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Title: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on January 06, 2019, 12:07:40 PM: New year, new project.

I've scaled up the plans, it'll be a big one for sure...…………..I'll put some "thinking time" into the fuselage construction.

Mark

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/mV5vKO.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnmV5vKOj)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/b3UwNr.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmb3UwNrj)
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on January 06, 2019, 12:09:29 PM: I am using Image Shack, can someone tell me how to make the pictures show up in the thread?

Thanks in advance.

Mark
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: krow113 on January 06, 2019, 12:23:45 PM: Not sure about Ishack.
I use this one , not without figuring out how to post pics from it first. It seems all hosting sites have their own peculiarity's:
https://imgbb.com/
Good luck on the G I , canya get engines to suit from WNW?
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: rhwinter on January 06, 2019, 07:39:22 PM: Ah, that Gotha Ursunus? Great! I always liked this strange but interesting bird! I am afraid that, as soon as you're ready with your scratch-build of it, Wingnut Wings or Copper State Models will come up with a Gotha G1... Good luck! I will follow your project eagerly, Mark!
Richard
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on January 06, 2019, 10:27:04 PM: Thanks guys, I figured out the problem I was having with posting pictures, all is fine now.

OK, I've had to spend some time thinking about how to make the fuselage. I'm going to make it in two halves so I'll start with the rear of the fuselage.

There are some VERY complex shapes to deal with on the fuselage so I started out measuring and marking places to put formers in the top, side and bottom profiles at certain distances, I put more formers in areas that had more twist to the shape to give the outer shell more to hold on to when I glued it together.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/Utg6P4.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnUtg6P4j)

I cut out the bottom shape of the fuselage and made the formers making sure to number and mark the center line on each of them.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/1xGgbC.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pn1xGgbCj)

Once I had the formers glued and supported to the bottom, I turned it over to make sure the center lines on the tops of the formers matched up with the top profile

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/lqnNod.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/polqnNodj)

I used a piece of paper to make the sides at first because it could easily bend around the shapes, then I just traced it onto card stock and cut it out and glued to the sides.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/2pz3wx.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/po2pz3wxj)

After a little wait for the glue to dry, I flipped it over onto card stock and traced the top, cut it out, glued it and sanded the edges smooth.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/GM1Yiz.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmGM1Yizj)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/ylyU1L.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/plylyU1Lj)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/UMbs50.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/poUMbs50j)

This took pretty much the whole day to complete. I need to do a little more shaping but that pretty much took care of the rear of the fuselage.

The front of the fuselage presents entirely different challenges in respect to the shapes involved. More than likely I'll be making a wooden buck in the shape of the front fuselage to glue the card stock around it. We'll see...……..

Mark
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: lcarroll on January 07, 2019, 04:41:07 AM: Great progress already Mark, and a very ambitious and impressive project! We have some incredible projects on the go here on the Forum and your Gotha, along with Steve's "Super Build" of the WNW Version are stellar examples of the Modeller's art! A real pleasure to follow along!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: jeroen_R90S on January 07, 2019, 05:58:27 AM: Very cool -as Lance already wrote, very nice! Although WNW like to release offbeat aircraft, I can't really imagine them releasing a kit of this monster! :)
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on January 07, 2019, 08:52:44 AM: Quote from: lcarroll on January 07, 2019, 04:41:07 AM
Great progress already Mark, and a very ambitious and impressive project! We have some incredible projects on the go here on the Forum and your Gotha, along with Steve's "Super Build" of the WNW Version are stellar examples of the Modeller's art! A real pleasure to follow along!
Cheers,
Lance

Thanks Lance, I've really been wanting to build this one for a while now. I remember seeing a picture of three G.Is in a row on an airfield in a book many moons ago when I first started getting into WW1 aircraft and I have been fascinated with it since then. There is just something about the G.I design that speaks to me, I can't really put it into words. It saw service early on in the war but was not a particularly successful airframe but it did lead to the very successful subsequent Gotha bomber designs.

Quote from: jeroen_R90S on January 07, 2019, 05:58:27 AM
Very cool -as Lance already wrote, very nice! Although WNW like to release offbeat aircraft, I can't really imagine them releasing a kit of this monster! :)

Thanks Jeroen, that's what I was thinking too. There are a few different airframe versions and several cockpit variations so I figured that those facts might cut down on the chance WnW would release it but you never know. If they release one then I will build it too but beyond that I like a challenge to strengthen my building techniques and this is certainly proving to provide them.

Mark
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: Manni on January 07, 2019, 04:52:37 PM: You are a brave man to start this beautiful and interesting bomber. I will sit down and watch carefully to learn from your techniques. Thanks for showing.
Bye,
Manni
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: coyotemagic on January 08, 2019, 05:07:39 AM: I agree with Manni 100%, Mark! I'll be following closely, as this is my favorite Gotha type.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: Juan on January 08, 2019, 05:48:11 AM: Great start Mark, really looking forward to how this beauty progresses.
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: lone modeller on January 08, 2019, 08:16:31 AM: That is a really ambitious project, but if you have managed to make the basic fuselage shape in a day you are going to finish this relatively quickly. The standard that you have set is very high indeed, which means that this is going to be a truly impressive monster when it is finished.

I am looking forward to seeing more of this build, not least because I will be looking out for ideas to use on my own project.

Stephen.
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: Edo on January 08, 2019, 04:04:54 PM: wow! this is a great project for sure!
i’m in for the show!
ciao
edo
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on January 09, 2019, 08:36:14 AM: Thanks guys! I appreciate you looking in on the build and your kind comments!

I had time today to take out the scroll saw and work on the bottom of the front fuselage. Draw it and saw it.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/hC31KZ.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/plhC31KZj)

Sand everything mice and even...............

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/i9fiLh.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pli9fiLhj)

This is just the buck to form the plastic around so it has to be .030 smaller so that the plastic card on the outside of the buck will be the same width as the rear fuselage.

My plan is to make the bottom of the fuselage out of 3 pieces of plastic card, the bottom and two sides. I've never tried it this way before so we'll see. The difficult area will be the front of the fuselage. If all else fails then I'll vacuform it.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/af4Ito.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/plaf4Itoj)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/H59Bjr.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/poH59Bjrj)

Here you can gauge the size that it will be in it's final form.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/fTadNN.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnfTadNNj)

That's it for now, little by little. Thanks for looking in.

Mark
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on January 12, 2019, 10:02:17 AM: Hello everyone,

I was able to finish the bottom half of the front fuselage. I shaped the plastic around the wooden buck and added formers to the inside. Sorry for the dark picture, learning as I go.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/XJphwH.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmXJphwHj)

I need to do a little more work around the nose to smooth is out but it's nothing a little elbow grease won't fix.

And here it is mated to the rear fuselage, starting to look like a G.I now.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/dCej9x.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmdCej9xj)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/yQ4JqH.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmyQ4JqHj)

Here it is with the scale drawing, the fuselage doesn't match the drawing length because of how I'm standing and taking the picture but it is spot on with the drawing....

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/H75QXe.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/plH75QXej)

I am really enjoying this build.

Thanks for looking in,
Mark
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: RAGIII on January 12, 2019, 11:01:51 AM: Awesome scratch building work! Looks like you are off to a great start on this one!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: coyotemagic on January 12, 2019, 12:35:29 PM: Quote from: guitarlute101 on January 12, 2019, 10:02:17 AM

I am really enjoying this build.

So am I, Mark!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on January 12, 2019, 12:41:56 PM: Thanks Rick and Bud!
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: Juan on January 12, 2019, 11:43:33 PM: Your build is putting a smile on my face, she looks fantastic. Looking forward to your progress.
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on January 13, 2019, 11:09:30 PM: Thanks Juan, I'll be working on the upper front fuselage today so hopefully I'll have an update tonight if all goes well.

Mark
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: rhwinter on January 14, 2019, 02:10:47 AM: Looking forward to every update, Mark!

Cheers, Richard
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on January 14, 2019, 03:07:20 AM: Thanks Richard!

I've been pouring over the scale drawings, profile drawings and actual pictures for the rear of the upper front fuselage.

Here is the scale drawing and I've circled the area in question...

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/wkQOE0.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/plwkQOE0j)

It doesn't match up with pictures of the real thing, the real pictures show a gentle, tapered drop off instead of an angled one in the scale drawing to my eye.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/QJwzoL.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/poQJwzoLj)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/ZlLbRa.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/poZlLbRaj)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/QLJoQO.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnQLJoQOj)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/aiQVA7.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/plaiQVA7j)

I'll have to modify the drawings to correct it. Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Mark
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: hiddeous1973 on January 14, 2019, 03:35:19 AM: hmmm, looking at the pictures, it would seem there is indeed a differance compared with the drawings. The drawings has a raised part aft of the rearmost crewstation (is that the pilotseat?). Remove that from the drawings will give you a lower profile for the fairing and thus a gentlkes slope/curve.

just my 2 cents. btw, love your work, learning something new withevery post!!

Hidde
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: lcarroll on January 14, 2019, 03:46:19 AM: Mark,
The first two photos definitely contradict the drawing. The third, the more I stare at it, provides a possible match to the angular "drop" on the drawings to my eyes. Possibly this feature was finished differently on different airframes or my eyes are playing tricks on me in the last case. If I HAD to make a choice I'd construct it like the first two photos with a smooth gradual curve as opposed to the angular version on the drawings.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on January 14, 2019, 03:53:26 AM: Thanks for the replies Hidde and Lance, I'm going to go with a sloped rear decking. It might be my eyes tricking me but it seems like I see an angled decking on the 4th picture but who knows. It seems like there are variations on all the airframes but in different aspects.

Mark
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on January 14, 2019, 06:23:41 AM: Ok, so here are the formers for the front upper fuselage. Extreme care has to be taken to make sure the formers are EXACTLY the same size and are EXACTLY level on the top and sides so everything lines up perfectly so there are no surprises and nothing to fix later on.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/HxknBs.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmHxknBsj)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/hud3ZI.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmhud3ZIj)

And with the sides.....

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/DCvkyb.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnDCvkybj)

I think the best option I have for the rear section of the upper front fuselage is to vacu-form it. I will work on making the wood part to vacu-form over this week.

I also noticed that I should not have opened up the entire cockpit section, DOH!. I will have to put the top back on the back left and right corner areas but that's no big deal.

At this point, I need to do some filling and cleanup with what I have done so far. I also need to order more plastic card!

Thanks for looking in!
Mark
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on January 18, 2019, 02:38:02 PM: A quick update,

The fuselage is primed and everything is smoothed out nicely and I've drilled preliminary holes for the wing attachment points.....

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/QXPgKR.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/plQXPgKRj)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/YCSP1W.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmYCSP1Wj)

I'll have to add the reinforcing strips later after I've completed the rest of the upper fuselage.

Thanks for checking in,
Mark
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: Borsos on January 18, 2019, 03:36:08 PM: That’s a really lovely project on a very special machine and you are doing it with great skills. I really love it!
Best regards
Andreas
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: lone modeller on January 19, 2019, 05:13:41 AM: Given the size of this model your finish on all parts is strikingly good. Your comment about getting things exactly in line is so important - in this scale even very small errors really look obvious.

Stephen.
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: Edo on January 19, 2019, 05:33:00 PM: wow! it seems perfect to me....
great job!
ciao
edo
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on January 21, 2019, 02:24:09 AM: Thanks for the input guys! I really appreciate it.

I've been working on how to finish off the fuselage top and there are some issues I will have to deal with.

Here is the drawing that I am working from. The problem is that large center gun ring.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/YtmSkv.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/poYtmSkvj)

None of the pictures of the real aircraft show this arrangement. The drawing seems to be fictional (or based on a factory drawing that was modified at a later time?). All of the pictures I've seen have an offset to port center gun ring/station. Not sure, but again, I'll be going with the pictures as best as I can. Here is an early G.I version with a seat but no gun ring.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/rOT97U.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/porOT97Uj)

I've decided to do G.I 42/15 "Feodora". Here is its gun ring arrangement.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/UEbqWP.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnUEbqWPj)

It looks to be offset with a modified section that hangs a little over the fuselage side to accommodate the gun ring like this picture.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/6dD6FQ.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pm6dD6FQj)

And a side view, maybe not the same aircraft..

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/YDzKXY.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/plYDzKXYj)

A little more thinking and experimenting and I'll be back with an update.

Thanks,
Mark
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on January 21, 2019, 07:29:13 AM: Hey guys,

Well, you know, somedays it's just one step forward and two steps back. While working out the arrangement of the center section I noticed that it was too far forward and the cockpit was too far back on the drawings when compared to the pictures of the real thing. So I had to do some internal rearranging of the supports.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/6ar2pD.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/po6ar2pDj)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/xOOl8y.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/poxOOl8yj)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/bWXTNN.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmbWXTNNj)

I feel confident that everything is in it's correct spot now (although I should have caught that much sooner).

BTW, the sectioned off area on the starboard side of the center section was where the fuel tank was located.

So if anything else, today was just a side step instead of a step ahead with my project although I did have time to make the top area for the front gun ring.

Little by little,

Mark
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: lcarroll on January 21, 2019, 10:40:32 AM: Great work and looking very fine so far Mark. This is a very challenging project and to this point is going extremely well due to your skills and particularly your attention to the research effort. I'm really enjoying following your progress!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: Manni on January 21, 2019, 04:29:34 PM: Great work. So accurate and clean.
Bye,
Manni
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on January 22, 2019, 09:18:18 AM: Thanks for the kind words and encouragement Lance and Manni!

Mark
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: Borsos on January 22, 2019, 03:13:19 PM: Fantastic work on the fuselage. accurate and clean like Manni said. My deepest respect!
Best regards
Andreas
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: rhwinter on January 22, 2019, 04:06:12 PM: Wow, Mark, true artistic craftmanship! And I really like this ugly bird.
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on January 22, 2019, 09:42:21 PM: Thanks guys! I appreciate it. Slowly but surely I'm making progress.

I adjusted the scale drawing to the best of my ability to reflect the upper top fuselage more accurately in regards to period photographs. I moved the cockpit forward and drew in the center section.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/vdOm1R.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/plvdOm1Rj)

Mark
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on January 27, 2019, 07:45:44 AM: A little update, not much time to work on it this week and I still need to order some .02 and .03 styrene sheet.

The rectangle and triangle shapes to the rear are the bases for the balsa wood to vacu-form over and the half circle near the front will be built up with a small piece of balsa and vacu-formed too.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/zzekxf.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnzzekxfj)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/MFZwZZ.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmMFZwZZj)

You can see the areas near the back of the cockpit that I need to fill back in because I opened up the entire cockpit area but this is not a problem..

Mark
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: RAGIII on January 27, 2019, 12:17:36 PM: Mark,
You are truly producing a first class scratch build here! I am Gob Smacked :o
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on February 07, 2019, 03:38:51 AM: Thank you Rick, I appreciate it!

Mark
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on February 07, 2019, 03:39:49 AM: Some progress on the cockpit covered area. Still a little shaping to do around the cockpit opening.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/u4i6Fo.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmu4i6Foj)

It was definitely some work for me but I'm very happy with the result so far.

Thanks for looking in, I appreciate it,

Mark
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: jeroen_R90S on February 07, 2019, 05:53:01 AM: I can imagine that, that looks really good! In fact, my non-scratchbuild model kits look messy-er in this stage...!
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: ermeio on February 07, 2019, 11:40:49 PM: You are making a great model
I will continue to follow this build with interest
er me
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: Juan on February 08, 2019, 12:26:24 AM: Looks fantastic Mark, enjoying your scratch building immensely.
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: lone modeller on February 08, 2019, 02:20:33 AM: This is scratch building of the highest order and no mistake. The quality of your moulds and joints is truly stunning - better than any kit!

Stephen.
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: Bughunter on February 08, 2019, 09:02:05 AM: Wow, that is scratch building as art!
The Gotha is ugly, but your model is a beauty :)
I will watch for sure.

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: GAJouette on February 08, 2019, 11:04:47 AM: Mark,
Playing catch up once again. Absolutely beautiful work my old friend. Very impressive as always.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: Manni on February 08, 2019, 04:34:32 PM: Wonderful shapes. The precision with which you work is simply overwhelming.
Bye,
Manni
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: gbrivio on February 08, 2019, 10:27:06 PM: Great build so far, looking forward for updates.
Ciao
Giuseppe
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on February 09, 2019, 11:00:49 AM: Thanks everyone, I appreciate the very kind words and encouragement!

More work on the fuselage and the horizontal stabilizer and elevator this weekend so I should have an update on Sunday.

Thanks so much for following along.

Mark
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: rhwinter on February 09, 2019, 05:15:38 PM: Looking forward to that update, Mark!
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on February 18, 2019, 11:03:15 AM: Quote from: rhwinter on February 09, 2019, 05:15:38 PM
Looking forward to that update, Mark!

Many, many thanks for the kind words everybody!!

It's coming along, fill a little, sand a little, taking more time than I though for this middle gun ring section. I'm more please with how it's looking each day, will post as soon as I feel it looks right.

Thanks for looking in,
Mark
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: RAGIII on February 20, 2019, 01:00:14 PM: Quote from: jeroen_R90S on February 07, 2019, 05:53:01 AM
I can imagine that, that looks really good! In fact, my non-scratchbuild model kits look messy-er in this stage...!

Mine also! Beautiful construction Mark!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on February 27, 2019, 08:33:41 AM: Ok, so it took a bit longer than I thought. ;D The center section has been the most difficult part so far. I've relied on the picture documentation and have it pretty close.

I made the top part to be removable at first so I can paint and detail the interior before gluing everything together.....

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/p2RxDw.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmp2RxDwj)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/METl36.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/poMETl36j)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/8TAqHI.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pl8TAqHIj)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/buw1PQ.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmbuw1PQj)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/Ap9VlW.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/poAp9VlWj)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/gPIYrM.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/plgPIYrMj)

So far so good, next, I'll finish up the cockpit area walls and seat area and probably move on to the tail area.

Thanks so much for checking in,

Mark
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: lcarroll on February 27, 2019, 12:33:06 PM: True artistry Mark, the component fits are as good or better then most "high end" Kits! This is outstanding modelling and a pleasure to follow..... great work!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on February 27, 2019, 01:15:58 PM: Thanks Lance! Having a lot of fun with this build.

Mark
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: rhwinter on February 27, 2019, 09:43:15 PM: Wow! Stunning, indeed! I always liked this somewhat strange bird an am happy to see you tackling it, Mark! (As Wingnut Wings don't do it, someone has to do it, haha!)
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: Juan on February 27, 2019, 10:19:51 PM: Beautifully done Mark, agree with Lance's statement.
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: lone modeller on February 28, 2019, 05:04:46 AM: There are some complex curves and fittings there - very well executed and what a good fit! I wish that my parts would fit half as well!

Stephen.
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: Thumbs up on February 28, 2019, 05:42:43 PM: Hi Mark,I echo all the statements above! It's like watching a top quality kit being constructed!As an aside being a Tele fan your blue Telecaster is stunning,love that colour and wear!
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on March 03, 2019, 12:18:08 AM: Thanks guys! I sincerely appreciate everyone taking time to look in and be encouraging.

Moving on to the tail today, looks pretty straight ahead. The most difficult part will probably be the alignment. The tail was integrated into the lower rear fuselage rather than just tacked onto the fuselage so I'll have to be very careful there.

More soon,
Mark
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on March 04, 2019, 03:54:23 AM: I was able to finish up the majority of the tail area. As you can see in the period pictures, the tail and fins were plain with no ribbing. I'm assuming They were plywood covered structures from the looks of it.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/vA12Pp.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmvA12Ppj)

I made the horizontal tail and edged it in half round rod. I find that this gives the edge a nice profile rather than trying to eyeball it and hand sand it half round.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/vJAdEj.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmvJAdEjj)

I made hinges so that the tail and fins would be articulated

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/cOkS3h.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pncOkS3hj)

And here is the tail temporarily taped into place. You can see that distinctive tail fin shape the Gotha G.I was known for.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/CeENTX.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmCeENTXj)

The tail area still needs some priming and finishing but I'm pretty happy with it at this point.

And here is a shot of the fuselage as of today. A lot of work and a lot of fun.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/fwzSSq.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pofwzSSqj)

Still some more work in the cockpit areas so more to come later.

Thanks for looking in,

Mark
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: gbrivio on March 04, 2019, 07:32:38 AM: The curved cockpit area is amazing, really well moulded and shaped. Great progress.
Ciao
Giuseppe
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: RAGIII on March 04, 2019, 09:09:20 AM: The tail looks great! You are continuing to make an Impressive Scratch build!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on March 07, 2019, 12:13:24 AM: Thanks Guiseppe and Rick, I appreciate you looking in.

Mark
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: Gene K on March 07, 2019, 12:30:20 AM: Quote from: guitarlute101 on March 04, 2019, 03:54:23 AM
I made hinges so that the tail and fins would be articulated
Mark,
Could you give some detail on how you did the hinges, please?

Gene K
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on March 07, 2019, 10:31:15 AM: Quote from: Gene K on March 07, 2019, 12:30:20 AM
Quote from: guitarlute101 on March 04, 2019, 03:54:23 AM
I made hinges so that the tail and fins would be articulated
Mark,
Could you give some detail on how you did the hinges, please?

Gene K

Sure will Gene, I'll get some pictures ready soon, it's very easy, stay tuned.

Mark
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: Alexis on March 07, 2019, 11:10:39 AM: Your progress is going extremely well so far Mark , looking forward on on your next update . :)

Terri
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on March 22, 2019, 01:11:13 PM: Wingnut Wings just announced they are releasing a Gotha G.I and UWD! Excellent!! It is a great time to be a WW1 modeler.

Not to fear, I will be continuing and finishing my scratch build. I just received the last of the goodies I needed for the cockpit today! So excited about it!

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/0ZkQZl.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pm0ZkQZlj)

More soon,

Mark

PS, I haven't forgotten about you Gene, will post soon.
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: Manni on March 22, 2019, 03:48:33 PM: This makes me happy, Mark. One of my first thoughts when I say the WNW announcement was: I hope Mark won't stop his great scratchbuild.
Great work.
Bye,
Manni
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: hiddeous1973 on March 22, 2019, 03:57:30 PM: It might even help, with the pictures and the rest of the instructions from WnW as a guide to some details?
Wonderfull work, you do an amazing job with this one!!
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: bobs_buckles on March 22, 2019, 05:06:35 PM: Glad you're continuing with this project, Mark.
Going great guns!

Cheers,
Bob von B :)
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: RAGIII on March 22, 2019, 10:55:15 PM: I am joining the others Mark in saying I am glad you are continuing with this beauty!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: Borsos on March 22, 2019, 10:57:26 PM: This was, is and will be a very special and professional build on the highest possible level. Good to see you keeping up the great work!
Andreas
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: Juan on March 23, 2019, 12:31:57 AM: Glad you are moving on with this beauty, I know WNW had this in the works for a while, but credit your inspirational build with having them release this model.
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on March 23, 2019, 02:17:26 AM: Thanks everyone!

I've been putting some thought into my build now and I think I'll be amending it a little.

I will definitely be building the WnW Gotha G.I, I am so impressed that they have released it for everyone to enjoy! Just so I don't have an overlapping build I will be changing mine slightly to model the 1st incarnation of the G.I called the "Friedel-Ursinus Type FU". This way I can have the Friedel and the G.I in my collection.

WnWs release of the Gotha G.I is perfect timing for the stage that I am at in my build as I can easily convert it to the FU without much modification at this point in my build. I am very pleased with how accurate I was able to make the center cockpit area in comparison to the WnW kit and instructions but the FU version had a few variations.

The FU had a different cockpit covering, engines, tail and wings than the G.I.

The cockpit covering was a simpler design and there were a few redesigns along the way.

One particular variation is the engines. The first version had the radiator in the engine nacelle and the nacelle was a little "boxy"

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/Rro1Dw.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/poRro1Dwj)

I'm going to go with the second version with exposed engines and Hazlet radiators so I can really detail them up.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/amVWEw.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnamVWEwj)

Onward and upward!

Thanks so much for looking in and the encouragement!

Mark
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: lone modeller on March 23, 2019, 05:58:13 AM: With exposed engines and radiators that is going to be quite a challenge - and quite a model when finished!

Stephen.
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: Trackpad on March 23, 2019, 07:39:11 AM: Hello, Mark,

Congratulations on your project to date. Excellent work that puts me so far into the shade that I need a spotlight at high noon! Best of luck to you as you move on with this most enjoyable build: your enjoyment to build and our enjoyment to watch how you do it. 8)
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: gbrivio on March 23, 2019, 04:28:02 PM: It's a courageous decision to increase the challenge of this build with so many additional details. On what you already made I'm sure it will be something really special. Great choice!
Ciao
Giuseppe
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: RAGIII on March 24, 2019, 04:27:22 AM: Excellent idea! Your skills are sure to pull off a winner!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: guitarlute101 on March 26, 2019, 07:10:10 AM: Thanks everyone,

I've spent a few days looking at the Ursinus and am still not quite sure about how the control lines for the flying surfaces are arranged for it.

I think I will be putting the build in a short holding pattern for now with the hopes that Windsock will release a "Gotha at War" volume that has more pictures or even better, detailed scale drawings! If nothing pops up in that department soon then I'll just continue the build the best I can.

More soon,
Mark
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: Lozenge on June 03, 2019, 04:17:20 PM: Hy Mark, great work you do. If you are going to paint the switches in brass, I can just say: Do use one of the Citardel colours with their fine metallic pigmentation... it's the finest without spraying in a deco acryl metal.

Great work you do! Thanks for sharing your results from your hobbyrooms silentium.
Title: Re: 1/32 Gotha G.I Scratchbuild
Post by: Alexis on August 11, 2019, 09:57:58 PM: How goes the battle on this one ?

Terri