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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: lcarroll on December 27, 2017, 07:37:35 AM
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I've finally decided that AEG G.IV 574/18 will be the subject of my next Build. I've seen and carefully studied this aircraft in it's Museum setting many times over the past years and yes, leaned well over the cordon to place a hand on her, what a great bit of history! The aircraft was from an unknown unit but could have been from the same one as 567/18, Boghol 8b, Bosta 27, another of the options in the Kit choices. I'll be finishing it as it would have appeared in service, as it resides in the Museum, with a few minor exceptions such as the correct Diamler-Mercedes D.IVa Engines as included in the Kit.
Here's the scheme as illustrated in the Plans Booklet.......
(https://i.imgur.com/2DFdEoW.jpg)
...... and the standard Box Cover. I got the model recently from the Wingnut Wings Warehouse Damage sale. Other then a damaged box the model is in great shape although there is a bit of very minor breakage to a couple of the more delicate parts, not of any serious consequence.
(https://i.imgur.com/Aq3yYuV.jpg)
My first impression is there's a lot of model in that big box!!
(https://i.imgur.com/98Zfrzn.jpg)
I've got three great references for this Build: the Windsock Data File #51 and Ray Rimell's Modelling Special #4 on the AEG. Additionally I purchased Kevin Futter's KLP Publishing E Book, Building the Wingnut Wings AEG G.IV (Late) by Karim Bibi. I haven't done more then a quick glance through Ray's book yet having just grabbed it from under the Christmas Tree yesterday! I have read the KLP book end to end several times now and it is an excellent source!
(https://i.imgur.com/vtUqGvv.jpg)
I'll be using Aviattic's 5 Color Night Lozenge in place of the Kit Decals which I find too diffuse and dark.
(https://i.imgur.com/btG3kVk.jpg)
I've already started the task of cutting the Kit decals into templates with the result of placing a second order with the correct amounts required!
(https://i.imgur.com/m7a6UPL.jpg)
I'll be using several After Market additions on the Build with Gas Patch Parabellum Guns, Taurus Engine Upgrades, and HGW Fabric Belts on order. It will be a slow Build as the model is bigger then I can fit into my display cases so I'm going to have to locate something deeper. I am tentatively planning to start another Camel somewhere in this Build's schedule to provide a change of pace as well.
Cheers,
Lance
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Great subject matter Lance. Aviattic's decals look much nicer and with the addition of other items this one will be a real looker. Looking forward to your magic on this one.
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I got one of the distressed box kits as well. Looking forward to seeing your build.
Dave
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Juan,
I certainly agree concerning the decals. I will be attempting to diffuse them a little with a wash of the "black green" or dark blue often referred to but it will be very light.
Dave,
Thanks, and wow, wasn't that sale a heck of a deal!?
Cheers,
Lance
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Thats one large model, this will be a great build to follow.
Ray
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Holy Shneikee Lance! You've dropped a real bombshell here. So you've decided to take that leap and tackle this beast? I might have to break ot the Felixstowe. It will be fun to follow your progress through this beast.
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This will be one to watch.
Karim & Kev's digi Doc is a 1st class reference tool and will help you no end.
Good luck, Lance ;)
Cheers,
Bob
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Hey, Lance!
And he's off and running! Best of good luck with this latest gem!
BTW, my main computer is down. I'm monitoring Cdn Mafia traffic but apparently can't transmit from my ancient laptop. Should be good in a few days. Pls advise other mbrs. TIA! 8)
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And so it begins! I've bookmarked this Lance so I can follow along with your progress. I figure you should have this finished within a month, right? :o
If you're reading this MGunns, I think this means that you're obligated to drop everything and trundle out that Felixstowe, that is, if memory serves me correctly. ;)
Cheers,
Chris
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And so it begins! I've bookmarked this Lance so I can follow along with your progress. I figure you should have this finished within a month, right? :o
If you're reading this MGunns, I think this means that you're obligated to drop everything and trundle out that Felixstowe, that is, if memory serves me correctly. ;)
Cheers,
Chris
Yes, memory (still) serves me correct. I will have to pull the fork lift out of the garage and "trundle" it off it's perch. What a way to start the new year! :o
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Nothing like starting the New Year Big! I will of course follow every update as your builds never disappoint!
RAGIII
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Thank you all for the votes of confidence, and for all the encouragement from my Canadian Mafia brothers in plastic!
MGunns, Mark, don't feel you have to commit to the Felixstowe early just because I've made a start on this one. That "big boat" is a much larger and more challenging project for sure!
I've actually got a little progress made here, will post a couple of photos later today.
Cheers,
Lance
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This one is different Lance! Looking forward to you building a "big one" and it reads as though you intend to really make it inot something extra special. I have got my seat in the front row in anticipation and I know that I am not going to be disappointed.
Stephen.
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Thanks for your comments Stephen. It is really big compared to the models I've done in this scale to date, even the "Fee" appears small by comparison. I do plan to take my time and try to produce a decent model, it's been a source of great interest to me on my visits to our National Museum and the place is also a source of great national pride to me. It, along with the Canadian War Museum, is truly "world class" and I highly recommend a visit to anyone who is in Ottawa.
As an aside 3 of the four modern fighters on display there have my DNA in their cockpits so to speak, now that puts my age into perspective! :-\
Cheers,
Lance
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Here we go! I've started by removing most of the cockpit interior components from their sprues and after cleaning them up getting a coat of the standard grey green (Tamiya XF-76) sprayed on.
(https://i.imgur.com/6pB8Vaf.jpg)
I included the main fuselage halves in this exercise. I'll be returning to them and getting a good coat of gloss white on the rear portions in preparation for the interior lozenge decals.
(https://i.imgur.com/5awLnCz.jpg)
Once fully dried the various parts received a series of pin washes and highliting, just enough to provide some contrast and break up the monotone. I'll be adding a few scuff and wear marks to the sidewalls later.
(https://i.imgur.com/Q6wvaE0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ea4F4Iu.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/cI6oNNF.jpg)
Next the floors received a coat of Model Master enamel wood base mix and, using the RB Productions PE "Wood Pattern Airbrush Stencil", a grain effect spray of slightly darkened Raw Sienna. I've had these stencils for years and this is the first time I've tried them, I really liked the results.
(https://i.imgur.com/iT9CZCf.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9nZPIrS.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/TL5DRFR.jpg)
Now I'll go back to the Instrument Panel and do the individual Instruments , pick out some detail, and complete it for later installation. At this early point I have the impression that this will be a long haul!
Cheers,
Lance
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Hi Lance
I've been tempted by this kit for a while. Your early results confirm why - the detail is superb. But too many kits in waiting for me so I'll be a willing observer only as this build unfolds. Looking forward to more.
Cheers,
Alistair
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Alistair,
The detail in this Kit is hard to beat, and so much of it will be hidden!
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance, of course I will follow your new project!
What a great start, showing so much nice details.
Have fun,
Frank
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Thanks for looking in Frank, and I welcome your inputs. I'm still working on the cockpit details, hope to have an update very soon.
Cheers,
Lance
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This promises to be a big one, and a finr one indeed. A must followbuild.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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No doubt: This will be another jewel, I will follow your build closely, Lance, and I am very curious to see its progress. There's the early version of this kit dusting in my stash next to the Gotha waiting to be build --- someday, when I now how to display these beasts...
Andreas
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Giuseppe and Andreas,
Thanks for your comments and yes, the biggest challenge appears to be how to display these "beasts"!! :-\ :o
Cheers,
Lance
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I've been plodding along on the cockpit interior details and have made some progress. To this point the Build has been very enjoyable and has progressed smoothly.
The wood grained floor portions were given a spray of Tamiya Clear orange and, following Karim's lead in the E-Book Build, this was followed by a coat of AK Interactive Heavy Chipping Acrylic Fluid.
(https://i.imgur.com/lVvYanP.jpg)
Once dry a coat of Tamiya Nato Black was sprayed and again, after drying, the chipped and worn finish was done with water and a stiff brush. I wanted to try the AK product and quite like the effect that it provided.
(https://i.imgur.com/Uc31ZLu.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1WKJ5xt.jpg)
I then applied a very light wash and pin wash to various features on the cockpit side walls and panels, this ended up being a two application process later in the sequence.
(https://i.imgur.com/gOCdfbZ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9qFqbZG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/t5VPFlF.jpg)
The next component tackled was the seat assembly. Both "How to Build" Books pointed out the lightening Holes in the pilot's seat which were not represented in the kit and which I decided to add. I used the Albatros Publications method utilising Evergreen Sheet to produce a back cover for the seat made with the help of a Waldron Punch and Die Set. Having just again viewed the actual subject on another visit to the Canadian Aviation and Space Museum just three months ago I elected to go with black vs brown for the leather as applied to the Musem's Re-Build.
(https://i.imgur.com/oEUh35M.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/pAvFMiB.jpg)
The assembled seat still requires some wear and tone adjustment before it's complete.
(https://i.imgur.com/u7WmtLW.jpg)
Next I added the interior lozenge to the inner fuselage halves. Since it will be almost completely invisible on the completed model I used the pre shaped and fitted Kit decals vs. the Aviattic Night Lozenge destined for the model.
(https://i.imgur.com/Oszsymp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/rS24FQH.jpg)
And that covers approximately half of my recent progress, I'll get a few more photos uploaded and catch up to the present status later today or early tomorrow.
So far a smooth ride!
Cheers,
Lance
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The interior is really looking terrific Lance. I Love the chipping effect! But WOW, that Leather seat is spectacular!!!!
RAGIII
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Go Lance, go. Outstanding looking build thus far, looking forward to how you treat this HUGE beauty.
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Rick, Juan,
Thank you both for checking in and commenting. I should have mentioned that the seat cushion and inside back padding shows much more brown in the photos then to the naked eye but I like the effect; the natural brown of the leather showing where the black dye would be worn off a bit. I also am "sold" on the AK Worn Effects fluids, the results seem more realistic then my previous hairspray technique. A word of caution though, it can get away on you very easily!
Cheers,
Lance
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Fantastic effects, Lance. I like your work very much.
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Thank you Prze, It's a great encouragement to have my efforts complimented by you! :)
Cheers,
Lance
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The interior is really looking terrific Lance. I Love the chipping effect! But WOW, that Leather seat is spectacular!!!!
RAGIII
I agree totally, what a brilliant looking seat.
Des.
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Here's the second half of today's updates bringing me to where I'd progressed to by this morning.
While picking out some of the details on the cockpit side and transverse panels I also applied a second slightly darker application of the wash using Winsor Newton Burnt Umber oil paint thinned considerably. I like the results much better now.
(https://i.imgur.com/kMCWDZs.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/iBqF7Zq.jpg)
The throttle quadrant was also installed on the port sidewall and the push rods were replaced with stainless steel music wire as I thought the Kit versions a little over scale.
(https://i.imgur.com/w0fq2ec.jpg)
I also added the bomb Toggle Releases to the starboard wall of the Commander's "Kanzel" using steel wire and styrene dowel stock. Next I'll be adding the cables from the bomb release handle and toggles as well.
(https://i.imgur.com/EOk843L.jpg)
Next the two internal bomb racks for the gunner's cockpit were assembled followed by the third rack fitted beside the fuel tank. The 12.5 Kg. PuW Bombs were painted Alclad II Steel, given a coat of the AK Chipping medium, oversprayed with a light grey blue and then "chipped" with a stiff brush and water.
(https://i.imgur.com/tj7sSDW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/0tT6w81.jpg)
The instrument panel is almost complete requiring only the radiator shutter levers to be added to the opening on it's far left. The decals for the switch covers were applied individually to ease the task!
(https://i.imgur.com/73V8BMb.jpg)
Last the floor was re-masked and the fuel tank sprayed with the grey green and then highlighted again with the burnt umber oils.
(https://i.imgur.com/cnJPmqp.jpg)
And that's it until now. Progress is slow but there's a lot of "stuff" in that cockpit and there's still a considerable amount to do!
Cheers,
Lance
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Thank you for your very much appreciated comment Des, I entered my last update while you were adding to the thread.
Cheers,
Lance
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All of your detail painting and the IP are looking great! The bombs also look terrific!
RAGIII
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Thanks Rick, so far so good! I've also cleaned up the fuel tank area by removing Wonder Dog's hair from the seam between the two tanks, love that camera machro setting!
Cheers,
Lance
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Thanks Rick, so far so good! I've also cleaned up the fuel tank area by removing Wonder Dog's hair from the seam between the two tanks, love that camera machro setting!
Cheers,
Lance
I saw that Lance :D I was going to mention it but figured you would notice.
RAGIII
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Outstanding progress Lance. Living up to your high standards, coming along beautifully.
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Thanks Juan, your comments are most appreciated! I finally finished today's real world chores and am about to steal a few more hours with this little devil. :)
Cheers,
Lance
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HI Lance:
I like the chipping affect both on the floor and the bombs. I especially like the way the bombs turned out. The I.P. is great. This was really an advanced airplane wasn't it? With switch covers, bomb releases, quite the machine. Apparently there must have been some sort of non skid material on the decking that would chip off. You have captured that nicely with the chipping affect. The washes highlighting the interior are a niced added touch and will certainly invite attention to that part of the model. You are making good progress Lance and I am following along, you have a real "barn burner" here.
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Thanks Mark,
I'm not sure about the nature of the floor paint, but it makes sense there would have been a lot of wear and tear given a crew of three and two of them being "mobile". It is an amazing bird for it's day, considering less then two years earlier bombs were stored on the floor and hand launched over the side!
Cheers,
Lance
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Just...WOW..!!
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Just...WOW..!!
Gotta agree - WOW!
Ed
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Thanks for your votes of confidence Martin and Ed; I love getting positive feedback from Master Modellers like yourselves!
Cheers,
Lance
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Wowzers...I like your bombs, chipping, seat, instruments, lozenge, pin washes...ok. I like it ALL!
Amazing so far and can't wait for more... :o ;) :D
Dan
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Really impressive, Lance! Between this and your Camel, your chipping is truly remarkable. Can’t wait to see more!
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I much appreciate your comments, Ian and Dan. The AK Interactive chipping liquid has proved to be great stuff, and IMHO better then the old Hairspray Technique. It is going to require a bit of practice however, as it tends to go beyond that desired very quickly!
Cheers,
Lance
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I'm still plodding along on the interior and another small update is timely. The bomb release toggles added to the Aircraft Commander's front "Kanzel" required the release cables which were added using stretched sprue material.
(https://i.imgur.com/fSHA7ei.jpg)
...... and here a view with the fuselage side posed in place:
(https://i.imgur.com/AHQ8yr5.jpg)
I also added the top fabric strip to the spare Parabellum Magazines in the Gunner's compartment using paper thin Evergreen Sheet Styrene.
(https://i.imgur.com/hzMxSfH.jpg)
Here's a photo with the Gunners seat installed.
(https://i.imgur.com/2ZmkhpB.jpg)
The Compass and it's support framework and the fuel system pressurization hand pump were added to the front cockpit and the Pilot's seat installed as well.
(https://i.imgur.com/R2nlFt6.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/OvwN7HR.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/zWqlVml.jpg)
...... and here's the Instrument Panel posed on the half assembled module. The port fuselage side panel is now permanently installed to the cockpit floor. All instruments have Aeroclub bezels and the "glass" is done with numerous applications of Future acrylic floor polish.
(https://i.imgur.com/Qa4JcPF.jpg)
I've also added the extra fuel lines to the transfer pipes on top of the tank assembly and the vent pipes on the fuel caps behind the Pilot's seat, photos will be included in the next update.
Still no major obstacles, a well engineered Kit!
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance, you made a great progress on this one, fantastic results!
I also added the top fabric strip to the spare Parabellum Magazines in the Gunner's compartment using paper thin Evergreen Sheet Styrene.
If you want to improve this further I would use some HGW seatbelts (may be 1/48), or a remaining piece of the framing of such seat belts (I always keep such things for later scratch work). I have used here WWII 1/32 seat belts for securing the 1/48 missile:
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=8918.msg163257#msg163257
Only a idea, and only worth the effort, if the parts are visible on the finished model.
And this cockpit seems to be very modern: the blue/red instrument on the left corner looks like an artificial horizon! :o
Cheers,
Frank
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The interior is looking superb Lance and the instrument panel is a work of art, brilliant.
Des.
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Wow Lance, she is turning out quite nicely, up to your fantastic standards. Looking forward to your progress.
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Thanks All for your kind comments!
Frank, I too wondered about that particular instrument for the very same reason, it looks more like what I'd expect in a modern airliner! I find myself wondering if a modern instrument found it's way into the rebuilt aircraft's cockpit and was assumed to be original when the aircraft was "copied" by Wingnut Wings? I have several really good photos of the panel in my references and it's not there so I'm considering changing it, at minimum, to a less "space age" instrument face!
As for the belts, the HGW Set I ordered from Hannants finally arrived in this morning's mail so they will be installed very soon.
Cheers,
Lance
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Outstanding interior work Lance!
RAGIII
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Thanks for looking and for your comment Rick.
Further to the small exchange on the red and blue faced mystery instrument on the upper left of the panel.............. the following:
Last night after some thought on the matter I located a fairly plain instrument decal in my spare decal trove and installed it. I figured that completely removing the thing to match the (Noted as "heavily retouched") photos in the references would get messy so opted for a less invasive solution. This morning I received some info from another Forum Member who had looked into the puzzle and the following summary provides a logical explanation for the apparent mystery.
The instrument was an "Inclinometer" which displayed the angle of bank of the aircraft. Koloman Mayrhoffer of replica building fame, has two originals, one red and blue faced like the Wingnut Wings version and another brown and white faced. The instrument was mounted as Wingnut Wings has represented it. I will leave my modified instrument as is as a facsimile of the less colorful brown and white faced version and again learn to trust the Wingnut Wings Team on matters of accuracy! If I were to build a second AEG I'd install the blue and red one with no reservations.
I love these little information "Bunny Trails" we go wandering down, however I keep likening them to the puzzle of PC.10; we'll never know for sure! Now it's on with the remaining work on the cockpit.
Cheers,
Lance
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Another small update.
I've installed a few extra lines on the fuel tanks behind the Pilot's seat, the three smaller lines on the large fuel transfer lines and the vertical ones from the caps which are described as fuel quantity gauge related in the references. That great little camera indicates a little scraping to remove the mold line and touch up the large transfer line is required.
(https://i.imgur.com/x7HXSSH.jpg)
I also added the lightening holes on the seat supports, a feature I had forgotten to complete earlier.
(https://i.imgur.com/BZqOB43.jpg)
At this point I took a bit of time to chop up the Commander's temporary cockpit seat (He moved about between his forward "Kanzel" and the right hand seat position depending on the activity taking place) and rebuild it in it's stowage configuration. It will be installed on the framework behind the seat positions when the cockpit is completed.
(https://i.imgur.com/hyp3lbn.jpg)
Here's the instrument panel with the new instrument face for the inclinometer. I'll be adding some transparent red to the face to match the photo I now have of the original instrument.
(https://i.imgur.com/fpwGU28.jpg)
The order from Hannants with the HGW Belts arrived with perfect timing and I'm now working on the four sets of belts for the cockpit, a very fiddly but worthwhile part of any Build. I love this product!
(https://i.imgur.com/mTjNDpZ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/gDnqOSv.jpg)
It's still progressing smoothly however there's certainly a lot of plastic still in the box........ ???
Cheers,
Lance
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Nice work, both on the (small and fiddly belts and the scratched parts. It's one of the things I like about those WNW kits, you can build them out of the box, but also add details here and there to make it a bit different. Looks good! :)
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Thanks Jeroen. I agree, these Kits stand very well by themselves OOB however the fun's increased when little details can be added to take them just that little bit further.
Cheers,
Lance
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Super Lance!
Guy
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You never cease to amaze me with the quality of your work, and your attention to detail is excellent, I am following along intently.
Des.
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Powering along nicely ;)
Well done thus far.
vB :)
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my god, your vision must be still 20 by 20....immaculate on the tiny details..
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Not much to add to what has been said except another "Amazing" attention to details! Beautiful work Lance!
RAGIII
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Thank you all for your most encouraging comments! Martin, my distance vision is still slightly better then 20/20 however my eye Doctor informs me that without my "close up" glasses I'm more or less legally blind inside 10 feet! I find that without the Optivisor these days any work is embarrassingly poor!
I am very much looking forward to completing the cockpit module and taking a break by starting another project, this one is getting larger as time goes on!
Cheers,
Lance
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Top notch work Lance: The lightening holes on the seat support are a nice touch. You have captured nicely the seat cushion that will be stowed and the nice cushion in the pilots seat, well executed and very realistic looking. The new inclonometer looks nice too, I think you are correct in the assumption that WNW copied a later version of it vice the period piece you have shown. I am not a big fan of the fabric seat belts, but you could make me one. Seeing what and how you have done it; the rolling between the fingers technique will be employed on my next venture, whatever that may be.
The lines on the fuel transfer line are neat little add on as well, adding more interest in that area. All in all time well spent with maximum results on the interior thuse far.
I coudn't do a thing without the optivisor.
Looking forward to the next update and curious as to "whats next" on the Carroll "bench." ;)
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Thanks Mark, validation is a great motivator! The HGW belts are great but, at least for me, a time consuming process. The instructions on this particular set are badly flawed, missing and mislabeled part numbers being numerous, and I had to study the details for a while to figure out the sequence and placement. Bottom line though is the end product is unbeatable IMHO. Also, you've never lived until you've struggled with the "rolling between the fingers" thing with arthritic fingers! I've got 3 of the 4 sets built and will be applying some pastel highlights hopefully today.
Cheers,
Lance
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They do look great though Lance!
Guy
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Thanks for looking Guy. Here they are ready for installation. They were given a light "dusting" of mid brown pastel powder to dirty them up a bit and add some contrast to the details, I'm pleased with how they turned out. I'm in in the process of installing them, great little product but as I say, not a fast one.
(https://i.imgur.com/vAEhfCG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/APgjnLi.jpg)
Cheers,
Lance
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They do look nice Lance. I might have to revisit them. Very realistic looking.
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Very realistic results on those belts. I understand completely what you are saying about the instructions and mislabels etc. I have a set for the Albatros and can't get past the instructions :-[
RAGIII
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The seat belts are beautifully done Lance, they are a great colour.
Des.
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Thanks Guys. The belts take on a totally different look with some color. I like the effect of the pastels and pigments as they also provide a lot of flexibility in how much color/effect you want. Another advantage of these fabric ones (in my experience) is the ease with which they can be installed compared to the less flexible metal ones.
I'll post some more photos once they are installed.
Cheers,
Lance
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I've completed the cockpit module at last. The HGW Belts went in very nicely and once a bit of paint was scraped from a few of the joins the fuselage fit like the proverbial glove. It's shown here taped together, I still need to install the lower "tunnel" gun and do the fuselage cross bracing in that area before permanently closing it.
(https://i.imgur.com/wDhD2XY.jpg)
The Commander's forward Kanzel was completed first, the frame cross bracing being installed using Modelkasten stretch line and Bob's Buckles.
(https://i.imgur.com/XaXbWdw.jpg)
The HGW fabric belts followed.
(https://i.imgur.com/jmLHmGQ.jpg)
Next came the Gunner's "Pit", the frame members fit very nicely and his seat belts were added.
(https://i.imgur.com/L84SIZE.jpg)
The instrument panel and control wheel were added next followed by the upper frame members and the belts. The Commander's cockpit seat was also installed in the stowed position.
(https://i.imgur.com/qdN9a4P.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/erIy8aT.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/KSpj0nF.jpg)
And now it's time for a "true confessions" input; anyone whose built this model will see in the next photo that I installed the upper frame upside down, which left the stowed seat unsupported on the left side. Thankfully this is hidden with the upper turtle deck section installed on the fuselage........... so I'm leaving it as is.
(https://i.imgur.com/enaRDsj.jpg)
I'm now placing her on the shelf for a week or two while I start a shorter Build. I find that if I stay on a long project like this I tend to get careless and impatient; I'm much looking forward to a break and change of pace.
More to follow on this one in a few weeks.
Cheers,
Lance
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I have a simple question Lance. How do you make seat belts from leather in that scale? We would all like to know so that we can too! And you are having us all on the end of a piece of string with the scale at the top of this blog....aren't you?!
Stephen
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The belts, and all of the other details look awesome in place Lance! Your usual gorgeous work!
RAGIII
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Stephen, Rick,
Thank you both very much for your very generous comments!
Stephen, I'd like to take credit for the belts however when you start with a good product it's hard to not get a good result! Although as noted the instructions weren't great with this particular set the material and the way they are assembled make them a really good product.
Cheers,
Lance
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Very, very nice work Lance. :)
Fabulous crew stations - excellent detail!
I await, ice cold beer in hand, the start of your interim build and eagerly awaiting your return to this most excellent GIV.
(Actually, a case of beer, it's 40 deg c here today, same yesterday and 40+ forecast for the next couple of days. :o
But at least I don't have to shovel snow. ;D
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Superb work. Especially like the belts - very realistic finish 8)
Gary
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Superb workmanship Lance, your attention to detail is exceptional and your choice of colours is spot on.
Des.
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Superb workmanship Lance, your attention to detail is exceptional and your choice of colours is spot on.
Des.
Add me to the list of admirers :)
Excellent work, Lance.
vB
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Thanks for looking Gents and for commenting so positively. Boggie, at +40 degrees C there's approximately a 60 degree spread between our locations and although I'm not shoveling snow presently I'd still trade you places and do my very best to put up with the heat and beer! I'm still not decided on what Kit to start however the Clerget Camel keeps rearing it's pretty little head...... :-\
Cheers,
Lance
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although I'm not shoveling snow presently I'd still trade you places and do my very best to put up with the heat and beer! I'm still not decided on what Kit to start however the Clerget Camel keeps rearing it's pretty little head...... :-\
Cheers,
Lance
Lance, We are above zero Celsius in Toronto, first time in what seems like a month, I was chatting with someone in Edmonton yesterday, it seems it’s warm there too... Weathers almost balmy, nearly time to break out the shorts....
Great progress, I saw the AEG box in wheels and wings yesterday. That’s one big box, quite the challenge you have going....
Ray
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Thanks for looking Gents and for commenting so positively. Boggie, at +40 degrees C there's approximately a 60 degree spread between our locations and although I'm not shoveling snow presently I'd still trade you places and do my very best to put up with the heat and beer! I'm still not decided on what Kit to start however the Clerget Camel keeps rearing it's pretty little head...... :-\
Cheers,
Lance
And I would be honoured to provide the beer! :)
The Clerget Camel is a good choice. Some nice schemes in the box.
But Rowan's markings can't be far away now. I am looking forward to his releases also.
ps. There was an airfield near Edmonton named RAF Penhold 75 odd years ago. Still there?
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Ray,
It's warmed up here as well, only minus 2 today so it's almost t-shirts and shorts time in the GW North! Yes, it's a really big box of plastic, that's why I'm taking a week or two break before I start on the next phase!
boggie,
Penhold is unfortunately no longer a Base. As RCAF Station Penhold it was a Flying Training Base of the Commonwealth Air Training Plan during WWII and ended it's time as an RCAF Training Base with a Flying Training School using the venerable Harvard. It's in a beautiful area with the Rocky Mountains just to the west, I did a few visits there for conferences towards the end of my career in the RCAF. I believe they ceased flying there in the late 60's, and it closed down as a Reserve Base in the early 90's. Just part of a proud history now...... Hold that thought of buying the beer, I'd be "all over that"!!! ;)
As an after thought I live in fear of Rowan's pending Camel schemes, Gawd forbid he comes out with something I can't possibly resist and the Camel Count goes over the 5 I'm presently planning!!
Cheers,
Lance
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As an after thought I live in fear of Rowan's pending Camel schemes, Gawd forbid he comes out with something I can't possibly resist and the Camel Count goes over the 5 I'm presently planning!!
Cheers,
Lance
Hahehe, I share your fear! But what a reasonably pleasant fear to have ;D
Thank you for your info re RCAF Station Penhold. Interesting that it continued as a Flying Training airfield after the war.
Appropriate I think considering the many, many Commonwealth aircrew that trained there.
And as NOT an after thought :), I hereby confirm beer offer and provision there-of on hold,
but available if and when required, permanently!
;D
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boggie,
Deal!! :) :) :)
Cheers!
Lance
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I can absolutely understand the need for a break from large projects, Lance. And your interior looks fantastic, all the colors fit perfectly. This one is going to be another great model in your showcase!
Best regards
Andreas
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Thank you for looking and for your gracious comment Andreas. The "break" is working wonders as I'm already starting to look forward to getting back to this Build. :)
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance, the result of your work looks so real, the cockpit at all, the belts, the colors - I have no words for it! You take really an advantage of that big scale (compared to my small ones). I'm really impressed again.
Cheers,
Frank
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Looking great, Lance! Indeed one of the most difficult things I find on those larger scale models (and I'm doing a tiny DVII by comparison!) is making sure you pay attention to each and every part in the same way... painting consistently is really I need to learn and watching other peoples builds really provides inspiration. :)
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Frank, Jeroen,
Thank you for your most generous comments; the inspiration modellers of your skills provide is truly appreciated!
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance
It’s a real pleasure to see you bring the AEG to life!
I am sorry i am not really active on this forum in terms of following or posting builds but i sure do try to check in on you guys as often as i can.
Just wanted to say thank you for purchasing the ebook!
The greatest reward a modeller can get is to feel the work he has done has inspired others and in a sense, hopefully, helped out avert the little niggles and hiccups In the kit!
Looking forward to your next update!
Stay safe and model on buddy!
Karim
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Lance, I can only echo Karim's comments here - great build! And I'm so glad you found our book useful - that's very gratifying to hear.
Model on!
Kev
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Karim and Kevin,
That certainly puts a nice personal touch on the book, author and publisher! I am finding the book extremely useful and in fact if you look at that peeling cockpit floor you'll see I've stolen a few great ideas from the Build! Thank you both, it's a great product and is helping me, so far, stay one step ahead of my usual self induced disasters. I'll be getting back to it shortly and am looking forward to it.
Karim, did you use the clear or white backed Aviattic Lozenge on the model? I have what I need in upper and lower but believe I should have got the white backed lower surface to accommodate "overlap".
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance it’s a real pleasure for both Kevin and I to check in on your build and see your progress!!
If i recall right the Aviattic decals i used were all the clear version. I will check for you in a couple of days once i am back home and can access the “archive” where i keep the spare sheets and material related to previously completed builds!
Keep an eye out with how you want to cut the decals as the “lozenge” pattern changes around the tail horizontally and vertically. It should be visible on the wingnut wings painting guide page in the manual. I almost got caught out on this but managed to catch it last minute!
Kev and I are really glad to tag along for your build my friend!!
Karim
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Geeeeez, Lance. Looks like you could get in and fly away! NICE job...Dan 8)
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Thank you for looking and for your comment Dan. I hope to restart this Build in the next week to 10 days.
Cheers,
Lance
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I rolled the Clerget Camel to the back of the hangar yesterday and re-started this project. Next in the sequence is the completion of both Daimler -Mercedes D.IVa Engines. I started by opening the breather holes on both sides of the engine (sumps?).
(https://i.imgur.com/CxXNYuG.jpg)
I hope to complete the model with at least one of the engines displayed without the cowlings installed thus I will be adding the Taurus resin details to the engines. The references state that the aircraft were often flown with the upper cowlings removed to reduce the impact of common overheating. Although the Kit engines are described as the D.IVa 260 HP Variants installed in the aircraft the Taurus set, used in both the excellent "How to Build" volumes I'm using, are labelled as D.IV's which were the earlier 200 HP Versions. I'm assuming the set applies to the former 260 version and at this early stage the pieces appear to fit just fine.
(https://i.imgur.com/UyG066D.jpg)
In this last photo the Kit Rocker Box assembly is "posed" on the cylinder bank, the Taurus version with it's separate lifters, valve springs, and rods will be installed to replace it.
(https://i.imgur.com/H2yxjk7.jpg)
So, here we go, an exercise in sub miniature detailing performed by two arthritic club fingered hands to add to the frenzy of modelling excitement here in the Great White North! As my good Buddy MGunns says, "exciting times I tells ya"!!
Cheers,
Lance
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The aftermarket parts will certainly spruce up that engine! Looking forward to seeing it done!
RAGIII
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Very nice!
I'll be adding the same parts to The Gotha .
There are some very good pics on WNW's site of these engines. Also on The Aerodrome forum Bertyl had supplied some good museum pics on the Gotha Slow Build thread.
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Thanks for looking Rick. Steve, thanks as well. Did I read somewhere that the Gotha had the 200HP D.IV engines or did some have the IVa variant? I'll have to take a peek on the Aerodrome, I've gone through the others I think.
Cheers,
Lance
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That super detail set looks mighty fine and will certainly add interest to the exposed engine. I am sure you can pull it off Lance with no problem, previous comments not withstanding. Looking forward to seeing the engines unfold as you work through the various phases of assembly. As long as you keep the fun meter pegged to the right of zero, you will be fine. ;) By the looks of where you are now, I would say that Modelmania is running wild in the Great White North and something is being done.
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Thanks for looking Rick. Steve, thanks as well. Did I read somewhere that the Gotha had the 200HP D.IV engines or did some have the IVa variant? I'll have to take a peek on the Aerodrome, I've gone through the others I think.
Cheers,
Lance
So many changes occurring during this period in aviation development. There is most likely not a lot of VISIBLE diff in the engines. The extra HP could easily be from a change in camshaft lobe height and duration to get the extra HP. Gothas have the DVa engine sprue, and the same is supplied in the AEG kit with parts for the DV if that helps to settle things a little! * SAME ENGINE SPRUE IN THE AEG & GOTHA KITS*
Also the 'vents' cut into the engine sump (that would be the correct term) MAY have been glazed with some glass, to be used as viewing windows. A feature of early engines that was proven to be unnecessary. Look at the viewing window at the rear of the sump for checking the oil level.
If you think about the problems created by 2 holes , in the sump full of oil , the air pressure generated by the pistons downstroke would tend to evacuate the sump of oil, and the upstroke would create vacuum, pulling every bit of dirt in the area into the crankcase!
*AGAIN* just MY thinking based on watching the vent hose on Harley engines, and the amount of air pumped out of those. Certainly there would be an oil presence at the sump 'vents' if they were opened up.
Not meaning to sidetrack the work or effort here.
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For a modeller with two arthritic club fingered hands I think that you do rather well! That engine is looking fine at the moment, especially with those extras that you are going to add.
Stephen.
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Moving along greatly, meant to add my compliments much earlier !
Ed
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Looking forward to your treatment on these engines Lance. I am sure they will be up to your usual outstanding standards.
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Mark, I must admit the fun meter is pegged well over to the right, bench time has been somewhat limited the past several days and I am spending a lot of the available time going back and forth through the References......... all very enjoyable though.
Steve, I thought more or less the same concerning the vents however assumed the sump was partitioned to isolate the oil. On the other hand then why have the holes there at all? Since my mechanical knowledge is limited more or less to paying the mechanic to fix my truck I think I'll go with your theory of a glass viewing port!
Stephen, Juan, and Ed, many thanks for your great comments.
Cheers,
Lance
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Make sure you add oil to that engine before you crank her over!
;)
vB
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The info is relevant only with respect to the weathering of the engine , partitions and baffles aside the crank is rotating right above the openings and there would be oil present. One would think....
There are 2 good pics of the engine in Mr. Rimells build book on the Gotha , one shows an oil sight glass that is not represented on the kit parts and will be visible.
Good show here and I'll be watching the engine details closely for The Gotha.
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von Buckle,
I would add oil but I'm not sure where and it would probably all flow out of that nice pair of holes I carved in it!
Steve,
I don't have the Gotha book however his AEG Special No. 4 has detailed side profiles that show a sight glass on the right side (rear) and no port at the front, the left side with just the open port. The sight glass is labelled "Oelschauglas". This sight glass is not portrayed on the Kit engine and the Kit engine also has the forward port impression on both sides contrary to the profiles.I wonder what version of PC.10 it is?? ;) :o
Cheers,
Lance
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I wonder what version of PC.10 it is?? ;) :o
lol
Now your getting it!
Dont worry they were prolly trying out a single hole as too much oil flew out 2 holes!
Although I dont see any oil stains in the pics.....
I'll be getting those pic descriptions translated too as I wanna know what is being described.
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From what I can see, the sump is not like that of a car engine - ie, oil sits at the bottom and is drawn up via a pump to feed the moving components (wet sump). I would suggest that it is a dry sump type where oil is contained differently. This means that it is a dry sump type of set up which virtually eliminates oil starvation which you can get with a wet sump in certain conditions - ie high G force loadings. With a wet sump, oil could be 'forced' to one end of the sump under G force and with no oil available at the pick up, starvation resu;lts with inevitable damage to the engine.
Gary
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Yup , there is a few bits for those engines Lance . Should keep you busy for a spell . Looking forward on seeing how these turn out with the added bits .
Terri
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From what I can see, the sump is not like that of a car engine - ie, oil sits at the bottom and is drawn up via a pump to feed the moving components (wet sump). I would suggest that it is a dry sump type where oil is contained differently. This means that it is a dry sump type of set up which virtually eliminates oil starvation which you can get with a wet sump in certain conditions - ie high G force loadings. With a wet sump, oil could be 'forced' to one end of the sump under G force and with no oil available at the pick up, starvation resu;lts with inevitable damage to the engine.
Gary
These were very much wet-sump designs. The oil pump (& pickup) sits at the bottom of the sump just like in your family chevy. The oil reservoir tank is provided because of the enormous oil loss inherent with exposed valve train, etc.
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My last word here on the engines regarding the holes in the front of the lower crankcase, they are holes as its pretty obvious that the carb is fed air from the lower crankcase. There must be some serious sealing and baffle plates as I cant find any evidence of oil presence there.
Also there are lots of pics in other WNW kits ,as these engines were in a number of planes.
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My last word here on the engines regarding the holes in the front of the lower crankcase, they are holes as its pretty obvious that the carb is fed air from the lower crankcase.
Yes, that is correct. All these engines drew the air thru/past/over the sump to simulatenously warm the air (to prevent/ forestall icing) and to cool the oil. Old Man Porsche knew his sh!t. (the Benz IV & Merc D.III and many followers were all "inspired" by the A-D 6)
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Thanks, all, for the tremendous and informed response. I'm going with the "open holes" for the breather ports and have just added the sight glass to the right rear location on the sump portion of the engine. Perhaps I should have gone with just the single hole however, based on a photo forwarded by a Member in a PM where you can see the background on the far side of the sump it looks good to me. 8)
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance,
Awesome attention to the many details my old friend. As always your build threads show the highest levels of skill and craftsmanship. Looking forward to more!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Greg, old Buddy, nice to hear from you and Thank You for your very kind comments! :) I'm pecking away at the engines and hope to enter another update soon.
Cheers,
Lance
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Wow Lance!
Phenomenal looking build! I'm glad you've managed to use the wood grain template - it's always hard to know what you 'string baggers' will find useful!
Out of curiosity, what did you use for glue on the HGW harnesses? You really hit the nail on the head regarding how fiddly they are, but I much prefer them to the RB equivalents. (a fact I forgot when ordering a set for the bent-wing bird)
Cheers!
Matt
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Thanks Matt! The HGW Belts were assembled with Medium CA, I prefer to do most glue joints with it and work around it's fairly fast setting tendencies. (I like the RB grain stencils however like weathering I find you can easily over do it, less is better in this case.
Cheers,
Lance
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Looking great so far, and those Taurus parts both look fantastic, and tiny!
As regards to the labelling, I always thought the DIV (with out the a) was an earlier inline 8 cylinder engine somewhat derived from the DIII? Apparently it wasn't much of a success. I remember cursing Roden somewhat for not including them for the G.II option in their 1/72 Gotha G.II/III! (not that they can be seen anyway....)
Jeroen
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Jeroen,
Thanks for looking at her and for your welcome comments. I've not seen any references to the 8 cylinder theory you mention wrt the D.IV engine version however in my experience Wingnut Wings does their "homework" extremely well so the D.IVa versions for this Kit are no doubt correct. In the Albatros Publications Data File #51 Peter Grosz writes that the G.III version of the aircraft carried two D.IV engines of 220 HP, not 200 as stated elsewhere in references and that the D.IVa engines were chosen for the D.IV Aircraft due to failures that plagued the earlier D.IV engines. The aircraft I'm modelling here arrived in Canada in pieces post war and over the next 4 or 5 decades it's two D.IVa engines disappeared! The reconstruction has (incorrect) D.III's installed.
Cheers,
Lance
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Ha!! There I go again Justin, too deep in the forest to see the trees! I never thought of checking out Wiki, thanks for this.
Cheers,
Lance
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Thanks Matt! The HGW Belts were assembled with Medium CA, I prefer to do most glue joints with it and work around it's fairly fast setting tendencies. (I like the RB grain stencils however like weathering I find you can easily over do it, less is better in this case.
Cheers,
Lance
Thanks Lance. That's my go-to as well when not gluing kit plastic to kit plastic. I made the mistake of reading the RB belt instructions and following the direction to refrain from using CA. In retrospect some stiff belts would have been better for my mental health.
The directions recommended a glue stick... you know, because I have my grade three art supplies handy. I used Gator Glue applied with a toothpick.
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Here it is nearly a month since my last update! I started on the two engines and have managed to complete the top end of one with the Taurus Resin upgrades.
(https://i.imgur.com/iXEPfxS.jpg)
Here is the completed top detail:
(https://i.imgur.com/YvPP7Fy.jpg)
The Machro features dust bits and dog hair were removed after this photo!
(https://i.imgur.com/Pf8ce1v.jpg)
The second engine has the resin rocker box assembly attached and at that point I elected to take a break and went back to working on the main frame components.
(https://i.imgur.com/x4Tl2W5.jpg)
The three upper decking components for the crew area were plywood with some aluminum panels and doors. They were painted in wood and Alclad II Dull Aluminum, then given a coat of AK Interactive "Worn Effects" in preparation for the final finish which will be weathered to expose some of the base material. The center section of the lower wing was masked and had it's aluminum walk strips added with Alclad as well. At the same time the major components were given several coats of Tamiya Gloss White as a base coat for the Aviattic decals.
(https://i.imgur.com/3F6iJwZ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1trSKDS.jpg)
At this point the final color was sprayed onto the three upper panels and the molded plywood nose section of the fuselage. I elected to lighten the color recommended by the Instructions booklet for these parts. Tamiya XF-17 Sea Blue appeared stark black when tested so I mixed it with 50% XF-8 Flat Blue which resulted in the very dark but distinctly blue you see here. I'm much happier with that result and it matches my memory of the aircraft when I last saw it last September in Ottawa.
(https://i.imgur.com/iXCA2Ie.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/R6Ms7bR.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YNaSRHB.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/IT4ku5J.jpg)
At this point I completed the pre-shading process using Tamiya XF-78 Wooden Deck Tan, a little on the dark side however with the planned overspray of thinned black green as a filter to simulate the black green varnish applied as the final finish I'm hoping it gets toned down somewhat.
(https://i.imgur.com/PNkecgA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/wOa7viV.jpg)
I've now started the Night Lozenge decaling stage which I'll complete a further update on real soon. I'd like to complete that step before returning to the engine assemblies.
Cheers,
Lance
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Looks beautiful Lance. Lots of modeling fun, and am sure adult beverages consumed. All kidding aside, great looking bird.
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Good stuff!
Thanks for showing the engine work , it looks a little daunting...
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Excellent progress, everything is top quality.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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The engines are looking outstanding Lance. You have become the chipped and worn paint Master! Love where this one is going!
RAGIII
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Thanks All for your comments, much appreciated!
Krow, the engine additions are indeed an eye test. I find it ironic how Lucacz can crank these beautiful little gems out with ease and I struggle to just put them together!
Rick, it's my first time using the AK Interactive worn effects products and I have to say I'm impressed! Less effort then the hairspray technique but they are a touch fast, less is better!
Cheers,
Lance
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looking good Lance
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Beautiful work, as always. Those engines really look the part. I find it amusing that you and I both picked up AK's Chipping effects at the exact same time. Great stuff that works as advertised! I'm still surprised how much difference there is between the heavy chipping fluid and the scratches effect.
Keep up the inspiring work.
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Lance,
I absolutely love how well your chipping and scratching came out. The engine is equally impressive my old friend. Well Done!
Highest Regards ,
Gregory Jouette
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The chipping looks great. Looking forward to more!
Gaz
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Well worth waiting for this current update. You're doing great work, Lance! Congrats ;)
vB
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Thanks for all the supportive remarks Gents. Scrodes, the AK Interactive products certainly do live up to their claims, great find and I'm a fan.
I'm getting close to completing all of the upper surfaces decalling, hope to post another update shortly. So far, so good, but the touchy part of upper to lower joins is still looming ahead.
Cheers,
Lance
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That chipping and scratching looks really good Lance. The engine assemblies look very good too - in line with the rest of this model which is fast turning into a large gem!
Stephen.
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Thank you Stephen, it is the largest subject I've tackled in this scale and a bit intimidating at times! :o
Cheers,
Lance
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I've completed all of the upper surface lozenge with the exception of the Ailerons. The Aviattic product worked very well as usual and careful fitting eliminated the potential for disasters on the seams and joins, I'm pretty happy with the results. As mentioned earlier the pre-shading is a bit dark however I hope to tone everything down with the clear black green over spray which will hopefully filter out the contrast.
I completed the fuselage first and then moved on to the flying and control surfaces. The Model takes approximately 2 and 1/3 Sheets of Aviattic Upper 5 Color Lozenge, I'm estimating 2 sheets of the lower material will complete her.
(https://i.imgur.com/OyVRf4R.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2FbXqsc.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lk6AZ1d.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2s89d3O.jpg)
......... and last the completed fuselage. The upper panels /decks are "posed" and will be permanently installed later.
(https://i.imgur.com/OU1bkYH.jpg)
Now it's time to start cutting up the Lower Lozenge Sheets.
Cheers,
Lance
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Terrific work, Lance. The chipped paint and the preshading makes the different and turns your model into a stunner.
Bye,
Manni
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As wonderful as I expected coming from your bench, Lance. The chipping really adds so much to an overall perfect appearance.
Andreas
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Love it! Love the preshading on the lozenge.
Gaz
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Great looking ship Lance, this is turning out to be another of your artworks.
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Nice work Dr Lancenstein - Shes a monster!
Steve
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Thanks for all of your much appreciated comments Gents.
I dry fitted the lower wings after completing their upper lozenge panels just to get a preview of the final product ........... it's bloody enormous! That's the Wingnut Wings Camel tucked into overlapped echelon formation, half the span. Now the challenge is to get the lower surfaces covered and particularly the joins of upper to lower on the leading edges and tips.
(https://i.imgur.com/bW7yxsW.jpg)
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance,
Sorry to be so late getting to the party. This is one excellent build. Per your comments on Taurus engine aftermarket items via other means, you surely did a fine job on your two engines: well done! :)
Good luck as you progress towards the finish line with this build. And thanks for the tips I've picked up reading through your thread. More overseas orders in the future for me! 8)
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Gary,
Thanks for looking and for your generous comments. I only wish the engines were completely done, I'll be going back to them to do the plumbing and wiring parts when I get the lozenge done, and that will be later rather then sooner at this pace!
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance,
Sorry to be so late getting to the party. This is one excellent build. Per your comments on Taurus engine aftermarket items via other means, you surely did a fine job on your two engines: well done! :)
Good luck as you progress towards the finish line with this build. And thanks for the tips I've picked up reading through your thread. More overseas orders in the future for me! 8)
I can only echo Gary's comments, wonderful work
Ed
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Thanks Ed, means a lot coming from a Builder of your talents!
Cheers,
Lance
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Excellent work there Lance! You are creating a real gem there.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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I too am a bit late getting to this stage of the build, but; I have to say it is looking mighty good. I think the blue you used for the fuselage closely matches what we saw in Ottawa. It is only memory but it sure looks the part from my side of the screen. The weathering looks the part as well. I like the way it has turned out and don't think it is overly done. The Aviatic Lozenge is some nice stuff and must be very transparent as the preshading shows through quite vividly, your oversprays will tone that down and the colors as well. The engine thus far looks great and I am sure with some dogged determination and time the plumbing and wiring will all come together. Lookng forward to the next update. "Remember, we're all in this together."
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Two nicely worn aircraft!
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Dave, Gaz,
I very much appreciate and value your comments, Thanks!
Mark,
The blue is "growing" on me, a little light perhaps but a decent match to what we observed on in September. I'm not really trying to absolutely duplicate the restored aircraft as displayed but rather get it somewhere between that and as it was in service as described/documented in the various references. From a distance the aircraft on display appears almost completely black however up close the different finishes and lozenge detail pop out, this due I believe to the"black green" over spray on the lozenge and the very dark blue paint on the metal and wood panels. The photo of the original fabric in the Kit"s Instruction Booklet illustrates the "black-green" varnish effect very well.
Now it's back to more decal work, I'm starting to see Lozenge in my sleep!
Cheers,
Lance
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Hi Lance
I'm enjoying watching this one for sure. Wonderful work. Not sure if I'll ever have the courage to age a model to this extent but it looks very authentic and real. The kit detail is extraordinary and beautifully picked out and enhanced by your renditions of it.
Thanks,
Alistair
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Lovely work Lance!
The fabric now covering the Canadian AEG is a recent impression of what it replaced - the entire airframe was stripped and renovated. My decals don't attempt to replicate those but the regular 5 colour, doped over with dark blue (hence different interpretations for upper and lower surfaces). The intention - as with all my decals - is that the modeller adds glazes, washes, varnishes, weathering to achieve the desired effect and a series of "blue/green" mist coats will achieve what you are after.
I look forward to seeing it!
Regards
Richard
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I've finally completed the upper surfaces by applying a "Black-Green" filter as referred to in the Wingnut Wings Booklet. Before I forget thank you for your earlier comments Richard. I tried a test piece using a blue filter and determined the greenish variety looked to my eye more like the sample examined and photographed by Canadian Historical Researcher Alexander Comber and pictured in the Kit's Instruction booklet as well. I'm the first to admit that the sample has no doubt been altered by the effects of aging, it's 100 years old after all!
The filter I used was a very thin mixture of Tamiya X-20A Thinner with a few drops of their XF-27 Black-Green and a few more of their Semi Gloss Black. The wash was misted on in 3 sessions until I was happy with the effect. The photos, all in Macro Mode, show the underlying lozenge more clearly then the real thing. Overall I'm very happy with the results. The Model is slightly lighter then the actual restored aircraft as seen in the Museum however I wanted to ensure the Aviattic Lozenge pattern was still apparent. I'm extremely happy with the results of deciding to go with the Aviattic Decals and a filter in lieu of the Kit decals.
These two photos show the upper wing center section with the right side misted with the filter and the left in the original untouched Aviattic Night Lozenge, upper pattern, clear backing on gloss white wing. The first with just an all X-27 misting, the second with the S/G Black added to the filter.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZJGeYLs.jpg)
and the final version:
(https://i.imgur.com/Ent1RCW.jpg)
..... and here's a few of the fuselage:
(https://i.imgur.com/JY51OZx.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/F7SlyIz.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ULbwVng.jpg)
Next I hope to complete the undersides and then it will get a few coats of future to seal it and prepare for application of the markings. I should mention that I had to remove and replace the right forward side panel of lozenge as some creases that I hadn't noticed earlier become very obvious and ugly due to some color wearing off with all the handling. That went extremely well and "I heaved an enormous sigh of relief and forged on"!
It's a very slow Build however so far all's going well.
Cheers,
Lance
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Wow Lance,
Those decals are money well spent. The pattern is wonderfully subtle without being dull.
and to think I was going cross-eyed applying some Eduard canopy masks this afternoon. The downside of subtle surface detail it that the canopy frames are almost impossible to see.
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Well done Lance. The filter looks terrific!
RAGIII
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Justin, Matt, and Rick, many thanks for looking in and for your comments. I completed the lower surfaces this afternoon and in total have applied 3 X 10ml jars of the Black-Green filter ......... I guess I could have reduced that by mixing it less thin however I was very concerned to not overdo the effect. Most of those 30 ml's are drifting around the garage as the products of evaporation and drying. If SWMBO's car has a tinted green finish tomorrow I'll be moving to a tent on the lawn! :o
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance,
You might want a warm blanket or two if necessary . Outstanding job on your filters my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
PS: Congratulations on being named as our new moderator. I don't believe a better choice could have been made and you've more than earned it.
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Impressive work, Lance ;)
Keep sending out those waves of inspiration.
Cheers,
Bob V B :)
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Very impressive decalling, Lance. I cannot wait to see that AEG on its wheels. It will be a true masterpiece.
Andreas
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Those decals look cool!
Gaz
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Many thanks for your encouraging words Gents.
Greg, so far so good but I'll keep a couple of thick wooley blankets handy! ;)
Cheers,
Lance
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If you do have to move into a tent Lance it will have been worth it because that finish is just superb. I think that you were right to do it in stages (and tint your wife's car - will she really notice? Tell her it is the new fashion and will soon be all the rage......) as you could easily have overdone it. Better slow and get it right than fast and make horrible mistakes.
Stephen.
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Excellent, Lance!
Regards
Richard
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Thanks for commenting Stephen and Richard. I'm happy to report that the entire assembly is now sealed with two coats of Future and I'll be adding the markings next. Actually, in an effort to get back in line with Wingnut's Instruction booklet sequence I'm presently adding the three top deck sections to the fuselage and doing some touch ups as I go. I'll make a decision on whether to take a small break and return to the Clerget Camel or go back to the engines once the markings are on.
...... and before I forget, the concern regarding the finish on SWMBO's car proved of no concern; it was a bit mud covered from some earlier work done on our road and I suspect that saved the day, it was washed and proved "squeaky clean", so no mention of a concern heard! My tent and sleeping bag are back in the storage room.:) ;)
Cheers,
Lance
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Looking great Lance, glad to hear that you will not be using the tent. Looking forward to whatever modeling path you decide to take. ;D
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Thanks Juan, and yes, it's minus 21 C this morning, so I'm glad the tent was not required as well!! :o
Cheers,
Lance
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Hi Lance :)
Well that's a co-incidence, it's 21 C here this morning also! (at 0050 hrs)
Of course that's 21 with a plus ;D
Thoroughly enjoying following your build.
Absolutely Fabulous!
:)
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Thanks for commenting boggie. Given the slightly colder conditions here at least I don't have any grass that needs cutting this morning, so I'll just ease into my chair and work on this one some more! ;)
Cheers,
Lance
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Thanks for commenting boggie. Given the slightly colder conditions here at least I don't have any grass that needs cutting this morning, so I'll just ease into my chair and work on this one some more! ;)
Cheers,
Lance
Now that's what I call an outstanding executive decision! ;D
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Looks excellent, Lance! :)
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Your build is proceding beautifully. I like the outcome of decalling and finishing.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Thanks for all the encouragements, Gents. I'll try to post a few photos once the markings are completed.
Cheers,
Lance
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The 3 top decking components are permanently installed and the markings are on and sealed with a coat of Future. Here's 3 quick photos and now I definitely need to get back to those engines.
(https://i.imgur.com/YXxYADn.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ETwuzd8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/wQIyPFH.jpg)
As much as I'd like to switch my attention to the Alexander Clerget Camel I have in progress I'd like to get a bit more done on the engines for this one before I wander off!
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance, I don't know how I could have missed all of your updates, but I'm catching up now. Awesome modeling going on her, my friend! Very impressive!
Cheers,
Bud
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Looking sharp, with the markings on! The pre-shading shows through nicely, too :)
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Wow, that looks great!
Gaz
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Thanks for the additional encouragement Guys :) :)
I 'm hoping a final duller finish will add to the muted effect and bring this all together, at least for now it's all sealed. Once the final coat is on I'll get started on adding the rigging eyelets to the wings and tail components and get some weathering on the fabric surfaces.
while I pick away at those engines.
Cheers,
Lance
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Everything looks even more impressive with the Markings applied. Beautiful work all around!
RAGIII
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Looking better and better with each step....
I've been figuring out the problems with the Taurus set and more importantly , the kit parts , there are some hurdles there...
The work is ongoing on my Gotha thread.
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A very ominous looking machine. Great work!!
Steve
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Thanks for dropping in Rick and the "two Steves" and for your comments. Steve (Krow), the Taurus upgrades are right at the far edge of my abilities, much tinier then the blunt and arthritic fingers that are attempting to assemble them! Nice additions but hardly the peak of the modelling art with my inputs but I'll "get er done"! Presently I'm puzzling over the intricacies of the engine frame assemblies and cowlings as I want at least one power plant only partially cowled to expose the top end.
Time to get into the two "How to Build" books a little deeper methinks! More to follow......... :o
Cheers,
Lance
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...looking forward to it and we got snow this morning so a good reason to stay inside and model!!
Steve
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...looking forward to it and we got snow this morning so a good reason to stay inside and model!!
Steve
..... one of the very few advantages of living north of the snow belt! ;) ;D
Cheers,
Lance
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Just more good stuff, keep it coming !
Ed
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Gorgeous Lance. Simply stunning.
James
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The last weeks I had not really time for modeling, and more worse, not even time to follow such nice projects like this one!
Lance, the progress you made in the mean time is fantastic! Other said this already, but this will be a true master piece.
Please continue that way and have a lot of fun, it must be a great feeling in every single step to create such beauty 8)
Cheers,
Frank
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Thanks Ed and James; and Frank, what a nice compliment coming from a modeller whose work I truly admire, Thanks a bunch, and I'm truly humbled.
I've just completed another side of the second engine with the Taurus top valves , springs etc. speaking of humbling! The progress is anything but fast at this stage but at least it's still moving forward!
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance, I don't know how I could have missed all of your updates, but I'm catching up now. Awesome modeling going on her, my friend! Very impressive!
Cheers,
Bud
Same as Bud here. Great modelling results, Lance!
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Just checking in for the first time in a while, and your progress since my last visit is fantastic, Lance! Bravo.
Kev
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Thank you Prze! ........ and thank you as well Kev, I've strayed off Karim's Build a bit here and there however I'm still very impressed with the amount of great info and tips in the book!
Cheers,
Lance
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Just getting caught up with the AEG Lance: Very nice work, truly master crafstmanship on display here. The Filters have really set this apart as do the markings. I haven't touched plastic in a month, but;..........your work is inspiring. Looking forward to seeing the engines.
The new Hammond is taking a bunch of time, but the bench doth beckon.
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What they all said, Lance! Good luck with the engines as you progress with your build. I'm lucky: just had 1 x set of Taurus AM bits and bobs to sort out for the Mercedes! 8)
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Hopefully you can sort the engine and how to display it. A re-member here Michael Scarborough has done this with his AEG , exposing an engine , perhaps have a look at his work.
Look forward to an update...
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Mark, Gary, and Steve,
Thanks for looking and commenting. I've made zero progress since my last entry as I've just got back from a three day trip to deal with a family matter. All's more or less well and I'm looking forward to a little relaxation back at the model desk tomorrow. Just before leaving I went off on a tangent trying to add the plug wires to the plug wire "races" along the side......... I didn't like the results at all so replaced it (Part E-6) with a scratched brass version. It still needs a bit more finishing and then I'll post a few photos.
Cheers,
Lance
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It's been two weeks and I finally have more or less completed the engines. The first of the tasks was to replace the ignition wire conduits with a soldered brass tube version. I'm the first to admit that I've got a long way to go to match Frank's soldering results however after a nicely braised finger here's the end product with most of the lumpy bits on the unseen side. Just pretend this is a scene for "Mr. Bean takes up Micro Soldering"!
(https://i.imgur.com/3JlQf9S.jpg)
I wanted to try using mono line for the plug wires, it works but I won't do it again as it's a real test of manual dexterity and the results were not optimum. Before installing them I added the priming cups (Taurus) and left the valves for later
(https://i.imgur.com/AwUxwSH.jpg)
Once the conduit and wires were completed I added the valves to the priming cups.
(https://i.imgur.com/YwKgemq.jpg)
Heres some shots of the end result on the port engine which will be left open with only the lower nacelle installed, all are "posed" on the mounts. The radiators were also installed.
(https://i.imgur.com/P2AxwwO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/AowpHRw.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vrztPv3.jpg)
The Macro Photo shows I need a wee touch up on the decompression handle......
The starboard engine details were kept to the top end only as it will be fully cowled and everything from the two manifolds down will not be visible.
(https://i.imgur.com/S0F73lx.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/pg6btE4.jpg)
Next I'll start on the landing gear assemblies however I may take a break and go back to a little more work on the Clerget Camel for a change of pace!
Cheers,
Lance
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Wow Lance, they are simply gorgeous. Well worth the effort you are taking.
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WOW Lance! The soldered Pipes and plug wires are awesome! Everything in the update is gorgeous!
RAGIII
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WOW Lance! The soldered Pipes and plug wires are awesome! Everything in the update is gorgeous!
RAGIII
Once again, my Amigo and I are in complete agreement!
Cheers,
Bud
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Very nice.
Are those plug wires in a 'live' state?
ie: Still flexible?
I've been looking at a dozen threads of engine work ,concentrating on rockers and magnetos.
Lots of ways to do things.
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Wow, the engine looks great! Your extra efforts have really paid off.
Gaz
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Thanks for your much appreciated comments Guys.
Steve, if you mean does the fishing string still have it's "memory" it's a yes. Every time I look at it it's coiled a different way, which is why I won't be trying this little trick a second time! I'll live with it as is though..........
Cheers,
Lance
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Wonderful work on the engine!
Giuseppe
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Thank you Giuseppe, frankly it's nice to have them basically complete and I'm looking forward to getting on with the rest of the Build. :)
Cheers,
Lance
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Hi Lance, I'm just catching up a bit here - your ambitious build is really taking shape. I'm so impressed with the lozenge scheme and battered finish on the paintwork. After seeing this one in Ottawa I can understand why you want to build it! Ran into a similar situation when we saw British Mk IV tank "Deborah" recently near Cambrai - picked up the Takom model and am again diverted from that Bristol Fighter build I started a year ago...
Cheers,
Gary
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Gary,
You've been very quiet of late, how was your trip to Europe? Sounds like it rekindled your passion for heavy iron land subjects. I hope I get to see the Mk. IV in Edmonton in June at the Regional Contest and we can catch up on the year's highlights.
It's been a year of battered paint work alright. Between this Build and MacLaren's LeRhone Camel I'm keeping the hairspray and chipping compound producers busy!
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance,
I've found that the Modelkasten rigging line works fairly well for spark plug leads. I find it easier to work with than wire, and it takes paint well.
You have accomplished some incredible work on this kit to date. I have a bad tendency to just look at all the posts and not comment on builds, but I will try to get better in the future.
Bill
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Thanks for your comment Bill, Modelkasten was my back up plan but I only had the thinner of the two versions and thought it might be too fine. I'll have to order the thicker version and give it a try.
Cheers,
Lance
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Been catching up Lance - please would you now be kind enough to post some photos of the engine of your model? If you were to put fuel and oil into that one it would start up and turn the propellor!
Stephen.
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Great work Lance. When I do get to the bench its motors I find that bog me down. You have persevered and created great looking engines.
Steve
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Thanks Stephen. I appreciate your comment as I always struggle with adding too much wear & tear, grime etc and worry about over doing it. My goal is always to produce a used and "real" look; I truly appreciate a bright clean build however, and believe it's ultimately harder to do well.
As for the motors, Steve, I agree, and this time was no exception.
Cheers,
Lance
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With the exception of a few touch ups and adding the Oil Tank filler spouts I believe I can call the engines done. The right or starboard engine is fully enclosed in the nacelle with all cowling panels in place.
(https://i.imgur.com/PX9ymMS.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YJpB9l3.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/kR7x7dN.jpg)
The left side (Port) engine has only the bottom of the nacelle installed, a configuration not included in the Kit options which required some modifications to the supporting strut attachments and mounting of the inner frame structure. These aircraft were flown with some or even all panels of the nacelles removed in numerous combinations.
(https://i.imgur.com/HQcqDRC.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GYiPcIw.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YIxSZAo.jpg)
...... and last the oil tank (sans filler pipe) on the Port Engine:
(https://i.imgur.com/QHgExBh.jpg)
The next steps in the Kit Instructions call for completion of the tailplane and the landing gear however I plan to complete all the drilling and eyelets for the rigging prior to that. I think I'll keep plugging away at this in lieu of a break on the Clerget Camel for a bit longer as the "mojo" is still strong.
Cheers,
Lance
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Lovely!
And a big relief to get the engines done I bet!
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Lovely!
And a big relief to get the engines done I bet!
..... I see you've been there too! Thanks Steve.
Cheers,
Lance
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Fabulous looking engines!
Gaz
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Excellent engine and frame work Lance. This one is looking Fantastic to say the least!
RAGIII
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Its AAALIVE!!!!!!! The monster continues to get bigger. Great work!!!!
Steve
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Thanks for looking in Guys, and for your very much appreciated positive comments. More to follow real soon ..........
Cheers,
Lance
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Lovely!
And a big relief to get the engines done I bet!
..... I see you've been there too! Thanks Steve.
Cheers,
Lance
lol
Not yet!
But I am working in that direction, and you will be able to add some details to your engine when I get started . The tachometer cable is one right off the bat...oh, and you thought you were done!
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That is superb modelling Lance. I can really hear those engines revving.....
Looking forward to more.
Stephen.
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Thanks Gents, much appreciated and Krow, I'll be watching your Gotha BLog for details I can't break out of the refs! ;)
Cheers,
Lance
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Awesome Lance, just breathtaking, what you did. Very nice engines!
Andreas
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Stunning work Lance. That is world class modelling!
cheers
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Andreas and Dave,
Thanks very much for looking her over and for your too kind but much appreciated words. I've been slowly working at the landing gear, cabanes, those pesky prop guards and some of the rigging drilling in between bouts of yard work. It's amazing what a mess you discover where all the snow used to be ....... :o
Cheers,
Lance
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Those engines are amazing. An inspiration for me to keep going on my single and less complex - phew - engine on the LVG.
Cheers
Alistair
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Thanks Alistair, i appreciate your looking in on the Build and your very kind comment!
Cheers,
Lance
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Thanks Justin, I wondered about that and used very little CA to attach it, hopefully to allow for removal and adjustment later if required.
Cheers,
Lance
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Oh Lance, this is a sooo lovely build, I'm spechless.
Cheers,
Frank
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Thank you for commenting Frank, coming from you such a statement is an exceptional compliment!
Cheers,
Lance
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Finally some fairly significant progress made on this Build. I managed to get the landing gear and the external bomb load completed about a week ago. The gear went on very nicely, it's strong and well fitted. Once in place the rigging was added using Chameleon 2 lb. fishing mono. (.005 inch/0.12mm) The photos were taken after the gear and bombs were installed.
(https://i.imgur.com/KNzM3Jz.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/IHcNws3.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qyE6zfv.jpg)
The Kit supplies armament for numerous combinations of external bombs. I chose Option IV with 2 X 100Kg PuW Bombs and 4 X 50Kg PuW's. I had already included 12 X 12.5 Kg Bombs internally. That's a total bomb load of 550 Kg's / 1250 pounds.
(https://i.imgur.com/FN6WFOI.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2TUocBe.jpg)
The bomb retension straps were made from Tamiya tape for curves and painted with enamel.
(https://i.imgur.com/sIBPWnG.jpg)
At this point I elected to install the engines. The first step was to attach the support struts which had to be carefully aligned with the engines dry mounted. Immediately prior the two lines (I assume vacuum or pitot pressure lines) had to be installed on the starboard wing root.
(https://i.imgur.com/PAENvlk.jpg)
With that completed using stretched sprue the four strut assemblies were installed. I only broke two at this stage!
(https://i.imgur.com/qyE6zfv.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/IBoQT2w.jpg)
I've since got both engines installed (Huge sigh of relief here!) and will get some photos up here real soon.
My intent to take a break by returning to my Clerget Camel Build has been overcome by a determination to complete this Build in time for the Western Canadian Region Contest in 3 weeks; hopefully that goal is attainable! :)
Cheers,
Lance
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Amazing looking work, Lance! Really hope you can get it done for the show.
Gaz
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Wow! I really like WnW‘s AEG kit, but it's a bit to expensive for me. Maybe some fine day..?!
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(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/creepypasta/images/1/17/Eyecandy.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120217191057)
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This one looks better with every post! I have to mention the worn areas again because they also look better every time I look at them. Brilliant work all around Lance!
RAGIII
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Yes, it’s on its wheels. That’s always a special moment for me, the first time a model really shows its „face“. And I absolutely love what I see here. Very nice so far!!!
Andreas
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Many thanks for your much appreciated comments Gents. An expensive Kit it is however this one came at a great price in the "Wear House Damaged" sale last year. Given the extended Build time I feel I got my $ worth and more! :) :) :)
Cheers,
Lance
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This one looks better with every post! I have to mention the worn areas again because they also look better every time I look at them. Brilliant work all around Lance!
RAGIII
Lance, a big ditto to my Amigos' comments!!
Ed
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Stunning work. I'd swear I was looking at the full size thing when I see those bombs.
Cheers,
Alistair
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Lovely job Lance!
Guy
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Ed, Alistair, and Guy,
I very much appreciate and value your comments. Unfortunately it's a beautiful day here and the "Good Wife" has declared a bit of a gardening and clean up day and issued a deadline for work to commence outside; I do hope to get some photos into a short update once that square has been at least partially filled on the activities board! :-\
Cheers,
Lance
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The eternal craftsman you are, Lance...beautiful work as always....hell, I'd love to see what you did in the garden! -M
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Thank you Doug, I much value your endorsement! As for the garden, like most domestic chores it started with a trip to the local shopping center, where I was fleeced of the value of several Wingnut Wings kits for some heavy bags of dirt and a cart full of bedding plants ......... just what I had in mind for today.......... NOT! :-\
Cheers,
Lance
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Catching up (again) Lance. I have asked before that you show us photos of your model and not of the machine in the museum....... If it were not for the location slots in the wing in one of the photos I could easily have believed that you had substituted the real thing!
Good to hear that you are active in the garden too: too much sitting around is not good for your health. But going to the garden center is not good for the hip-pocket nerve either!
I am certain that if you can get this to the show in three weeks you will win a medal.
Stephen.
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Thank you Stephen, in truth a couple more of these Kits on the shelf wouldn't change much as I've got a fair stash built up and need to do more building and less buying! ::)
Cheers,
Lance
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Like several other Builders here and those who authored the "How to Build" books I have I deemed the horizontal rails on the prop guard screens over scale; they were removed and redone with stretched sprue.
(https://i.imgur.com/ajxcdGz.jpg)
Here's a comparison and the finished product .........
(https://i.imgur.com/1lza7ew.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tWtsn53.jpg)
Once the engine support struts were in place the rigging had to be routed while access was reasonable. You can see where, once the engines were installed there were several bent struts apparent, due no doubt to alignment errors by the Builder! They were cut with a fine razor saw, a tiny amount of stock removed, and then re-glued with CA. Though not perfect I am happy with the results.
(https://i.imgur.com/PNO1JSp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mK3S7kN.jpg)
With that done the rigging was tightened up and trimmed and this phase is now more or less complete. Its a tremendous relief to have the engines installed.
(https://i.imgur.com/nk77zWQ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/4QMLLay.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BZk28An.jpg)
Next the fuel lines and valves running along the struts and down the rear nacelle supports will be added and the stop cocks added to the sump drain lines already in place. Hopefully this project will start to progress at a faster rate now.
Cheers, :)
Lance
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Holy Cow, Lance! Those are some mad skills on display. I've only seen that beast once in the flesh and yours looks just like it. Great weathering too.
I made my little prop guards using thin brass with EZ-line for the rungs. Worked out slick in 1/72nd. Your job has much more finesse than the kit. Rock and roll!!!
Dan
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Thanks Dan,
I can't even begin to imagine tackling this subject in 1:72 Scale, good grief! :o
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance,
YOur new prop guards look better than the original. And those engines... This is just a great project you're bringing together.
Gaz
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Excellent work and wonderful photography 8)
Gary
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Lance,
You consistently put out an above standard Model. What you are doing with this one with corrections, added details, painting and weathering techniques is just a step above your usual incredible!
RAGIII
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Nice work Lance, you will soon have the AEG complete, keep going.
Dave
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Like all the others said: really great!
Andreas
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Thanks all, very much appreciated! Last night I was dry fitting the wings and discovered one panel was starkly lighter then all the others, I must have missed a coat or two of the black/green overspray so now, a step backwards, I'll have to mask the cross and shoot a coat or two of the filter to get it matched. Hopefully it will accept the filter over the Future sealer coat I'd put on. The biggest obstacle to the Build thus far is the Builder!! ::)
Cheers,
Lance
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Pure modeling perfection, Lance! Like Stephen, I have my doubts as to the legitimacy of your photos. I'm thinking you may be trying to pull the wool over our eyes.
Cheers,
Bud
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Veeeeery good work, Lance. Perfect build, grat details and an outstanding paintjob/weathering.
Bye,
Manni
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I like these little details. Well done, Lance ;)
vB
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Bud, Manni, and von Buckle,
Thanks for looking and for your comments. The touch up on the "light" wing section worked beautifully and I've completed the addition of the missing fuel and vent lines. I'll try to post a few photos of the latter later today.
Cheers,
Lance
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Terrific work on the model, Lance. I will certainly use this build log as a reference whenever I start my AEG G.IV (Early) that I bought in the warehouse damage sale.
Bill
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Thanks for that Bill. I got mine at the same sale and although I initially thought the "damage" was limited to the box I later discovered that several really delicate parts were broken. They were easily repaired and the price remained a really good bargain!
Here's a few quick photos of the latest work. The fuel and vent lines running along the engine pod support struts and the wing attachment struts were added using 0.015 inch lead wire and lead shrink seal material for the straps. The valves on the latter and on the sump drain cocks below the nacelles are Aviattic's Mercedes Priming Cup valves.
(https://i.imgur.com/5hRNn1j.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/yJxrEcC.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/DvIfReF.jpg)
Unfortunately some yard work awaits me today, I'd rather spend some time getting started on carving the props for this beast however my Landlord/SWMBO/Good Wife would adamantly disagree with that approach to the day's tasks! I'll do a bunch of lawn cutting and live to model again tomorrow! :(
Cheers,
Lance
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Some really great detailing, Lance. I'd have never thought of some of them.
Gaz
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I missed getting back to this, sorry for the slow reply Gaz. It is amazing how so many details appear and need to be added, and I'm sure I miss more then I catch!
Cheers,
Lance
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Another small update to add to this Build Log, this project should start to flow a little faster from this point on.
I took a break from the basic kit and put in a few sessions carving the props, in this case two Wolff pattern props in eight layer laminates. I used my standard approach laminating my own stock using thin veneers. I used very light and straight grained pine and a dark red teak stock.
(https://i.imgur.com/P3RSZMw.jpg)
The blanks were hand carved to profile shape, then tapered longitudinally, the "pitch" carved, and completed with successively finer grades of sand paper to shape.
I was quite pleased to complete both props on the first attempt without requiring a start over on the spare blanks, which are now available for a future project.
(https://i.imgur.com/Iy72Ska.jpg)
......... and here's the finished products. The hubs are from the Taurus Camel Prop Hubs resin set.
(https://i.imgur.com/dsicww2.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/98KUNmR.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9KWPHXT.jpg)
...... and finally a shot of one posed on the model.
(https://i.imgur.com/vvsoHq9.jpg)
I've also added the engine control rods to the model, the Kit versions have been replaced by brass tube as the former were bent and broken on the sprue.
(https://i.imgur.com/FxN6icI.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/S4u4XrS.jpg)
Last, I've drilled and installed all of the rigging attachment eyelets and will now concentrate on getting the rigging lines attached to the upper wing in preparation for the final assembly and rigging. I'll be installing some of the miscellaneous smaller parts like the wind screens, radiator shutter control rods and the bomb sight etc first. It's starting to move along at a much better pace now.
Cheers,
Lance
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Awesome work on the props, Lance! They're perfect!
Cheers,
Bud
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Awesome work on the props, Lance! They're perfect!
Cheers,
Bud
I have to agree with my Amigo! I will add that the added lines and other details continue to make this a superb build.
RAGIII
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Bud, Rick,
Thanks for your most welcome comments, they are much appreciated. :)
Cheers,
Lance
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Wow Lance, your updates and work are spectacular. I love the direction you are taking.
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Juan,
Many thanks, I'm not sure about spectacular however I do really appreciate your very kind compliments!
Cheers,
Lance
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Wow Lance, these props look simply fantastic! I really love working with veneer and carving my own props and I am totally blown away by the finish you achieved. Can you tell me with what kind of clear coat or laquer you worked over the wood?
Best regards
Andreas
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Andreas,
Thanks for looking in and for your generous comment. I used a dark oak penetrating stain followed by four coats of this Polyuretane clear varnish:
(https://i.imgur.com/CDSAay9.jpg)
Next the decals, an overcoat of Future, and finally a coat of this Vallejo product to give it a semi dull finish. I used the Vallejo because my can of Minwax is starting to thicken with age and I ended up with a very glossy finish. Time for a new can!
(https://i.imgur.com/EZNvLVe.jpg)
Cheers,
Lance
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Those props are just awesome... I mean AWESOME!!
Gaz
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Thanks Gaz, they do grow on you and I enjoy the change from working on the plastic parts of the Build. As time consuming as they are I feel they are well worth the effort.
Cheers,
Lance
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Do you use a power sander to get the rough shape, or do you do all carving and sanding of your props by hand? I read your tutorial some time back, and I thought you stated you used a sander to get the rough shape, but I thought I had seen another post where you stated you did everything by hand now. I've got a handmade prop ordered from Proper Plane that I am going to use as a pattern for coloring the plastic props with watercolor pencils. If I don't have success with that method, I might just get some veneer and try my hand at carving some. Before I do that, I know that I need to go buy LOTS of band aids and make sure I've got plenty of CA glue to seal up the cuts.
Bill
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Bill,
Your memory is correct. My first efforts at carving my own props I used a small Oscillating Drum Sander for the initial rough forming and followed up with a standard mini "drum" sander on the Dremel tool. Although faster this method caused many set backs when too much material got removed and I had to start over again with a new work piece. I've slowly evolved to doing everything by hand now and have nearly 100% successful results presently. In short, the process takes a little longer but is much easier to control. I still haven't perfected the forming of the portion close to the hub and use the Dremel as described to touch up the delicate recessed curved areas there on some. Give it a try, it's easier then it looks and as I always say, "what looks more like wood then wood"?! ;)
Cheers,
Lance
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Man ALIVE!
Those props are superb!
Well done, Lance.
You're like a fine wine - you get better with age :D
Cheers,
vB
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Thanks von Buckle Maker! If your comment on wine was correct I'd be near perfect, age is becoming a very sensitive topic here about these days! I'm still pre-rigging, and with the number of buckles I'm dropping and losing there will be another order in the very near future!
Cheers,
Lance
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A dark oak stain? Thanks Lance, I will definitely give that a try on my next prop!
Andreas
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A dark oak stain? Thanks Lance, I will definitely give that a try on my next prop!
Andreas
Andreas,
If you can source the same brand it's their "Golden Oak".
Cheers,
Lance
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Made a bit more progress on this, starting with the upper wing center section and gravity fuel tank. The overhead gauges and fuel lines were added:
(https://i.imgur.com/Bfm16fe.jpg)
The center section was then added to the cabanes using 5 Minute Epoxy to allow for some adjustment time. You can see I got a slight bend in one of the rear "wishbone" struts that supports the center section but I've decided to not tempt fate and just live with it. ???
(https://i.imgur.com/MEfdJiJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mvabndc.jpg)
The rigging for that portion was then completed; it was a bit of a test to get at the eyelets around the fuel tank.
(https://i.imgur.com/k2dg9HH.jpg)
Next the lower wings were added, the jig provided a nice way to ensure the proper and even dihedral resulted on the wings.
(https://i.imgur.com/g8wzRrn.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Hlp2qw1.jpg)
The lower wings had been pre-rigged so now I'll be installing the interplane struts and upper wing panels followed by the main rigging. I can see the completed benchmark not too far in the distance now!
Cheers,
Lance
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Wow. Great progress, Lance. Threads like yours make me thinking more and more about starting on mine...
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You're on FIRE, Lance :o
Excellent work.
vB
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Bob v, Prze,
Many thanks for your comments. :) Yes, she is starting to move along nicely now.
Cheers,
Lance
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Geeeez, Lance! What a great model. I love the work you are doing on this. Just amazing!
Dan
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Thank you Dan for looking in and for the very nice comments! I'm working away at the second set of interplane struts, so far so good. I'm off to the annual Regional Contest in 3 days and hope to have her ready to take along and enter, it's going to be close!
Cheers,
Lance
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Extraordinary - an amazing model! The fuel tank is a work of art in itself.
I suddenly feel the need for a wing jig...
Cheers
Alistair
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Fantastic work Lance as always! I hope you make your contest deadline as this one is a Winner!!
RAGIII
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Alistair, Rick,
As always thanks! The rigging is next now that I've got the upper wing panels permanently installed. Onto the "Magic third Hand".........
(https://i.imgur.com/PTeQRmH.jpg)
......... and here we go! :) :) :)
(https://i.imgur.com/yCyhzto.jpg)
Cheers,
Lance
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From the looks of things the next update should be of the completed Model ;D
RAGIII
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Close Rick, but there's about a dozen little bits to be stuck on after the rigging; I thought I'd try to only do them once! :-\ ;)
Cheers,
Lance
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Looks great!!....and huge!!
Steve
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Thanks Steve, it is bloody enormous in my experience! I had to rush out to the local "Wally Mart" yesterday to get a big plastic tote to cart it off to the show in Edmonton this weekend, my standard one I usually use doesn't even come close and I'm still trying to figure out where it can be displayed here as both my cabinets are too small! SWMBO has registered a firm veto on moving to a bigger place ........ :o :o :o
Cheers,
Lance
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Wow, Lance! Not sure I wanna put a biplane upside down.
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Breathtaking work Lance! A really spectacular model which looks like a real competition winner. You are a brave man to flip a big biplane upside down on the work stand. I would be too nervous to do that but it looks terrific. Make sure you send photos of the finished model to Wingnuts for their customer models pages. Outstanding work!
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Wow, Lance! Not sure I wanna put a biplane upside down.
The "Magic Third Hand" in action Gaz, one of my favorite tools and a great help with the rigging process. I must admit this model is about as large as you'd want to be twisting around like this ...........
Cheers,
Lance
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Dave,
Many Thanks for your very supportive comments! (I was typing over your post when it arrived) I'm off to the annual Regional Contest in about 6 hours, a three hour drive so it will be a long couple of days. I've still to pack the AEG and a Camel for the journey, always a tense time until the models are back home safely!
Cheers,
Lance
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Catching up again Lance and from your last post you will only see this when you return with your award for the best in show for the AEG! That is a superb model in every way - and an equally superb build log.
Stephen.
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Wow, Lance! Not sure I wanna put a biplane upside down.
The "Magic Third Hand" in action Gaz, one of my favorite tools and a great help with the rigging process. I must admit this model is about as large as you'd want to be twisting around like this ...........
Cheers,
Lance
Lance, Mate... I hafta know: What cement or glue did you use to attach the struts? And did you pin them?
Thank you,
Gaz
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Good Luck in the Contest and in the Transportation !
RAGIII
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Good luck Lance!
Others might know but what is "the third hand"?
Cheers,
Alistair
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What a fantastic build over all, Lance. I am deeply impressed by the way you managed to glue in all the struts and by your choice of colors and shades.
Andreas
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Only just seen this thread, fabulous work Lance. This will be very impressive when finished.
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Catching up again Lance and from your last post you will only see this when you return with your award for the best in show for the AEG! That is a superb model in every way - and an equally superb build log.
Stephen.
Many Thanks Stephen!
Cheers,
Lance
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Catching up again Lance and from your last post you will only see this when you return with your award for the best in show for the AEG! That is a superb model in every way - and an equally superb build log.
Stephen.
Stephen,
I got back from the Show several hours ago and, thankfully, no damage done in transit, the "Beast" is miraculously safe in the cabinet. Despite my whining about it being too large to fit the cabinet space available I discovered that I had at least 1/8 of an inch clearance! I'll do some photos for the Completed Models section in the next few days, the model garnered a Gold Award in Class and a Special Award for "Best WWI Aircraft in Show". More details to follow and I hope to contribute a brief report on the Show as well.
Cheers,
Lance
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Great progress, it's almost completed and is a real beauty. And a huge one.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Congratulations Lance!!! Worth the packing and the drive for those two awards!
Alistair
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Congrats Lance on the well deserved awards! Glad to hear it fits in the display case. I am looking forward to seeing the completed model photos.
RAGIII
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Wow, Lance! Not sure I wanna put a biplane upside down.
The "Magic Third Hand" in action Gaz, one of my favorite tools and a great help with the rigging process. I must admit this model is about as large as you'd want to be twisting around like this ...........
Cheers,
Lance
Lance, Mate... I hafta know: What cement or glue did you use to attach the struts? And did you pin them?
Thank you,
Gaz
Gaz,
For the lower strut fittings I used I used a "5 Minute Epoxy" sold under the name "Lepage Speed Set Epoxy" here in Canada. It gives plenty of time for adjustment as opposed to the CA I normally use. It's the common two part format, mix and apply and starts to set in approximately five minutes. Pinning was not required. The top fittings were done with extra thin CA.
Cheers,
Lance
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What a fantastic build over all, Lance. I am deeply impressed by the way you managed to glue in all the struts and by your choice of colors and shades.
Andreas
Andreas,
Thank you! The interplane and cabane struts were a very simple task due to the Kit's superb engineering; they aligned very well when inserted and glued into the lower wing and fuselage (for the cabanes) with the upper wing dry fitted on the struts for final alignment. Once the bottoms were dry I "wicked" extra thin CA on the tops of the struts and the job was complete.
Cheers,
Lance
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Good luck Lance!
Others might know but what is "the third hand"?
Cheers,
Alistair
Alistair,
This link may be dated however the product is well described in the video here:
https://www.facebook.com/Kronos-Designs-1556299394599528/?fref=ts
I'm not certain it's still available and it's a bit pricey now however it is an OUTSTANDING addition to your Bench, I would be lost without it when it comes to rigging for example. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a second one to have in the event mine breaks down. I got in touch with the dealer and ordered by phone on the link phone number provided. Please let me know how it works out if you pursue it.
Cheers,
Lance
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Fantastic build Lance. Congrats on a well deserved award also. Wish I could have gotten down there for the show.
James
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Congratulations on the awards Lance. Sorry I only predicted ne...should have known better!
Stephen.
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Excellent work Lance! This has been a delight to follow. Glad it fits in the cabinet!
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James,
Wish you could have made it as well, thanks for your comments. Ian, Stephen, thanks for your very nice comments as well, they are very much appreciated!
Cheers,
Lance
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I just finished a Completed Models with photos Post on this subject.
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=9640.0
Cheers,
Lance