Great story, mac...true to form, sounds like...you're right, his book is an excellent read also...only read it twice though... so far. The coolest passages in both of those guys books was when they described the times that they'd be on a job and get separated from their flight and being solo, just go wonderfully, joyfully crazy with the sensation of just flying, cloud jousting and the like and then on the way home buzzing brass in their open cars. -M