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Three Pfalz D-III and IIIa's, MAC Distribution 1/72
Post by: Dric on February 16, 2015, 11:45:37 PM
Three lovely birds, congrats
Dric