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Offline Greg Law

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Metal cauling on Fokker E.II/III
« on: October 03, 2012, 08:22:24 AM »
Can some one give me a hint on how to do the Metal cauling on Fokker E.II/III finish as shown in the images on the Wingnut site? It appears to have a mottled finish.

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Re: Metal cauling on Fokker E.II/III
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2012, 09:13:37 AM »
What scale are you going to be working in Greg?  I have seen something similar to the tutorial done before, but in 1/72nd using a lead pencil. Good results IMHO.

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Re: Metal cauling on Fokker E.II/III
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2012, 12:39:02 PM »
Thanks guys. I missed that tut. Must be going blind. Hand painting squiggles will be real easy for me. I just got to paint a straight line and I will get good squiggles.  ;)
The scale is 1/32.

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Re: Metal cauling on Fokker E.II/III
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2012, 12:55:58 PM »
The swirls I used on my Taube build are a different style of swirl to what is on the Eindeckers, but the process is the same. I first sprayed the metal cowlings with Humbrol Metal Cote Polished aluminium 27002, I then painted each individual swirl using a very fine tipped brush and Mr Metal Color Chrome/Silver, I still need to spray the entire section with a clear cote.

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Re: Metal cauling on Fokker E.II/III
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2012, 04:53:47 PM »
I'm looking forward to see the reference pics when the EIII kit proper is released.  These days, a machined surface on metal looks like overlapping circles from the machine tooling - I wonder if this was the case in 1915 too?

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Re: Metal cauling on Fokker E.II/III
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2012, 09:00:59 PM »
I like the swirls to be honest - the machined surfaces seem too regular in pattern IMHO.  I can see some experimentation coming on!

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Re: Metal cauling on Fokker E.II/III
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2012, 10:19:21 PM »
this thread is quite interesting... (to say nothing that I'm waiting for a certain purcel from downunder to arrive... ;))
This is a pattern that it is often seen on Eindeckers... acually I like this best... does anyone have a clue on how to obtain it?



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Re: Metal cauling on Fokker E.II/III
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2012, 10:45:26 PM »
Thanks Edo for the brilliant photo, how to replicate that pattern in 1:32 scale would be extremely difficult, it is such a small pattern. When I get my Eindecker I will have to do a bit of experimenting.

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Re: Metal cauling on Fokker E.II/III
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2012, 11:57:48 PM »
Messieurs !

The given pattern by WNW is definitively correct as I checked with Fokker E photos.
Using polishable metal paint (Gunze, Humbrol) one even may blend the two paints or by polishing non-polishable paint
via polishing cloth or Q-tip .
The other pattern shown and more often seen today is really awe-inspiring! Triple-Supa!!- for whom achieving this one!

 bizz bald, Gunther
« Last Edit: October 04, 2012, 12:00:54 AM by GHE »
LZeppelin rocks!

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Re: Metal cauling on Fokker E.II/III
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2012, 12:45:27 AM »
Edo's pic shows what I was trying to say - I have no idea how to paint that finish!

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Re: Metal cauling on Fokker E.II/III
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2012, 01:26:11 AM »
My feeling is that the cowling in Edo's example photo is a bit overdone, in the same way that some Bugatti restorations tend to overdo the engine turning finish on their alloy bits. I think the actual pattern was a bit more random... and actually probably done with the equivalent of an angle grinder or what we call in the shop a "grass cookie" (flexible sanding pad on a rotary grinder) rather than engine turned...

« Last Edit: October 04, 2012, 02:27:56 AM by UncleTony »

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Re: Metal cauling on Fokker E.II/III
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2012, 02:15:20 AM »
Actually there are much better photos in the archive section of the WNW site (Duelist kit set) that show that the metal panels were definitely not decorated with engine turning but rather swirled with a hand held grinder. Anybody that has worked on autobody sheetmetal will recognize the effect immediately.

« Last Edit: October 04, 2012, 02:27:24 AM by UncleTony »

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Re: Metal cauling on Fokker E.II/III
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2012, 02:26:01 AM »
More on engine turning here, if you are interested:

http://www.cs.ucr.edu/~eamonn/et/et.htm

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Re: Metal cauling on Fokker E.II/III
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2012, 09:21:19 AM »
A number of years ago a great friend Ron Lowry used a piece of lace material as a mask for a 1/24 Bellanca Aircruiser. It worked very well.

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Re: Metal cauling on Fokker E.II/III
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2012, 03:03:39 PM »
Uncle Tony,
Thank you very much for the info, very interestng stuff.
Ciao
Edo