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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: Pete Nottingham on December 13, 2013, 01:36:49 AM
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I've decided to go for a change this time to get me back in to the swing of things, I'm having a rest from Albies and Mercedes engines and going for Max Immelmann's Fokker E.1 (Early) Eindecker with a Taurus Oberursel U.0 engine, the kit has shipped from WnW, so we await its arrival.
Cheers
Pete.
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Looking forward to watching it unfold...
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Looking forward to watching it unfold...
Gonna give it a good try Bo.
Cheers
Pete.
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Can't wait to see how you bring those silky skills to this one.
Best wishes
Nigel
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Can't wait to see how you bring those silky skills to this one.
Best wishes
Nigel
Thanks Nigel, but I don't know where you get the 'silky skills' bit from, more like a rough old bit of sandpaper.
Cheers
Pete.
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Hello Pete:
Silky skills or Rough Sandpaper, either way, I am looking forward to your build log. I am almost ready to do one, I keep getting distracted by the Fokker DVII's, DH9's and Snipes. :o I almost have the machining on the cowlings down. Once I have that, I will start one. Looking forward to seeing yours.
BEst
Mark
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Look forward to seeing yours as well, good luck.
Cheers
Pete.
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I am also looking forward to your build!
RAGIII
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Pete,
That´s nice. It will be the first WNW E.I here. So I am very anxious to see it coming alive here. You may need a cowl from Ron if you are fitting the Taurus engine (which is a stunning model, I have already recieved the kit from Lukasz). I understood that the WNW E.II and E.III cowl didn't fit over the Taurus U.I.
regards,
Ivo
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Hi Ivo;
Thanks for the heads up on the cowl, but it seems Ron does an EIII cowl, is this the same as the cowl on the EI?
Cheers
Pete.
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No, it's not. I'm not absolutely sure though, so I'll have to check. The U.1 is a 9 cylinder version of the U.0, which is a 7 cylinder. The rest is thesame, so perhaps the cowl does fit. The E.IV cowl is definitly different, as the U.III has two rows of cylinders.
regards,
Ivo
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Or you can thin it yourself ;)
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I think this could be a case of 'suck it and see', time will tell.
Cheers guys
Pete.
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Looking forward to this one Pete.
I really like the Eindekker and have the WNW E.I, EII/III early, and EIV in my stash. Am considering a triple build but will definitely be following you I think...
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Oh boy, the first E.I on the forum, no pressure then :-\
Cheers
Pete.
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I'm happy to hear of your next project, Pete, and am looking forward
to following your build. With your talents, it should be very informative.
Onward and upward! :D
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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No, it's not. I'm not absolutely sure though, so I'll have to check. The U.1 is a 9 cylinder version of the U.0, which is a 7 cylinder. The rest is thesame, so perhaps the cowl does fit. The E.IV cowl is definitly different, as the U.III has two rows of cylinders.
regards,
Ivo
hmm.I guess that the E.I cooling had a diferent and smaller diameter then the E.II/III that had the same Oberursel 100hp engine. The E.I cooling was attached to the frame in 3 points and the E.II/E.III was attached in four points.
If you note in some pics from the E.I to the E.II/III this last will have a more rounded upper metal cooling (the one just in front of the pilot) to match the bigger diameter of the engine cooling, but well let's wait and see hum? Source: Fokker Eindecker Compendium 2
Cheers
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Hi guys;
I think I can only wait and see what happens during the build, my only small niggle is that the manufacturers of these stunning after market add ons don't take in to account the fit of the models they are intended for, gripe over.
Cheers
Pete.
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Pete,
Get on with it, or Mr Buckles will come knocking! ;D
VB
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Pete,
Get on with it, or Mr Buckles will come knocking! ;D
VB
Bobsie me ol' Buckle, I'll get started as soon as the kit arrives.
Cheers
Pete von Spandau
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Just a couple of pics, still waiting for the kit and engine to arrive.
This is the beastie I'm hoping to do.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/brodiedog/Fokker%20EI/e101_zps9cbe1a5c.jpg)
And the engine.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/brodiedog/Fokker%20EI/d3217-oberursel-u-0-engine_zps0d517cab.jpg)
Cheers
Pete.
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Nice choice Pete!
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I agree Bo. I've been toying with getting one of the WnW Fokker scourge quartet - and this would be the one I'd go for. So this will be a very interesting construction log for me to watch, Pete. Good luck with it.
Best wishes
Nigel
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I'll try my best.
Cheers
Pete.
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This Taurus` s engine is great isn`t it?
I`m really looking forward to follow your build mate!
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Thanks Filip.
Cheers
Pete.
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Indeed Pete this engine is great. Looking forward for your build. And it will be fantastic I'm shure.
Kind regards
Patrick
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The project begins, the Uberursel arrived today, oh boy! what have I let myself in for, all those parts and so small as well, the photos are very misleading you have no idea how small it is, looks like it will be an apre Chrimbo start now.
Cheers
Pete.
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Hello Pete:
The pressure is on now. All eyes are upon you as you work your skills! I have a couple of the Taurus engines and I almost went apoplectic upon viewing them!!! Yikes! Good luck Pete.
Best Wishes for your Christmas and New Year!
Mark
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Great choice of subject Pete, my E.1 still sits in my stash, I also got the Taurus engine, it is an incredible little kit, I will wait to see how you build yours ;)
Des.
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Great choice of subject Pete, my E.1 still sits in my stash, I also got the Taurus engine, it is an incredible little kit, I will wait to see how you build yours ;)
Des.
Hello Pete:
The pressure is on now. All eyes are upon you as you work your skills! I have a couple of the Taurus engines and I almost went apoplectic upon viewing them!!! Yikes! Good luck Pete.
Best Wishes for your Christmas and New Year!
Mark
Thanks guys, no pressure then :o :-\, I'll have a go.
Cheers
Pete.
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Nothing to it, Pete. As long as you can find the parts....good gravy they are tiny!
Luckily you're just the fellow to master this project. Enjoy! :D
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Thanks Ernie.
Cheers
Pete.
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I got my fokkers last week the cowlings are not the same thinning the as we speak ;)
Regards Ron
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Thanks for the heads up Ron.
Well I've made a start on the Uberursel, first impressions, as everybody has said the detail is superb, if in some cases moniscule, the resin is medium hardness so is very easy to cut, also Taurus put pieces on the sprue in such a way that they can be painted before they are removed from the sprue, this makes life so much easier with the minute components.
All in all I'm well pleased.
Cheers
Pete.
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Parcelfarce have just struck, received a letter this morning demanding £10.30 VAT + £8.00 handling charge = £18.30, however the E.I should be here Tuesday.
Onwards and upwards.
Cheers
Pete.
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Same thing around here Pete. When I receive a package from WnW the VAT and handeling are about 1/3 of the kits price. And I am Lucky if the kits are not opened. Good luck with the build! I'm sure it's going to be awfully nice.
Kind regards
Patrick
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Thanks Patrick.
Cheers
Pete.
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Great start on the engine, I cut the parts out, glued the back plate on, now the prop shaft, put some more CA on the strip I use, went to pick up the prop shaft, it had disappeared totally, I've searched every where but it has vanished completely, hopefully not all is lost as I might be able to utilise the prop shaft that comes in the kit.
Cheers
Pete.
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Pete,
Hopefully your work around with the Kit shaft will work; do it and then the missing bit will appear, when no longer needed! (that's the way it works on my bench at least!)
Good luck.
Cheers,
Lance
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Thanks Lance, but it gets better, cutting out the cylinder heads, six down, great, one to go, PING, off up the worktop like a rocket, it went in to a space with walls on to 2 sides, could I find it, no chance, anyway I've e-mailed Lucasz and he is sending me replacements after New Year, things can only get better, I hope.
Cheers
Pete.
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Sorry to hear that Pete. All these little parts have a will of their own don't they. Best is to take a little distance and the next day you find your part by accident. Good luck Pete and a very healthy and successful 2014!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Don't you just hate it when things like that happen, that horrible sight of seeing a part "ping" off into the distance never to be seen again, my carpet monster is very well fed. I have the same Taurus engine sitting in my E.I box, so I will be following very to closely every word you say Pete, not just the engine build but the E.I kit as well.
Des.
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Pete,
You've really started a trend here; last night I was cutting valve springs off the base (Taurus Mercedes DIIIa Kit for a Pfalz) and launched one like a bullet straight out the door of my cave. I know it went that way because the dog was laying outside the doorway and he immediately jumped up and looked, of course, down the hall. Given the expanded search area I didn't look for very long............ Thankfully Taurus includes a few spares.
Not to hijack your Thread however I just need to vent and also confirm that you are not alone. There`s a market for pingless tweezers and hobby knives; whoever invents one or both will quickly become a very wealthy modeller!
Cheers,
Lance
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Thanks guys, I think I will have to wait and compare the kit shaft with the Taurus one as the Taurus prop shaft did look a little on the thin side for fitting the prop and boss in the kit, I will wait and see.
Cheers
Pete.
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The kit arrived yesterday lunchtime, the first impressions were that it was up to the usual WnW high standard, it seems that some of the parts are even more delicate than ever, so I'm going to have to be very careful cutting them off the sprues, the sprues have had their soapy bath and are drying now, then the build can start.
Cheers
Pete.
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Glad to hear the Eindecker arrived safely, Pete. You seem to have the
Uberursel well in hand except for the flying prop shaft. ;) ;D Looking
forward to seeing the engine. I am a bit leery of the Taurus engine, not because
of the workmanship, which I think is phenomenal, but the teeny parts. Have you,
after working with it, any suggestions or tips for building it?
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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I am a bit leery of the Taurus engine, not because
of the workmanship, which I think is phenomenal, but the teeny parts. Have you,
after working with it, any suggestions or tips for building it?
Cheers,
Ernie :)
Hi Ernie, like you say, a lot of the parts are almost microscopic, if you take great care and time it looks as though it will build up in to a great model, I've had to take some time off from it what with New Year and I've had to get some new epoxy glue, mine was so old that the caps were solid on the tubes.
Cheers
Pete.
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I am a bit leery of the Taurus engine, not because
of the workmanship, whih I think is phenomenal, but the teeny parts. Have you,
after working with it, any suggestions or tips for building it?
Cheers,
Ernie :)
Hi Ernie!
Don't be affraid to start building this engine. In the case of any dammaging I can send You repeacment :)
I built this with any "losses", so everybody is able to do it. Take care only in the case of removing of valve rockers - do this with the help of REALLY SHARP (olfa) knife. Rest is easy. I'll try to put into my WWW detailed instruction soon (I need to finish it...) witch all tips and tricks.
Cheers, Lukasz
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Thanks for the thoughts, Pete and Lukasz. I guess it's a matter of
warming up the optivisor and diving in. ;) ;D
I appreciate the help fellows. Onward and upward, Pete!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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As Lukasz has said it is just the valve rockers you need to take real care with, he has promised to send me replacement parts for my lost bits.
Cheers
Pete.
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Hi guys;
I've had to come to a serious decision, I'm going to have to give up the fine detailing on models, it seems as though I am unable to do it any more, however I will still be doing my WWI aircraft and will do the detailing I still can.
I will be 69 next month and it seems the fine detailing is causing me a lot of stress when the hobby should be fun.
Many thanks to Lukasz for the help he has given me on the Uberursal engine, but unfortunately it now seems beyond me, so it's back to the WnW engine.
Are well tears are over, back to the E.1, updates will follow as soon as poss.
Cheers
Pete.
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Hi Pete.
This can't have been an easy decision for you and it's one that wil surely come to us all. At 64, I'm beginning to curse clumsiness on my part.
When you say that the hobby should be fun, you are so right. If for me that means finishing a model from the box without additional fine detail or reaching the highest of standards we see here, then so be it. Just because the amazing fine detail exists doesn't mean we have to use it.
Let's celebrate the pleasure we get from completing a model, even if we know that five-ten years ago we could have taken it further.
Best wishes
Nigel
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So sorry to read that Pete! Is it your eyes? Or handling the microscopic pieces? I agree with you that it has still to be fun and at 68 you need not to have any stress anymore. Keep enjoying this wonderful hobby and keep up the spirit my friend. We are all there for you.
Kind regards
Patrick
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Thanks guys.
Hi Patrick, the eyes still seem ok although I do use the glasses you can get quite cheaply for reading, I tend to use the 3.5x magnification, it seems to be the handling of the small parts that is becoming more and more difficult these days.
Cheers
Pete.
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Hi Pete,
Wouldn't the adhesive pencil from Radubstore be of any help? Or did you already try that?
http://www.radubstore.com/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=434
Cheers
Patrick
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Hi Pete,
Wouldn't the adhesive pencil from Radubstore be of any help? Or did you already try that?
http://www.radubstore.com/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=434
Cheers
Patrick
Thanks Patrick, I'll give it some thought.
Cheers
Pete.
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I feel for your dilemma, Pete. I just turned 65 and I feel my teeny days are
pretty-well behind me. I think my fingers have grown 2 sizes larger and my
clumsy-meter is rising. I'm of the same mind...if it isin't fun any more, try
another way that is. OK, preaching over, back to the Eindecker, my friend. ;) :D
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Whoa Guys, are we really all that old?!? I'll hit 70 :( in May so I feel very much a part of this conversation/dilemma. Several of the comments here are very well stated; if it's detail that is reducing the enjoyment factor then less detail is OK with me. Fat fingers, clumsy, can't remember where you put that tiny piece for safe keeping when it fell off the sprue...............you're talking to him, I'm almost hopeless at times!
A while back I told the tale of the really old Gent I met in my Mother's Care Home; he did ships, hadn't produced anything in years but still (mid 80's to 90) had his stuff all laid out in his room and would talk intelligently for hours about his next plan/project. He was still enjoying his hobby!
If nothing else I take comfort in the fact that, as my eyes get worse or fingers fatter, the same restrictions prevent me from really seeing the reduced quality of the product; "works for me"!!
So, each to his own solution; I sense we all are still having a lot of fun at this and enjoyment is alive and doing very well! It's either that or I'm deluding myself due to misery liking company! ::)
Cheers,
Lance
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It's supposed to be fun. Plenty of fun to be had painting and weathering, the WNW detail
and accuracy is more than enough OOB unless you are examining the model under magnification or macro photography. Carry on, we're pulling for you
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Thanks for the comments guys.
Cheers
Pete.
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Hello Pete:
I am in the same age group, turning 65 in February and have noticed that things that used to be quite simple are a bit more complex. Like Lance, I can't remember where I put my nice PE Bezels. So, I have to get some more. (Now if I can remember where I got them from). Your attitude towards this is a positive one, and you can still turn out great models without the extra super detailing. I have spent a lot of money on after market super detailing stuff only to put it away as it isn't worth the effort and it takes the fun out of it.
That being written, I am looking forward to seeing you progress through your Eindecker.
Best
Mark
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I am 45 and I struggle with some of the PE detailing. I have the HGW super detail set for the Tripe I am building, but the original WNW parts are good enough mostly for me to barely use the accessories!
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At the moment I am working on the WnW kit Uberursal and have managed the Taurus spark plugs ok so all is not lost, however Senior Management ::) is in full decorating mode at the moment so building time is limited, but I am progressing slowly.
Cheers
Pete.
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At the moment I am working on the WnW kit Uberursal and have managed the Taurus spark plugs ok so all is not lost, however Senior Management ::) is in full decorating mode at the moment so building time is limited, but I am progressing slowly.
Cheers
Pete.
Good to hear you are making progress, Pete. I admire your perseverance , my friend.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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At last an update, not much I know, I've started on the Uberursal engine and just sprayed it with grey primer.
Oh the pleasures of macro photography, it wasn't until after I had taken the photo's of the engine that in one of them a hair has shown itself, now looking at the engine normally you can't even see it, however it has now been removed.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/brodiedog/Fokker%20EI/e102_zps4362b2c1.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/brodiedog/Fokker%20EI/e103_zps7d946bfd.jpg)
There are 7 rocker arms and push rods, but they all look the same.
Cheers
Pete.
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Nice progress Pete, well done. You know very wise words are said here, and you guys should be glad having had a briljant past in modeling, while I started this fantastic hobby while my eyesight was already going down and my motoric abilities were deteriorating. So keep up the spirit Pete, there are always worse cases than the one your in. Your work obviously shows this.
Kind regards
Patrick
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Thanks Patrick.
A quick question guys, on the Uberursal engine, the spark plug leads, should they go from the say cylinder 1 to the contact immediately below cylinder 1, or should they be offset and go from cylinder 1 to the contact below cylinder 2?
I think I have seen both methods, I was wondering which was correct.
Cheers
Pete.
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Pete, according to the drawing in the WS Eindecker compendium vol 1, the former is correct, l(ead goes to contact immediately below cylinder.)
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Pete, according to the drawing in the WS Eindecker compendium vol 1, the former is correct, l(ead goes to contact immediately below cylinder.)
Many thanks Bo, that's the way I'll do it.
Cheers
Pete.
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I have finally completed the engine, I'm quite pleased with the kit engine, all I've done extra is use the Taurus spark plugs and added some copper wire spark plug leads.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/brodiedog/Fokker%20EI/e104_zps2f8b60e0.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/brodiedog/Fokker%20EI/e105_zpsb0e839fb.jpg)
I was wondering what you guys thought was suitable as regards the weathering, now for an inline engine we normally put on oil streaks etc. etc. but as this is a rotary engine and they put out a thin spray of caster oil, the engine would have been covered with an overall coat of thin oil, what do you think?
Cheers
Pete.
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Pete,
Outstanding progress my old friend. Love the additional details you've added to her engine. Keep up the great work,looking forward to seeing more.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Magnificent engine Pete. That's a great start for a beautiful build. Keep up the good work my friend!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Many thanks guys.
Cheers
Pete.
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That is really good work on the engine, Pete! You are making great use of the
Taurus parts and the sparkplug leads look very good. I think the weathering/staining
is right on. Keep up the good work, my friend. Well done!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Hello Pete:
The engine looks great, if you are looking for a more weathered appearance, maybe a thin wash of brown or burnt umber around the crank case would give it the oily look you are after. Brown water colors might work too and easier to clean off it you don't like it.
This is coming along nicely Pete and I am looking forward to seeing your progress through the build.
Best
Mark
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The engine looks great, Pete! Looking forward to the next update.
Cheers,
Bud
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Looking good so far Pete :)
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Many thanks for the comments guys.
Cheers
Pete.
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this is a rotary engine and they put out a thin spray of caster oil, the engine would have been covered with an overall coat of thin oil, what do you think?
Jamo recently posted some great pictures of a greasy Monosoupape (http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=2929.0)
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Thanks for the link Bo, most helpful.
Cheers
Pete.
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Next update, preparing the parts for the base of the cockpit, next step is a coat of grey primer.
Just a quick heads up, some of us have thought that some parts on the Albie DV were delicate, you aint seen nothin' yet, WnW have excelled themselves with thin parts on the E.I.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/brodiedog/Fokker%20EI/e106_zps14ef1bbb.jpg)
Cheers
Pete.