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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: RLWP on April 23, 2018, 09:43:06 PM
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Another WNW build, and another one for me too. I really have far too many projects on the go
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/roland-c-ii/Progress-1.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/roland-c-ii/Progress-2.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/roland-c-ii/Progress-3.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/roland-c-ii/Progress-4.JPG)
This is the 'Early' kit lightly modified to represent a 'plane from the second batch. I'm trying to keep this build quick and simple
Richard
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You're off to a good start on this one. Looks like a 'modern' radio next to the rear seat. Is that what the equipment is?
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Telefunken radio, from memory. The aeroplane has a trailing aerial operated by the observer
Richard
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Looking excellent Richard! As for too many projects I am with there with you 8)
RAGIII
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Looking nice and tidy.
No extra a/m?
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Looking nice and tidy.
No extra a/m?
Pair of Gaspatch guns, scratchbuilt roll-over frame, scrounged PUW bomb rack. Not much
Richard
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Roland Walfisch: My most-loved baby of those WW1 aeroplanes since boyhood days..! Looking forward to see your Walfisch coming together! Looking goood, so far!
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Richard,
Excellent first progress my old friend. Keep up the excellence!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Great interiors, great start. I will follo with interest.
Giuseppe
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Roland Walfisch: My most-loved baby of those WW1 aeroplanes since boyhood days..! Looking forward to see your Walfisch coming together! Looking goood, so far!
I think this is nostalgia brought on by building the Airfix kit as a lad:
(http://www.vintage-airfix.com/images/Type%203%20Dog%20Fight%20-%20Roland%20CII%20and%20RE8.jpg)
http://www.vintage-airfix.com/airfix/dog-fight-doubles-172/roland-ii-and-re8-p-262.html
Richard
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Looking good Richard. Will follow along.
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Whatever it takes to bring on the build, it is looking mighty fine to date. Airfix seemed to have gotten the markings of the Roland down as well. Neat box art and trip in time.
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I agree in both ways: Nice start on one of the prettiest planes of WWI.
I remember me well building many Airfix Rolands (the fit was quite good as far as I remember and the upper wing installation was so simple...) then in Heller boxings...
Borsos
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Hi Richard.
The cockpit detailing looks great!
Nice to see you building one of my first favorites. I can still remember the first picture I ever saw of one while I was a boy in elementary school.
Gaz
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Looking great Richard, I look forward to your progress reports.
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I loves me some Walfisch... And I never even saw the Airfix one as a kid. It's a recent thing.
I'll be following this one, as I hope and expect to do a couple of these.
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That Airfix box art took me back a few years - but I can also remember the original plastic bag and leaflet!
How you cope with all of these builds going on together I do ot know, but in all of the you make a first class job. Looking forward to seeing this one progress further.
Stephen.
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I've never built a Roland in any scale, but I've always had a soft spot for this aircraft. Very nice work so far, somehow that big control wheel is a real centerpiece that attracts (at least my!) eyes :)
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How you cope with all of these builds going on together I do not know
I recently built the new Revell P-51D in 1:32. I did next to no research and just followed the instructions and finished it. Sometimes, it's a good way of getting around modellers block. Curiously I also made progress on a Cirrus Moth, a Sopwith Pup and a Sopwith Triplane at the same time. You have to do something while paint is drying and flitting from one project to another while having a core build on the go seems to work
Other projects are neatly packed away at the moment, lets see what happens if I get some momentum going
Richard
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Hours of fun to be had with the Mercedes, I held back as most of it is hidden
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/roland-c-ii/Mercedes-1.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/roland-c-ii/Mercedes-2.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/roland-c-ii/Mercedes-3.JPG)
Richard
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Lovely engine!
RAGIII
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Richard,
The Merc looks great! Do you do trains, too?
Gaz
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Richard,
The Merc looks great! Do you do trains, too?
Gaz
Maybe...
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/backwoods-fowler-0-4-0/complete-7.jpg)
Richard
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Richard,
Beautiful work on her Merc my old friend. The train is equally impressive as well.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Richard,
The Merc looks great! Do you do trains, too?
Gaz
Maybe...
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/backwoods-fowler-0-4-0/complete-7.jpg)
Richard
Very nice!
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Beautiful, Richard.
Both of your work!
Bye,
Manni
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Wow!
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(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/roland-c-ii/Progress-4.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/roland-c-ii/Progress-5.JPG)
Richard
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Coming together quite nicely as expected fro your talented hands!
RAGIII
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Great looking, Richard! The engine and the entire interieur look very good.
Bye,
Manni
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(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/roland-c-ii/Progress-7.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/roland-c-ii/Progress-8.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/roland-c-ii/Progress-9.JPG)
I quite like the half-a-plane, it would be a radically different way of finishing the Roland
Richard
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Looks fantastic! A cut away model would certainly be different. I am sure you could come up with a wing spar to hold the other wing in place with your scratch building abilities. 8)
RAGIII
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Looks fantastic! A cut away model would certainly be different. I am sure you could come up with a wing spar to hold the other wing in place with your scratch building abilities. 8)
RAGIII
Probably...
It's the other missing details that put me off doing that. Wing spars, control cables, wiring, ammunition box, etc, etc, etc.
Richard
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(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/roland-c-ii/Progress-10.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/roland-c-ii/Progress-11.JPG)
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Richard
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Richard,
Nice view of your bench. Does the kit come with a plastic rollbar? Think I need to make me some of those parts holders.
Gaz
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Richard,
Nice view of your bench. Does the kit come with a plastic rollbar? Think I need to make me some of those parts holders.
Gaz
It comes with the semi-circular roll over bar fitted to the first batch. The 'late' kit has the angular roll over bar and the lmg 08, but has the Linke-Hoffman wings with external pushrods
I'm building one from the intermediate batch with the pilot's gun, angular roll over bar and cable operated ailerons, so it's getting a Gaspatch lmg 08 and a scratchbuilt roll over bar
Richard
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The interior is stunning! Excellent work there.
A cutaway version would be cool, but a lot more work.
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Exemplary work.
I like the rotor vise mount.
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Exemplary work.
I like the rotor vise mount.
Well spotted. I had to machine an edge off to clear the handle, which makes that nice pattern
Richard
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but has the Linke-Hoffman wings with external pushrods
As I have the "late" kit to build one day, I noticed this (and of course, a great Walfish in progress -it's even getting sliding windows!).
I'm not very knowledgable about the C.II, but the wings and aileron pushrods are only applicable for a Linke-Hoffman built machine and not for a late Roland one?
Jeroen
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but has the Linke-Hoffman wings with external pushrods
As I have the "late" kit to build one day, I noticed this (and of course, a great Walfish in progress -it's even getting sliding windows!).
I'm not very knowledgable about the C.II, but the wings and aileron pushrods are only applicable for a Linke-Hoffman built machine and not for a late Roland one?
Jeroen
Not entirely sure - it doesn't seem clear when C.II became C.IIa. The C.IIa has the pushrods
Richard
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I'm building one from the intermediate batch with the pilot's gun, angular roll over bar and cable operated ailerons, so it's getting a Gaspatch lmg 08 and a scratchbuilt roll over bar
Richard
At the risk of showing my lack of knowledge: The early versions didn't have a forward firing gun?
Gaz
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I'm building one from the intermediate batch with the pilot's gun, angular roll over bar and cable operated ailerons, so it's getting a Gaspatch lmg 08 and a scratchbuilt roll over bar
Richard
At the risk of showing my lack of knowledge: The early versions didn't have a forward firing gun?
Gaz
Correct
Early:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/LFG_Roland_C.II_RRQ.jpg/1024px-LFG_Roland_C.II_RRQ.jpg)
Late, with pushrods to rod operated ailerons:
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There's a version between those two:
(http://www.aresgames.eu/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/700xRolandCII_3.jpg)
Richard
Pictures from Wikipedia
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Thanks for the pics! The first machine looks really clean in that monochrome scheme. I wonder what the real color was? I've seen profiles in both sky blue and grey. It would be neat if there were some Idfleig orders documenting it somewhere.
I really should order one before they too are gone from WnW.
Gaz
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Thanks for the pics! The first machine looks really clean in that monochrome scheme. I wonder what the real color was? I've seen profiles in both sky blue and grey. It would be neat if there were some Idfleig orders documenting it somewhere.
I really should order one before they too are gone from WnW.
Gaz
A whole can of worms, Gaz. Could be CDL or a sandy colour too
Richard
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Do you know how many years I thought the early Japanese Zeroes were grey? I only learned 9 month ago they were a light pistachio color.
UBL with wood fuselage would look pretty cool.
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UBL with wood fuselage would look pretty cool.
You have an Albatros obsession! Wood is right out
Richard
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I could do with some ideas. I'd like to paint this in a very light blue-grey, preferably something grey with just a hint of blue
How can I achieve that?
Richard
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I mix my own colors from artist acrylics in a tube. Then, I thin them into a spray-able thinness with Future. Easy peasy.
What kind of paints you got?
Gaz
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I mix my own colors from artist acrylics in a tube. Then, I thin them into a spray-able thinness with Future. Easy peasy.
What kind of paints you got?
Gaz
The thing about forums is, you post a question and an answer comes back you had never even thought of :o
Usually, I spray using rattle cans and brush paint acrylics. I like the flexibility of acrylics, the ability to easily mix them and thin them out with water. If there is absolutely no other option available I break out the dual action airbrush - and I'd use my cheap'n'cheerful glass bottle single action Badger if I could get away with it
Artists acrylics in tubes are easy to buy where I am - guess I could have a play with that
Thanks Gaz, I could try that
Richard
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Richard,
You can use anything you have in bottles. Try this mix: 1 part medium to dark blue, 3 parts black, and 10 parts white. Once mixed you can play with it as you see fit.
Blue is the most potent of the primary colors regarding what it can do to white.
As always test on something before you commit to spraying your model. I find that colors often appear darker once sprayed than while they're in the pot.
Gaz
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Richard,
You can use anything you have in bottles. Try this mix: 1 part medium to dark blue, 3 parts black, and 10 parts white. Once mixed you can play with it as you see fit.
Blue is the most potent of the primary colors regarding what it can do to white.
That's a combination I would never have considered.
I think I'll pop out and get a few tubes of artists acrylics and have a play. This is something new for me
Richard
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I switched to artist acrylics after I first returned to modeling for a lot of reasons:
A. I didn't want to have to buy every color and have a huge stock of paint sitting around.
B. When mixing colors in the past, I tended to waste a lot of paint trying to get the right shade.
C. Artist acrylics are a lot cheaper than any brand named paints, so wastage even if it seems huge is only a few cents in reality.
If you have any questions about any of it, feel free to shoot me a PM.
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I switched to artist acrylics after I first returned to modeling for a lot of reasons:
A. I didn't want to have to buy every color and have a huge stock of paint sitting around.
B. When mixing colors in the past, I tended to waste a lot of paint trying to get the right shade.
C. Artist acrylics are a lot cheaper than any brand named paints, so wastage even if it seems huge is only a few cents in reality.
If you have any questions about any of it, feel free to shoot me a PM.
A website about mixing colours would be helpful
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I've never actually searched for such a thing. I actually bought a color recipe book from an artist supply store. Much handier for a old-tech person like myself. I tried searching a few minutes ago, but most sites I find tell you how to make your own color wheel/guide.
Here's the one I use:
(https://d1w7fb2mkkr3kw.cloudfront.net/assets/images/book/lrg/9781/5601/9781560108733.jpg)
Gaz
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Not expensive either, I've ordered a copy
I also now have five 75ml tubes of acrylic and a 12 pack starter set of 12ml tubes for £13 - bargain
I guess some day I had to start getting my head around colour theory
Richard
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Oh, my goodness! I've just put a blob of white, a smaller blob of black and a tiny bob of blue on a tile, mixed them experimentally with a brush - and a whole new world just opened up
Wow
Richard
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It actually sounds interesting what you are doing, guys.
Andreas
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It actually sounds interesting what you are doing, guys.
Andreas
With your fondness for paint techniques, you'd find it very interesting indeed. In the UK I bought five different tubes like this: https://www.hobbycraft.co.uk/mars-black-art-acrylic-paint-tube-75-ml/605784-1001
and a box like this: https://www.hobbycraft.co.uk/acrylic-paint-set-12-ml-12-pack/573823-1000
These are very basic acrylic artists paints. You can dilute them with water and mix them together. I have played with brushing them, I haven't tried diluting and spraying them yet
Richard
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The interiors look great, and the tips on the colors out of the thread are really interesting.
Giuseppe
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Some additional things I can tell you, if you don't mind, mostly geared to airbrushing. Two important things you'll want are Future and ammonia based glass cleaner.
Thinning your paints with Future makes for more durable finishes. I usually get them to a nice creamy texture like latex house paint. They stay stable like this for a while, and I keep them in little containers.
You'll want to make an airbrush cleaner and flow enhancer with a mix of 50/50 glass cleaner and water in a small bottle. Some people use purified water, but I've never had trouble using tap water. A couple drops of glycerine or liquid dish washing soap will reduce surface tension and help to prevent dry-tip. But to be totally honest I've never completely escaped dry-tip.
Acrylic tube paints don't brush as nicely as enamels. But... They make great, quick drying washes. All of the color on my Mercedes D.III engine on my Alby D.V build, except the silver and brass base coats and wires, is done with acrylic washes of various thicknesses thinned with water.
HTH,
Gaz
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May 2018 - not so long ago for this resurrection...
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/roland-c-ii/DSCF0197.JPG)
Richard
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Another Phoenix rising from the Ashes? Looks Terrific!
RAGIII
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Cool , half done already ! Why is it in a vice for by the way ? And I can't help notice your trains . Are this built by you ? I know ...I know so many questions ;)
Terri
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Cool , half done already ! Why is it in a vice for by the way ? And I can't help notice your trains . Are this built by you ? I know ...I know so many questions ;)
Terri
I should have done a lot more work getting the upper wing to fit correctly before getting carried away with a spray can. I have fettled the joint as much as I dare - the vice is doing the rest
Those trains - no. They belonged to the father of the neighbour of a friend. She was having trouble moving them on, so I took them. I'm trying to decide what to do with them.
I do model railways though. When I go quiet here it is usually because I have shifted focus to doing that (and vice versa)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/backwoods-fowler-0-4-0/complete-2.jpg)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/backwoods-fowler-0-4-0/complete-7.jpg)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/sentinel-6412/DSCF9937.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/vans/DSCF9589.JPG)
Richard
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Done that myself getting carried away , still do actually . Thanks for explanation for the trains . Your builds are really small , but packed with detail . Awesome !
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OK, kicked this one across the line:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/roland-c-ii/DSCF0428.JPG)
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I really should have paid more attention to the wing/fuselage joints before doing the ambitious rattle can spray job. I have been fighting 'touching up' the paint ever since
Otherwise, she's OK. I'm particularly pleased with the long 'turnbuckles'
Richard
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Excellent finish to this one Richard! I also like your Long Turnbuckles!
RAGIII
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Excellent finish to this one Richard! I also like your Long Turnbuckles!
RAGIII
Maybe I'll twist another up to show how I did it
Richard
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Nice to see this one cross the finish line . Excellent work !
Terri
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Nice to see this one cross the finish line . Excellent work !
Terri
Thanks Terri. As a model, it's OK, I was hoping it would turn out better
I must admit, it looks good in the pictures
Richard
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Nicely done, Richard. It appears one can actually see inside the fuse through those large windows.