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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: Bughunter on June 22, 2020, 05:59:56 AM
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Junkers D.I
Last year I received a parcel from our Admin Dave with a Roden Junkers D.I in 1/48 as prize of the Memorial group build. Thanks, Dave!
(https://i.postimg.cc/TP1b4dvT/box-top.jpg)
Such a fact has consequences ...
So I ordered the Parts PE set too:
(https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/0/3/5/945035-13441-63-pristine.jpg)
And also a resin correction set from Karaya:
(https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/9/1/7/1149917-15655-32-1080.jpg)
I want to test my Drooling Bulldog paints on a German aircraft urgently and wanted to solder something, so I started the next parallel running project.
Regarding the references I will use the:
- Roden kit manual
- Parts PE manual
- the WNW manual for the big brother
- Windsock Datafile 33
(https://www.scalemates.com/books/img/6/8/0/103680-10000-24-pristine.jpg)
- Windsock Datafile 131
(https://www.scalemates.com/books/img/0/3/5/104035-10000-24-pristine.jpg)
- and finally the Karaya book
(https://www.scalemates.com/books/img/8/5/9/105859-10000-80-pristine.jpg)
I hope you will enjoy this journey!
Cheers,
Frank
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This should be cool!
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Welcome to the show Gaz!
Frame
The PE set contains two PE frets:
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=11_gImDYCBucCrbQU57XibgsaTzpYD1eH)
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1LiM5QSO3S3C9TL8W90sBtpv_JE-858eY)
I start here with the new internal frame.
Each formers consists of 3 etched parts. I soldered them together.
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1339yrW7DcMRPa9tlbzXIFr_pcN_6BA_A)
This allows a very interesting construction with space between the outer parts, as seen on original aircraft.
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=13qezsTmEV_ZPr_WOAwbIiDXPeQKzRBZ2)
Here some of the prepared formers, from one side ...
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1UkcaxaRsvRhYI9LCT-UcVXwLUabxOwK0)
... and from the other. I like the corrugated metal!
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=18x8621SsSFEKy0qOTfnFEQmOX1-_lhGk)
Or should I use the kit parts? ;D
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1OPFsFFaOchp7-x3ZbdFp-N0EnHBzhaLh)
The next step was the connection to the side frames. Some stabilizing is needed, especially the side frames are very fragile.
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1-rHOtqmmdhYMK1CcFh9VoiYi6wH_tIvJ)
The result with some more parts.
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1fUmbIKVUEZmwNXebIo5-2uSy1pmweYq7)
The construction is fantastic, for example fits the floor frame into recesses (soldered from below).
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1ct6vI2kcCtexlmQCIIcMC01zSKNK8Q14)
Sometimes the manual sheet is not very clear so good references helps. Here was not clear, which side is the front. This picture of a crashed aircraft helps, so the firewall seems to be plain.
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1GyIhSMUSFQgi0QbJQoiPG2jfdrMI1gOF)
The nice profile of the side frames seems to be correct too.
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1wQixoqbL-N7lTYRBYNF3P92p0VVZU3gV)
Then I washed the frame with alcohol and tinned it.
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1z0GirPAb7Rr60erEQJpbhLBaLNwfsC5O)
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1IWdnyuwF0kcdfCG-HqwCW41vUnJ1t90w)
Now a important question!
Roden offers two kits, with a long and short fuselage. This kit is the long one.
Parts says only "for Junkers D.I Roden kit". But the fit seems to be strange? May be the PE set is for the short one?
Does anybody own both and could compare?
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1yjwSIhbGrl6hJvy-jtE1VM2GLwhtPiVq)
Before I remove the internal structure I want to be sure, that it fits! Otherwise I have to search for the short one.
Thanks for your help!
Cheers,
Frank
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That framing looks excellent! But also egg fragile.
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Frank, I can't keep up with all your builds! This is going to be brilliant, very neat soldering on what must be small photoetch parts. That framework is beautiful!
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Frank.
Another great build is on the way.
(https://i.imgur.com/YSlXled.jpg)
The long fuselage.
(https://i.imgur.com/HklxHXj.jpg)
The short fuselage.
They both measure 37mm from the start to the end of the framework, though the two differ slightly in appearance.
I hope this helps.
Happy modeling,
Kevin
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Following with interest Frank :)
Terri
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I'm also following this with considerable interest Frank. I made this kit and enjoyed it but my work was very OOB so I'm interested to see where you take this. Roden kits can provide a remarkable degree of enjoyment if you don't mind exercising some modelling skills.
Kind regards
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Wouldn't be the first time a PE part didn't fit.
Looks like you're all set with reference material - a most important piece of the build.
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Frank,
As always I'm impressed beyond words with your micro soldering skills, that PE frame assembly defies all odds. It appears that you have a firm path ahead on this one with Kevin's information, this is destined to be another one of your "Super Builds"!
I'll enjoy following your continued progress.
Cheers,
Lance
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You are a Master at assembling PE Frank! What really amazes Me is that you also solder them so Cleanly in the small scales! Incredible start!
RAGIII
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A new great expectations build to follow. Thumbs up.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Wow, what a feedback! You are very welcome!
That framing looks excellent! But also egg fragile.
The formers made from 3 PE frames are very rigid, only the side frames are thin and fragile.
Frank, I can't keep up with all your builds!
Me too Richie, me too! But as long a model gets finished from time to time it is ok 8)
@Terri Glad you're here!
Roden kits can provide a remarkable degree of enjoyment if you don't mind exercising some modelling skills.
Very nice Dave, that you as kit sender found this thread :)
I have to admit, that this is my first Roden kit, but I have more in stash already.
As always I'm impressed beyond words with your micro soldering skills, that PE frame assembly defies all odds.
What really amazes Me is that you also solder them so Cleanly in the small scales!
Thank you Lance and Rick!
The "trick" is also to solder from a side, which is not visible later. I forgot yesterday pics of that, here from below ...
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1tFyqd5NCTRVIGgpcBYszlDWizowVP2io)
and from back:
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1PbzogzRQT-96jcLHxv3JkwjCUhOnNPAG)
Wouldn't be the first time a PE part didn't fit.
Looks like you're all set with reference material - a most important piece of the build.
Yes Ken, the problem is, that there are not much information or pictures from inside.
A new great expectations build to follow. Thumbs up.
Thx, Giuseppe! I will try to do the best what I can :)
And finally another proof of the helpful people in this fantastic forum: Kevin answered with pictures within hours!
I hope this helps.
A big thank you Kevin, now I'm sure, that the PE set is meant for both kits.
I think it can fit if you align it in front. How far the frame extends into the rear of the fuselage is not important.
Today I removed the moulded framing and created corrugated sheet metal with aluminum foil and a toothpick on the underside of the wings. I tried to glue it with white glue, to have some filling in the back. I'm not sure, if it works as expected.
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1h6bO69pBp_jUSXZlTqMTjrTzoNfIUU3X)
But I like the look, and there is enough space for it, at least I think so.
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1TxAgq4bJRdqw9LLl28lL1Ia7rzRHikWA)
And one of the next task is to create a AXIAL airscrew, a task which I really like! There is already a block of seven veneer layers:
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1uhTVoUWCuQPAK_SkqW7JepIqB8Kt48kz)
Thanks a lot my friends, you made my day!
Cheers,
Frank
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The corrugations look great to me. I am looking forward to your prop as I know it will be Beautiful!
RAGIII
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Those inner corrugations look awesome. Microscale makes a glue for aluminum foil. However, it has to be burnished down to stick. I do oleos and aircraft skins with it... when I'm in the mood.
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The effect is convincing Frank :)
Terri
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Corrugated foil is looking as the real thing!
Ciao
Giuseppe
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More clever stuff Frank, it really looks the part!
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Though I do not like the subject, so un-WW1-ish, I like very much your work. Surely - another great model in the making.
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Hi Frank,
another model, I'm jealous of you, unfortunately, I don't have enough time to build models. Because of your progress in this area, I can think of one word - Bughunter Werke. I will follow, like other threads from the models you build. Did you saw the construction of a 1/72 scale model by Ewgenij Knupfler (SmallStuff Models) on Flicker webpages?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/smallstuffmodels/albums/72157635905573946 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/smallstuffmodels/albums/72157635905573946)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/smallstuffmodels/albums/72157635905573906 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/smallstuffmodels/albums/72157635905573906)
Regards
Paul
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Fran,
I'm glad the comparison photos were of help to this build. Your progress photos will
help the rest of us if we take on this kit. The corrugation for the interior will be the
the "Icing on the cake" for the cockpit.
Happy Modeling,
Kevin
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The foil is a very nice detail for the interior, Frank. 8)
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Thank you all for your supportive comments!
Microscale makes a glue for aluminum foil. However, it has to be burnished down to stick.
I have this glue, but I used normal kitchen foil. And so this one corrugations cannot take the lightest force.
Though I do not like the subject, so un-WW1-ish, I like very much your work.
I know, what you mean! On one hand it was the most modern aircraft, much more robust against weather as the linen and wood ones, on the other hand it was ugly. But I'm glad that the kit exists, so we're building a piece of history again.
Did you saw the construction of a 1/72 scale model by Ewgenij Knupfler (SmallStuff Models) on Flicker webpages?
Oh Paul, thank you for the links! I was not aware of this build. Very very impressive build quality, full in line with his lovely rotaries.
This pictures made me to step back, look at it carefully and will see, what I can do. Most important seems to be not to rush. I really liek his engine, interior and painting!
Again, thank you all!
Cheers,
Frank
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Another of your gems on the way Frank - it seems that you are never happy with two, you need to have at least three on the go at once! The micro-soldering is truly exceptional and makes my crude attempts look amateurish. Those parts are very small indeed yet the joints are invisible - brilliant.
Stephen.
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Amazing work! I'm also impressed by your soldering and I really like the corrugated insides very much!
/F
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Wooden footbridge
The fuselage is plated as needed. I tried also CA, but this don't work. So back to first idea wood glue. It only needs a while to dry, because the moisture can only diffuse out of the sides.
The joints are not visible later.
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=19o5nm6i5yAt0pxW-AbnY_pF_zRpZyhSn)
The next thing was a bit tricky and time consuming ...
The Junkers has wooden footbridge made from wooden stripes in the corrugations.
How to do it on the model? Wood looks like wood ;)
So I sanded down a piece of veneer down to 0,3mm, cut into small stripes and glued seven (according to the Datafile) vertically into the corrugations. Then I sanded it down and varnished it.
Left done, right in raw state.
The plan is to sand the airbrushed paint away later.
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=14FSq4MNZqkLeq3CzyIbQG8smZY6_IpUE)
Crazy work, but I like the look!
Cheers,
Frank
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Your attention to detail always Amazes Me Frank!
RAGIII
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Great idea pulled off beautifully Frank.
Back in the day I built the ICM I'lya Muromets and remember sanding off all rib detail only to replace it with external battens made of fine copper wire. I have another one in the stash and this method of using thin strips of veneer would look so much better and likely be easier than trying to straighten all the wire.
Those corrugated surfaces on the D.I present no end of challenges. You sure knocked this on in the head. Great modeling.
sp
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Great ideas as ever Frank, the wood definitely does look like wood. ;)
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Really nice attention to the details Frank :)
Terri
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Frank,
Excellent footbridge... I would never have guessed to make it from wood.
Gaz