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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: gedmundson on January 02, 2021, 01:29:42 AM
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What better way to start off the new year than by cracking open a new project - WnW Hannover Cl.II. Since I've got a couple of these in the stash it made sense to jump into it now that I've got some spare room on the bench. I'd picked up some Aviattic lozenge decals for it last summer, so it'll be nice to start on an aircraft model for the first time in over a year.
Cheers,
Gary
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Excellent choice Gary. I am looking forward to your build!
RAGIII
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Gary,
This will be another great one to watch. Thanks for the preview of things to come,
Kevin
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What a gorgeous looking plane. Have fun building it.
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A lovely project to start the new year off! In your capable hands this will be a treat, Gary! ATB, Marc.
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Have you decided on a scheme yet ?
Alexis
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Great choice, I'm taking a comfortable seat to fully enjoy the build.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Oh, a Hannover - have great fun with this build, Gary!
I have an Eduard Cl.III in my stash so I will watch to learn something about this type.
Cheers,
Frank
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Hi Gary:
Great Choice. A very interesting aircraft affording the modeler some neat schemes and challenges. What scheme are you going to go with? I did one when it first came out and used an old Aurora Lozenge template, blown up to 1/32nd scale and then hand painted the scheme with a blue over spray, turned out pretty cool. Looking forward to seeing what scheme you are going to do and how you are going to do it.
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Thanks to all for the words of encouragement - I'm a bit our of my depth on this one and am feeling like I have to re-learn a few things!
Alexis and Mark - the scheme will be Option "D" in the instructions with the number "4" on the side. Michel Gruson did that one and his build was truly inspiring when I saw it years ago.
Hi Gary:
Great Choice. A very interesting aircraft affording the modeler some neat schemes and challenges. What scheme are you going to go with? I did one when it first came out and used an old Aurora Lozenge template, blown up to 1/32nd scale and then hand painted the scheme with a blue over spray, turned out pretty cool. Looking forward to seeing what scheme you are going to do and how you are going to do it.
Mark - the lozenge painting is the one thing on this build that scares me the most. I had no idea how to approach it until I read your bit about the template. Brilliant! I've actually got a pattern in the Smithsonian book on the Albatros D.Va which I can use. I still have to work out the logistics of how to step through it - but you've given me some light at the end of that tunnel ;)
Cheers,
Gary
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Hi Gary: Not to steal your thunder but here's how I did mine. I know it's the incorrect 4 color lozenge pattern vice the painted on, but with the blue over it, I don't think it's that noticeable other than there is lozenge under it.
I used an old Aurora Lozenge pattern, enlarged it to 1/32nd and with carbon paper traced the pattern over the base coat and then hand painted the pattern. Once dry overpainted it with blue until I was happy with the result. Were I to do it again, which I probably will as I have this kit, I would blow up the lozenge pattern using the scheme of "White 4, Schlasta 25, from the first release of the Hannover, kit# 32024, which is still up on the WNW website, and use that as a template for the lozenge to either transfer with carbon paper or use as templates for masks.
Good luck and looking forward to seeing how you go with it.
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Hi Gary: Not to steal your thunder but here's how I did mine. I know it's the incorrect 4 color lozenge pattern vice the painted on, but with the blue over it, I don't think it's that noticeable other than there is lozenge under it.
I used an old Aurora Lozenge pattern, enlarged it to 1/32nd and with carbon paper traced the pattern over the base coat and then hand painted the pattern. Once dry overpainted it with blue until I was happy with the result. Were I to do it again, which I probably will as I have this kit, I would blow up the lozenge pattern using the scheme of "White 4, Schlasta 25, from the first release of the Hannover, kit# 32024, which is still up on the WNW website, and use that as a template for the lozenge to either transfer with carbon paper or use as templates for masks.
Good luck and looking forward to seeing how you go with it.
Thanks for showing this Mark - your results worked out really well indeed. I'm going to use a spin on your idea and get some masks made by transferring a pattern like the one you've shown. I'm putting the project on hold whilst waiting for some reference material - "Kensar" is kindly sending me a Windsock modelling special on building the Hannover. So far I've just got a few of the fiddly bits removed from the sprues ready for painting.
Cheers,
Gary
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Very impressive paint work! Your stencil, hand painting, and overspray are awesome!
RAGIII
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Hi Gary: Not to steal your thunder but here's how I did mine. I know it's the incorrect 4 color lozenge pattern vice the painted on, but with the blue over it, I don't think it's that noticeable other than there is lozenge under it.
I used an old Aurora Lozenge pattern, enlarged it to 1/32nd and with carbon paper traced the pattern over the base coat and then hand painted the pattern. Once dry overpainted it with blue until I was happy with the result. Were I to do it again, which I probably will as I have this kit, I would blow up the lozenge pattern using the scheme of "White 4, Schlasta 25, from the first release of the Hannover, kit# 32024, which is still up on the WNW website, and use that as a template for the lozenge to either transfer with carbon paper or use as templates for masks.
Good luck and looking forward to seeing how you go with it.
Thanks for showing this Mark - your results worked out really well indeed. I'm going to use a spin on your idea and get some masks made by transferring a pattern like the one you've shown. I'm putting the project on hold whilst waiting for some reference material - "Kensar" is kindly sending me a Windsock modelling special on building the Hannover. So far I've just got a few of the fiddly bits removed from the sprues ready for painting.
Cheers,
Gary
Thanks Gary, for some reason I thought you had the new release, having re-read your thread from the beginning, I see you have the kit with the neat lozenge painted Hanover. Looks like you have a concept in place and a well thought out plan of execution.
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Hi Gary
I’m sure you don’t need any painting tips, but...
... when I did my Hannover I followed a similar method as Mark, but it is time consuming and by the time you’ve overpainted With the dark blue little remains of all the hard work.
My adventures in the internet led me to this thread https://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=128120&start=30 (https://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=128120&start=30) where he sprays the lozenge freehand, but the end results are as though he’d done it the hard way.
It’s the method I will undertake when I get round to my Halberstadt.
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Thanks to all for their kind tips - as mentioned I'm building the original release of this kit into option D 13274/17 "White 4" Schlasta 25.
Happily, and thanks to the great generosity of our forum member Kensar, I now have the excellent Windsock publication on this model. So it's full steam ahead now my bench is cleared of previous projects :)
Cheers,
Gary
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Wonderful choice! Happy modeling, Gary!
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Looking forward to this Gary, I have one to do at some point too.
Cheers,
Dave.
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I am looking forward to seeing you tackle this bad boy Gary. I had contemplated doing this scheme at one time so I will be watching with interest to see how you do that lozenge.
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Nice subject. Have fun.
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vB ;)
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Like the others I am looking forward to Your Build!
RAGIII
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Exciting!
/Fredrik
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I will be watching and following this thread, Gary, some really useful information already... ATB, Marc.
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Gary,
This will be an interesting project to follow. I've been delaying this one for some time while trying to build up the courage to tackle hand painted Lozenge. I'll be watching very closely as well, break a leg!
Cheers,
Lance
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Happy to have made a start on this build, and have read through the Windsock publication to help plan the construction and painting. As always, I like to start on the engine, and helped the Argus As.III along with some 0.5mm brass pushrods and 0.1mm lead wire ignition wires.
Cheers,
Gary
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That is a Great Looking Engine! The plug wires and springs are terrific!
RAGIII
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Thanks Rick! Here's t'other side wi' paint on the wires. Now for some weathering.
Cheers,
Gary
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Awesome!
RAGIII
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Nice clean work on the engine!
Cheers,
Hugh
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Gary, the Argus engine is nicely painted and detailed with plugs, clamps on cables ... I like it!
But, could it be that the "pipe" on top, connected to the valve rockers, are a sprue?
Cheers,
Frank
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Gary, the Argus engine is nicely painted and detailed with plugs, clamps on cables ... I like it!
But, could it be that the "pipe" on top, connected to the valve rockers, are a sprue?
Cheers,
Frank
I think you might be correct there Frank. Certainly looks like a sprue/mold gate to me.
Cheers,
Hugh
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Nice work on the engine Gary , should look even better once it's all weathered up .
Alexis
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Gary, the Argus engine is nicely painted and detailed with plugs, clamps on cables ... I like it!
But, could it be that the "pipe" on top, connected to the valve rockers, are a sprue?
Cheers,
Frank
Thanks Frank!! What scares me is how long I would have left that on there before realizing it had to be clipped off!! :-[
Cheers,
Gary
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We all do not get younger and make more and more crazy mistakes, I'm already like that!
That is the main reason for build reports ;D ;D ;D
Cheers,
Frank
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Very nice work on your engine, it's always gratifying to detail engines even knowing they will end hidden by cowlings.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Great looking engine, Gary. I like the addition of the pushrods.
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Nice work on the engine Gary; Sprue notwithstanding. ;) I like the highlighting of the valve springs. As those are probably the most prominent feature, aside from the exhaust, attention will be drawn to them first. I am looking forward to seeing you progress through the build.
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Hi Gary,
I admire your work on the Argus engine. I think the sparkplugs, cable clamps and the pushrods. The paintwork is beautiful. Looking forward to the rest of this build.
I have most of the WNW engine sprues, but I am hesitant to build them every time I see the great work and enhancements by the craftsmen (and woman) on this site.
Willem
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Thanks to everyone for their kind words on the engine. I'm working on some cockpit detail now and decided to enhance the look of the seatbelts. I'm not a big fan of the etched metal belts because they look a bit thin, but hopefully they'll paint up ok. The after-market products look great, but I don't have any of those right now. One thing I did add to them was a more 3-dimensional spring made from copper wire.
Cheers,
Gary
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I was thinking how nice those PE springs looked, almost three "D", and then I read your narrative and now I know why. Nice job on the belts, especially the copper springs, which dresses them up real nice. A bit fiddly to do but pay off big time.
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Those copper wire springs are a fantastic addition! The belts will look awesome once painted!!
RAGIII
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Some further work using oil paints for wood grain and some weathering on the engine.
I masked the laminations on the propeller but went with less difference than I'd normally do between the wood colours. I just went slightly darker with the second colour, and after finishing the prop ended up with a lamination that is very subtle.
With most of the cockpit and engine done, I'm fearing that painted-on camo scheme is getting closer. But it'll be quite a challenge.
Cheers,
Gary
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Some nice wood painting, the decals looks also great!
With most of the cockpit and engine done, I'm fearing that painted-on camo scheme is getting closer. But it'll be quite a challenge.
Ha, why I know that feeling? My fuselage is still unpainted ...
Cheers,
Frank
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The prop looks excellent with the lighter tones! Seatbelts , IP, and Engine are beautiful!
RAGIII
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That prop looks superb!
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Excellent, every single bit!
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Coming along beautifully Gary, the wood on the IP and prop are really "top drawer". Looking forward to seeing you wrestle that oversized painted lozenge into submission!
Cheers,
Lance
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Excellent detailing work on all those bits. Seat belts springs are a real master touch.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Unbelievable how you transformed that masked plastic prop into wooden one!
Willem
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Excellent, every single bit!
Second that.
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Thanks to all for your comments! I wanted to share a couple of photos before buttoning up the fuselage and getting on with this project. I used an Aviattic CDL decal for the rear panel behind the observer's seat, and oil paints for the wood grain effect on the walls.
Connecting rods for the control handles on the L & R sides will have to be added after the frame has been glued in place.
Cheers,
Gary
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Beautiful work on the wood fuselage interior. The assembled cockpit parts look awesome!
RAGIII
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Beautiful work on the wood fuselage interior. The assembled cockpit parts look awesome!
RAGIII
Thanks Rick :)
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As Rick says, that's great work on the interior.
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Wow Gary , really impressive work in the pit :)
Alexis
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More great details, I'm looking forward to next steps.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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That’s a jardropping interior, Gary. The Hannover is also on my to build list. As soon as my mojo comes back and I‘ll pick up WW1 planes again, I‘ll ise your build report as a guideline.
Andreas
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Precious!
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That is a wonderful cockpit! Many details and nice paint job. Too nice to be hidden!
Cheers,
Frank
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More outstanding details here Gary. As I look at the IP am waiting for the dials to move in the gauges. The interior looks the business with the detail added seatbelts, the painting, all top notch work. Like Lance, looking forward to seeing how you manage the lozenge.
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I think the cockpit looks real great. Outstanding work.
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Thanks everyone for the kind feedback. Each remark is greatly appreciated!
I've put the Aviattic decals on the main wings, and need to add the rib tapes separately. It will be laborious, but I've been there before.
I've also been reminded of the amazing engineering that goes (went!) into these kits as everything lined up perfectly when all components were fitted to the cockpit interior. I know so much is not seen when all is buttoned up, but it's enjoying to put it all together.
Cheers,
Gary
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Now I have an idea what colours to mix up for the mid-wing and fusealge painting.
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This'll be buttoned up today. The fit of the components had me appreciate WnW engineering all over again.
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Wow Gary!
That’s awesome :) I haven’t made a WNW for yonks, and you kind of forget how great they really were!
Guy
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Dittto Wow!
Kent
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Wonderful!! Looking forward to your mid-wing- and fuselage painting!
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It looks great with the interior and engine in place. The lozenge application looks perfect!
RAGIII
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That is again impressive modeling Gary!
But where the hell, or more in which museum did you find this real wing? :o
Cheers,
Frank
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I'm at a loss for words. That interior and engine look magnificent.
(even without the sprue on top of the engine ;D )
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I'm taking up knitting !
Truly spectacular work so far Gary :)
Alexis
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I'm at a loss for words. That interior and engine look magnificent.
(even without the sprue on top of the engine ;D )
Thanks Ken - I was hoping everyone would forget what my friends are now referring to as "Spruegate" :-[
Cheers, ;)
Gary
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I'm taking up knitting !
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Wow! I know this reply isn't very helpful but it's the only thing I can say.
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Thanks again for the encouragement, everyone. Not much of an update here, but I'm taking my time with the fuselage while putting the Aviattic decals on the wings, and waiting for my Frisket masking paper to arrive in the mail.
I've been adding a thin layer of Mr. Surfacer to the inevitable gaps around the pilot's cockpit opening each day. This layer has been building up, and will eventually result in a smooth finish, rendering the gap indiscernible (well, that's the plan!).
Cheers,
Gary
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Getting rid of seams is one of the tasks I find most frustrating. I am sure you will succeed! That interior still stands out and looks incredible.
RAGIII
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Great work on the interiors Gerry! I look forward to seeing more !!!
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Good Ole' Mr. Surfacer! Always a good choice and good to have around for those pesky seams. What's nice about this model are the large openings to see the work you've done on the interior. It's coming along nicely Gary and per usual, looking forward to the next update.
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Thanks everyone for the encouragement to continue this build ;)
Since starting the project I've had no idea how to paint the camo, and have reviewed the book by Ray Rimmel which had a few helpful tips and tricks. Non of which I thought were easy. I ordered some Frisket masking film and went ahead with the paint work on the underside of the mid-upper wing...something that can't be seen much and a good place to experiment with techniques.
I made a colour copy of the WnW instruction sheet showing the pattern for the mid wing section at as close to 1/32 scale as I could calculate, and transferred the pattern to the Friket film over a piece of clear acetate. By making dots at the intersections of colour, I cut out four templates for each colour to be sprayed on after placing the film on a pane of glass.
By lining up the film for each colour, they were airbrushed on and then the inevitable gaps were re-masked with bits of tape and touched up. Very laborious, but it did the job. I repeated the process for the upper surface (mixing five different colours) and it went slightly quicker.
I think I now have an idea of how to do the fuselage, so hopefully light at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully my sequence of photos explain my process.
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transfering the pattern to Friket film
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the four masking templates for the lower side, sprayed a base colour
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The upper side was based with ochre, and the first colour, mauve, has been airbrushed on.
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The completed pattern on the underside - not perfect but acceptable
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Upper side, again, not perfect but if you squint hard enough it'll work.
Cheers,
Gary
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Gary, no squinting necessary. Looks great.
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A WWI Rubics cube......but very well done!!
Steve
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It may have been laborious but the results are superb!
RAGIII
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A WWI Rubics cube......but very well done!!
Steve
I like that , good one Steve !
Far better then what ever I could conquer up Gary , top notch :)
Alexis
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Thanks everyone! And Steve- the Rubics cube comment had me chortling too :D
Cheers,
Gary
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Great work on interiors and stenciling. Colors look matching the wings' really well.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Great technique, looks wonderful !
Andreas
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The technique you're using appears to work fine. I may suggest considering if you can paint the surface underneath one of the lightest colors overall, then you have to paint one fewer colors with the stencils and any gaps between the colors would be one of the colors. Just an idea.
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Some very impressive work here Gary, I really admire your patient approach and ingenuity. The results are spectacular, this is going to be a very impressive model when it all comes together. I have this kit and have left it firmly on the shelf to ponder the "how to" of the expanded Lozenge finish so I'm following your steps and impressive results with no small amount of awe! Before I forget BTW, that interior work is simply outstanding as well!
Following along on this one is a real treat!
Cheers,
Lance
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Thanks to all for the kind words! Work continues on the fuselage with lots of masking/airbrushing ahead.
The technique you're using appears to work fine. I may suggest considering if you can paint the surface underneath one of the lightest colors overall, then you have to paint one fewer colors with the stencils and any gaps between the colors would be one of the colors. Just an idea.
Thanks for that Ken - that's exactly my plan. The upper surface colours were done that way, with the last two colours actually added by just masking the lozenges with small strips of Tamiya masking tape. I ended up only cutting two masks for the top.
The underside initially received a darker base colour (a faux pas on my part since I couldn't recognize the difference between X-17 and XF-17 when I mixed up and airbrushed it ::) ). That got redone later, and I left some of the tiny gaps since they're not worth the effort to hide, being hard to see on the final build. That was my experimental practice "steep learning curve". Regardless of colour - all the visible gaps need painting out during the "touch-up" stage.
Cheers,
Gary
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It's just great to see your masking work Gary. Although laboriously it certainly pays off!
Cheers: Kent
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Gary, once again you show that you always work very carefully and patiently.
I have a 1/48 Hannover in my stash, I guess I will try to copy your method in an electric form by using a vector graphic software.
Cheers,
Frank
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Gary:
The laborious effort has paid off with maximum results. A nice solution to a complex problem and the results couldn't have been any better. It will be interesting to see how this translates to the fuselage. As Lance mentioned, this will be one impressive model, looking forward to more.
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Thanks to all for the kind words! Work continues on the fuselage with lots of masking/airbrushing ahead.
The technique you're using appears to work fine. I may suggest considering if you can paint the surface underneath one of the lightest colors overall, then you have to paint one fewer colors with the stencils and any gaps between the colors would be one of the colors. Just an idea.
Thanks for that Ken - that's exactly my plan. The upper surface colours were done that way, with the last two colours actually added by just masking the lozenges with small strips of Tamiya masking tape. I ended up only cutting two masks for the top.
The underside initially received a darker base colour (a faux pas on my part since I couldn't recognize the difference between X-17 and XF-17 when I mixed up and airbrushed it ::) ). That got redone later, and I left some of the tiny gaps since they're not worth the effort to hide, being hard to see on the final build. That was my experimental practice "steep learning curve". Regardless of colour - all the visible gaps need painting out during the "touch-up" stage.
Cheers,
Gary
Hi Gary,
By using masks to paint several different colours, did you end up with any build up of paint 'ridges' at the lozenge edges?
Mike
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Hi Gary,
By using masks to paint several different colours, did you end up with any build up of paint 'ridges' at the lozenge edges?
Mike
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Hello Mike, there are no ridges that I can notice. I tend to add thin coats of Tamiya acrylic as I airbrush, and remove all masks immediately afterward. I also seal soon after with a light coat of X-22 gloss, so perhaps it helps in that regard.
Cheers,
Gary
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Hi Gary,
Thanks - I wondered as paint ridges can build up against any masking if too much paint is applied - thin coats is good.
Mike
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A bit of progress to show from this past few days. As far as Frisket mask goes, I laid down one on each side, cut from a 1/32 scale print-off from the fuselage illustration in the instruction sheet. The right side was just a reversal of the left. This got the shape of the pattern established. Painted Mauve over dark yellow. Then I started to mask each lozenge individually with little strips of masking tape to start with the other three colours.
Still working on it, with touch-ups and corrections as I go. Very laborious. And the fuselage looks extremely clown-like.
Cheers,
Gary
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Hi Gary:
I'd say (write) it looks anything but clownlike. Outstanding work and it all fits together nicely. I have never seen Frisket paper, but have heard a lot about it. I will have to scope out some art stores.
If I recall, you are going to paint some mist coats of blue over this. Looks too good to do that.
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Wow, that looks great, Gary.
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Gary, that will really turn out to be tremendous. Congrats!
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Excellent work on the fuselage paint scheme.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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You really did a fantastic job! :) :)
When I visited a secret archive in the tunnels under the city of xxx (I am not supposed to tell) I found a yet unknown document from KoGenLuft Ernst von Hoeppner from December 1917 about painting German warplanes in 1918. It reads (translation by me) „Of course we are going to loose the war. And therefore of course we could paint all of our warplanes a red color. But we won‘t. I am giving the advice now to paint all warplanes in a camouflage pattern that looks as strange as possible and is going to be as difficult to reproduce on scale models as possible. This is going to be our revenge for decades! Harr harr (he actually writes „harr harr“ — strange person this von Hoeppner, don‘t you think?)“
Another question clarified. I am preparing an edition of this document, but that will take its time...
Best regards,
Andreas
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Nicely done, Gary!
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Alexis
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Hi Gary:
I'd say (write) it looks anything but clownlike. Outstanding work and it all fits together nicely. I have never seen Frisket paper, but have heard a lot about it. I will have to scope out some art stores.
If I recall, you are going to paint some mist coats of blue over this. Looks too good to do that.
Thanks again Mark, and to add to our earlier chat, I won't be clouding over the finish with the blue. But I will weather it down a bit with a method yet to be determined...seems to be the way this build is going. Quite the adventure in painting :-)
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You really did a fantastic job! :) :)
When I visited a secret archive in the tunnels under the city of xxx (I am not supposed to tell) I found a yet unknown document from KoGenLuft Ernst von Hoeppner from December 1917 about painting German warplanes in 1918. It reads (translation by me) „Of course we are going to loose the war. And therefore of course we could paint all of our warplanes a red color. But we won‘t. I am giving the advice now to paint all warplanes in a camouflage pattern that looks as strange as possible and is going to be as difficult to reproduce on scale models as possible. This is going to be our revenge for decades! Harr harr (he actually writes „harr harr“ — strange person this von Hoeppner, don‘t you think?)“
Another question clarified. I am preparing an edition of this document, but that will take its time...
Best regards,
Andreas
Absolutely hilarious story, Andreas. You had me laughing out loud indeed. Glad you like to camo so far - let's hope I can do this model justice!
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Thanks again to everyone who took the time to comment - I do appreciate the kind words and enjoy telling my story so far - it does keep changing as I learn new tricks and give up on my plans here and there!
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Alexis
I have to thank you for your happy faces, Alexis. I don't think I've ever had that many....kinda like your version of a 20 gun salute :-)
Cheers,
Gary
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Gary, you made a great masking and paint job! I like also you selection of color shades.
After a fantastic inside now a great outside finish.
Cheers,
Frank
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The painted Lozenge fuselage is extremely well done! I am impressed by your results.
RAGIII
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Wow, what a great job on the fuselage.
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Thanks to everyone who commented on my fuselage - many tweaks were needed to get the colours and shapes balanced.
I used Aviattic 5-colour faded lozenge decals for the flying surfaces, and unfortunately there was no cookie-cutter type available for this model. The larger sections were not hard to manage for the wing sections, but adding the rib-tapes and surrounds were a bit of extra work. The photo below shows progress on one of the lower wings. I used the WnW decals as a template to cut the shapes. Although the rib-tapes do follow the moulded lines, they can appear crooked to the eye because of the camouflage. I've been through a number of new, sharp #11 blades on this project for sure :)
Cheers,
Gary
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Looking good Gary !
Do you re-sharping your blades ? I have a small sharpening stone and when I have lots of cutting such as rib tapes , after a few guts I make a few passes on the stone keeping the blade sharp .
Alexis
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Looking good Gary !
Do you re-sharping your blades ? I have a small sharpening stone and when I have lots of cutting such as rib tapes , after a few guts I make a few passes on the stone keeping the blade sharp .
Alexis
Thank you Alexis. The idea of re-sharpening the blades is a good one! I should give it a try. I do have an old ceramic Oxygen Sensor probe given to me by a fellow worker at my old job - he made knives and claimed it was a fine sharpening tool. I'll try that.
Cheers,
Gary
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Wow!
Amazing work so far, Gary. I admire your patience in masking and painting the lozenge pattern to the fuselage - looks great.
Regards
Dave
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The lozenge is looking good Gary! Keep up the Great work!!
RAGIII
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Dave and Rick - thanks for that!
While building this project I've been referring to Ray Rimell's modelling book on the Hannover, and finding some very good tips. I typically wouldn't have bothered dressing up the observer's gun mount, but after reading about what Ray did, and seeing a drawing of how it actually looked, I decided to add some small mods to the kit parts.
The small springs were made from wrapping copper wire (salvaged from an electrical cord) around a #79 drill bit. The wingnuts were from some ModelKasten details I had in the spares box. Also added was a wire grab handle that has locating holes, but no handle included in the kit (?). I also cut the locking handle from the side and articulated it back a few degrees. They seem to be mounted on different sides depending on what references you use.
Cheers,
Gary
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Nice bit of work on the springs there Gary. That's a real fiddly bit of plastic to put those springs on and it adds some real interest to that portion. Very nice. The brass handle is a nice touch as well and of course the Wingnut! A visual pun and another nice touch. Good ideas for my next Hannover build.
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Nice bit of work on the springs there Gary. That's a real fiddly bit of plastic to put those springs on and it adds some real interest to that portion. Very nice. The brass handle is a nice touch as well and of course the Wingnut! A visual pun and another nice touch. Good ideas for my next Hannover build.
Thanks Mark - I find the copper wire very handy for adding the odd detail here and there. I spent a bit of time today with some of it making those "cages" for the German airspeed indicators. They just don't look right without something protecting the rotary cups. Not as nice as Gaspatch, but quicker and cheaper.
Cheers,
Gary
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Excellent job on the details Gary . The cage around the airspeed cups is a added touch . Also like the springs you made and those along can be a challenge handling them afterwards .
Alexis
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I can see where that microscope is paying dividends in areas other than figure painting. That is a real challenge to add that to the air speed anemometer and it turned out great. Gives me an idea. :-\
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Gary, the gun ring shows a lot of nice parts and the springs are a very nice addition!
The ring looks very common to my recent Halberstadt CL.II build, the part with the springs was one block of plastic in the kit :-\ (so I made a new gun mount). What a nice amount of details in the WNW kits - I'm always impressed!
Cheers,
Frank
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Outstanding detail work on the ring and the cage for the cups .
RAGIII
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Good job with details, looks great!
M.
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I can only agree with the others, real nice details you added.
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Thanks to all for the encouraging words - I'm hoping to get some of the decals onto the fuselage soon and also add the turnbuckles to the wings before further assembly. And one last photo of the engine before I add the cowlings and button it up.
I can see where that microscope is paying dividends in areas other than figure painting. That is a real challenge to add that to the air speed anemometer and it turned out great. Gives me an idea. :-\
Mark - thanks! There isn't a day that goes by that I don't use the 'scope...even if it's to find the odd sliver! Comes in handy for making turnbuckles too. So your idea is....to order a scope? ;)
Cheers,
Gary
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Glad you gave us another look at that stunning engine, it really does look ready to fire up!
The lozenge looks perfect to me too.
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Excellent job on the details, Gary. I think your detailing really points out the limitations of injection molding, which even WNW couldn't overcome.
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Simply Gorgeous!
RAGIII
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Just catching up again. Beautiful detail work. You don't find copper wire has too much "spring" to it?
Steve
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Just catching up again. Beautiful detail work. You don't find copper wire has too much "spring" to it?
Steve
Thanks Steve - the copper wire is fine for things like springs and the speed indicator cage which are short bits and need to hold their shape. But it would not work for the ignition wires (for example) which need to be bent into position and stay there. For that I find lead wire (as in Pb) more cooperative.
Cheers,
Gary
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Unbelievably beautiful work on the engine and the lozenge Gary!
This guy also went to great length on the lozenge:
https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235016614-a-gotha/
Obviously he has some cash to spend. No, I'm not jealous.
Well, actually I am.....
Willem
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Addition of the decals was done with help from a gloss surface and a bit of Microsol. I've test-fitted the landing gear here and added the loose turnbuckles in preparation for rigging later on. Not sure how I'm going to tone-down the bright appearance of the markings and camo quite yet.
Cheers,
Gary
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Really looks great with the Markings on the camo! I am sure whatever decision you make to tone things down will be Fantastic!
RAGIII
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Looking fab Gary !
Alexis
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Nice one, Gary. I recommend to use oil paints, some filters first and than make some streaks with oil colors, for your color combination I think that white/light gray, black, some really dark brown (van Dyke brown?) and some light yellow could do the job.
I got some inspiration by Martin Kovac, he has YT channel Night shift. You could find something useful for example in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxg3EgYCYoM . I know that we as AC modellers have to be more conservative :)
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I think it looks stunning Gary!
Willem
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It keeps getting better and better.
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Thanks to all for the comments and work continues on the model.
Yes, Martin - I think oil paints are a good idea and always incorporate them in some form to enhance detail and dirty things up a bit. Also, light coats of Tamiya X-19 smoke seem to tone things down nicely. The effect is subtle, and one can go too far without knowing...so I've learned to do a little bit and come back later to add more if necessary.
To add some interest to the eventual display of the model, I decided to paint these two fellows up. They are from Model Cellar. I'll add the heads after the bodies get painted separately.
Cheers,
Gary
(https://i.imgur.com/gFStWFa.jpg)
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Hmm, this pose, so close together? Is he proposing? ;D
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Possibly, but only while he adjusts straps. ::)
Steve
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The figures look terrific and of course will be even better once you do your Magic with the painting!
RAGIII
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For rigging this model, I've used a combination of copper wire loops, EZ-Line elastic thread, and RB Productions etched metal turnbuckles. Luckily there isn't a ton of lines to add, but there are those tricky rods to place between the wings - and I used 0.5mm pencil graphite for that. After they're painted up, the turnbuckles will be a bit less noticeable.
Cheers,
Gary
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Gary, you are producing something very special here, any modeller would be proud of this. It really is looking fantastic.
Richie
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The rigging looks excellent as does the rest! Pencil graphite, something that Never would have crossed My mind but it is effective!
RAGIII
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Gary -
This is looking brilliant! Look forward to more progress reports
Regards
Dave
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Absolutely beautiful work, Gary! That is so neat and detailed, I love it! Regards, Marc.
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Beautiful, this model looks great.
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Gary, that will be another stunner of your work! Beautiful :-*
Cheers,
Frank
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Terrific work, Gary. The paint job is so beautiful.
Bye, Manni
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Love it Gary ! I can only hope that my Eduard kit turns out this nice . You are making wonderful progress on this . For the ez-line did you use the fine or heavy one ?
Alexis
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Love it Gary ! I can only hope that my Eduard kit turns out this nice . You are making wonderful progress on this . For the ez-line did you use the fine or heavy one ?
Alexis
Thanks for that Alexis - I used the "Fine" grade of EZ-Line. I have used the Uschi stuff once in a while for previous projects, which is thinner, but needed the slightly heavier grade for this one.
Cheers,
Gary
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Thanks Gary .
I have EZ-line heavy and I don't like it at all for anything doing rigging so I just don't use it and I have a full spool of it . I do use the Uschi line fine and standard for 48 and 32 scale sometimes . Rather use mono line ....
Alexis
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I have to thank everyone who have taken the time to comment on this build - it's very much appreciated, and I'm on the homeward stretch!
A couple of photos to add - somewhat stepping back on the build a bit. Options of what to rig these 1/32 models with is something I have mixed opinions on. But at least the stretchy EZ-Line thread will allow some movement of the flying surfaces without showing a sag, and for me that's helpful.
It was not until I'd completed construction and rigged the tail section that I added the wings to this model. Then I saw that the tail was tilted off to the left - the solid joint of the horizontal stabilizer on the fuselage was somehow "out". So I had to remove the small struts in the tail, and manually "bend" the stabilizer (and the upper tailplane) to line up parallel with the wings. Then I replaced the struts and touched up the paintwork. Very scary job, but at least it looks straight now, and the rigging behaved nicely without having to remove/replace it.
Also - I've got into the habit of dipping my glazing in a diluted X-19 Tamiya Smoke mixture. This gives a "scale" effect to the windscreen once it's dried off.
Cheers,
Gary
(https://i.imgur.com/UWkIosd.jpg)
The tail section before I had to manually twist it into alignment with the wings.
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The windscreen after a dip into diluted X-19 Smoke for scale effect.
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You are certainly knocking this kit out in good time. As mentioned, the paint work is outstanding. Nice and clean and smooth. The decals on the fuselage give it a nice touch and breaks up the lozenge nicely. Nice too to see it up on the undercarriage. Those pesky tail surfaces can be a real pain at times, but you overcame that without a mishap, always a good thing.
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Excellent progress and quite simply Beautiful work!
RAGIII
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Spectacular, all around and in details. I especially like that touch on the windscreen.
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Mark, Rick, and Prze - so glad you guys like it. I'm currently trying to put some finishing touches on the figures. It's hard to believe the detail on these Model Cellar miniatures. Painted all with Vallejo acrylics.
Cheers,
Gary
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The mechanic
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The pilot (still need to glaze the goggles)
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Allows admire your painting on those little people , and I will have to remember the smoke on the wind screen that really adds to it !
Alexis
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Allows admire your painting on those little people , and I will have to remember the smoke on the wind screen that really adds to it !
Alexis
Thanks for that Alexis - I think painting miniatures is probably my favourite part of the hobby.
Cheers,
Gary
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They look fantastic Gary!
And I think the colours and the weathering are spot on!
You must have steady hands!
Willem
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Breathtaking progress on fuselage and figures, Gary.
Andreas
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Great work, Gary. It is like in a candyshop, I don't know what attracts me more, the perfect painted plane or the perfect painted figures.
Bye,
Manni
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Allows admire your painting on those little people , and I will have to remember the smoke on the wind screen that really adds to it !
Alexis
Thanks for that Alexis - I think painting miniatures is probably my favourite part of the hobby.
Cheers,
Gary
Well you do a good job of painting them. The pilot figure strongly rsembles Herman Goering. Again, outstanding work Gary.
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As always your figures are superbly painted! Gorgeous work!
RAGIII
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Willem, Andreas, Manni, Mark and Rick thanks! Such nice comments 8)
Well, I finished the model and have taken a few pictures for the "Completed Models" section which I hope to post soon. Thanks to all for taking a look and following my build, and for the help I got along the way. Kensar - thanks again for that book, it was an immense help!
Cheers,
Gary
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Awesome! What a beautiful plane. You can be proud of yourself.
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Turned out pretty durned snazzy Gary. I'd give a hearty Marine OUTSTANDING. The figures and the mounting set it off nicely. You did an outstanding job on the Lozenge fuselage, smooth, clean, Outstanding. This should Garner some Gold at Nanton this year if they have it.
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Superbly done, Gary! This just looks awesome. The figures really set off the display.
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Gary,
Fantastic all the way around. ...the airplane. ...the figures. Just AMAZING !!
Paul
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Great build Gary! When I grow up, I hope I will be able to accomplish something like this, Bravo!
Kent
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Wow!
Outstanding, Gary
Regards
Dave
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Outstanding model and presentation
Steve
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Great finishing, she turned out beautiful.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Awesome one, Gary!
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Thanks so much for the very kind words to everyone who took the time to comment.
There was one note to the build I wanted to add. I did purchase the lower wing decals from Aviattic sheet 32019 which was labelled as Faded 5-colour lozenge. I've used these decals on previous builds. They appear quite bright, and I know it's possible to tone down the under laying white gloss paint to subdue this a bit. There was also a lot of rib tapes and edging to add...which would get seen how often? I thought about how much I lift my models up to look underneath, and couldn't even remember doing once. To match the colours of the Aviattic decal on the lower sides I'd have to experiment with different paint mixes, or I could save time and use the Tamiya paint call-outs in the instructions and apply the kit decals. . I admire those who go to the effort of adding the Aviattic decals to the underside, but for me it wasn't worth it.
Even though I did buy the underside after-market decals for this project, if Chief Superintendant Hastings of AC12 asked me "Did you, Gary Edmundson, actually use those decals on your model?...that's ok son...take your time..." I'd have to hang my head and reply "No Comment" ::)
Cheers,
Gary
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It's still a stunning build, Gary! And none of us picked that up! I do remember doing the WNW DVII in lozenge fabric wings ... OK decals until I realized the fabric printed decals had the wrong rib tapes... I had to apply light blue rib tapes over the 5-colour ones.... and line them up Exactly or else it would show... took me a year with breaks, it was that trying... so I understand fully.... ATB, Marc
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I love choice in modeling
Steve
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I think Ted Hastings would say - Jesus, Mary, Joseph .... and the wee Donkey!
... me, I'd say you are absolutely spot-on.
Splendiferous
Sandy