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Modelers Lounge => The World of Scale Models => Topic started by: dr 1 ace on December 17, 2022, 08:34:15 AM
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Does anyone have a FS # or a hobby paint match for the Interior of the Me 410 at Coford ? The color pictures in the WWP "In Detail Special no.1" It shows it as a bluesih/green definitely not the 02 in the wheelwells. I also seem to recall seeing a similiar color in a He 162 that was being restored by the French company that did the Halberstadt.
Any and all help will be most appreciated.
Ed
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Ed, I've asked this for you at Britmodeller - hopefully it will be answered in short order and I'll relay the results.
The French group is the Memorial Flight - here's their He162 page (http://memorial.flight.free.fr/He162uk.html) with many, many photos to help with colour matching.
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Thanks Zac, the cockpit is darker like 02/66 but that green is all over the inside of the a/c , lg etc It looks very similar to the green on the framing of their DR.I
Hope Britmodeller can come thru.
Ed
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RLM 66 changed its look over the years. When the early RLM 66 was like a very dark grey, the later one was mich greener. AK Real color have both in their range:
(https://www.fantasywelt.de/media/image/product/143895/md/rlm-66-1938-17-ml.jpg)
(https://www.fantasywelt.de/media/image/product/86125/md/ak-real-colors-rlm-66-10ml.jpg)
Regards,
Andreas
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I also posted your request on ARC and LSP too 8)
From the other thread, which I have now closed for convenience:
In theory the cockpit should be RLM 66. I would expect gear and weapons bays to be 02. Cosford is about a 45 minute drive away for me. I may have photos of the 410 so if you want to pm me your email I can have a look next week.
Hello Simon,
Thank you very much for the kid offer ! Will most appreciate your efforts actually it would be a confirmation as The WWP pubs definately show a different color . I have posted a similiar request on Hyperscale { https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/cockpit-interior-paint-color-of-me-410-at-raf-muse-t534983.html?view=unread#unread} with pics from the WWP . Some of the responses think maybe it was British interior green that maybe the Museum used in the original restoration (?? see pictures on Hyperscale page of 2-too big to attach here) But if they did, they managed to perfectly save the 2 small rivitted plaques on the rail just below the red knob. So when you go to the museum if you could ask if that is what was done would be the answer.
No rush
Ed, email:[email protected]
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Ed, this is from a member at LSP:
Are you looking to find out what oddball color they used in their cockpit, or looking for an alternative to the correct wartime RLM 66?
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From "Fat Fly Half" on Britmodeller:
Cockpits, all the visible areas, in aircraft from 1941 were usually RLM 66 (Schwarzgrau)
Try paints such Xtracolour or any similar ones for a reasonable match.
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Mention of the Me410 at Cosford reminds me of my visit there over fifty years ago as a young ATC cadet, considering joining the RAF. Four of us went down to Cosford on an induction course and enjoyed lots of flying and shooting etc. However we had quite a bit of spare time and were shown the storage hangars which at that time held much of the itinerary for the soon-to-be-built BoB Museum at Hendon.
We were given free reign with the warning not to break anything.
I spent hours climbing over and into all these dream aircraft - Mosquito, Bf109, Fw190, Me110, Me410, Spits, Hurricane, etc, etc, etc. The Me410 was especially memorable for its cannon barbettes. I only had a little Kodak cartridge camera, how I wish now I'd had a decent SLR.
Frightening to think now that almost twice the time has elapsed since then, than since the aircraft at that time had been in action in WW2!
Tempus fugit.
Sandy
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From "Fat Fly Half" on Britmodeller:
Cockpits, all the visible areas, in aircraft from 1941 were usually RLM 66 (Schwarzgrau)
Try paints such Xtracolour or any similar ones for a reasonable match.
Zac,
Thanks for posting the latest 2 replies. I guess I was hoping that the lighter color was a sort of one-off as it would give a greater contrast to the cockpit , will await confirmation from Simon after his visit after the new year. It all looks to be use of the different paint for the 1986 restoration.
Ed
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Ed, were you wanting this particular aircraft's current cockpit colour or the original wartime finish?
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From ARC Forum member GW8345:
Not sure what Coford painted their bird in but the color should be RLM 66, the closest FS number would be 36118 (gunship grey).
All Luftwaffe cockpit were painted RLM 66 after 40/41 time frame.
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From ARC Forum member GW8345:
Not sure what Coford painted their bird in but the color should be RLM 66, the closest FS number would be 36118 (gunship grey).
All Luftwaffe cockpit were painted RLM 66 after 40/41 time frame.
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Thanks all for the replies ! Will likely go with RLM 66 ! The Memorial Flight did reply and the He 162 does indeed have an "off color" paint in the cockpit and various components, as they say original and most likely due to late war shortages/various subcontracting.
Ed
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Happy to help Ed, and please be sure to share your build with us! The 410 is a neat-looking machine and I'd love to see yours.
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Zac,
Will do on posting pics, it is 3rd in line, hopefully by the end of the year.
Ed
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hopefully by the end of the year.
That's a timeframe I think anyone would be comfortable with! ;D
A poster at ARC shared a couple of photos of Cosford's machine for you here (http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?/topic/329875-cockpit-interior-paint-colour-of-me-410-at-raf-museum-cosford/&do=findComment&comment=3099744).
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From The Keeper on ARC:
This link https://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/documents/collections/85-AF-78-Me-410-420430.pdf
indicates it's Not unrestored, it's last paint job probably 1986. That being said, paint certainly looks prototypical. The fuselage bay, interior, and cockpit framing look the right shade of farbton 66. Using this color looks too dark in scale so I would go with something lighter that gives a good representation of scale color. Most aircraft coming out of the factory in WW II usually show factory preservative paint like zinc chromate, RLM 02, etc. When the aircraft went in for a rehab, tune-up, etc. very often they would spray the bays with the underwing color. This is why we get so many discussions on proper gear and bay color.
The NASM has an Me-410 awaiting restoration. Wish I could get in there with my FS-595a fan deck and do come comparisons.
Hope that helps,
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Zac,
Thanks for the 2 latest posts !
Ed
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No worries Ed :)