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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Paper and Card models => Topic started by: NinetythirdLiberator on May 21, 2020, 12:25:45 PM
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All,
As promised, here is my next card model. This one if from a different designer that I've had good luck with (Marek) and the repaint by Marco. I think I may do a video series accompanying this one since I built Marek's Bf-109E a while back so this would be a nice WWI subject to try for comparison. Plus, it's got some nice curves (translated: may be difficult!) and some tough angles to get like the lower wing to fuselage point. A nice challenge! ::)
So far, just printed out on 67 lb. card stock A4 size and coated with clear acrylic (flat). Ready to start putting parts onto wood.
This darn stuff is just too much fun.
Cheers,
Dan
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Dan, I'll be following this one closely, and it should be a great learning experience. I would enjoy another video series. Looking forward to seeing how you deal with those compound curves! :o
How do you apply the flat acrylic coat? Airbrush or brush? How does the paper hold up?
Good luck! This will be fun for all involved. ;D
Best regards,
Bob
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Hi Bob...
I just use Krylon or something similar from the can. Lasts a long time and gives a nice coat. Makes it so you can scrape off errant tacky glue blobs you get on the pretty parts. Won't leave any (or very light) blemishes!
And it protects the ink jet color too. The paper holds up just fine and the acrylic dries super fast anyway.
I think a video series could be fun...just be a slower process!
Dan
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Hi Dan ...
Lately, I've only been using coated paper on both sides.
I found some of satisfactory quality, weights 120 and 200 gr./mq.
The colors remain more intense, especially black.
I still don't know how long they keep these qualities.
I get the best print quality if I set the printer for the glossy photo.
Marco
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Dan and Marco, thanks for sharing these technical bits of information. It's very helpful to we neophytes who are looking to get more involved in paper modeling. ;D
Best regards,
Bob
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As always I will follow with great interest and amazement!
RAGIII
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Hello All...
This will be a fun one. I found a thread for this very model (in other colors) from 2018 and there seem to be some places to watch for, but nothing insurmountable. I hope that's true! ;D
Marco: I have never coated both sides before and I'll try that at some point. I tend to print mine on "normal" quality and "plain paper" and like the results thus far. I did have your Berg Scout printed at a local office supply store and it was just lovely. I may start doing that from now on. Still only costs pennies to print the sheets!
More soon...Dan
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Got the engine done! It took some real head-scratching for some of the details as the directions are sort of not there and some of the numbers are incorrect. However, I tried to make it as the kit intended with the only problem being that it isn't really all that accurate. Some of the manifold piping is wrong (I think) and I really have no idea what that disc on the front of the engine is...although I did find some photos of the real engine and I think I know where the designer was coming from. It would have been hard to add valve springs as well due to the design without making a completely new top end, so I left it alone.
I only added the manifold pipes from stretched sprue, spark plugs and wires and the wire guide on each side. The engine is kind of out in the breeze so it makes sense to take some time to doll it up even if it's more "steam punk" than accurate. In the end, it's a nice busy top end and will look cool with an exhaust and radiator tubing attached!
More soon...Dan
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That looks cool!
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Dan, are you sure that's not a WNW engine, well-weathered? It looks gorgeous, just like Marco's engine on the Farman. Is it real, or is it Memorex? (Variation on the cassette tape commercials from the 1970s). ;D Great modeling!
Best,
Bob
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Thanks Gazza and Bob!
I took a break and did a couple of easy pieces...the tails. They have a small bit of internal structure to give some heft and to keep the two sides from gluing together too flatly. With a little sanding around the edges, all is well!
More soon...Dan
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Really nice job on those tail feathers Dan and I do like the engine even though it does look odd ;)
Terri
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Dan,
This is sure to be another great one. Who needs a 3-D printer. Taking a 2-D object and creating a 3-D model gets the job done.
This is just fantastic to me.
Thanks for sharing,
Kevin
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Thanks, Terri and Kevin! And Kevin...your latest 1/28th Fokker is amazing. I just saw that and don't know how I missed it!
I trust you guys are ok in PO and still loving more relaxed days! My daughter's long-time boy friend lives there so I suspect we'll be spending more time there in the near future... ;). Poor thing is stuck in Puyallup!
I got the cockpit done and started fitting all the fuselage skins to the balsa formers. These are all just friction fit for now to make sure things will line up. Little bits are sanded here, sanded there...and you end up with a nice final product. In this case, this is the first paper model I've made that just butt joins the fuselage formers to each other. This is a bit dicey to me as the matches need to be very, very accurate or you get an unsightly lump or Grand Canyon gap. On the other models I've made with convex bodies, you use formers and tabs and the tabs allow skins to slide together. Hard to explain but this one needs extra care. So my skins are glued, but the cross section shapes are just fitting for show!
Steady as she goes!
More soon...Dan
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Looking good Dan, and cruising right along. I'm sure you'll be up to the challenge of those butt joints; I'd be nervous! Looking forward to seeing that graceful curvy Pfalz fuselage coming together for you. This looks like an interesting and fun build. Carry on!
Best,
Bob
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Stunning work Dan! You are getting faster and More skilled with each build!
RAGIII
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Second Ricks comments :)
Terri
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Thanks Bob, Rick and Terri!
I got a lot of the fuselage done...at least as much as I can finish tonight. The various subparts are coming together ok and things are lining up pretty well! The left side of the fuselage sword isn't as nice as the one you see here... ::)
I couldn't help but put that lovely tail on and I also added the motor mount and just set the engine in to see how things look. Pretty cool, I must say! It all needs a bit of burnishing of the joints and I need to figure out the spinner and the housing around the engine, but I do think the vast majority of the most difficult parts are over.
Unless the lower wing proves to be my undoing! Lots of odd shaping and fillets too! Arghhhh! :-\
More tomorrow and thanks for looking...Dan
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That looks really cool, Dan! The last shot with the elegant curvy tail and the engine in place gives a real taste of how this will turn out. I am confident you will handle the wing fairings with your usual aplomb. ;D Did the sword line up properly on both sides? That's a tough emblem to split up.
Looking good and moving forward at warp speed. Good luck (or "viel Gluck" since it's a German aircraft)! ::)
Best,
Bob
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Dan,
if the design of the sword is offset, let me know that I move it to the exact size and I will send it back to you immediately.
regards,
matt77
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Thanks Bob...I agree that's a hard one to deal with. I know Marco's Nieuport had that bow and arrow along the sides along with the lovely lady and those were pretty much spot on!
Marco! Thanks for following this. The left side is off, but I really don't know if it's me or not. It very well could be my cutting etc. but all the formers and skins seem to be laser perfect thus far. I've attached a shot of the "off" side and the great side for you to see.
No need to send me another as I'll make some simple changes and I think it will be ok. ;)
More tonight! I hope to get the nose completed...Dan
P.S. I have started a vlog of this build on YouTube if you need a giggle. Uploads may be kind of slow as our home internet has not been working too hot for the past two weeks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_69yytThoo
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All you get today is ..... :) 8)
Terri
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I modified the last "somite" by raising the tip of the blade:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/uiojjdqqi7yq55g/Pfalz_DIIIa-5_Error_sword.pdf/file (http://www.mediafire.com/file/uiojjdqqi7yq55g/Pfalz_DIIIa-5_Error_sword.pdf/file)
matt77
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THANKS, Marco!!!!
For tonight and to go up in Terri's estimation, I got the front engine "shield" on as well as installed the engine. It's good to get it in there! Now it's off the bench and less prone to being squashed...
Even more tomorrow!
Cheers,
Dan
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Again you are moving along at a Fantastic pace and the Pfalz looks awesome. The engine looks Fantastic in place!
RAGIII
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Thanks, Rick!
In the harsh light of day, I think that front protector is too low. I may need to modify that part a bit...unless I installed it wrong! ::) Could be...
I'll probably get her armed tonight. We'll see. It is looking like a Pfalz now!
Dan
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Moving right along Dan! I get where you're coming from on the front protector--it looks fine to us, but will bother you if you don't adjust it to your vision of how it should be. I'm sure you will have little problem with that.
This is looking all round and curvy and sleek and wonderful--like a Pfalz! ::)
Incidentally, what do you do, if anything, to get a semi-gloss or higher sheen on your paper kits, for example, a highly varnished natural wood fuselage? Do you spray on acrylic gloss or semi-gloss in light coats or use a wide brush? What brand do you use and how do you apply it and at what stage of construction? Just curious for future builds. Marco, you can chime in here too, as I am interested in how you handle glossier surfaces on paper kits. Thanks guys. Carry on!
Best,
Bob
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Hi Bob and thanks!
Lots of folks from Poland, Russia, the Czech Republic (these folks really know how to build these) tend to give them a spray coat after they are completed just like a plastic modeler may give a shot of dull coat or some Future floor wax before decalling (spelling?). I give my sheets a coat of flat acrylic clear before I start cutting anything and tend to leave them alone after that. I just use it straight from the can...
You sure could spray a fuselage with clear gloss and make some neat effects! I sprayed my prop for my Fokker with Tamyia clear orange to make it look a bit like varnished wood. Worked just fine.
I hope this helps...Dan
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Quick work on this one so far , looking really good so far but I don't care for how the fuselage joins with all those seems running horizontal . But that is just me , it is my favorite bird !
The wing root is going be interesting and I do look forward on seeing how you tackle this :)
Terri
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Hi Terri,
That is indeed the rub on these guys with formers. On WWII types it's ok since you can put seams along normal panel lines. Not this one!
The other thing to remember is that if you are amazingly skilled, you can almost make those seams disappear. I am not one of those people! ;D
The rear part near the tip of the sword is particularly glaring so I'll see what I can do with that!
One option for next time is to just simply fill them with putty and repaint the fuselage. Then you'd never know! But then I'd ruin Marco's recolor so...
More tonight.
Dan
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A bit more! The tails are on and rigged as is the tail skid. I've also almost completed the guns! Also, even though my seam isn't too nice near the tail, Marco sent me a fix on the sword and it now fits on both sides!
Still needs work but it's coming along.
Cheers,
Dan
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Dan,
I can't get over the speed you are able to maintain during these builds. The Pfalz is looking great.
It's got to be a real challenge with all the compound curves.
Enjoy your weekend,
Kevin
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Thanks, Kevin. It really helps to basically be home forever. I could get used to this... ::)
A bit more tonight. She is armed...
Dan
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The work you did on the tail and guns is top notch Dan and the sword on the side is much better .
Terri
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Thanks, Terri. Matching things up from a designer's standpoint let alone the little assembler is not an easy task! I think I'll call this pretty good.
I started the lower wing. The fillets went on without too much headache. It has an internal structure and then you shape the fillets carefully and glue them on! I'll then trim where the lower wings go for a nice fit and Bob's Your Uncle...I hope!
More soon,
Dan
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Looking really good Dan! Glad to hear that the wing root fillets were not too bad for you. I like what you did with the balsa supports. Do the lower wings have any structural support like a balsa spar?
Keep going! This is looking very sweet. ;D
Best regards,
Bob
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Hi Bob and thanks...
As designed, there were two wires that cryptically went through the fuselage and looked like an F4-U gull stubby gull wing. They fit on either side of a balsa insert I put in that was sanded to an approximate airfoil. It was all too fiddly and I was not able to figure how you actually got the wire in and made it look neat. So...I'm either going to use a simple butt joint as there it lots of meat to glue or add a little, flat aluminum tab to bye some purchase and allow me to adjust my dihedral etc.
Time will tell! Thanks for the interest. Maybe more tonight!
Dan
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Dan, I am continuing to be impressed! That fillet and mounting of the lower wing is difficult in Modern Injection Molding. You have really achieved excellent results!
RAGIII
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Thanks, Rick! I do think that's the designer and me carefully cutting. It's actually pretty amazing and looks good even in person.
I got the bottom wings on using bendable tabs I cut from a tomato paste can (Friday was pizza night at our house). They worked great. I then started the top wing and you can see the underlying structure and half of the wing completed.
I CAN NOT WAIT to get this thing together. Looks really rather pretty with all that lonzenge and the black really sets it off!
More tomorrow unless I get tear gassed in Seattle...Dan
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Dan,
Another late night modeling session, I see. It’s coming
along nicely. Things a calm over here on my side of the
Narrows. I’ve got two acres surrounded by twenty foot
Laurel hedges. It keeps the tear gas away and no one can
see my WNW stash. Be safe,
Kevin
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This build is starting to real grow on me , excellent job on fitting the lower wing/root . Top wing is also looking good ! Not much left to go on her now , looking forward to the next run of up-dates :)
Terri
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I can see why you "Can Not Wait" to get this one together. Like you said the Black fuselage and lozenge are striking! The upper wing is looking Fantastic!
RAGIII
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Oh my, Dan. That really looks striking with the top wing. I agree that the lozenge renderings by Marco are really super, and go very well with the muted black fuselage. This looks really great! ;D I'm excited for the finish, too. I must admit, I had some doubts when you declared for a paper Pfalz D.III with all of those luscious curves, but you have created a superb model from Marco's brilliant kit. Very well done, my friend! ;D BTW, first-rate modeling with incorporation of a tomato past can as a bendable wing spar--brilliant solution!
Best regards,
Bob
ps: I'm enjoying the video log as well, and learning more and more from your experience. I am close to done with the Nieuport (in a good way!), and I will be heading back to paper and scissors promptly with a Matt77 repaint of a Marek kit, the Aviatik Berg D.I in Autumn Mottle camo. ;D You have a convert!
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Thanks Terri, Kevin, Rick and Bob! As long as this thing sort of passes muster with the Queen of the Pfalz...I'm in! ;D
Terri is right...this has got to be a huge favorite among folks. My WNW model is a beautiful piece. These may look nice together!
Bob...thanks about the videos. They are tedious but fun to make. I'm glad they may be useful to at least one person on the Planet. And I made that Berg scout and it's a beauty. You'll have fun with that one. As I recall, no huge issues either.
And Kevin...peaceful over here last night. Maybe Felony Way won't erupt like Auburn! We can only hope. :-\
I got the interplanes done and the top wing in place! Cabanes next and then it will be strong. I modified the struts a bit since in all the pictures I see, they sit proud of the wing surfaces and you can clearly see the attachment points. In the kit, the struts all look nice, but are designed to be flush. So I pinned them with some wire and I think it looks better. I'll see if the cabanes work now since I may have a larger space between my planes now! We'll see...
Oh! I also got the radiator started on the top wing. Looks pretty neat up there.
Cheers,
Dan
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Looks Outstanding as a biplane! The Pfalz is a lovely bird and your build is just as lovely!
RAGIII
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Oh ...I'm sure it will pass the stamp of approval ;)
Your doing a super job and like Rick said , Outstanding Dan and the struts turned out very well , are they just all paer with the wire pins ? Or did you add a balsa core ?
Terri
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Thanks so much, Rick and Terri! :)
Yes, Terri...they have balsa cores and I just slipped thin wire into the ends with some super glue. Works really well and they are stout and a "click" fit.
I just added the cabanes! I do think the top wing is a tad too high. This is the second Marek WWI design I've made that ended up like this...not sure what that means. Of course, I did modify the interplanes with my piano wire extensions and if I'd have just built it as is, I think they would have been perfect. In any event, it still looks really nice and I don't think it will look bad with everything connected. Besides, the cabanes look spot on in terms of length and where they attached in the strut holes so I'm good with that!
Next...on to the rigging. Stay tuned...
Dan
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Beautiful bird, I'm amazed by how realistic paper models can be. I came late into your build but I'mreally longing to see this completed.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Thanks, Giuseppe! It's all due to your country-man Marco of Matt77 fame. He does amazing repaints with his computer and they look incredibly realistic.
This one is really coming along. Maybe some rigging or landing gear soon!
Thanks for your comments....Dan :D
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Looks Great Dan! You are almost there!
RAGIII
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The juice's are flowing now ! :o
Terri
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Thanks Terri and Rick!
Got the landing gear and spreader bar on! Tomorrow...we rig for real...Dan :D
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Dan, this Pfalz looks pfantastic! So, compund curves proved no match fir your skills. ;D
Two questions (in my learning mode): 1. How will you do the wheels, balsa turned on your Dremel "lathe," or some other method? 2. If you wanted to get a glossier finish, how would you achieve that? I've got a natural wood fuselage to think about on the upcoming Berg. Thanks, and very well done!
Best,
Bob
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Hi and Thanks, Bob!
Funny you should ask...I tried something new this time and though I think I need to tweak it (my wheels are marginally too big in diameter) things worked out well. I went to the local hardware store and bought several o-rings, roughed them up with sandpaper, hit them with grey primer which (to me!) approximates a good rubber color. I then made the hubs from two cross-grained 1/32nd sheet and glued the o-rings around the hubs. You can see things as they stand now.
I do think the wheels are too big. I also think that the spreader bar is not long enough so my Pfalz sits a tad high. I'm going to redo these parts, but you get the picture here.
I also got the prop blades on the spinner and it's amazing how much more finished she looks now.
Still more to go but the finish line is in sight!
Cheers,
Dan
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A truly beautiful representation of a Beautiful Aircraft! The prop blades look amazing and the whole thing really looks Terrific!
RAGIII
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All looks good Dan! I think the O-rings might be a great option if you can find the right size. I really like the looks of the spinner and prop. How did you do them? Thanks.
Best,
Bob
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Thanks, Giuseppe! It's all due to your country-man Marco of Matt77 fame. He does amazing repaints with his computer and they look incredibly realistic.
This one is really coming along. Maybe some rigging or landing gear soon!
Thanks for your comments....Dan :D
I'm going to have a look at his works.
Very interesting wheels, they look good. I know gray O-rings are produced, but was unable to get any till now, they should be easyer to handle as probably need not to be painted.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Thanks, Folks...It's really getting close now. I did some fixes tonight and added the exhaust stacks.
Fixes: the landing gear just looked way too spindly. I figured it was the mother of all ground loops just waiting to happen. So I did some measuring and it turns out that my spreader bar was indeed too narrow as supplied. So I just made a new one. You can see it and my calculations based on a 1/72nd scale drawing. I do think it looks marginally better. Now I need to fix my large wheels and the landing gear will be in good shape. ;)
The exhaust is just some paper and balsa sanded into the correct shape. Looks cool with that alto sax up front. A few more details and then rigging.
And Bob! I really did a lousy job showing the spinner being made on my latest video and it would be important to show folks how to get the petal cut-outs to work so I'm going to make a new one and show how I did it soon. The blades are just as per the instructions. Cut out and glued carefully and shaped into an airfoil. I didn't use the wire called for inside the blades and found it easier to just butt glue them to the spinner with a little trimming and niggling. Worked out ok in the end. No magic this time through! ;D
More soon,
Dan
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Got the new and improved wheels made. They are slightly smaller and look better. Now that the spreader bar is longer, that helps too.
More soon!
Dan
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Hi Dan,
It looks great up on it’s feet. Soon time for rigging.
Keep up the impressive paper work,
Kevin
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That looks awesome, Dan! What size O-rings did you use for the wheels? They are really neat. ;D
Best,
Bob
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Hey Dan ,
Nice job on the wheels and the spinner ! Not much left to go now but double check your inter strut , port side is backwards ;)
Terri
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Thanks Bob and Terri. I think my rudder is on the wrong side too! (That's for Terri) ::) And Bob: I ended up using size #12. Seemed a perfect fit!
I made the two radiator hoses/lines coming from the wing and going into the fuselage and connecting to the front of the fictitious engine. That one is from brass rod while the rear hose is from old ear bud wires. I also added the fuel lines from the gravity tank on the left side.
Major things left are the turnbuckles and rigging. Should be a doddle. ;D
Cheers,
Dan
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Very nice update, detailing looks more challenging on paper then for plastic models.
I've been visiting the Matt77 home page and it's really beautiful: thank you for advice.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Thanks so much, Giuseppe! Actually, some of the fine details I can't roll well in paper are just like some scratch building I do on plastic models. And the paper is actually very forgiving when it comes to punching holes in it to accept wires, rigging and pipes etc. So it's actually probably easier than working with plastic. You sure don't need any power drills and sanders! ;D
Well I got the basic rigging done as usual with EZ-line. I am going to try a new technique for turnbuckles and we'll see if I like it or not. It will just hint at them but we'll see how the final product looks. Really, it only needs a windshield, a plate on the tip of the spinner, seat belts and, I think, stiffeners on the stab. Super, super close now...
Cheers,
Dan
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That Pfalz is looking very nice Dan! Makes me marvel at the ability to turn one dimensional paper into a detailed and beautiful 3-D model of an aircraft. I'm eagerly anticipating each new video, too. The learning never stops! Thanks. I'm looking forward to the imminent finale on this one. What's next?
Best,
Bob
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I commented in the completed Models section so I will just say a Joy to follow this Outstanding build!
RAGIII
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Thanks so much, Rick...coming from you guys that really means a lot. Can't wait to figure out what I'll try next. Maybe something RFC. Very Teutonic on the piano right now... ;D ;)
Dan
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Great result Dan! I really enjoyed the video series as well.
RFC, huh? Ya know, there's a paper kit of a BE.2e that would be no match for your skills. ;D Just sayin'. ;) Seriously, I will enjoy whatever you tackle in PC10 or 12. Looking forward to it!
Best,
Bob
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I've been bad, guys...look what I found!
This might be next...it's a different designer and has the over-built underpinnings I like and Matt77-like rendering.
Oh, sweet mother...
Dan
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That looks really cool Dan. Go for it! I think I've watched that video.
Best,
Bob
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Hi Bob...
Me too. My wife just got me the same designer's Albatros and that's amazing too. This will be fun...
Dan
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Nice, Dan ... you are an artist.
Gene K
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That SPAD looks awesome. It will be great to have another SPAD build going !!
RAGIII