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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: Borsos on April 08, 2016, 08:07:26 AM
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Hello,
I am starting my first steps in bigger scale modelling. I think an Albatros D I is going to be a good start.
The kit does not look bad at all. I love those Roden kits since I built several in 1/72 about ten years ago.
But now I got some MGs from Gaspatch, the PE fret from PART and I am waiting for some HGW bezels.
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrogr/img_1065.jpg)
I found an older topic from mc65 about his Albatros D III build and decided to take it as a guide: http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=1836.0
Therefore me too adopted the "cancian style" and removed all the stringers from the inside of the fuselage and replaced them with evergreen strips.
Besides of the aforementioned topic and the WDFs there's the fantastic site of Koloman Mayrhofer : http://www.craftlab.at/index.php?id=59
(https://picload.org/image/rwalroga/img_1066.jpg)
I prepared the woodparts with gunze random after some preshading. Then I used some wood decals from Alex (Uschi van der Rosten), added some oils and gave it a coat of clear orange and clear yellow respectively (my camera accentuates the difference, in reality it's much softer). There's been a large dispute some years ago about the proper wood tones of the Albatros fighters in particular. The reason was like so often the contemporary orthocromatic film that shows yellow colors much darker than they actually were. So many profiles and builts of Albatros fighters with dark brown fuselages were called to be wrong. I for myself love a warm honey-shade in my wooden tones. Yes, of course, I could have kept the wood tones a little lighter. But I took as inspiration the wonderful piece of art from Dave Douglass, Albatros Fighters of WWI. There are plenty of brilliantly done profiles of Albatros Fighters; for me nothing entirely new regarding the depicted shemes, but actually a great piece of art, well researched and just really appetizing to build an Albatros... right now... immediately...
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrogi/img_1070.jpg)
I scratchbuilt a new seat. The well known pictures of a surviving D III seat and the pictures from the Koloman Mayrhofer site show, that the kit seat is wrongly shaped. The seat of the early Albatrosses was more ... ahem ... vintage style, looked more like granddads seat (I have no English words to precise that, just look for yourself :) ). Besides of that the pillow and the seat padding seem to be dark brown, not black, and seem to have different shades. So I decided to paint the Padding of the seat a lighte leather brown, the cushion is a black green. Leather, as wood, tends to darken over the years so this could have been similar to the original shade of the used leather. And I wanted a used look (and yes, you may ask why this seat looks that rotten after just some months of use, I'd answer "Well, the pilot was a messy guy.." ;) )
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrogl/img_1068.jpg)
and I went on with other maior components of the interior. One question is: Did the tanks of the early Albatrosses different from the D III tanks? I'll do some more research, but to be honest I like the tank as it went so far and if I won't find any information that proves me wrong, I'll go on with it...
Borsos
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You have made a great start on this build Borsos, the seat is spectacular.
Des.
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Absolutely outstanding start! The removal of the frames and using Evergreen strip is definitely a large improvement. As for the seat, it just might be the BEST I have ever seen! Lovely beginning to what I am sure will be a brilliant build! I am watching closely as I have an Encore DII and an OAW DIII in the stash!
RAGIII
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Borsos,
Outstanding first progress my friend. Your work on her seat is just awesome. Well Done!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Wow, Borsos, what a beautiful start! I am glad that you give Roden's D.I the honour, as I have recently bought one at the Euro Model Expo at Heiden. So I will follow this thread thoroughly!
Could you please tell us, which MGs exactly you got from Gaspatch? And Part's pe fret, is it especially for the D.I version? And what's the engine like in your opinion? I thought of getting one from Wingnut Wings (and use one of my WnW spare props too).
Looking foreward to your Albatros coming!
Richard
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Thank you for your kind words!
Richard, thank you for your questions - for one in particular...
Yes, PART offers a set for Rodens D I, here are some pics and details: http://www.jadarhobby.pl/part-s32034-albatros-di-132-p-17017.html (The Jadarshop is my favoured source for that cool Eastern European modelling stuff...)
If you have a WnW Mercedes D III at hand, I would recommend to use that. The Roden engine has some annoying sinkmarks and some flash between the cylinders where it is hard to remove it. I placed an order for a True Scale Resin piece (I'm curious when it comes. Maybe I'll plunder another kit to have a better engine before). I'll place some pics of the engine later on.
Which MGs I bought? Well Spandau 08/15, of course, what else ... the WDFs show all Albatros D I drawings with 08/15 guns and most pics of early Albatrosses (mainly D II) where you can have a closer look at their guns have 08/15 too. But your question made me having a fresh look into the dusty, long long time ignored Mini datafile 10 (Spandau Guns) and I read 08/15s were first introduced in January 1917. One should read such basic information more frequently... As my bird is a D I and the pics I have date November 1916, it of course needs two Spandau 08! I placed another order at Gaspatch and finally found a picture of a crashed Albatros D I in the WDF 100 showing defnitively Spandau 08 guns. Thank you again! :)
Andreas
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That looks like a great start, Andreas. Looking forward to seeing more.
Chris
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Terrific start, Andreas! The seat is a work of art...just gorgeous!
Your wood effects are extremely well done. A gem in the making,
my friend!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Great start Andreas. These Roden Kits have a lot to offer and I always enjoy them. I really like the wood tones you've achieved and your attention to details is already in full progress! I'm looking forward to following along on this Build.
Cheers,
Lance
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Hi, Borsos, thanx for the link to Jadar Hobby: I know, they have a god customer's service! Wingnut Wings sells the engine's sprues seperately, so I might order one from them. Gaspatch now offers three different Spandau 08 MGs, which was the reason for my question.
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Truly gorgeous work, Andreas! I love everything about it! Stick with the tank you've made. It's a beauty. How did you make the seat?
I'll be following this one very closely as I plan on doing a D.I very soon in 1/48 scale (Eduard/Karaya).
Cheers,
Bud
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Hello,
thank you very much for your kind words and your support!
Waiting for my resin engine here are some minor updates:
heavily reworked stick (badly photographed... sorry)
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrogw/img_1091.jpg)
amo boxes (which don't look that dirty in reality... I'm not too satisfied with them and will probabely rework them. I promise I'll stop trying to replicate nuts/screws or nailheads by making holes. It doesn't look convincing in 1/32 and next to some molded nuts.):
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrorr/img_1092.jpg)
And the almost finished fuel tank; it still needs some washes. Lead seams are done with diluted Vallejo Aluminium:
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrora/img_1093.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalrorl/img_1094.jpg)
Bud, the seat was done by cutting a floor part out of 0,75mm plasticcard and a backpart out of 0,5mm plastic card. Getting this round meant using a pen to roll it. Then it's glued with normal plastic glue and when it set I sanded it to the correct shape. For the padding I used APOXIE Sculpt (it's about 10 years old, but sadly I'm slowly running out of it. Don't know if it's still available. Best stuff for sculpting, much better than Magic sculpt or the other stuff. It doesn't smear at all like many other products do). I rolled it flat and let it set for a while. then I glued it onto the back of the seat with superglue while it was still workable, sculpted folds and seans with a toothpick and added lead wire to accentuate the seams. The pillow was made quite the same way besides of adding some "buttons" with a punch and die set.
Best wishes
Borsos
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Very nice...
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Very nice...
A very nice from Bo equals an Outstanding from me 8) Inspiring work although I am not sure if you are making me want to start my DIII or thinking I should just knit :o
RAGIII
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Very nice...
A very nice from Bo equals an Outstanding from me 8) Inspiring work although I am not sure if you are making me want to start my DIII or thinking I should just knit :o
RAGIII
I'm with Rick on this one, Borsos. Great detailing! Rick, forget the knitting, I can get you a discounted Membership in the Wife's Quilting Club!? ;D ::)
Cheers!
Lance
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You are moving along very nicely with this build Borsos, it is looking excellent.
Des.
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very nice start
and your seat with its cushion is absolutly fantastic
I'm looking forward
very impressive
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That is gorgeous. I love the warm wood tones and I especially love that seat. I want to try that on my next seat.
James
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really looking good, await next update !
Ed
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Thank you very much! I'm happy that you like it :)
Today I got the Workingplace of the pilot busier. The devices are upgraded kitparts using the PE fret or scratchbuilt:
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrori/img_1100.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalrorw/img_1102.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalroda/img_1103.jpg)
I can say now I fell definitely in love with that project and the bigger scale...
The metal rod for the air speed indicator and the rear mounts of the MGs is a prominent feature of all Albatros scouts. Roden has added two small blocks on each end and wants you to glue the rod under the top stringer. that's what I did first. Testfitting the MG's (Gaspatch already delivered the proper MGs, the Spandau 08):
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrodw/img_1104.jpg)
It is not just the angle of the photo: The MGs look upward as if it were Boelkes Fokker E IV...
The simple solution is to cut the blocks...
(https://picload.org/image/rwalroar/img_1105.jpg)
... and to glue the rod between the two upper stringers. Now the MGs fit like they should
(https://picload.org/image/rwalroaa/img_1106.jpg)
And on the real thing this installation is the correct one anyway - between, not under the top stringers.
Thank you
Borsos
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You have done a beautiful job with the interior, the painting and detailing is superb, the wood colours are excellent.
Des.
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Looking great!
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Borsos,
Outstanding interior my friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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great work borsos
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Beautiful and most interesting for me, Borsos, as I now have ordered GasPatch's Spandaus as well as Part's PE too. Wingnut Wing's 160 hp Mercedes engine is still on my wishlist...
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The cockpit interior is stunning Borsos. Very pleasing wood colours, the
control stick is a gorgeous job, as well as the fuel tank. Your work on the
Spandau mounting is very helpful. Terrific update, my friend!
Cheers,
Ernie
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Borsos,
Your work on the interior is superb; the crisp, clean, and very defined detail all come together beautifully. One of the nicest cockpit jobs I've seen here, really nicely done!
Cheers,
Lance
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fabulous interior
what a job
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Hello,
thank you very much for your kind words and your support!
Waiting for my resin engine here are some minor updates:
heavily reworked stick (badly photographed... sorry)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpslm63r9o8.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpslm63r9o8.jpeg.html)
amo boxes (which don't look that dirty in reality... I'm not too satisfied with them and will probabely rework them. I promise I'll stop trying to replicate nuts/screws or nailheads by making holes. It doesn't look convincing in 1/32 and next to some molded nuts.):
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsejqz0rxc.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsejqz0rxc.jpeg.html)
And the almost finished fuel tank; it still needs some washes. Lead seams are done with diluted Vallejo Aluminium:
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsxhoghese.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsxhoghese.jpeg.html)
Hi Borsos
This might cheer you up.
https://www.avesstudio.com/apoxie/apoxie-sculpt
Cheers
Andrew
Bud, the seat was done by cutting a floor part out of 0,75mm plasticcard and a backpart out of 0,5mm plastic card. Getting this round meant using a pen to roll it. Then it's glued with normal plastic glue and when it set I sanded it to the correct shape. For the padding I used APOXIE Sculpt (it's about 10 years old, but sadly I'm slowly running out of it. Don't know if it's still available. Best stuff for sculpting, much better than Magic sculpt or the other stuff. It doesn't smear at all like many other products do). I rolled it flat and let it set for a while. then I glued it onto the back of the seat with superglue while it was still workable, sculpted folds and seans with a toothpick and added lead wire to accentuate the seams. The pillow was made quite the same way besides of adding some "buttons" with a punch and die set.
Best wishes
Borsos
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Thank you very much for your support, guys!
Thank you Andrew, these are very good news! I cannot phraise this stuff high enough (at least this old stuff I still use, but I hope, they continued producing their stuff on a high level of quality).
And more good news: I am not wrong with my fuel tank. I found a pic of an Albatros D I/II tank (it seems to be a little more rounded on the underside, but that won't be visible when the fuselage is closed).
Best wishes
Borsos
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Hmmm that sure looks like a DV tank to me -- how can you tell this mess is a D.I/D.II?
At this point I'm going with the illustrations from Flight for mine...
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I wrote an Email to craftlab and simply asked Koloman Mayrhofer for any information about an Albatros D I/II tank and that's one of the pics he kindly sent me. He told me that documentation about the Alb. D I in particular were sadly quite rare due to the short production time. I trust him and his knowledge to distinguish between the Albatros variants. And if you take a closer look at this pic of the Koloman Mayrhofer replic of a D II, you actually can see the soldering points and the roundness of the tank there too. It seems rounder to me than Roden's kit tank:
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsw4qshqsw.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsw4qshqsw.jpeg.html)
That leads me to the conclusion, that the tanks of the Albatros fighters probably werde of quite similar design and that the drawing in the Flight magazine just simplifies things a bit. But that's of course just my interpretation of this question...
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Well, if Koloman says so...that certainly carries a lot of weight. Still I don't quite understand how one can be sure the photo of the wreck is a D.I. Maybe there is some other evidence that supports it...?
If it is true, it seems you are right, there is no mystery to the shape of the earlier Albatros fighterrs' tanks - they are simply exactly like those in the D.V...
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Maybe there is some other evidence that supports it...?
Sadly not really. I've got this drawing that depicts the whole tank affair as almost circular:
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpszxo2tdae.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpszxo2tdae.jpeg.html)
At least it separates the oiltank and the fueltank clearly ("Beschläge" means fasteners...)
And here are three shots of a tank in an early Albatros fighter (straight sides, so no D V - but no idea where they came from), but sadly they do not show the underside/front. but again I (think I) see soldering points under the dust and two different tanks connected by fasteners.
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpsag5cjnd9.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpsag5cjnd9.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zps7oekjnmq.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zps7oekjnmq.jpeg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p640/borsos/image_zpstx2jtg5t.jpeg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/borsos/media/image_zpstx2jtg5t.jpeg.html)
Still I don't quite understand how one can be sure the photo of the wreck is a D.I.
Me too. I have no idea. Without having done some research in Albatros tanks I think I for myself wouldn't have identified this wreck as an airplane at all... But I have seen specialists doing the most incredible things...
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The color photos are the Canberra D.Va prior to restoration. There are no known earlier Albatros fighters surviving.
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I m a little late here but wow you are making Awesome progress! As for the tank I think you have it nailed from what reliable info you have gathered!
RAGIII
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The color photos are the Canberra D.Va prior to restoration. There are no known earlier Albatros fighters surviving.
Ahem .. and I would have bet they were not from a D V because of the straight sides... well, to err is human, to Arrr is pirate...
Some minor progress on the kit: I scratchbuilt a compass, an item sadly totally absent in the Roden kit.
Thank you all!
Borsos
P. S.: Something I've forgotten: The inscription on the document (of unknown provenience) says "main fuel tank ... interchangeable between D II (that's what this paper talks about, look at the upper right corner) D I and D III". That would mean that at least Albatros D I-III had the same main fuel tank...
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Outstanding compass!
RAGIII
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between D II (that's what this paper talks about, look at the upper right corner) D I and D III". That would mean that at least Albatros D I-III had the same main fuel tank...
Yes, I had heard that -- but the revelation here to me is that the D.I/II/III tank is essentially interchangeable with the D.V/a tank!!! believe me, I've spent a long time studying the D.V tank, and the photo from KM really looks to me to be exactly like it. (we are looking at the back of it in the photo)
(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh640/UncleTony1917/flugzeugwerke/r1_zpspjulg82b.jpg)
(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh640/UncleTony1917/flugzeugwerke/r8_zpsawwy9adt.jpg)
Anyway, not to sidetrack your build -- good stuff, Borsos!
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Spectacular interior work, Borsos! Truly inspirational!
Cheers,
Bud
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Spectacular interior work, Borsos! Truly inspirational!
Cheers,
Bud
Agree with my Amigo !
Ed
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Outstanding interior Borsos.
Cheers
Martin
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Andreas,
This gets better with every post. I'll echo the others: truly inspirational!
Chris
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Hello,
thank you very much for your kind words!
Bo, these are great pics of your shapeways tanks and when I'll be working on my D V I think I'll get one printed for me... :)
I'm back at the workbench and prepaired the engine for painting (they still need some strokes with sand paper here and there). In the end I used a WNW Mercedes D III and added some Taurus parts that fit the engine perfectly.
(https://picload.org/image/rwaldddi/img_1240.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalddar/img_1244.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalddaa/img_1245.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalddal/img_1246.jpg)
The parts with green stuff are Roden kit parts. They still need some filling and sanding before painting.
The Exhaust stack needs some minor rework to fit the WnW engine, but nothing really difficult to do.
(https://picload.org/image/rwalddaw/img_1286.jpg)
Kind regards
Borsos
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wonderful work borsos
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It's a joy to watch your excellent work taking shape, Borsos. I enjoyed
the discussion of the fuel tanks. The improvements to the Roden engine
make a great difference. Nice update, my friend!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Thank you Scott and Ernie!
Still on the cockpit today. It gets busier and busier. The thing is not to add something that blocks the way for something else...
(https://picload.org/image/rwalddla/img_1300.jpg)
(https://picload.org/image/rwalddll/img_1301.jpg)
(https://picload.org/image/rwalddlw/img_1303.jpg)
frequent dryfitting is very important with this kit. I cross my fingers that everything fits that way when everything is glued in place and the fuselage is closed (the decking will be placed some millimeters back to get the MGs fit the ammunition boxes...
I started to rework the upper decking. I added stretched sprue to represent the crimped metal and thinned the part carefully from the inside.
Tomorrow when the glue has set, I'll sand it smooth.
Thank you!
Borsos
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Oh my that is coming together beautifully!
Chris
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Borsos,
That is absolutely beautiful, just spectacular! Lovely work, and a real testament to your skills. It is inspirational work in fact, makes me want to work slower and better.
Cheers,
Lance
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Spectacular work on the interior Borsos, this is looking superb.
Des.
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I found this part the most awkward to fit part of any of the Roden Albatros I've built. The cowling itself is supposed to be in 4 quarters like later Albi's sectioned at the nose and around the front cabanes. If I remember correctly Roden's rendition of this is quite lacking. The fit of it is quite bad sometimes too and I ve resorted to dismembering it into its seperate components and fettling them together before usually. Not knocking the kit it's just the way it is ;)
the front cowlings should have spring catches like the later albatros at the front. one especially holding the frint two together in front of the engine. the central tongue between the guns should be in sheet metal too. the rear section around the cockpit being in ply of course.
On the point of cabane struts, these should go through the cowling and coaming and fix to the main fuselage longerons,not sit in recesses. I know it's not so easy to rebuild the cabane itself but adding the internal part only might be good as your cockpit otherwise looks quite superb. I do love what you've done rebuilding the internal structure too, I did similar to my D.II many years ago. My Roden D.I was the first biplane I finished to a decent standard and set my interest in WWI aircraft and the rest is history. ;D
Many thanks for sharing your artistry.
Keith
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Beautiful work, Borsos. You are showing us just what can be achieved at the highest level.
Best wishes
Nigel
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That is a fantastic work there Borsos!!! It only makes me more sad that Roden no longer makes WWI 1/32 as this is a great example what beauty can be made out of it... I mean that It would be nice to have WWI 1.32 model stash growing little faster :D
Cheerio
Lukas
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That is a fantastic work there Borsos!!! It only makes me more sad that Roden no longer makes WWI 1/32 as this is a great example what beauty can be made out of it... I mean that It would be nice to have WWI 1.32 model stash growing little faster :D
Cheerio
Lukas
I have to agree. It seems Roden could have gone in directions like W4 s, Austro Hungarian subjects, Russian , etc. and had no interference from WNW. Instead they folded their hand. As for This build I must say I am very impressed. My first 1/32nd build was a Roden kit and I have built 2 of the Albatros releases, the DIII and DI. Borsos yours is just Magnificent! Like Lance said I found the fit of the cowlings to be difficult. I also cut them into sections. I actually left the panels off on the DIII. I am sure you will work everything out beautifully!
RAGIII
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Spectacular work on the interior Borsos, this is looking superb.
Des.
I agree with Des
beautiful
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Exellent work to the cockpit.
Cheers
Martin
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Thank you all for your interest and your kind words!
It only makes me more sad that Roden no longer makes WWI 1/32 as this is a great example what beauty can be made out of it... I mean that It would be nice to have WWI 1.32 model stash growing little faster :D
I couldn't agree more, Lukas. I actually like the Roden kits (well, I am not that far regarding the problematic points of this kit...), I have seen some builts of the Alby D III and although the builders critizised the difficulties they had to face building it, all models kept the beautiful shape of the Albatros perfectly. And that's what a model should do isn't it?
Tonight I almoust finished my interior work (besides of the engine):
I added a linen cover behind the seat following the replic of Koloman Mayrhofer. The brass buttons are made out of bare metal foil with my punch and die set, an expensive but valuable investment.
I added Aviattic linen decals and some weathering and shading.
(https://picload.org/image/rwalddlr/img_1296.jpg)
The cowling itself is supposed to be in 4 quarters like later Albi's sectioned at the nose and around the front cabanes. If I remember correctly Roden's rendition of this is quite lacking.
Yes, for luck the datafile is crystal clear regarding that point. I added some detail with a sharp blade and some sanding
(https://picload.org/image/rwalddli/img_1302.jpg)
the front cowlings should have spring catches like the later albatros at the front. one especially holding the frint two together in front of the engine. the central tongue between the guns should be in sheet metal too. the rear section around the cockpit being in ply of course.
The springs will be added later when it comes to detailing the outside of the fuselage. I think the main part of the tongue is ply, metal just when it gets wider at the end...
On the point of cabane struts, these should go through the cowling and coaming and fix to the main fuselage longerons,not sit in recesses.
Thank you for that point, Keith, I hadn't thought about that. Well, I just have to find a way to replicate this...
The seat was glued in today too.
I do not like PE harness, because it is stiff and quickly can look unrealistic. I prefer making my own using the pe parts I like. So I cut the PART belts into pieces and added some wiring. The shoulder harness itself is tea bag. I liked the texture. I glued it in place soaking it with diluted white glue.
(https://picload.org/image/rwalddai/img_1248.jpg)
Best wishes
Borsos
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Tea bag? Tea bag!!!! (light bulb appears over head) One package of bags could do a lot of seat belts. I really like what you are doing with this kit.
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Brilliant idea for the harness, I have to agree about PE Harness, and a gtreat tip. I've often used lead strips, paper and other things, must try Teabags. ;D
Keith
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What a great idea about the teabags, Borsos! I will certainly
have to shamelessly steal that one, my friend. ;) Your seatbelts,
and for that matter everything else in the cockpit are brilliant.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Your work on the Albatros continues to be suprb! Like the others I will have to try the Tea Bags!
RAGIII
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Lovely work, Borsos! This kind of detailing will help any Albatros model, in any scale... and yes, I'm going to start drinking tea! I'm really liking this... Regards, Marc
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Hello,
thank you - as usual - for your support and your interest. I'm happy that you like that tea bag thing :). Today I added some paint, some washes and some highlights with oils.
I painted the guns using a base of black and gun metall out of the tube. You can use these paints with a brush, q-tip or cotton cloth. The turpentine of the oil wash hasn't evaporated entirely, therefore some holes in the cooling jackets are still black
I painted also the maior parts of the engine and added some washing and highlighting. I am deeply impressed how well these taurus resin parts fit the WNW engine which is even without additional resin a little beauty and fits perfectly.
(https://picload.org/image/rwalddaw/img_1286.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalddlw/img_1303.jpg)
The detailed pictures of an early Mercedes D III in the engine-section of this forum shot by Bertl at Oberschleißheim are a great help painting the engine.
Not much progress for today, because it was a long and hard day repairing some annoying stuff on our house (I am neither a carpenter nor a plasterer as I had to realize today again...)
Please tell me if these detailed posts are boring and I should shorten them a bit.
Thank you!
Borsos
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Boring!!!! Hardly... I think not. The engine is looking resplendant.
Keith
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Awesome engine ! Your posts are far from boring, don't change anything you are doing!
RAGIII
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Excellent work so far Borsos, I am enjoying every post you make so please don't change anything, and thanks for the tip about the tea bags for the seat belts.
Des.
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Keep the posts coming, Borsos: the work is terrific, and the explanations are enlightening.
Chris
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Like the others I enjoy your updates, Borsos, and they are anything but too detailed or boring. This is a terrific Build and I am enjoying every bit of information you provide.
Cheers,
Lance
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your job is fantastic
great
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Your posts are anything but boring, Borsos! I always look forward to them, so
keep up the good work, my friend!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Brilliant painting and work, Borsos.
Cheers
Martin
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Hey folks,
thanks a lot! I really appreciate that.
Tonight some updates: Seatbelts are done:
(https://picload.org/image/rwalddlr/img_1296.jpg)
When the engine's finished, then it's time to close the fuselage. Of course there are many things that could still be done with the engine. To see how much would be visible, I made some dryfitting of all the components I've been working on yet:
(https://picload.org/image/rwalddoa/img_1291.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalddol/img_1292.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalddoi/img_1293.jpg)
At least engine, MGs and exhaust are not blocking each other
(https://picload.org/image/rwalddow/img_1294.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalroai/img_1376.jpg)
When I build an airplane, it's the overall appearance that strikes me. And leaving off parts of the fuselage changes the silhouette of the plane. So I'm not a big fan of leaving of parts to show the inside of the fuselage. Well, but that means there won't be seen much of the engine. I'll finish it soon without much more detailing. I'm no fan neither of detailing things just to know that they are there...
To ease closing the fuselage and properly placing it's guts I glued the two fuselage parts leaving off the front portion. So the interior can be added through the front. But the engine needs to be glued into the wooden frames first. For that's a tight fit. The WNW engine seems to be slightly bigger than the kit engine...
Things are starting to get shape...
Thank you!
Borsos
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Great to see it coming together so beautifully, Borsos!! And I really like your attitude that it's the "overall appearance that strikes" you: Same with me, absolutely!
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Very cool stuff. Love the work you are doing inside. Great idea with the tea bag. I have used mesh tea bags for fine screen but never thought of this. Will raid the pantry tonight.
James
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Ditto all the above comments, keep the posts coming !!
Ed
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Great stuff, Borsos!
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Good evening gentlemen,
thank you very much for your kind, encouraging words! You really help me very much with that. :)
Tonight I finished the interior including the engine. I won't detail it more, it won't be visible.
(https://picload.org/image/rwalddll/img_1301.jpg)
I changed the cable of the shot counter clock (is this the propper term?) and added the Machine guns and empty cartridge connections between gun and box. Here I actually would like to give two recommendations regarding the built:
1) I didn't regret having glued the engine in place and after this adding the wiring. It's no problem to detail the engine when it's glued in place.
2) Especially when using aftermarket guns I would highly recommend to align engine, MGs and empty cartridge before adding the upper decking.
If you cut the decking at the front (where it is split in reality anyway), you can bend both halves and add the decking in spite of fully mounted guns:
(https://picload.org/image/rwalddli/img_1302.jpg)
Thank you for your attention.
Best wishes
Borsos
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The interior work and your attention to detail is superb, the engine also looks excellent, I really like the seat belts.
Des.
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Excellent work on the Alby, Borsos. I really appreciate your tips as the build
progresses. The interior work, including the engine and guns looks great,
my friend.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Looks absolutely terrific, Borsos! You are really bringing this kit to life.
Chris
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Those seatbelts are among the best I have ever seen in my "modelling life". Very well done.
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You've put a lot off effort into the interior,Borsos,I like the used look of the seat best!Be sure to glue the fuselagehalves well together,when I built the Roden DIII they cracked open along the spine just when I had finished painting it :(
cheers
Matz
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You've put a lot off effort into the interior,Borsos,I like the used look of the seat best!Be sure to glue the fuselagehalves well together,when I built the Roden DIII they cracked open along the spine just when I had finished painting it :(
cheers
Matz
Good point, I re-inforced all mine with strip behind the seam after suffering a similar issue.
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Good point, I re-inforced all mine with strip behind the seam after suffering a similar issue.
Thanks for the warning, Matz, and Keith, that is a good idea. I will remember to do that!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Thank you Mathias and kornbeef for the warning and the hint! I have done that too, I glued two plastic strips to strengthen the joint.
(https://picload.org/image/rwalddcr/img_1312.jpg)
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Great tip guys! I am going to use this not only on my Roden Albatri but on the WNW DVII with which I have had similar problems in the past!
RAGIII
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you make a very great job
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Thank you, guys!
Meanwhile I painted the engine covering (gloss black, Alclad II aluminium, MIG chipping fluid, Gunze RLM02, highlights and shadows) I scratched it a little bit and sealed it with future. I'll never get a better oportunity to paint it when it is glued in place.
Adding the upper decking was a tight fit. It was one of the more difficult steps, because I, of course, had created my own traps: When I had removed the molded on stringers, I only had had in mind "scale thickness" and had sanded down the fuselage walls. Don't do that! You need the thickness of the plastic to have room to glue the covering on...
Anyway, it looks quite O. K. now. Fuselage is closed, now it goes to detailing the exterior.
(https://picload.org/image/rwalroal/img_1375.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalroai/img_1376.jpg)
Thank you!
Borsos
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The top deck looks great in place, Borsos. Thanks for the warning
about not sanding the fuselage walls. Nice progress, my friend.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Beautiful work! I am sooooo tempted to do a Roden Albatros Now! Very Inspiring!!
RAGIII
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Gorgeous work on the top decking, Borsos!
Cheers,
Bud
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Beautiful work, Borsos, and some really useful tips... pure inspiration! Regards, Marc.
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Hey Borsos!
you are doing a very good job! As other have already said: truly inspitring!
ciao
edo
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Great, simply great. I love the Interieur.
Manfred
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just found that build and catch up - wonderfull and insipiring work!
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Thank you so much, guys, for your kind words and your support.
After having closed the fuselage I sanded the seems and rescribed the panellines. Then the question rose if the lower wing part should be added right now. I think there are three ways to deal with that area:
1. Adding the whole part. Then fuselage and lower wings are strongly connected and it might become more difficult to work on the fuselage.
2. leaving this part off until having finished the whole detailing and paintjob on the fuselage. In this case the part would have to fit the fuselage perfectly and not show any signs of missalignment.
3. Cutting the middle part, adding this to the fuselage and finishing the fuselage as a whole. Then adding both lower wings by pinning them with brassrod.
For 2. the fitting of this kit isn't good enough and for 3. I was too afraid to weaken the whole affaitr too much, so i opted nolens volens for 1: The fitting really wasn't great and I did a lot of sanding and reworking to get those components together.
After closing a fuselage I always want to check, how the finished plane would look like and if every main component fits the model. I hate bad surprises when a paintjob is finished. To add more strength to the kit I replaced the interplane struts with brass tube, where I inserted a thinner brassrod and soldered the joints. A very similar method I chose for the landing gear, I did not want to place such a heavy model on tiny plastic struts...
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrooa/img_1704.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalrooi/img_1745.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalroow/img_1746.jpg)
The upper wing and the lower wing were bent. I realized that after tryfitting the wings. I needed some time with a hairdryer and some unrepeatable words which are not for children's ears (I hate bent wings...) before both wings were straight. It seems like I had got a bad copy of the Roden kit, because the same parts in the Encore Albatros D II, that shares the plastic parts with this kit, were wonderfully straight.
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrool/img_1705.jpg)
Thanks to the well enginered and perfectly fitting cabane struts, the whole strut affair on the Albatros D I is pretty simple.
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrola/img_1753.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalrolr/img_1751.jpg)
The fitting of the rest of the main Parts isn't bad neither.
I like the overall appearance of that kit, it really looks like an Albatros. Now it has to go on with detailing and painting the main subassemblies. Let's hope that it still looks like an Albatros after this ...
Thank you
Borsos
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You are doing a superb job with this Roden kit Borsos and it certainly is looking like an Albatros.
Des.
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Borsos,
This is really coming along nicely, it's going to be a beautiful model. I'm impressed with your inter-plane struts; is that pre-formed "Strutz" Product or did you flatten it yourself? Either way it's very nicely done. I have the Encore DII as well and will have to check those wings!
Cheers,
Lance
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Borsos,
This is really coming along nicely, it's going to be a beautiful model. I'm impressed with your inter-plane struts; is that pre-formed "Strutz" Product or did you flatten it yourself? Either way it's very nicely done. I have the Encore DII as well and will have to check those wings!
Cheers,
Lance
Borsos, Lance asked my question about the interplane struts. Looks like a neat technique. In any
regard, the Alby is certainly shaping up nicely, despite the little wing problem. Well done, my friend.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Borsos,
Your Albatros continues to be an inspiring and beautiful build! The struts are perfect. Nice work on flattening out those wings!
RAGIII
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great job
this albatros is fabulous
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Borsos,
Outstanding project my friend. I'm glad to see the Roden kit being so expertly constructed. Your thread is a most excellent reference for anyone building up a Albatros D.I. Well done and keep up the outstanding progress.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Neat idea with those brass rods - would like to learn the method you used with a little bit more detail, like the others that have asked.
S.
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i like your progress. very nice work on this classic kit
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Hello friends,
Thank you all for your support, and a special thank to Bertl, your Pics are extremely valuable for my built (I even realized that I trapped into a trap that I had dig myself, but more on this later)...
Of course I can show you the way I do my struts. These are no preformed "strutz" material, because I read much about it and had searched the internet for it several times but never got my hands on this stuff. Anyway, there's another way:
This is an inconspicious but valuable tool that I had bought some years ago from Albion Alloys. It's called "the strutter":
Edit: I add here a link to Richards MS L build, where this technique was discussed some times later:
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=8340.0
then I solder the ends (to connect rod and tube) and sand it down. That's it: very strong struts.
And here's the other occasion when I use this tool: squeezing veneer for carving props...
(https://picload.org/image/rwalroaw/img_1701.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalroor/img_1702.jpg)
Thank you!
Borsos
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Thanks for your explanation Borsos. I've considered the "Strutter" in the past, I think I'll look on line to see if it's still available. I like the idea of using it to laminate veneers for props too, mine sometimes slip in the vice and are ruined. Strutz are no longer available which is too bad, I really liked them but with your tool and some brass tube it should be easy to duplicate.
Cheers,
Lance
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Thanks for your explanation Borsos. I've considered the "Strutter" in the past, I think I'll look on line to see if it's still available. I like the idea of using it to laminate veneers for props too, mine sometimes slip in the vice and are ruined. Strutz are no longer available which is too bad, I really liked them but with your tool and some brass tube it should be easy to duplicate.
Cheers,
Lance
Here's one place, Lance...http://www.redfroghobbies.com/products.php?cat=45&scat=351&prodline=Albion_Alloys_Tools
Excellent work, Borsos. You have certainly mastered the use of this tool. Very nice, my friend!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Thanks for the Link, Ernie. I'd given up the search after I couldn't find it at any of my regular places.
Cheers,
Lance
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Borsos,
Lovely struts and great idea. I do something similar but in 1/48th using 1/16th inch aluminum tubing and a vice. Smash 'em and they look really nice and airfoiled enough for that scale.
yours are in another league, however...! :o
Thanks for sharing.
Dan
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Thank you guys!
I finished all details that I wanted to do before painting:
The Windhoff ear radiators are from the PART PE set. I have no idea yet how exactly to improve them, I think, I like them as they are
(https://picload.org/image/rwalroll/img_1754.jpg)
Now the whole thing gets separated into its pieces again and needs to have a careful cleanup for painting. And I need to clean up my Workingplace from all the sanding dust. Puuuh :(
Thank you for your interest!
Borsos
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Wow, Andreas, she's looking gorgeous! Can't wait to see her with paint on. Those radiators look awesome. Wish I had those in 1/48.
Cheers,
Bud
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Great update Borsos, and your mastery of Photo Etch is very apparent. The "ear" radiators are beautifully done, like Bud I'm anxious to see her with some colour!
Cheers,
Lance
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Andreas,
This continues to be a treat to follow. Every time I look in I see something new to be inspired by.
Chris
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Wonderful, Borsos! I am still following your build eagerly!
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Perhaps the BEST Roden Albatros I have seen! I am really looking forward to seeing this one painted and decalled!
RAGIII
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Each update gets better and better, you are doing a superb job with this build, love those radiators.
Des.
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It's looking great. Can't wait to see some paint on it.
Manni
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Really nice update, Borsos. The bungees look terrific and The PE Radiators
will really look great on the model. The Cabanes/Spandaus/top deck already
looks amazingly realistic. Beautiful work, my friend!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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exceptional work
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Thank you all again!
For now some first shots of paint. This time I used the much phraised Drooling Bulldog paints for the first time. And in my opinion they deserve every phraise they get. They spray perfectly in multiple thin layers to build up an interesting coat of paint. At first I sprayed the white fields for the underside crosses and played a little around with stripey spraying...
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrocl/img_1779.jpg)
metal parts get their Alclad II polished aluminium paint over a glossy black
(https://picload.org/image/rwalroli/img_1764.jpg)
thats "blaßblauer" for the undersides (which should be labelled "blassblau", but the color itself is fine ;) ):
shading the ribs with Gunze's smoke:
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrocw/img_1782.jpg)
and toning down the effect a bit:
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrocr/img_1772.jpg)
Drooling Bulldog - Highly recommended! I can't wait to try out the other tones on the upper sides of the wings. But first I have to care for the rib tapes there...
Thank you!
Borsos
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Ah, yes.
It is looking very nice. Hmm...Drooling Bulldog. Completely unknown in Germany I think.
Manni
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Excellent work painting the wings Borsos, the blue is very attractive.
Des.
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I think drooling bulldog is mainly marketed to this forum.the designers are members here and news posted regularly.
To borsos I salute you.very nice paint work
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Beautiful painting ! You are certainly inspiring me not only to build an Albatros but to get the Drooling Bulldog colors!
RAGIII
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Gorgeous!!
Chris
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Simply stunning paint work, Andreas! Really looking forward to your next update. Are you using Drooling Bulldog on the upper surfaces as well? I'll have to order some of these.
Cheers,
Bud
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and toning down the effect a bit
How did you do that?
S.
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Hello,
sorry for my late reply and again thank you very much for your kind comments!
Are you using Drooling Bulldog on the upper surfaces as well?
Yes, Bud, I use these Drooling Bulldog Colors for the upper camouflage as well. When it comes to the colors I followed "The Camouflage and Markings of the Albatros D.II Aircraft" by Dan-San Abbott (http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26276), that means I used three tones: a dark, olive green, a light green and a red, "Venetian"
brown. Regarding the exact pattern I interpreted the pics in the WDF 100.
(https://picload.org/image/rwalropl/img_1899.jpg)
This time I wasn't too convinced about the Color shade (or I used the wrong Colors?) For the light green I used "blaßgrün" - too dark in my opinion, and for the venetian red neither "caput mortuum" nor "raw Umber" seemed to fit the tone I had in mind and in the end I used Revell 37. For the olive green I used "olivgrün" - a Little bit on the dark side for me too.
So I repainted the wings and added some yellow and white to the "blaßgrün" and to the olive green. Now I liked it much better.
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrowi/img_1905.jpg)
I stored my mixed Colors in some old cleaned bottles that i always use for my own mixes. One of the bottles was made of plastic... The next day I found the plastic bottle melted by the paint. Well, it's enamel and I had just used acrylics for the last about 8 years... I felt sad for the pretty Color and had no mixed spare paint now to touch up any possible faults... :(
The Roden decals are famous for being awfull and these here sadly were no exception. I would have had to stop this tragedy before the decals stuck too well on the painted white fields.
Painted crosses for the undersides...
(https://picload.org/image/rwalropr/img_1898.jpg)
Shadowing again with Mr Color smoke; then normally I would again tone down this effect...
How did you do that?
Stephan, I tone down the shadows by overspraying the shadowed wing with diluted blue/Brown/green Color. But as I had no light green here any more, I couldn't tone down the whole affair on the upper wings...
Next Step: Prepairing the fuselage for the Wood decals. That meant preshading
(https://picload.org/image/rwalropi/img_1900.jpg)
Overspraying with diluted Mr. Color "random"
(https://picload.org/image/rwalropw/img_1901.jpg)
lightening up with white
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrowr/img_1902.jpg)
and overpainting again every wooden Panel in a slightly different shade
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrowa/img_1903.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalrowl/img_1904.jpg)
(that takes ist time since it's better to leave the Colors enough time to dry before masking them).
So much for now - as always any comments, critics, questions are welcome!
Thank you
Borsos
P. S.: Manni, you can find the Drooling Bulldog paints here, if you like them:http://www.droolingbulldog.com/ (I have no Connection to the seller, I am just a happy customer ... with a melted plastic bottle...)
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The upper surface colors look terrific! I am so happy they will soon be available through a US distributer! Your pre shading and artistic approach is terrific also!
RAGIII
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Wonderful work, nice recovery on the decals too, I can't wait to see the wood take shape, from what I see so far it's going to look wonderful.
Keith
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Great colours on the wings, Borsos, and the wood fuselage is going to be spectacular. The Drooling Bulldog paints are looking more interesting every time I see them; I'll have to get and try a few samples when the North American source becomes available.
Cheers,
Lance
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Magnificent work, Andreas! The painted crosses look amazing as does your shading. The DB colors look fantastic and I'll definitely use them on subsequent Albarosen. Very much looking forward to your application of Uschi's decals.
Cheers,
Bud
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Thank you all!
I had to go on with the fuselage tonight, I am very curious too how the wood decals will look on it.
(https://picload.org/image/rwalroww/img_1915.jpg)
On the metal parts of the engine cover you can see a large metallic patch: Although I had avoided to use hairspray and had used Migs Chipping fluid that contrary to normal hairspray should harden some days after using and build up a strong connection between the two layers of paint it separates, when I removed the masking tape, the connection between aluminium and green was not strong enough here :(
The fuselage looks quite patchy, but it has to, because the decals will soften the contrast between the wooden panels.
The first decal :) :
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrlgr/img_1917.jpg)
Kind regards
Borsos
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Oh that is going to look terrific, Borsos! Sorry to hear about the mishap, but despite the inconvenience, I am sure that repair will pose little challenge to you.
Chris
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Are you going to add the valves on the fuselage's belly at a later stage, or are you going to leave them off?
S.
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Are you going to add the valves on the fuselage's belly at a later stage, or are you going to leave them off?
S.
Do you mean the drainage holes? Those, the air intakes, flaps and all other exterior detail on the fuselage will be added after decaling the fuselage and sealing the decals with varnish. As I have no plans of the exact location of the drainage holes in my Windsock plans, I'll follow this threat: http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=1836.120 (look at pic 4868 for the drainage holes). I'll not only use wood decals, I'll use HGW nailing decals for the nails too. so I want as less obstacles as possible for these procedures to get a smooth decalled finish.
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Do you mean the drainage holes?
Yes, indeed.
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very good job
excellent
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Outstanding painting on the fuselage panels. This will certainly look spectacular when the wood grain is finished! I love your work!
RAGIII
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This is quite a terrific and informative build to follow...many thanks for sharing your talents with us.
May I ask, what sort of decals are you using for the exterior wood grain? If you have mentioned it previously I shall need to have my spectacles changed.
Best regards,
DP
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Wow! A whole lot more very useful details and techniques! And looking Great! Marc.
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Good evening and thank you very much for your kind comments!
May I ask, what sort of decals are you using for the exterior wood grain? If you have mentioned it previously I shall need to have my spectacles changed.
I use Uschi van der Rostens wood decals, "Ronny Bar", "fine veneer" and "knotless" are the names of the sheets I used. Sorry, I think I didn't mention that before. so your spectacles are fine :). I mixed these types as Bud did it with his 1/48 Gavia Albatros D I build:
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrlga/img_1928.jpg)
After decalling almost the whole fuselage I gave it a shot of future mixed with Mr. Colour Clear Yellow. I wanted to try out, if I could add the missing decals after the yellow tinted varnish. And in fact, it's possible. I cannot remember, which decals exactly I added before or after the varnish:
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrlgl/img_1929.jpg)
The panel in front of the cockpit was the most difficult one to decal. Here I used three separate parts. The "tongue" between the machine guns was paint brushed, not airbrushed with varnish.
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrlgi/img_1930.jpg)
Thank you!
Borsos
As you can see: I definitely have to clean up my messy workbench...
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First off, Borsos, thanks for the tips and specificity re: the Uschi decals.
Secondly, truly outstanding work going on here.
Lastly, it has been my experience that a cleaned up work place is one in which there is generally little of significance happening. The quality of your craftsmanship speaks volumes about the fact that you are most assuredly not a slob.
I look forward to seeing this build continue.......it is a delight to watch unfold.
Best regards,
DP
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That looks fantastic, Borsos! I'll echo DP's thoughts... its a delight to watch it come together.
Chris
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Borsos,
You are producing an absolute masterpiece here, the woodgrain work is fantastic. A real joy to follow your progress, just magnificent work!
Cheers,
Lance
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Borsos,
I'm absolutely awe struck my friend with your woodgrain decal work. As Lance said a Masterpiece in the making.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Breathtaking work, Borsos! Your are really doing wonders here
and I am very, very impressed with your work.
Thanks a lot for sharing it, my friend.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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This is perhaps the Best work I have seen on a Roden Albatros! Your use of the Uschi Decals have me tempted to get some and try them out. Absolutely Stunning work!
RAGIII
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Hi Borsos,
many thanks for your positive feedback on the Drooling Bulldog paints! Your build is very precise and I am glad to see you made great use of all the attributes of the paints as to e- g. their transparency effect. As an artist I am especially happy about it as my initial intention was to create paints that would raise the simple model painting to an artistic level. I have to say you made it happen in an excellent way. Looking forward to seeing the build finished.
Last but not least, I would be happy if you could share your impression and remarks on the paints on my website: http://www.droolingbulldog.com/responses/ (http://www.droolingbulldog.com/responses/)
Best regards
Mertens
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Good evening Gentlemen,
Thank you very much! Mertens, yes, of course I'll post a reply on the Drooling Bulldog homepage!
Today just some minor updates from my side -- some maior work that is not very prominently to be seen respectively.
Firts I gave the fuselage a careful pin wash to bring out the panellines.
Since two evenings now I'm adding the nailing to the wooden fuselage. I use HGW nailing decals. For those who shouldn't know, how they work: You cut the desired length of 'nails' from the backing paper and water it as you do with usual decals. Then you can add your decal strips to the fuselage. After about 3 hours (as the instructions say) you can remove the quite prominent decal strips and the nails should remain on the fuselage. So far in theory. My problem is that I just have time for modelling in the evening hours. And after three hours decalling 'nails' I cannot wait another three hours to remove anything. Therefore I removed the decal strips after about one hour and it worked quite well anyway. Some 'nails' (which are in fact regular black dots) remained on the decal, but I replaced them with a very fine black marker pen from Gunze. The left side is almoust done now, just some rows are missing:
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrlrr/img_1956.jpg)
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrlgw/img_1955.jpg)
I like the pretty subtle effect of the nails, which is far superior to reproduced nails by small holes in my opinion, but it's quite a time consuming and annoying work.
Besides of that I prepared all inspection hatches and other exterior detail from the Part PE fret and glued it on a strip of cardboard with double sided tape. I added the numbers from the instructions and covered it with masking tape. Then I gave em a shot of Mr Surfacer 1000.
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrlrl/img_1957.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalrlri/img_1960.jpg)
'Nailing' will take some more evenings... Then there should be something less annoying again, I hope.
Thank you!
Borsos
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Tedious work, I'm sure, but well worth the effort. They look terrific!
Chris
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but I replaced them with a very fine black marker pen from Gunze.
QWouldn't it be much easier then to produce all nails with that pen, instead of struggling through the decal appliance process?
S.
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Borsos beautiful work indeed.
Looking at the PfoP etch you have primed makes m want to let you know, the covers for the airleron cable access on the outer lower wing should be domed and not flat circles in them. these may be eaier to scratch from beer/pop can.
Keith
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Beautiful work on the nails, Borsos. A time-consuming exercise to be sure,
but really worth the effort! Looking forward to the next updates, my friend.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Borsos beautiful work indeed.
Looking at the PfoP etch you have primed makes m want to let you know, the covers for the airleron cable access on the outer lower wing should be domed and not flat circles in them. these may be eaier to scratch from beer/pop can.
Keith
May I just say that this is an example of a gentlemanly and professional (IE mature) way to help out a colleague. As my return to this wonderful hobby of ours is recent, I have been perusing some of the other websites and Facebook groups to familiarize myself with what is now available. I have been, frankly, amazed, and sadly so, at the lack of maturity and bonhomie displayed. And in one case, ego...a chap posted numerous photos of a recent build with blatantly crooked wings. Were he a beginner, and seeking guidance, it might have been understandable and his gaff pointed out to him in a helpful manner. The text accompanying the photos, however, made it clear this fellow wasn't the sort to hear criticism no matter how well intended. It's all very disheartening, frankly.
So huzzah to this group...I feel "safe" here.
Sorry...didn't mean to take a tangent but the above example of one colleague helping out another was too good not to reference.
Best regards,
DP
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The Wood....the nails....the different Wood colours.....beautiful! I could look at it the whole time.Great.
Manni
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I will say this again.. Perhaps, OK surely, the BEST Roden Albatros I have seen! Your painting, decaling, weathering, and of course the nails are awesome!
RAGIII
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The nails look fantastic, Borsos, and add a level of realism that wouldn't be possible without them. It's just a shame that it's such tedious work. I bought a set for my WNW D.Va, but now I'm not looking forward to trying them. Scary process.
Cheers,
Bud
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The nails look fantastic, Borsos, and add a level of realism that wouldn't be possible without them. It's just a shame that it's such tedious work. I bought a set for my WNW D.Va, but now I'm not looking forward to trying them. Scary process.
Cheers,
Bud
And Amigo # 3 chimes in with a Ditto !
Ed
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Hi Borsos,
i haven't been here for while but first thing I saw was your D.I and it looks spectacular!!!! Wood is spot on!!!
Cheerio
Lukas
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your work on this plane is absolutly fabulous
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Looks terrific.
Beautiful job
Dric
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Good evening gentlemen,
I actually appreciate your kind words, many thanks for them! Finally I have made some progress worth to show, but at first the answers to some questions or comments respectively:
but I replaced them with a very fine black marker pen from Gunze.
QWouldn't it be much easier then to produce all nails with that pen, instead of struggling through the decal appliance process?
S.
I don't think so. Some single dots are fastly made, especially if you have the decals as a guide. But goinf with the pen alone would mean to make straight lines (masking tape...? But masking a decalled fuselage - no, not if I can avoid that!) and always keep the correct distance between the single nails. I am quite sure that this would take even longer that using those decal strips.
It's just a shame that it's such tedious work. I bought a set for my WNW D.Va, but now I'm not looking forward to trying them. Scary process.
Cheers,
Bud
It is not that bad to use them, Bud, I didn't want to ruin your anticipation of using that product, sorry! It's just the point that it takes so much time, for instance because you always have to wait until the glue has dried if the lines cross each other. It took me almost a week to finish the nailing... Yesterday I had forgotten to remove the carrier film from two or three lines, but it went off without problems even if it had set 24h and not 3h...
May I just say that this is an example of a gentlemanly and professional (IE mature) way to help out a colleague. As my return to this wonderful hobby of ours is recent, I have been perusing some of the other websites and Facebook groups to familiarize myself with what is now available. I have been, frankly, amazed, and sadly so, at the lack of maturity and bonhomie displayed. And in one case, ego...a chap posted numerous photos of a recent build with blatantly crooked wings. Were he a beginner, and seeking guidance, it might have been understandable and his gaff pointed out to him in a helpful manner. The text accompanying the photos, however, made it clear this fellow wasn't the sort to hear criticism no matter how well intended. It's all very disheartening, frankly.
So huzzah to this group...I feel "safe" here
I don't know what else to add here than: yes, me too. I feel save as well here :) . I always enjoyed this forum as a place for great communication, exchange of ideas and learning. And I never was disappointed. For me it is crucial to try out new things in this hobby and to learn about history, technology and modelling. I fear, if the day would come when I couldn't learn anything new I would have to quit this hobby (for luck I know that I always will have to learn new things...)
Looking at the PfoP etch you have primed makes m want to let you know, the covers for the airleron cable access on the outer lower wing should be domed and not flat circles in them. these may be eaier to scratch from beer/pop can.
Thank you very much Keith, I didn't know that. I checked my references again and couldn't find any photo of this very dome, so I simply replicated these according to your hint :) As the wing gets thinner and thinner in that area I could imagine those domes cover up some return pulleys for the rudder.
Ok now I have to express how envious I was since I saw this greatly looking jig in Stephans and James' posts. I had used some masking tape rolls until then to house my unfinished aircrafts... This morning I received my copy and it works fine...
Nails are done as are the fuselage markings. I decided to go with D. 457/16 of Jasta 6 at Uginy in the fall of 1916. When it comes to new established Jastas with new twin armed fighter biplanes one reads often almost exclusively about Jasta 2. But there were other Jastas which faced the problem of nearly total Allied air domination, as Jasta 6. There are two pics of that plane in the WDF 100 (and I had build that plane already out of the Roden 1/72 scale kit some years ago. It was destroyed in a move and I deeply regretted that.)
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrldr/img_1984.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalrlda/img_1987.jpg)
The fuselage crosses are kit decals. After I had given the whole decal sheet a good shot of future, they were better to use - better, not good. These Roden decals are actually a crap. But I stole the two Albatros logos for the rudder from the Albatros D III OAW kit and they went on as flawlessly as the serials that I took from Roden's Pfalz D III kit (I am an optimist and therefore when I plunder another kit for decals I am always quite sure that when I would build that very kit I'd have other, fantastic decal sets anyway...)
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrldi/img_1990.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalrldw/img_1998.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalrlar/img_1999.jpg)
What else is to say? The PE parts for the fuselage went on without any problems. The drainage holes are made out of brass rod. Some shading and some future to seal the decalled fuselage. So far today, things get shape....
Thank you!
Borsos
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Borsos,
With the wood completed and now the nails this is just spectacular, what a fine piece of modelling you've done so far. That, combined with the colours and shading make it even more real looking, I really like this one. Wonderful work and great results, keep it up!
Cheers,
Lance
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Borsos,
With the wood completed and now the nails this is just spectacular, what a fine piece of modelling you've done so far. That, combined with the colours and shading make it even more real looking, I really like this one. Wonderful work and great results, keep it up!
Cheers,
Lance
I echo these comments exactly.
Des.
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Hi Borsos I loocked this post since the beginning antd your work is really wonderful.
it's surely by the moment the best Albatros I never see. for the wood result.
When it awll be my turn to di ambatrosses, I will surely loock at this post.
I hope nail representation will be possible at 1/48 scale...
congratulation really and keep going on!
Xan
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So beautiful, Borsos! I am closely following your build-log and can't wait to see the next step!
Richard
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Beautiful work on the fuselage - looking great!
Cheers,
Gary
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That reddish spot on the fuselage's bottom is what? A decaling glitch? Lamp reflection?
Enquiring minds need to know!
S.
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That reddish spot on the fuselage's bottom is what? A decaling glitch? Lamp reflection?
Enquiring minds need to know!
S.
Pilot broke a bottle of wine and it soaked through the wood.
Cheers,
Bud
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I continue to be awed by your beautiful Alby, Borsos! Even the Roden
decals look excellent...you deserve high praise for making those bad
boys behave! I am really looking forward to the next photos in this
beautiful build, my friend.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Absolutely gorgeous work! I can't say enough about how impressive your Albatros is!
RAGIII
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Well Borsos - it would seem that yet again I am late for yet another parade - the phrase "Take that man's name sergeant major" springs quickly to mind ::).
I only 'discovered' this thread last night and have now read right through all the posts. I can only reiterate what every one else has said and say that you are producing a remarkable model in all areas - detail, decalling and painting et al. The overall effect is just superb - stunning work all round. Personally I have always preferred the squat squarish lines of the D I to the Vs and your work has highlighted that opinion. It will be one lovely model once finished for certain :)
It's a shame there simply is not time to read everyone's contribution to this forum - it leads to missing some like this - but better late than never I guesss. Thanks indeed Borsos for creating a most enlightening and very inspirational thread :)
Kind Regards - Tug
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Hello Folks and thank you very much for following and your kind comments!
These days are busy familydays , so just a very little update: I finished the markings of this bird by adding the small bullet-covering patches that were printed as Allied roundels. As far as I have read somewhere they were printed on paper, cut out and glued on the repaired place on a wooden fuselage or a canvas covered plane (The Allied used to take German Crosses).
Because there's only a photo of the left side of this plane I was free to decal the other side... I printed small British roundels on White decal film and cut them out using scissors – not entirely different from what they did in 1916:
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrldw/img_1998.jpg)
Thank you
Borsos
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The bullet hole repairs are excellent, well done.
Des.
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Gorgeous!
Cheers,
Bud
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I love the bullet hole covers, Borsos. I have never seen that done before... neat! This is quite a lovely build.
Chris
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Des, Bud and Chris, thank you very much!
This evening I added all the maior parts that fit due to the test fitting and trimming before the painting pretty well.
Besides of the rigging some details are still missing, e. g. the windscreen, tail skid and, of course, the prop...
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrlaa/img_2017.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalrlal/img_2021.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalrlai/img_2022.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalrlor/img_2023.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalrloa/img_2027.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalrlol/img_2028.jpg)
Although there's still a way to go and the bird needs a pilot and a base, I think it's time for some first concluding thoughts. The Roden kit has its challenges, but it's absolutely possible to build it and I was very happy with it as a first 32 kit. I remember well that all my kids are connected with a certain model in my display cases. When my daughter was born, I had finished my first eduard Triplane in 1/48. When my first son was born I had built Hasegawas A6M2b in 1/48. And now, for Emil, I am finishing this Albatros D I. This makes me happy and I will always have a special eye on these three models.
But besides of that quite personal thing I can say that I actually enjoyed this scale and the quality of the Roden offering. I can't see the need for Wingnut Wing to release an early Albatros fighter, I wished they would go for a plane that does not exist as a kit at all. The worst thing with this kit were the decals but as I mentioned earlier, Roden seems to have made improvements with their other kits. I won't compare this kit to a WNW kit because I never built one yet. But I am quite sure that everybody with a little modelling experience is able to build a pleasant model out of this Roden kit.
Alright, I can see the home stretch there somewhere.
Thank you for your attention!
Borsos
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Borsos,
I agree with your assessment of the Roden Kits. Like you I made the transition to 1:32 Scale with a Roden Albatros , mine was their D.III. I really enjoyed the Build with the exception of those horrible decals we've all experienced and I'd like to see more Roden releases in this scale. I have completed four of their 1:32 models and they are all very nice kits although, as I discovered early, Wingnut Wings are a lot more "refined". I hope you Build a Wingnut Kit next, you owe yourself the pleasure and I'd enjoy following your progress through that experience.
In the meantime this Albatros of yours is an absolute winner, I'm looking forward to seeing her rigged and completed!
Cheers,
Lance
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Borsos,
I agree with your assessment of the Roden Kits. Like you I made the transition to 1:32 Scale with a Roden Albatros , mine was their D.III. I really enjoyed the Build with the exception of those horrible decals we've all experienced and I'd like to see more Roden releases in this scale. I have completed four of their 1:32 models and they are all very nice kits although, as I discovered early, Wingnut Wings are a lot more "refined". I hope you Build a Wingnut Kit next, you owe yourself the pleasure and I'd enjoy following your progress through that experience.
In the meantime this Albatros of yours is an absolute winner, I'm looking forward to seeing her rigged and completed!
Cheers,
Lance
I agree with Lance. I Thoroughly enjoyed all of my Roden builds although the Albatros DIII was my second Roden build. Your DI is continuing to be Stunning!
RAGIII
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I have been following this build very closely since the very beginning, but I did not comment as there was simply nothing to add - brilliant work all around!
Great job, Borsos, looking forward to seeing her finished.
Cheers
Ondra
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I can't see the need for Wingnut Wing to release an early Albatros fighter, I wished they would go for a plane that does not exist as a kit at all.
Agreed. Absolutely. If only Roden wouldn't shrink away from WNW's comeptition so much.
Btw, are you habe withh the jig?
S.
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Stunning - I'm tempted to have a go with one of my Roden kits, although yours is a real benchmark. Bravo
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Superb job of the Alby, Borsos! I am looking forward to seeing
the rigging done. You have convinced me to give one of those
wooden-clad birds a try. Great work, my friend.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Very nice work Borsos.
I will be interested to see how your wooden laminated prop works out.
That is a tricky challenge to carve to the fine tolerances required.
Best of luck!
Dave
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Work is just beautiful !!
Ed
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Hello,
thank you very much for your Kind comments!
I finished rigging (finally!) and can call her done now. Next Pictures including base and Pilot (and probabely some weathering here and there) will be in the "completed" section.
For the rigging I used 0,16mm fishing line. The Axial decals were stolen from my WNW Albatros D V, because they are way better than the Roden decals (I have to build a machine with another Propeller manufacturer now...)
Btw, are you habe withh the jig?
I love it, it was a great help rigging the plane. It would be even better, if the 90° of the two main holders would be fixed.
(https://picload.org/image/rwalrlca/img_2066.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalrlcl/img_2072.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalrlcw/img_2075.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalrllw/img_2061.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalrlcr/img_2062.jpg)(https://picload.org/image/rwalrlci/img_2073.jpg)
Thank you!
Borsos
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Congratulations on a truly spectacular Model Borsos! Superb work throughout, the shading and weathering are beautifully executed and the "woodwork" is truly in a class of it's own. Your work is inspirational and I am looking forward to seeing more of it.
Cheers,
Lance
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Absolutely stunning, Borsos! My all time favorite Albatros. Every aspect of this model is superb, from the start to finish. Congratulations on another masterpiece, my friend.
Cheers,
Bud
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Absolutely stunning, Borsos! My all time favorite Albatros. Every aspect of this model is superb, from the start to finish. Congratulations on another masterpiece, my friend.
Cheers,
Bud
I can't say it any better than my Amigo Bud! Impressive from start to finish for sure!
RAGIII
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Congratulations. I am looking forward very much to the completed photos, base, pilot, weathering and all.
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Absolutely superb Borsos - a stunning result and very evocative indeed. Just shows what can be done with a non WNW with some dedication - brilliant :)
Regards - Tug
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I am in awe, Borsos! A truly amazing example of modeler's talent.
I enjoyed the build from beginning. Thank you for the information
and helpful tips during the build. Well done, my friend!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Really great. Everything merges to a real wonderful looking plane.
Bye,
Manni
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Borsos,
Outstanding Albatros D.I my old friend. Awesome Master Class talent coupled with the highest skill and craftsmanship! Well Done and Congratulations.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouettte
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Thank you very much guys!
Here's the link to the 'Completed' Section:
http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=7427.0
Best wishes
Borsos
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this is the best 1/32 roden albatros d.i i can recall seeing. everything looks great from wood with nails to the fabric covered wings with 3 color camo.i am very impressed.
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a fabulous job
great
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Gorgeous! This was a pleasure to watch come to life. Really beautiful.
Chris
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Borso, what a masterful job you're doing on the Dl! You have shown us that great models aren't all Wing Nuts.
Pietro
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Truely amazing work, your Albatros will be a very hard act to follow.
Tom
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Outstanding in every way. Just shows what a skilled and patient modeller can do with a kit - the artwork is well up to your usual standard: that is a model to be proud of.
Stephen.
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Borsos,
That is an amazing build. The wood finish is beautiful.
Paul
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Absolutely stunning, Borsos! My all time favorite Albatros. Every aspect of this model is superb, from the start to finish. Congratulations on another masterpiece, my friend.
Cheers,
Bud
I can't say it any better than my Amigo Bud! Impressive from start to finish for sure!
RAGIII
And the 3rd Amigo chimes in with congrats on the Build !!!!
Ed
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Thank you guys! :)
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DAMN, I spent 3 and 1/2 hours now to redo the pics of this topic after it got smashed by F***bucket. I am far from finished now, but I'll do my very best to repost as many pics as I can find and /or place onto its proper place in this topic (In total I found about 100 just for this Albatros here). I am sorry that I can't do it faster, but the rare free time I have I prefer spending with modelling...
Borsos
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thank you borsos i for 1 appreciate it. i like to see your excellent work
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I am glad you chose to restore this one as it will be invaluable as an inspiration for my DIII OAW build!
RAGIII
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Well, I did my best to replace all the photos. Thank you very much for your interest.
I'd like to give a final "good bye" to the Ladies and Gentlemen from Photobucket who cost me and so many others so much time to react on their repelling policy. It's a Bavarian curse and it comes deep from the heart: "Der Blitz soll euch beim Scheissen treffen!"
Borsos
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"Der Blitz soll euch beim Scheissen treffen!"[/color]
That’s a pretty neat curse, I’m saving that away, but I do have to say, it would be good to see some lightning hit photobucket...
Ray
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Wonderful model, good that you managed to recover the photographs. Blaming conduct of photobucket.
Ciao
Giuseppe