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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => What's New => Topic started by: macsporran on February 23, 2023, 07:27:20 PM
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On their facebook page Models for Less in the UK have the following announcement
"Roden 1/32 ROD635 Sopwith 11/2 Strutter £45.99
MJR Price £40.85 GBP inc UK Evri - TH - Due End March/Apr'23"
with attached artwork.
Seems an absolute bargain to me. I'll have a few - although presumably there'll be single-seat. two-seat and French versions etc to follow in the pipeline.
Let's hope the decals are good this time.
Sandy
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Interesting, yes very interesting
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I'm tickled for the large scale crowd!
Warren
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Woo hoo! ;D
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Not my scale so I won't buy one but I will absolutely enjoy watching you guys build these, especially if there is a Comic Night Fighter version to follow.
Alan
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I am sure they will do as many versions as possible a la Nieuport series.
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That’s great news!
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Outstanding news! I predict a lot of very happy people with this announcement.
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Another good reason for me to Buy Ukranian! :)
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Oh, Yes! Great news....
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Good news Sandy! I think this will prove to be very popular.
Richie
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Hi Sandy,
This model was due for release mid-2022 with the Avro 504 later.
Here's the forum post by Dave.
Mike
Roden have just advised me that they are proceeding with development of two more 1/32 scale WW1 kits for 2022.
The Spad XIII Late will be released first but Vladimir says the Sopwith One and a Half Strutter is now definitely on the production list for a mid-2022 release and they confirm a 1/32 scale Avro 504 will be released toward the end of the year.
Vladimir says Roden is persevering with its re-launched WW1 line, despite sales of the Spad XIII Early falling short of their hopes.
Roden re-launched its WW1 production line after a detailed Forum poll identified the wanted kits.
The message here is clear folks- if we want Roden and the other manufacturers to deliver more plastic goodness we need to be supporting them as much as possible.
Large scale WW1 aircraft still have a future thanks to Roden, Copper State and Lukgraph leading the field and a new Aviattic kit in development too. There's still plenty of wind under the wings for our hobby!
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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1/32 AVRO 504?!!! :D Be still my beating heart!!
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Hi Sandy,
This model was due for release mid-2022 with the Avro 504 later.
Here's the forum post by Dave.
I don't understand why you're quoting this old post, Mike?
Most of us were excited to read Dave's news at the time but had heard nothing since and, with world events etc, the release date had elapsed.
I was delighted to learn on FB this week that MJR were taking pre-orders and thought it worth sharing news of costs, boxart and updated availability with our friends here.
If/when any of us get news of the forthcoming 504 I hope they'll similarly post an update.
Sandy
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Hi Sandy,
I quoted the older post from Dave as there may be forum members who may not have seen that post and are unaware of the projected release and also the Avro 504.
Rob's previous post is a case in point as he seems to have been unaware of the 504.
Your initial post made no mention of the original post from Dave, the events since or the possibility of a 504.
To some it may have read like brand new information from Roden, which it's not.
Forums are for sharing information to like minded people.
That's why I quoted Dave's older post,
Mike
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Hey Sandy, don't think Mike posted it as a "This is old news" statement but thanks for the update and I will be watching for the Sopwith here.
Steve
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What I wonder about is the supposed box art?
I can’t be the only one who has spotted that this is identical to the 1/48 version.
I can understand that there might be a significant cost saving in simply ‘re-scaling’ the old kit, but I would like
to think that there will be a new selection of markings. Having said that I suppose anything in 1/32 is very welcome.
David
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What I wonder about is the supposed box art?
I can’t be the only one who has spotted that this is identical to the 1/48 version.
I can understand that there might be a significant cost saving in simply ‘re-scaling’ the old kit, but I would like
to think that there will be a new selection of markings. Having said that I suppose anything in 1/32 is very welcome.
David
Valery Grygorenko, the artist who did the boxart for Roden, died in a Russian attack on Kiev last year. Might be a reason they use the old Sopwith Strutter boxart here again.
Andreas
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Jadlam are selling the kit for just under £44 post free. I hadn't seen that Models for less were doing it for almost 10% less than that but Bachmann are listing it at about £70 so it's an incredibly good deal from 2 suppliers. No doubt Roden will release it in French markings given how many were manufactured in France and I am sure that Roden are doing the single seater as well but it's great news. Now we need some good aftermarket decals. And this is where we will sorely miss Rowan Broadbent, ah well.
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Hi all,
Strange that the box art shows the main aircraft, 9407 and the others being flown as single seater's.
Photographs of this actual aircraft show it operated as a two seater.
This aircraft served with No.3 Wing, RNAS from May 1916 until April 1917.
It was struck off charge in June 1917,
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/strutter/snap2.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/strutter/snap3.jpg)
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Is that a natural metal cowl? It seems a similar colour to the white of the roundel in that photo.
Simon
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Is that a natural metal cowl? It seems a similar colour to the white of the roundel in that photo.
Simon
Hi Simon,
The Windsock Data File No.34 states that the engine cowl on this particular aircraft was 'natural metal finish',
Mike
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Many years ago I built that model in 72nd scale from Rodens predecessor Toko kit. It will be truly great to do it again in the larger scale.
(https://i.ibb.co/mzsvRw3/strut-01.jpg)
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;D So that would make it a “1/48 Strutter” (1&1/2 divided by 72)
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Is that a natural metal cowl? It seems a similar colour to the white of the roundel in that photo.
Simon
Hi Simon,
The Windsock Data File No.34 states that the engine cowl on this particular aircraft was 'natural metal finish',
Mike
Thank you Mike. I have both data files - I’ll have to read them again but the painting guide for the new kit appears to suggest it’s grey so that will catch a few people out!
Simon
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Is that a natural metal cowl? It seems a similar colour to the white of the roundel in that photo.
Simon
Hi Simon,
The Windsock Data File No.34 states that the engine cowl on this particular aircraft was 'natural metal finish',
Mike
Data file No.34, page 34,
Mike
Thank you Mike. I have both data files - I’ll have to read them again but the painting guide for the new kit appears to suggest it’s grey so that will catch a few people out!
Simon
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I was excited to see the Roden boxart as it depicts exactly the Strutter I made back in the 90s from a 1/48 Tom's vacform. Like others I was surprised to see a lone aviator depicted - Collishaw - as I had his autobiography 'Air Command' at the time and he detailed the 1916 Oberndorf raid with no mention of flying solo.
Sandy
Back in the day, I put the following post on the old WWI List
Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter - No3 Wing RNAS, Luxeil 1916
9407, flown by FltSubLt Raymond Collishaw at time of the Oberndorf raid.
The kit is a vacform from Tom's Modelworks with excellent surface detail. You get both single and two-seater fuselages and I opted for the single seater, cutting out the rear position as it was crisper. The lower center section / wing panel joints require a lot of work but with wire spars and some filler a good result can be achieved. This is maybe not a vac for the beginner though. Usual Aeroclub guns and Tom's PE scarff ring etc.
I got some very useful internal details from one of the early RAF videos showing Strutters preparing for take-off - lovely evocative film!
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I am Really Looking forward to this one! This will put the last missing aircraft into My 43 squadron collection ;D
RAGIII
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Other vendors now offering pre-orders on this kit but there seems to be a bit of uncertainty about the price.
Hannants are saying 69.95GBP with the usual 10% off (62.95) for pre-order plus shipping.
Jadlam are quoting 43.95GBP for pre-order (and pay) including shipping
MJR get their stock from Hannants with a discount, so maybe they won't be able to honour their initial offer of 40.95GBP incl delivery.
45 quid seems low when the last SPAD was 60-ish - should I pre-order and pay now and hope it guarantees the price. Decisions, decisions
Sandy
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Preorder now Sandy and keep an extra forty in your back pocket just in case! lol. Regards, Pete in RI
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Great news!
The Toko 1/72 "comic" was my first WWI model ever :)
I hope they'll do some French ones in the future, too.
Jeroen
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Jadar $39.64US plus $11.33 shipping to here(Barrie ON Canada) I've always been happy with the Jadar service.
Steve
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I’ve just placed an order for the new Sopwith Strutter here:
https://ua-hobby.com/products/1-32-sopwith-1-1-2-strutter-two-seat-fighter-roden-635
I am very curious how this model will look like once assembled.
I like the pictures of the sprues.
Andreas
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I’ve just placed an order for the new Sopwith Strutter here:
https://ua-hobby.com/products/1-32-sopwith-1-1-2-strutter-two-seat-fighter-roden-635
I am very curious how this model will look like once assembled.
I like the pictures of the sprues.
Andreas
It looks like this Vendor is already Sold Out! I also like the sprue photos. I could be mistaken but it looks like they have improved the length of the strut attachment pins and depth of the holes on the wings ?
RAGIII
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Looking forward to the first review of this kit: A first look at the photos of the sprues leaves a good impression on me! (Is that understandable English?? 😬)
If somebody here can point me to a USAS version of the two-seater version of the Strutter, I might order one - while waiting for the single-seater version. (hint, hint..! 😊)
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I’ve just placed an order for the new Sopwith Strutter here:
https://ua-hobby.com/products/1-32-sopwith-1-1-2-strutter-two-seat-fighter-roden-635
I am very curious how this model will look like once assembled.
I like the pictures of the sprues.
Andreas
It looks like this Vendor is already Sold Out! I also like the sprue photos. I could be mistaken but it looks like they have improved the length of the strut attachment pins and depth of the holes on the wings ?
RAGIII
Looks like they have received some more - they are no longer listing this kit as "Sold Out".
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looks pretty nice -good to see some proper strut attachment points, as well as te pulley/cable inspection windows done properly instead of the decals from the SE5a.
When it shows up at my LHS I'll get one, though I might wait out a bit to see if they do the "comic" given how the top decking is separate, just like the 1/72 kits... ;)
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I found a parcel from Kiev on my doorstep this afternoon
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That dashboard really looks quite nice - although there are no instrument decals on the decal sheet. Artscale should come to the rescue...
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Close-ups of the armament
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And at last those inspection window openings. There's even a recess for the Acetate film coverings.
Is it just coincidence, that this arrives on the very same day when the Wingnut Wings homepage is down?
Andreas
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Thank you very much for sharing your kit with us Andreas, it looks great! The roundels look a bit better than my SPAD VII - hopefully decal registration becomes more of a focus for the team as they're able to get to it (being mindful of their situation, of course).
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Looks pretty good on the sprue!
Steve
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Hi Andreas,
Looking at your shots it seems the moulding is not that good.
Soft moulding with what looks to be stress marks in some parts and rough surface finish.
Also parts with flash and heavy seam lines.
The tooling doesn't look as though it's been polished.
The decal blue seems to be too dark.
That said I have ordered a kit :),
What's you personal opinion on the kit?
Mike
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Hi Andreas,
Looking at your shots it seems the moulding is not that good.
Soft moulding with what looks to be stress marks in some parts and rough surface finish.
Also parts with flash and heavy seam lines.
The tooling doesn't look as though it's been polished.
The decal blue seems to be too dark.
That said I have ordered a kit :),
What's you personal opinion on the kit?
Mike
I can see what you are seeing in the photos Mike. I am Hopeful that the photos being enlarged make the issues "Seem" worse than they are. I will say a few things that are strictly Opinion!
1. It does seem that Roden worked on providing better Strut location pins and their corresponding holes in the wing. Many of My past failures have involved My not being able to sort out the wing attachment :-[
2. I am also hopeful that the swirls in the plastic are like the SPAD XIII and disappear under a coat of paint. If the plastic is actually rough and pitted sanding will be a necessity!
3. Although the interior and some other part seem soft and heavily molded, I can deal with that myself with some styrene and wire. I wish I didn't have to but as this is likely to be My only shot at a 1 1/2 Strutter, Oh Well ::)
4. The decals do indeed look to be too dark. In a perfect world the aftermarket industry would take care of that. Not too Hopeful in that Nothing has been done for the SPAD XIII. This goes for interior updates also. So masking and painting will be in order.
5. Thankfully their are some generic things available from Gaspatch and others like seats, Vickers, and Lewis guns. The price of the kit helps make the Aftermarket purchases more reasonable.
6. I am Thankful for what Roden is doing even if the kits leave a bit to be desired. I have seen some Beautiful work done on Roden kits in all scales! The Fact that they are still releasing kits under the circumstances is Admirable to say the least!!
RAGIII
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6. I am Thankful for what Roden is doing even if the kits leave a bit to be desired.
Hear hear!
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Hi Andreas,
Looking at your shots it seems the moulding is not that good.
Soft moulding with what looks to be stress marks in some parts and rough surface finish.
Also parts with flash and heavy seam lines.
The tooling doesn't look as though it's been polished.
The decal blue seems to be too dark.
That said I have ordered a kit :),
What's you personal opinion on the kit?
Mike
Hello Mike,
I must say that I cannot judge a Roden kit neutrally. Please allow some two sentences to say why: When I got back to modelling after the typical break around 16-18 years of age, I suddenly found types unimagined when I was a child. Once I only knew Airfix and Revell, now, it was short before the millennium, even airplanes like a Nieuport 11 or an Aviatik Berg were available as 1:72 scale kits. I ordered all of them (via telephone, from a printed catalogue) by the dozens and was blown away by the sheer availability of all those types. Yes, eduard was there, too. But in 1:72 there were only Albatrosses and Fokker Dr. Is these days, the vast majority of ww1 model kits were Roden (Toko/Eastern Express). Roden was a synonym for WW1 modelling for me and I had so many wonderful evenings building them. Not all of these kits were easy, oh no. But they always were fun to build.
When Wingnut Wings entered the market, they set the standards, of course. They even brought me to switch to 1:32 scale, a scale that I never liked before („Waaay to huge! I will always stick to 1:72!“). But however I saw myself getting very angry when suddenly people spoke of the Roden kits as rubbish. Suddenly the Roden Dr. I wasn’t good any more, the Roden D. H. 2 wasn’t good any more. I won’t go on discussing that, without any doubt Wingnut Wings kits were breathtaking products, fantastically researched. But they are gone, sadly. But Roden is back here with this Strutter. I received it on the very same day WNW seem to have done their very last breath and the Wingnut Wings homepage got offline.
And I always had a soft spot for the Sopwith Strutter.
So what is my opinion on this kit? I do like it, of course, I love it. I even got a little emotional, which is strange as it still is just plastic. But here are not those million dollars in the back that a Peter Jackson owns. This kit is produced in a country that faces actual war, death and destruction.
Of course this is no neutral position that I have. Trying to get as close to that as I can get: There is definitely flash here and there. But I haven’t found any sink marks yet. And these ejection marks are on places that are invisible once assembled or on the inside of the fuselage. The detail is soft in places like the wing ribs. But I personally never was a huge fan of too prominent stitching detail there. I thing I‘ll use HGWs stitching decals here as I once tried PE wing rib stitching and didn’t like it. The parts actually have this typical strange blurred plastic appearance that got typical for Roden in my eyes, but I never had problems with it, like Rick has said, under a coat of paints. The only thing I am afraid of, are, as always, the decals. I can’t say if they are better than the old ones, but they still do look like those, even if the printing seems to be a little better. The blue is a little on the dark side for 1916/1917 British roundels, but I never intended to use the decals anyway.
I am sure, Mike, that you‘ll not regret having ordered one (as they are not too expensive anyway) and you‘ll build a little jewel out if it.
Andreas
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Hi Andreas,
I did not expect Roden to produce a WNW or CSM quality model, especially at the price point they were aiming at.
That said, I'll build the 504 and having built other Roden Models already, I know they can be made into more than the kit would suggest.
They can be made into good models and in many cases do not deserve the criticism they receive.
I guess we can sometimes expect a little too much from kit manufacturers these days.
It is amazing that the Ukrainian companies can produce as much as they do given the circumstances.
Mike
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Others are beginning to receive their kits. I saw a couple of posts with photos on FB today. Oddly in the "Photos" on My "Monitor", the Decals looked a bit better color wise ? Well known WW1 modeler and researcher Stephen Lawson commented that the molding was "Crisp". So I remain hopeful that it is better than the enlarged photos posted here. Anyone else received their kit and have an opinion?
RAGIII
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Hi Rich,
Yes I was wondering the same as I'm still waiting for mine to arrive.
Whatever the quality, I think we've made enough to know how to work around typical 'Roden' problems, if in fact there are any.
It'll be interesting to see the kit finally,
Mike
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I received mine yesterday. I didn't give it a close inspection, but yes, the details do seem crisper. There was a lot less flash on this kit than previous kits I have. I cut the fuselage halves off the sprue and lined them up together. It looks like a no putty seam top and bottom. Nice job Roden!
Stuart
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I received mine yesterday. I didn't give it a close inspection, but yes, the details do seem crisper. There was a lot less flash on this kit than previous kits I have. I cut the fuselage halves off the sprue and lined them up together. It looks like a no putty seam top and bottom. Nice job Roden!
Stuart
That is good to Hear Stuart! Are the decals too dark? I really Need to get one of these ordered!
RAGIII
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That is good to Hear Stuart! Are the decals too dark? I really Need to get one of these ordered!
RAGIII
Rick
Unfortunately they are much darker. I am attaching a photo for comparison.
(WNW, Copper State, Roden)
(https://www.mchost.gr/thumb/bd7939d674/75737_md.jpg) (https://www.mchost.gr/v/75737)
Spyros
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Hi all,
There are aftermarket alternatives if needed,
Mike
https://www.fantasyprintshop.co.uk/decals/aircraft-decals/1-32-scale/page/2/ (https://www.fantasyprintshop.co.uk/decals/aircraft-decals/1-32-scale/page/2/)
AIMS Facebook page
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/AIMS/snap1.jpg)
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Handy dandy!
Steve
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That is good to Hear Stuart! Are the decals too dark? I really Need to get one of these ordered!
RAGIII
Rick
Unfortunately they are much darker. I am attaching a photo for comparison.
(WNW, Copper State, Roden)
(https://www.mchost.gr/thumb/bd7939d674/75737_md.jpg) (https://www.mchost.gr/v/75737)
Spyros
Thanks for the comparison photo! I was going to need someone to do masks for the squadron letters/numbers I want to do so I guess Roundels shouldn't be too much more!
RAGIII
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Thanks for the comparison photo! I was going to need someone to do masks for the squadron letters/numbers I want to do so I guess Roundels shouldn't be too much more!
RAGIII
(https://i.postimg.cc/Df65rYnF/91182275-10219865566381702-1355329504947470336-o.jpg)
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Hi Rich,
Are those two profiles from the book of British two seaters by Ronnie Bar ?
I have that book and have pre-ordered his German fighters Vol 1,
Mike
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Thanks for the comparison photo! I was going to need someone to do masks for the squadron letters/numbers I want to do so I guess Roundels shouldn't be too much more!
RAGIII
Hi Rich,
Are those two profiles from the book of British two seaters by Ronnie Bar ?
I have that book and have pre-ordered his German fighters Vol 1,
Mike
I am not sure Mike. I pulled them off of the Net via a google search. It was a couple of years ago I think ::)
RAGIII
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I am not sure Mike. I pulled them off of the Net via a google search. It was a couple of years ago I think ::)
RAGIII
Hi Rich,
I should have checked - lazy.
Yes they are two of the 16 profiles for the 'Strutter' contained in his book,
Mike
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I also have this book but have never heard of a volume on German fighters. Is this a brand new release?
Andreas
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I am not sure Mike. I pulled them off of the Net via a google search. It was a couple of years ago I think ::)
RAGIII
Hi Rich,
I should have checked - lazy.
Yes they are two of the 16 profiles for the 'Strutter' contained in his book,
Mike
Just for the record, I would Not knowingly post anything that I personally copied from a book , that includes scans and photos of the pages, without permission.
RAGIII
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I also have this book but have never heard of a volume on German fighters. Is this a brand new release?
Andreas
Hi Andreas,
German Fighters of the Great War (Volume 1) - profiles by Ronny Bar.
ISBN: 9781911704089
Format: Hardback
Pages: 242
Published: April 11, 2023
35 GBP in the UK
Volume 2 to follow,
Mike
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I also have this book but have never heard of a volume on German fighters. Is this a brand new release?
Andreas
Hi Andreas,
German Fighters of the Great War (Volume 1) - profiles by Ronny Bar.
ISBN: 9781911704089
Format: Hardback
Pages: 242
Published: April 11, 2023
35 GBP in the UK
Volume 2 to follow,
Mike
Mike
Thanks Mike!
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Not sure if this will work but three versions of the built up kit were posted today on Facebook.
RAGIII
https://www.facebook.com/groups/greatwarin32ndscale/posts/1956080834740825/?comment_id=1956088074740101¬if_id=1682015395464308¬if_t=feedback_reaction_generic&ref=notif
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Not sure if this will work but three versions of the built up kit were posted today on Facebook.
RAGIII
https://www.facebook.com/groups/greatwarin32ndscale/posts/1956080834740825/?comment_id=1956088074740101¬if_id=1682015395464308¬if_t=feedback_reaction_generic&ref=notif
As a non-facebooker I cannot see the pictures :'(
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Not sure if this will work but three versions of the built up kit were posted today on Facebook.
RAGIII
https://www.facebook.com/groups/greatwarin32ndscale/posts/1956080834740825/?comment_id=1956088074740101¬if_id=1682015395464308¬if_t=feedback_reaction_generic&ref=notif
As a non-facebooker I cannot see the pictures :'(
I am sorry Andreas. I will try to get at least one posted soon!
RAGIII
Here is one of the photos:
(https://i.postimg.cc/vZPFhqfH/342365002-261387362904545-4270665338449457229-n.jpg)
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Hi all,
Posted on FB by Rafal Jerzak.
Seemingly three builds of the new Roden 1:32 scale Strutter.
None of the colour schemes are supplied with the kit.
Presumably he used masks for the markings,
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/strutter/1.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/strutter/2.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/strutter/3.jpg)
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Thanks Mike. I was working on the photos but you have made it seem easy 8) Beautiful Work and the kit looks Awesome built up! JMHO,
RAGIII
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Wow, they look wonderful!
Thanks for posting these pics!
Andreas
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Congratulations to both Roden and Rafal Jerzak. These are 3 beautiful models.
Richie
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Thanks for posting those Rick. There seem to be a lot of folks on the Facing Book hating on this kit, complaining of the mold quality, etc. I chalk it up to WNW having spoiled everyone over the last ten years or so.
Warren
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On their facebook page Models for Less in the UK have the following announcement
"Roden 1/32 ROD635 Sopwith 11/2 Strutter £45.99
MJR Price £40.85 GBP inc UK Evri - TH - Due End March/Apr'23"
Re, my initial post, these kits have finally hit the UK, but there seems to be a huge variation in price:
Hannants are asking 69.99GBP (if you'd backordered, it was 62.99)
Jadlam are asking 43.95GBP with free postage
MJR have just invoiced me for 40.85GBP incl shipping, and I have bitten their hand off with my cc!
I've seen this before with Roden - I got the latest SPAD XIII for 45.99 (sent) from Dave Coley's Emporium, while Hannants again are still asking 65.99 plus p&p.
Anyway, just a heads-up to shop around for prices, as they vary significantly from supplier to supplier.
Sandy
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Hi all,
Posted on FB by Rafal Jerzak.
Seemingly three builds of the new Roden 1:32 scale Strutter.
None of the colour schemes are supplied with the kit.
Presumably he used masks for the markings,
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/strutter/1.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/strutter/2.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/strutter/3.jpg)
SO beautiful!
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There seem to be a lot of folks on the Facing Book hating on this kit, complaining of the mold quality, etc.
Warren
Puh! And they have seen the pictures which were posted here by Rick and Mike?
However ; Another reason for me not to be at Facebook. I can’t say how much I despise such people. If they’re not modelers but just assemblers, those haters should start collecting stamps or so.
Andreas
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There seem to be a lot of folks on the Facing Book hating on this kit, complaining of the mold quality, etc.
Warren
Puh! And they have seen the pictures which were posted here by Rick and Mike?
However ; Another reason for me not to be at Facebook. I can’t say how much I despise such people. If they’re not modelers but just assemblers, those haters should start collecting stamps or so.
Andreas
The kits do look great once "Assembled" and painted ::) The builder confirmed this Morning that He made his own markings!
RAGIII
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I don't care what the critics say on FB and other sites, I will support Roden (I like their 1/32 range). The talented people on this site make great builds of these kits (I am not one of them :o)
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I don't care what the critics say on FB and other sites, I will support Roden (I like their 1/32 range). The talented people on this site make great builds of these kits (I am not one of them :o)
I am right there with you Juan!
RAGIII
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There seem to be a lot of folks on the Facing Book hating on this kit, complaining of the mold quality, etc.
Warren
Puh! And they have seen the pictures which were posted here by Rick and Mike?
However ; Another reason for me not to be at Facebook. I can’t say how much I despise such people. If they’re not modelers but just assemblers, those haters should start collecting stamps or so.
Andreas
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100% agreed. They clearly have no understanding whatsoever of the craft of model making and blame the kit manufacturers for their own poor results.
Roden seem to have produced something special here. Take a bow Roden, take a hike all you haters.
Richiez
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I ordered a pair from Jadlam and another from MJR (?) because I can’t believe that price will last long and why pay £65?!!
The Jadlam pair arrived today and I’m very pleased- a very good basis at an excellent price. My thinking is to build a two seater and then a single seater using the front cockpit and a night fighter using just the rear cockpit and the two Windsocks will be my guide. The markings will be a problem and I really wish Roden would use the likes of Fantasy to produce their decal sheets. I’m aware of AIMs forthcoming sheet but I’m not sure if any of the decals would be the right size for a Strutter? I bet they aren’t !! I won’t be building these straight away so something might appear from the aftermarket? My fingers are crossed anyway!!
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AIMS decals for Roden's 1/32th scale Strutter? 😳 What? When? Where, please!
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AIMS decals for Roden's 1/32th scale Strutter? 😳 What? When? Where, please!
I posted info in page 4 of this thread ;)
Mike
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Sadly that sheet includes everything but the 1 1/2 Strutter!!
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Sadly that sheet includes everything but the 1 1/2 Strutter!!
I guess it depends on the sizes of the decals, although they are for fighters,
Mike
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Decals aside , the markings really aren't that difficult to mask and paint. JMHO
RAGIII
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AIMS decals for Roden's 1/32th scale Strutter? 😳 What? When? Where, please!
I posted info in page 4 of this thread ;)
Mike
Thanks, Mike!
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Decals aside , the markings really aren't that difficult to mask and paint. JMHO
RAGIII
I think the white outlines are what would concern me!!
Simon
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Hi all,
'Fantasy Printshop' set 32001.
Sizes from 26 to 36 mm diameter, but no white outer rings.
Faded blue but might be worth a look,
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/srutter/roundels.jpg)
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That could be interesting, especially if they fitted on top of the Roden ones but left the white outline exposed?
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Hi Simon,
These are 'carrier' less decals.
However they do sell two sheets of just white backgrounds as well, which possibly you could apply the roundels.
Maybe that would leave the white outer ring.
Otherwise I'd mask and airbrush the white disc then apply the decal onto that,
Mike
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Thanks Mike. I think it’s a case of actually measuring the Roden decals and then seeing what is required and what is available. As you say, a simple mask to produce a white disc might do but the thought of spraying individual colours for roundels fills me full of dread! A few years back I used masks to spray on the numbers to the turret of a 1/16 Tiger tank and they were coloured numbers with white outlines. Getting the masking for the white outlines on was no easy task and there is a risk of rather thick paint layers too!!
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I'm in my car just now so no access to refs, but from memory, is the wing chord not the same size on the Strutter as the Pup? ie any leftovers from WNW Pup would fit the LCT - maybe I'm talking nonsense as usual?
Sandy
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I bet you’re right - I have spare Camel roundels!!
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I'm in my car just now so no access to refs, but from memory, is the wing chord not the same size on the Strutter as the Pup? ie any leftovers from WNW Pup would fit the LCT - maybe I'm talking nonsense as usual?
Sandy
The Pup chord is narrower, but the roundels are the same. (see the photo in the post at the beginning of the page).
Spyros
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Can anyone here recommend USAS decals? Rondels and numbers? I'd like to try to make mine (not yet ordered..) into a training-bird of the 90th Aero Squadron.
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I'm in my car just now so no access to refs, but from memory, is the wing chord not the same size on the Strutter as the Pup? ie any leftovers from WNW Pup would fit the LCT - maybe I'm talking nonsense as usual?
Sandy
The Pup chord is narrower, but the roundels are the same. (see the photo in the post at the beginning of the page).
Spyros
Just measured the roundels :-
Upper wing outlined - 49mm
Lower or upper without outline - 48mm
Fuselage - outlined - 20mm
fuselage - no outline - 24mm
I compared them with a set of wing roundels for a Camel and they are either 41mm or 43mm outlined or 40mm without an outline so the Strutter ones are significantly larger and I’d say around 64” diameter at 1:1 scale
Not sure if the AIMs sheet includes anything that large?
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The more I see of this kit, the more I want one!
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I'm in my car just now so no access to refs, but from memory, is the wing chord not the same size on the Strutter as the Pup? ie any leftovers from WNW Pup would fit the LCT - maybe I'm talking nonsense as usual?
Sandy
The Pup chord is narrower, but the roundels are the same. (see the photo in the post at the beginning of the page).
Spyros
Jut checked the 'Official Tech & Rigging Notes' collected and published by RAF Museum and Chord dimensions given as follows:
Strutter 5 foot 6 inches and Pup 5 foot 1&1/2 inches. A difference of four and a half inches - in 1/32 scale one sixteenth (plus a ballhair) of an inch at Leading Edge and again at Trailing Edge of wing if you use the WNW Pup roundels.
I can easily live with that, but of course if you spray a 5'6" white circle it will be perfect to provide an outline for the non-outlined Pup roundels
I have spare WNW Pup decals and will almost certainly use them on my first Roden LCT - providing they don't crumble like the Camel decals of course!!!
YMMV
Sandy
PS Camel is 4'6" so obviously not much use - but the Brisfit, FE2b, DH4 & RE8 are exactly the same chord at 5'6" if you have any of them left over!
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Whoa! Hold the horses!
I've just received my Roden Strutter kit this afternoon - a few minutes after posting above about using WNW decals.
However, on first inspection, the decals in the Roden kit look pretty good to me. All right they are not Cartograph quality but colour density is good, no pixellations, register is pretty well spot-on (maybe a tiny, tiny eccentricity in smallest roundel's outer white ring but really probably not noticeable in situ), sharp and well defined. There is the slightest run-off on the rudder red - but that will be sanded off after application anyway.
The late SPAD roundels were unusable, but these Strutter ones look perfectly good to me. I have no idea if they might crack or break-up on wetting, but so far, I am a very happy chappy.
The mouldings are crisp and well formed (yes, with a tiny amount of flash, but very little) - and a choice of upper wings. Also much improved strut anchors.
Wow, for the 40.85GBP shipped that I paid, this is phenomenal value for a good, big kit. I'm torn now whether to buy another two or wait for the inevitable singe-seat, comic and French release options that hopefully will come next.
Go Roden. Please make the 504K to this quality next, then lots, lots more subjects - please.
Sandy
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Hi Sandy,
I agree.
I received my kit from Jadlam today.
The only observation I'd make over and above yours are about the flight surfaces.
The top surface of the wings have raised ribs, but they are flat and softly moulded.
The undersides of the wings have essentially no rib detail, other than very faint impressions of ribs.
The wing leading edge inter-ribs are probably too raised and obvious.
Also, there are no visible rib tapes on either the top or underside of the wings.
The same applies to the tail unit.
Apart from that it looks to be a reasonably good kit and should make a nice model of the Strutter,
Mike
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Yes, I agree with Mike's points - ie it is not a WNW kit - but it is a great starting point for a nice model. For those of us that fought the original short-run Eduard 1/48 SS.D.III, StartStrutter and Albatros C-type kits back in the early 90s, this is a beautiful model and at an unbeatable price.
I'm so excited that I've had to start detaching parts and cleaning-up right away to see what it will look like - thought you might too - see below!
The cockpit upper decking is a little rough and some of the fine details are a little soft - but, so what, we have a 1/32 LCT!
.. and I've got a suitable aircraft to pose my Hi-Tech 'Back from Patrol' figures with!
Sandy
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Hi all,
To prevent thread creep (which I admittedly contributed to!) I've split off the rib tape/stitching discussion into its own dedicated topic here (https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=13787.0) so we may focus on the Sopwith One and a Half Strutter kit.
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Hi all,
To prevent thread creep (which I admittedly contributed to!) I've split off the rib tape/stitching discussion into its own dedicated topic here (https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=13787.0) so we may focus on the Sopwith One and a Half Strutter kit.
Thanks Zac, you have Most Likely made the right decision ::) That being said if lack of rib tapes and stitching are things being stated that this kit lacks I feel it is kind of relevant. So hopefully all will go to the link you created and continue to contribute! Again thanks for your work as a Moderator, a task that is certainly difficult to make decisions at times 8)
RAGIII
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As long as we all stick to discussion focused on the kit - rather than more generalised talk - we should be fine!
That said when I trimmed things we lost comments relevant to the kit, which I've placed below:
This is excellent to hear re: the decals.
Looks nice, I have mine on order from my LHS -thanks also for the comparison on the roundels, although I can't confirm it (can anyone....) I felt the early WNW kits roundels looked rather light?
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Bomber Bits!
For some reason this kit has got me really excited and I've had to clear the bench and get started right away.
While cutting bits from the sprues it suddenly struck me that the square box structures are of course the interlocking pieces for the internal fuselage, bomb holding cell, along with the individual bombs - obviously for a future release of the Bomber version.
It was on the cards, but nice to see confirmation. The provision of 2 x lewis with jackets and 2 x lewis w/o jackets surely points to a Comic version too.
Yeehah!
Sandy
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Hi all,
'Fantasy Printshop' set 32001.
Sizes from 26 to 36 mm diameter, but no white outer rings.
Faded blue but might be worth a look,
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/srutter/roundels.jpg)
Hi all,
I ordered these decals and have compared them to the size of the kit decals.
The 'Fantasy' decals look good and are just a bit lighter than the kit decals.
However, the largest is still too small for the 'Strutter'.
I guess if you want to replace them it'll be a case of:
Mask and paint them
Find suitable replacements from another kit or the 'spares' box,
Have them custom made,
Mike
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Bomber Bits!
For some reason this kit has got me really excited and I've had to clear the bench and get started right away.
Great news, and your enthusiasm is infectious - I’m excited to follow your build!
I’m meant to be saving for my big move for study but I really want one of these…
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Hi all,
Posted on FB by Ray Rimmel is the Strutter's rigging diagram,
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/strutter/rigging.jpg)
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Thank you Ray and Mike!
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The Comic is coming.
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/roden-637-sopwith-1-1-2-strutter-comic-fighter--1492769
Spyros
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The Comic isn't in My plans but I know Many of you are really excited by this announcement! I just started working on My Strutter and Must say I am Extremely Happy to see Roden listened to feedback and improved the strut locating pins on this one!!
RAGIII
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And apparently Aviattic may now be doing. 1 1/2 Strutter decals, contrary to the indication back in February- hurrah!!
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And apparently Aviattic may now be doing. 1 1/2 Strutter decals, contrary to the indication back in February- hurrah!!
Hi Simon,
Indeed.
Richard is close to completing decals for 5 aircraft and will also be releasing engine cowls to replace the kit parts.
Depending on sales he may be releasing more decal sets.
Mike
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It's great news and almost a 'must have'. Hopefully he will include sufficient roundels and fin flashes for 5 airframes then so that we don't have to use the Roden ones - maybe a roundel and fin flash sheet as well? And cowls to. I suspect he will do well with sales at SMW this year!!
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It's great news and almost a 'must have'. Hopefully he will include sufficient roundels and fin flashes for 5 airframes then so that we don't have to use the Roden ones - maybe a roundel and fin flash sheet as well? And cowls to. I suspect he will do well with sales at SMW this year!!
…and USAS roundels etc., too, please!!!
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That’s why I couldn’t understand Richard not being interested back in February because there’s a lot of potential in this kit for aftermarket sales. He must be taking a bit of a gamble that sales will justify the risk he’s taking but I hope it works out well for him. No doubt there will be scope for French markings to?
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Looks like some replacement cowlings coming as well
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Meanwhile, Jadlam in the UK have the new 1/32 Comic Strutter on pre-order for ..... 41.95GBP with free UK delivery.
I've just ordered mine (with a 2GBP points-off discount too) as the two-seater came out at this sort of price but then quickly shot up to 50-60GBP.
Might be a short while before I build another RFC Strutter but at this price it's still a no-brainer!
Sandy
(No connection etc..)
https://www.jadlamracingmodels.com/roden-637-sopwith-1-1-2-strutter-comic-fighter-1-32-aircraft-model-kit/
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That is cool -my first (completed ;D ;D ) WWI model was a Toko 1/72 "Comic" By my current standard it looks pretty bad, but I still have it, and silently I was really hoping Roden would do this version in 1/32. Well done Roden!
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Sandy, when you say no-brainer I look at my shelves filled with more models than I can possibly build I realize - I am obviously a "no-brainer"
Steve