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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Scratch builds => Topic started by: Des on May 08, 2015, 07:59:34 PM
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I purchased a book on the aircraft which has some pretty good scale plans plus lots of period black and white photos. The aeroplane was originally designed as a side by side two seat trainer but proved to be quite a capable plane, so it was relegated to an escort/fighter roll. Being a two seater then changed to a single seater means that there is plenty of room in the cockpit.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-FUkWKMs5zko/VUbtQA3eluI/AAAAAAAAQ6I/unPSw1b62Vs/s800/sikorsky%2520x%25209.jpg)
I will be using the 7 cylinder rotary for this build, I already had one prepared earlier so that saved me a bit of work, this was the biggest downfall for this aeroplane, it was underpowered. It was supposed to have the 9 cylinder 100hp rotary but supply was an issue.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-IOYlQhEUZvE/VUbtIYDlfwI/AAAAAAAAQ48/3pVqizBqx2o/s800/sikorsky%2520x%252012.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-viL6-Nv7eZM/VUbtJj4tPFI/AAAAAAAAQ5I/ZH6wE5yq8Gs/s800/sikorsky%2520x%252013.jpg)
This plane was fitted with an undercarriage which had 4 spoked wheels, I wanted to show the spokes exposed so I purchased 4 wheels from John Vojtech at Scale Spokes, they are Spad wheels but are the exact right size for my build. John supplies a good variety of different tyres for his wheels including weighted resin tyres.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-xApWxDu9VUk/VUbtHvhN2MI/AAAAAAAAQ4w/AxufB42Gn7c/s800/sikorsky%2520x%252010.jpg)
I will be using the high back wicker seat which I purchased from Barracuda Studios. This is a brilliant seat and again is the exact correct size when compared to the plan. I have painted this seat with Gunze Middlestone.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Sd0p1WCF2TY/VTnOzij4AsI/AAAAAAAAQxQ/xoclKpzjSrA/s800/seat%2520review%2520x%252017.jpg)
I have started making the fuselage from by using 1.5mm x 1.0mm styrene strips for the longerons and 1.0mm x 1.0mm for the frames. I will not be going to a lot of detail with the frame as it will be covered, only the cockpit area will get special attention. As you can see in these photos, the cockpit area of the frame is quite wide.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Rkp2bix9ArM/VUbtM0DGKhI/AAAAAAAAQ5o/su6pBz8FrpQ/s800/sikorsky%2520x%252017.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-hJtuYm-YiYk/VUbtN1dV-_I/AAAAAAAAQ50/K71z8H50lX0/s800/sikorsky%2520x%252018.jpg)
The engine firewall is made from 0.5mm styrene sheet cut to shape and sanded. I have trial fitted the engine at this stage. I will be using a modified left over engine cowl for this build, it needed to be re-shaped and lengthened.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-mJr1q61nc74/VUbtPKxoxWI/AAAAAAAAQ6A/yApRdoI4HDw/s800/sikorsky%2520x%252020.jpg)
I have been working on making the components to fit into the cockpit. This photo shows the fuek tank, the woven frame that sits on the fuel tank, the steering column and wheel, rudder bar, instrument panel with just the one instrument, the throttle quadrant and the hand operated pressure pump, obviously, none of these items have been painted yet.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-uiFGRrCxK1A/VUyCkiZv1II/AAAAAAAAQ6g/m3HH12zfd-o/s800/sikorsky%2520x%252021.jpg)
And the final photo shows all the bits and pieces I have ready, I am awaiting the starting magneto and switch to arrive from Lukasz, these will be mounted in the cockpit as well.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4QyPjqF_U0c/VUyClBasNTI/AAAAAAAAQ6k/mu6FSWL0cjc/s800/sikorsky%2520x%252022.jpg)
Des.
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Ye gods Des, you're almost done!
I visited Sikorsky's HQ in the USA a few years ago, and I do recall seeing a model in their reception a WWI-era aircraft that I think was quite large - could have been the Sikorsky Ilya Muromets S-22?
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Hello Des!!!
It looks like a great start...as always!!! :) Another very interesting subject!
Lukas
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Thanks Ian and Lukas for your nice words.
Here are the main cockpit components sitting in position, I don't know what the idea of the woven frame was on top of the fuel tank but it is shown on my plans. I made the frame from 1.0mm brass wire and the woven fabric are narrow strips of coloured paper.
Des.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Z_r8asQoWkQ/VUyU7eu3L8I/AAAAAAAAQ7A/hnCfJNt9jD4/s800/sikorsky%2520x%252025.jpg)
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You are off to a excellent start so far Des :) Following with interest ;D
Terri
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Brilliant start, Des. ;D
Will watch your next scratch build, like all in the last year.
All your builds are fantastic.
Martin
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Very nice start, Des, and another great subject!
Ian
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Des,
The three view drawing in that book shows a S-16ser which had a longer wingspan than the S-16. So are you building a S-16 or S-16ser?
Incidentally, I have spare copies of that same book so if anyone is interested, please contact me.
Barry
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Brilliant start on another of your unusual types. As usual I will be following along in search of hints and tips…. of which there will be many.
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What a great job you going to do, i love it when people can make it just out air (and styrene) :)
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Hi Des!Nice work as usual! I believe the wooden frame extended a bit further aft(or maybe the pilots seat further to the front) and served as a provisional seat when flown as a two seater.I remember having seen a foto but haven't found it yet. cheers Matz
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You're off on another extraordinary adventure, Des! Outstanding work, so far. Looking forward to following along. I believe Matz is right about the seat frame. I have the 1/48 scale Omega kit and that is how it is depicted.
Cheers,
Bud
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Great job all around, Des, this really looks excellent.
Could you please share how you made the fuselage framework with such precision? This could be a way to the future for me. :)
Many thanks
Ondra
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Incredible, Des! You've made an amazing start on your model. The engine looks great and I love the little woven frame that the seat rests on.
George
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Sweeeet...!!!
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Beautiful start as always Des! Your interior work is already looking first class!
RAGIII
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My many thanks to the following people for their extremely kind comments;
Terri, Martin, Ian, Barry, Michael, LM, Verbeek, Matz, Bud, Ondra, George, UFAG and Rick.
To answer your question Ondra I taped the longerons to the plan using Tamiya tape, then I fitted each of the frame members using plastic glue. Once both sides were made I again taped each side standing upright to the plan and glued the bottom frame members, once dry I reversed the fuselage frame and did the same with the top. It is important to make sure that the glue is fully cured before removing the section from the plan.
Barry, The first of this type had wings with a slight back sweep, the following models had straight wings, I will be trying to build the one depicted in the plans.
Matz and Bud, I will attempt to move the pilot seat as far forward as possible which will allow more of the woven section exposed for a second person to sit. The woven frame I made is the same size as in the book so it did not protrude over the front of the fuel tank, not as far as I can see, a little more investigation is required before things are glued in place. I did come across one picture of the two seats side by side but for the life of me can't find it now, it pays to save things as soon as I find them.
Des.
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Wow! Des, you are off to a flying start. It is always a joy to follow
your wonderful scratch-builds and the Sikorsky will be no exception.
Your metal work are little works of art. Thanks, my friend for sharing
your talents with us!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Thanks Ernie for your very kind comments, they are always appreciated. I thought I would build something more conventional this time but still an aircraft that has not been kitted in 1:32 scale.
Des.
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Hello gentlemen,
Yes !! Des is back on pilot seat !! :)
I wondered that would be your next build past days.
I sign in for hours of seing pleasure. ;)
Best regards.
Alain.
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Fantastic start Des :)
Can't wait to see her come together..
Guy
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Thanks Alain and Guy for looking in and leaving very nice comments, they are much appreciated.
Des.
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A great start, Des
The choice of this subject is brilliant and I'm sure that your rendition will turn out superb, as ever...
ermeio
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Just joining the party... WOW!
But you already knew that, Des! ;)
vB
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the wicker frame behind the main seat was for a passenger/observer i think. i want to say off the top of my head some had a wide seat for side by side seating. but i may be thinking of something else ,gonna have to dig out my books. i had started a scratch build of one of these a while back in 1/32 myself des. although i did not get as far. i am sure this will be another of your masterpieces.i love the look of this plane with its spindly landing gear and simple clean lines.
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Many thanks Ermeio, Bob and Scott for your very nice comments, they are really appreciated.
Des.
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Chic beginning! I will be watching with great interest.
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Many thanks for the description, Des, very helpful! This could be well used for fuselages of aircraft like B.E.2 or S.E.5a, definitely I will give it a try. ;)
Cheers
Ondra
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I painted the wood using oils over Gunze acrylic, a day in my heat box dried it then I sprayed a coat of satin clear. As you can see, the fuel tank, woven seat frame, pilot seat, instrument panel with tacho, hand pump, throttle quadrant, steering column and rudder bar have all been fitted, I have also started doing the fuselage frame bracing with turnbuckles. I still need to add the control cables, starting magneto, selector switch and seat belts.
Des.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-OBTP85shd-Y/VVHf5iJFpnI/AAAAAAAAQ8g/SrbKzAzYmEM/s800/sikorsky%252520x%25252027.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-oMP3_UbBrnY/VVHf8bB2RkI/AAAAAAAAQ80/aDBVNuOE9sY/s800/sikorsky%252520x%25252029.jpg)
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The next stunning model, Des.
Martin
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what a wonderfull start Des, you are not just getting better and better, but also faster and faster!
Can you please show/explain about the heat box? I suppose it is very usefull piece of lab equipment, that can heat to relatively low temperatures and have some kind of hydroadsorbing medium like silica gel for example :)
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Des,
Yet another outstanding project in the making, I truly marvel at the quality and uniqueness of what comes off that magic work desk of yours! :o
Cheers,
Lance
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Des,
Yet another outstanding project in the making, I truly marvel at the quality and uniqueness of what comes off that magic work desk of yours! :o
Cheers,
Lance
Lance pretty much summed it up for me, too, Des! Truly remarkable work.
Cheers,
Bud
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Very nice, Des!
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This is coming on well Des. The speed at with you work also astounds me.
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exceptional des old buddy.
the des heat box
http://www.ww1aircraftmodels.com/page27.html
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Many thanks to all these people who have dropped in to have a look at my model and to leave nice comments; Martin, Bo, Sasho, Lance, Bud, George, LM, and Scott.
Sasho - Scott has kindly left a link to my website which gives a good description of the heat box I made, it is a very simple device but does a great job, I will repeat the link here; http://www.ww1aircraftmodels.com/page27.html
Des.
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As always your frame work, interior, and painting are superb!
RAGIII
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Looking good Des !
Terri
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Thanks very much Rick and Terri for looking in on my model and for leaving kind comments.
Des.
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Hi Des,
Looking very good, I think I have a photo that might help a little with the framework over the gas tank. it was canvas straps woven over a metal framework that served as the rear seat, whoever sat in the back sat on this with his legs around the pilots seat. Here is how the interior is laid out in the 1/48 scale resin kit by Master Model. (http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/davecww1/008%202.jpg)
Also for some photos of the S16 replica made by Sikorsky in Connecticut, on display at the New England Air Museum see here: http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Ira/S16/index.html
Dave C
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Thanks Dave for your kind comments and the link to the museum replica. This is where confusion arises, my book is telling me that the fuselage frame was constructed of four rectangular milled Ash or Oregon pine longerons connected to each other by ash struts. Internal cockpit photos of the replica are showing a metal tube frame. I will be following the book as it has archive photos showing that the fusalage frame was definitely timber. The museum photos will be very useful for adding extra details which are missing from the book. Thanks again Dave for the link and the image of the 1:48 scale model, all very helpful.
Des.
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I have added some more interior details and all the control cables plus pulleys. All I need to do now is add the starting magneto and switch and seat belts. Apparently the passenger sat behind the pilot facing forward with his legs straddling the pilot seat, would be a very uncomfortable place to sit.
Des.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-cg7a5c4x180/VVXQtHrY_kI/AAAAAAAAQ-Y/Risg7zhoHD0/s800/sikorsky%252520x%25252034.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-U0ReNjqD-L4/VVXQrEDOjzI/AAAAAAAAQ-Q/njwr5ZfqS8U/s800/sikorsky%252520x%25252033.jpg)
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This will be a perfect cockpit, Des.
Martin
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Des, your builds just keep getting better and better! This in one very nice scratch built cockpit, and you still have things to add! :D
George
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More wonderful modelling Des. Just wonderful….
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very nice des.
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Des, your builds just keep getting better and better! This in one very nice scratch built cockpit, and you still have things to add! :D
George
Yep, what he said, better with each one!
RAGIII
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True DEs, I noticed that as well. Looks like the replica did not follow the original for materials, and I am sure they used wood for the longerons in 1916. Yours looks fantastic, love how you got all of the pulleys on the control column. the only thing I'm not sure about is if there was a crossmember right behind the pilots seat, if there was one there it would make it hard for the guy in the back!
Dave
Thanks Dave for your kind comments and the link to the museum replica. This is where confusion arises, my book is telling me that the fuselage frame was constructed of four rectangular milled Ash or Oregon pine longerons connected to each other by ash struts. Internal cockpit photos of the replica are showing a metal tube frame. I will be following the book as it has archive photos showing that the fusalage frame was definitely timber. The museum photos will be very useful for adding extra details which are missing from the book. Thanks again Dave for the link and the image of the 1:48 scale model, all very helpful.
Des.
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Yes, it's very smart to follow period photos however unclear they may be vs. photos of modern replicas. So many liberties are taken with replicas with the thought of getting the general outward "flavor" of the original, with the internal structure and details using modern construction techniques. I have many Sopwith Pup pics showing the whole fuselage frame built from steel tubing! Uugh! I just ignore those.:o
George
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I would like to thank Martin, George, Stephen, Scott, Rick and Dave for all the wonderful comments, they are really appreciated.
Dave, I have moved to cross member further back to allow room for the passenger, this also will open up the cockpit for better viewing. I have some information where the fuselage covering came right up to the back of pilot seat so was purely a single seater, I had all intentions of doing my model as a single seater hence the cross member, but after seeing the woven frame and fuel tank it looks better left open.
George, like you, I much prefer to follow original plans and drawings instead of photos of replicas. As you have said, the replicas are built using modern material and techniques which makes the internal structure totally un-original, but the outside appearance looks like an original which I suppose is what the museums are trying to display. Some replica builders go to a lot of effort and build the entire aircraft as per the original (TVAL for example) but these people are extremely fortunate to have access to original plans and material specifications, but the end result is a superb replica.
Des.
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Wonderful updates, Des. Your work is of course, up to
your usual high standards that I can only dream of. Besides
the joy of watching your talents, this is a great teaching tool.
Looking forward to the next bits of magic. :D
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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As always, I'm late to the party; I need to remember to check in on the scratch build forums more frequently! Looks terrific so far, Des. Your craftsmanship is truly enviable.
Chris
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Ernie and Chris, thank you for dropping in and for leaving very nice comments, I appreciate it very much.
Des.
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Oh dear, Des. You are spoiling us again with your immaculate scratch build. What a start!!!
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Looks like a wingnuts kit Des..
Super job ;)
Guy
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Thanks for the kind comments Przemol and Guy, not even close to a Wingnuts kit Guy but I really appreciate the comparison, you really know how to inflate a guys ego :)
I used Aviattic WW1 RFC/RAF CDL sheet number ATT32094 on the inside of the fuselage fabric, I used 0.25mm styrene painted with Hobby Color H21 Off White then applied the decals. The top, sides and bottom have now all be fixed in place. I have also fitted the rudder post, this is made from 1.0mm styene rod. The engine has now been fitted and the engine cowl also fitted, I still need to do some touch up work before painting the nose section which will be aluminium.
Des.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qOIzUPwglGk/VVvy7tLDPXI/AAAAAAAAREM/YeFGsdBQAts/s800/sikorsky%252520x%25252047.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-K4SoY8r82DI/VVvy7lPba6I/AAAAAAAAREI/kQX7OygiLPI/s800/sikorsky%252520x%25252048.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-LgAIiBvF3TI/VVvy95kBVzI/AAAAAAAAREc/JqSUiBM5stk/s800/sikorsky%252520x%25252050.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5w9PSFfSB5k/VVsbSq_JfbI/AAAAAAAARDY/ofvPXldvog0/s800/sikorsky%252520x%25252043.jpg)
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Oh, man, Des! That is some truly awesome work! And you're clippin' right along on her. Remarkable.
Cheers,
Bud
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Beautifully buttoned up fuse, Des! I agree with Guy about the comparison to WNWs. Bo, Bertl, and others are improving on WNWs kits all the time. You're just skipping the step where you start with a kit! ;D
George
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My many thanks to Bud and George for dropping by and leaving very nice comments.
Des.
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Des,
it is wonderfull, don't know exactly what to say but I really like it!
Best regards,
Sasho
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Put me down for a nice comment.... Marvelous!
vB
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Des,
Brilliant, as always. It's amazing how quickly you build such beautiful models from nothing.
Tom
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Stunning work like all your other, Des.
Martin
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it is exceptional, Des
Next time you can consider leaving one side uncovered, to reveal the details inside the fuselage.
really great!
er me
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My gratitude to the following people who have taken the time to have a look at my model and to leave very nice comments.; Sasho, Bob, Tom, Martin, Ermeio.
Des.
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I splashed a bit of paint on the front end of the model. I sprayed Humbrol unpolished aluminium 27001, once it is totally dry I will give it a very light rub with a piece of 0000 grade steel wool. The two holes in the top are for the oil and fuel tank filler pipes.
Des.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-L7JnpHkMnnw/VV2mDHH4geI/AAAAAAAARFk/2yLgi5FD1Jg/s800/sikorsky%252520x%25252057.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-BIPs3y6UaS0/VV2mCzAb7sI/AAAAAAAARFg/ToA8lFlZ-oI/s800/sikorsky%252520x%25252055.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-f16DN4CQcjI/VV2mCkP05aI/AAAAAAAARFc/OKN5AKTJp2I/s800/sikorsky%252520x%25252056.jpg)
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Superb Des..
I struggle to believe this is a scratch build, and not from a tooled kit. I like the humbrol metalcote range - I often use an old t-shirt rag to buff it up, the soft sort that doesn't shed any lint.
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That is just amazingly nice! I also struggle to believe it's a scratch build.
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Very greatfuselage Des.
Martin
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Even if this was a kit it would be amazing, but as scratch build it is beyond my understanding how you achieve such quality. Excellent, Des.
How did you make the screws (hope that is the right word) on the engine panels? They look awesome!
Cheers
Ondra
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Can I add my positive comments to the above - absolutely brilliant.
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This is what I aspire to, Des. You are an amazing talent and your many
models show that. The nose area of the Sikorsky is, of course, another example of it!
The nice thing about this aeroplane is the cockpit opening is large enough to get a
pretty good view of the wonderful interior work.
Can't wait for the next update. :D
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Des, Missed an update but must say that I agree with everyone! Your work is always inspiring and This one is no exception. The latest update just emphasizes how beautiful your work is!
RAGIII
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Ian, First tee, Martin, Ondra, Michael, LM, Ernie and rick, thank you kindly for all the wonderful comments.
Ondra, to simulate the tiny screws I first marked out at 2mm intervals then drilled holes using a 0.4mm tungsten drill bit, I then glue short lengths of 0.25mm brass wire into each hole using super glue. Once the glue is dry I snip off the extra length by using a pair of finger nail clippers, these do not cut the wire flush with the surface but leaves just a fraction protruding, gives a very good effect.
Des.
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Hello Des!!!
Not that I just struggle to understand how you achieved this - I think we all used all relevant adjectives that english vocabulary offers ;) but even more I struggle to understand that quality combined with your building speed. Just beyond me ... jawdropping results!!! :)
Cheerio
Lukas
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Hello Des!!!
Not that I just struggle to understand how you achieved this - I think we all used all relevant adjectives that english vocabulary offers ;) but even more I struggle to understand that quality combined with your building speed. Just beyond me ... jawdropping results!!! :)
Cheerio
Lukas
Yes, that's what amazes me too. Des, you are very prolific, but you never sacrifice quality for speed!
George
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Hello Des!!!
Not that I just struggle to understand how you achieved this - I think we all used all relevant adjectives that english vocabulary offers ;) but even more I struggle to understand that quality combined with your building speed. Just beyond me ... jawdropping results!!! :)
Cheerio
Lukas
Yes, that's what amazes me too. Des, you are very prolific, but you never sacrifice quality for speed!
George
I think thats what I dont get :) Im exact opposite, to do something according to my imagination I need to take a lot of time to achieve that...
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Thank you Lukas and George for your very kind comments. I don't consider myself a fast builder, I just plod along at a nice steady pace.
Here is a small update. I spent most of today making the undercarriage, making the tiny hinged connectors took most of the time, the undercarriage is now fixed to the fuselage with the wheels the next project. You have probably noticed that I also added the fuel and oil tank fillers with caps.
Des.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-xXywBxchNz4/VWBVxn0O2FI/AAAAAAAARGk/pupTSzmBP0E/s800/sikorsky%252520x%25252058.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3cXK_S3VQpY/VWBVxwyY-NI/AAAAAAAARGs/pRmEe5w1kdw/s800/sikorsky%252520x%25252059.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Kt20lYTCEqk/VWBVxQzBacI/AAAAAAAARGg/O0gnQ6op6ls/s800/sikorsky%252520x%25252060.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-iKkfLlqCB08/VWBVzF8zprI/AAAAAAAARG0/6LxQqf8haro/s800/sikorsky%252520x%25252061.jpg)
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Des, as usual, you are plodding along very nicely! :D
It's very informative and instructional to me to see the choices you make about which parts to make from styrene, which parts from brass, etc.
George
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The undercarriage is another masterpiece, Des!
Truly a work of art!
and the fuel caps as well.
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Lets just say that I like your pace Des ;)
George, I agree I like Des´s builds for my future attemts :)
Lukas
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Exellent work, also the undercarriage.
Martin
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Others may think that you are fast, you may think you just plod, but I agree with the others - if you plod then I am a real snail!!!!
More wonderful work from a master modeller. Those hinges look to be so small I can hardly see them - and this is 1/32 scale! A real tribute to your skill.
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Thank you very much George, Ermeio, Lukas, Martin and LM for taking the time to have a look at my model and for leaving such wonderful comments.
Des.
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I went all the way back to the start page by page, I almost couldn't believe this is scratchbuilding!! Very very impressive, Des.
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Hello gentlemen,
What undercarriage !!! Most impressive !
Best regards.
Alain.
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Many thanks Vincent and Alain for your really kind comments, they are much appreciated.
Des.
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Just a small update this time. I have added the four wheels to the undercarriage, the wheels are from John Vojtech at Scale Spokes painted with Mr Metal Color silver chrome and lightly polished. All the archive photos I have of this aeroplane show the tyres as being black so I will leave the thin black rubber O Rings. There will be quite a bit of rigging on the undercarriage but this will come later.
Des.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-GxHpTPqK25w/VWJzZ2nMJXI/AAAAAAAARHU/jULrEH5xg6A/s800/sikorsky%252520x%25252062.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MhSW5D_THAw/VWJzZyixMbI/AAAAAAAARHQ/4n7lXYG9-xY/s800/sikorsky%252520x%25252063.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-irgpTgP54Rk/VWJzZkVVF5I/AAAAAAAARHM/HFvGRmkmJHU/s800/sikorsky%252520x%25252064.jpg)
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Beautiful, Des! The wheels look gorgeous. Did they
require any special preparation before painting?
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Thanks very much Ernie for your kind comments. The wheels already have aluminium rims and copper wire spokes, all I did was spray them with Mr Metal Color chrome silver with no preparation. Once the paint was dry, about 30 seconds, I polished the rims and spokes lightly then refitted the tyres.
Des.
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Gorgeous work so far Des. Its already full of all kinds of character. Watching with great interest.
James
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Thanks very much James, your comments are greatly appreciated.
Here is a photo just showing a size comparison with a Sopwith Snipe, pretty much the same size with the Sikorsky standing just a little taller.
Des.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EcbBcEZUQUQ/VWMJ67oCB9I/AAAAAAAARH8/aJEhoVxyUXM/s800/sikorsky%252520x%25252068.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-SvETMxiY3pY/VWMJ5nAVr_I/AAAAAAAARH0/HVL6uuES4VA/s800/sikorsky%252520x%25252067.jpg)
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Look so good, specially with those open wheels.
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Wow, those spokes look great!! I also like the comparison to Snipe, before It seemed to be lot bigger :) Beautiful as always!!
Lukas
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Brilliant work, as always, Des! Love that undercarriage.
Cheers,
Bud
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Fantastic work and painting, Des.
Martin
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Wonderful modelling. The comparison with the Snipe was most useful as it is difficult to get an accurate idea otherwise.
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What a lovely model, Des
Hooked....
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Just beautiful Des ;)
Guy
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Des,
I have been following along and as usual everything you are doing looks Stunning. I love the gear and aluminum panels/cowl! The comparison to the Snipe is interesting as for some reason I thought the S16 was much smaller.
RAGIII
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The spoke wheels look super Des ! Than again , so does the whole project so far 8)
Terri
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Thanks very much for all the wonderful comments that have been posted by Verbeek, Lukas, Bud, Martin, LM, Ermeio, Guy, Rick and Terri, I really appreciate you interest in my model.
I have fitted the tail assembly and painted the fuselage, still need to add the bracing to the tail plus the control rigging. I also made and fitted a foot step for entry into the cockpit. I need to tone down the colour of the stitching along the side of the fuselage, I will do this with a wash. The last photo shows the starting magneto and selector switch supplied by Lukasz of Taurus Models.
Des.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-FvHRvhPBPns/VWlUZQSztGI/AAAAAAAARKg/F_cGQNljhHU/s800/sikorsky%252520x%25252074.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ug1tKD7CoTo/VWlUapSevuI/AAAAAAAARKw/4GDqnqqCFCk/s800/sikorsky%252520x%25252075.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Xue-3qVuD08/VWlUcpyWtnI/AAAAAAAARK8/HPeC2eclIBU/s800/sikorsky%252520x%25252078.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-0yNtkyyw0sY/VWlUdgkrloI/AAAAAAAARLE/VM10poIDGDY/s800/sikorsky%252520x%25252079.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-w5Zwzc7M2b4/VWblS0gTGMI/AAAAAAAARIg/HsC550dCIbk/s800/sikorsky%252520x%25252069.jpg)
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Remarkable!
Cheers,
Bud
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It is so beautiful, Des.
Martin
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Great update Des! The tail looks terrific. Is the stitching a PE addition, or a Des special?
Can't wait for the next update, my friend. What a great build!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Love it.
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Outstanding, Does,!
I especially like the shade of CDL that you used, is it a decal or some paint?
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My many thanks to Bud, Martin, Ernie, Verbeek and Ermeio for your very kind comments.
Ernie, For the stitching I used Archer Resin Decals. It came from set No. AR88004 - Resin WW1 Stitching 1:32 and 1:48 scale. They are a great product, you apply then just like any other decal but they have the raised resin stitching, I have since painted over my stitching so the black does not stand out as much.
Ermeio, I used paint for the CDL look. I used a mix of Gunze Sail Color H85 and Gunze H1 White, no particular mixing ration just until I thought it looked right, I sprayed the paint with my air brush.
Des.
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Another great one. Wish I could get on more to watch this!!
Steve
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Spectacular Des! You scratch build to such beautiful standards, in a short time frame, and I struggle to assemble and paint a kit ;D
You are just an awesome Master Modeler!
RAGIII
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Beautiful work, as usual Des!
Ian
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Des,
The cockpit detail is just incredible, lovely work! A pleasure to follow your progress on this one, yet again!
Cheers,
Lance
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More awesomeness. You trully are a Master of Scratch building.
James
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Sorry Des but I have been away - as usual my jaw is aching from hitting the desk every time I look at the pictures of your builds. Inspirational is an understatement…...
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I really appreciated the comments posted by Steve, Rick, Ian, Lance, James and Stephen, thank you for taking the time to have a look at my model.
Des.
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It is beautifull... Im thinking about using Eduards PE stiching but this one looks as good if not better... thanks for ideas!!! :)
Lukas
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Spectacular Des! You scratch build to such beautiful standards, in a short time frame, and I struggle to assemble and paint a kit ;D
You are just an awesome Master Modeler!
RAGIII
Another ditto to my Amigo's comments !
Ed
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Humbling, Des, pure and simple...it's as though you were born to it...which is pretty much the definition of an artist. True story. -M
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Thanks very much Lukas, Ed and Doug for your very kind comments.
Lukas, the Archer resin stitching is an excellent product, very easy to use and it looks good. Have a look here, this is a review I did some time ago;
http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=1423.0
Des.
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Thanks for link Des!!! ;) I will look into it
Lukas
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Thanks Bo for the images, the cockpit is very sparesly furnished though. It is certainly an unusual subject to be used by Rise of Flight, this aircraft was initially intended to be used as a two seat scout but some pilots modified their planes to act as a fighter, after time they were used extensively as an escort fighter for the Muromet Bombers but did at times engage in one on one combat with the enemy. They were an agile little aeroplane but underpowered.
I have made the wings for my Sikorsky, the top wing is nearly complete but still needs a clear coat. I will add Bob's Strippers for the ribs on the bottom wing as I did for the top wing. The dihedral had been set on the top wing and the cut-outs for the aileron cables have been done. First picture shows the wings on the plans I printed from the book I purchases, I scaled the plans using my drawing program.
Des.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6TW3PejdbEE/VXzNPADlfII/AAAAAAAARm8/nQNU4ek62nc/s800/sikorsky%252520x%25252095.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-KM1lz85fYaQ/VXzNMeWZacI/AAAAAAAARmo/xAuhqTnpNLI/s800/sikorsky%252520x%25252093.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-o4_lhHvH0W8/VXzNNbLYEiI/AAAAAAAARm0/fmwM_PCzrFs/s800/sikorsky%252520x%25252094.jpg)
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Awesome wings Des! THEY LOOK FANASTIC!
RAGIII
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Really like the wings. Nicely curved and very convincing.
James
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looking good des
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Simply stunning Des...
Guy
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All the above and some!
Beautiful work, Des :)
vB
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Exellent work to the wings, Des.
Martin
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Great modelling, Des. I must have missed this bit, but could you tell which scratch technique do you use to create the wings?
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Many thanks to Bo, Rick, James, Scott, Guy, Bob, Martin and Przemol for all the very kind comments, they are very much appreciated.
Des.
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Fantastic!!!
Great modelling, Des. I must have missed this bit, but could you tell which scratch technique do you use to create the wings?
Good question... although Im sure It was already somewhere. Thanks Des sharing your skills with us.
Lukas
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I have a brief description on how I made the wings here http://www.ww1aircraftmodels.com/page54.html but if you need a more detailed description please email me and I will send you my technique.
Des.
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That is more than enough, Des. Thanks a lot.
And once again - great modelling!
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The usual very high standard of modelling in those wings Des. This is going to be a very interesting model when it is finished. Will yours have Russian markings?
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Also the wings are looking fantastic, Des
it seems that the Sikorsky is almost complete... Are we going to see a Macchi M 5 started before July?
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Happy to be of help Przemol, the wing making is quite a simple process.
Thanks Stephen for your kind comments, to answer your question my model will not be wearing any markings, it will be an unarmed trainer.
Thanks also to Ermeio for your very nice words, yes, the sikorsky is now on the home straight, I trial fitted the bottom wings last night and apart from a little tweaking they fitted very well, will paint the bottom wings today and hopefully have them fitted permanently tonight, then make the struts and fit the top wing.
As far as my next build, I have not decided yet, the HPH Macchi M.5 is very tempting though.
Des.
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Gorgeous wings, Des! I'm always flabbergasted by your ability to achieve such remarkable results so quickly. (Reverse engineered alien technology, perhaps?)
Cheers,
Bud
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Hi Des!!!
I knew I saw it somewhere :) Thanks for pointing us at right directions!!!
Cheers Lukas
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Now that I am back on deck after my emergency hospital stay I can happily say that the bottom wings are now fitted. I simulated the wing ribs the same way I did on the top wing, I used Bob's Stripper, a brilliant product and so simple to use. I used five minute epoxy to retain the wings, and to maintain the correct dihedral, once the epoxy was dry I ran some runny CA around the wing/fuselage joint. The top wing is also complete so I will now make the eight struts, these will be made from toothpicks as I have done with a few of my scratch builds.
Des.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Y1jcL-HTteU/VYfVpOXiUVI/AAAAAAAARoA/4iKpUNtp6WM/s800/sikorsky%252520x%252520100.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4rBm2l_Wx1E/VYfVodAtAuI/AAAAAAAARn8/3jsBtTUINRU/s800/sikorsky%252520x%252520101.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lIp8bGxqOiY/VYfVookwRZI/AAAAAAAARoE/VJ0hUi8cJ_E/s800/sikorsky%252520x%252520102.jpg)
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Beautiful!
Des, do you plan on weathering it or it will stay in this pristine condition?
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Brilliant work Des.
Martin
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Good to have you back in the saddle, Des. :D The
Sikorsky is really looking good and I am looking
forward to the next updates. My question today is
with Von Bob's strippers for the rib tapes, did you
add any glue to them or just use the paint to keep
them in place...if they are painted at all?
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Wonderful work as usual Des. This will be really interesting with the top wing on.
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Hi Des!!!
Fantastic work!!! Also hope you are all well!!!
Cheers
Lukas
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Many thanks Sasho, Martin, Ernie, Stephen and Lukas for all your wonderful comments, they are truely appreciated.
Ernie, Bob's Strippers are a low tack vinyl so they adhere quite well to the wing surface but if needed can be easily removed. I usually apply a few coats of automotive primer on my wings sanding lightly between coats, then I apply the top coat and then a coat of satin clear. The only place I use a tad of glue is on the trailing edge and leading edge, once the strip is in its final position I apply a tiny drop of CA right at the end of the strip, this prevents the strip from lifting while sanding. The strips are extremely easy to use and come in a variety of widths, they cut well with a sharp scalpen blade and take paint well.
Des.
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Nice to see you back at the bench Des :)
Terri
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Nice to see you back at the bench Des :)
Terri
Likewise! And with such spectacular results!
Cheers,
Bud
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glad that you are feeling better des. the work is magnificent as always. i have been following this since day one as i really like the sikorsky S. XVI. looking at the cowl i noticed the louvers are missing, is that something you plan to add or did this particular craft not have them? i want to ask about the strippers. in the photos they look great. what is the diameter that you use? are they realistically scale thickness for 1/32. the reason i ask is that i want to consider using them in 1/48 and i am afraid in the smaller scale they may appear too thick and or too wide. can he custom cut them. i guess that last question is for bob actually. anyway, shes a cracker.
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want to ask about the strippers. in the photos they look great. what is the diameter that you use? are they realistically scale thickness for 1/32. the reason i ask is that i want to consider using them in 1/48 and i am afraid in the smaller scale they may appear too thick and or too wide. can he custom cut them. i guess that last question is for bob actually. anyway, shes a cracker.
Hi Albie,
I do custom cut from 0.5mm up to 1.5mm in 0.25 increments. Suitable for 48th? Not too sure if I'm honest. They may sit too proud of the wing for scale effect.
Thanks for your kind endorsement, Des. I'm glad you like using them and using them well by the looks of it ;)
Cheers,
BVB
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thanks bob thats what i wondered.
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Another great bird Des, wonderful model :)
Andrew
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I would like to thank Terri, Bud, Scott, Bob and Andrew for stopping by and leaving very nice comments.
Des.
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I made the struts from bamboo tooth picks, an easy timber to work yet very strong, they have been painted with Humbrol clear orange. I also fitted the top wing, took a little bit of messing around but finally got it to sit correctly, rigging is next.
Des.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-DxSfIuNA160/VYuXUA3-uVI/AAAAAAAARpA/IGEqrVuFV_o/s800/sikorsky%252520x%252520105.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--kDUhgDFEIs/VYvPYC0yAaI/AAAAAAAARps/26JeMnRQqC4/s800/sikorsky%252520x%252520109.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-HVbND6PF-ak/VYvPX9uGvsI/AAAAAAAARpo/KNeCR38NUyA/s800/sikorsky%252520x%252520108.jpg)
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Magnificent Des! How do you do the metal fittings at the ends of those wooden struts? They look 100% "real", an effect I struggle with on stock parts. :-\
Cheers,
Lance
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Magnificent Des! How do you do the metal fittings at the ends of those wooden struts? They look 100% "real", an effect I struggle with on stock parts. :-\
Cheers,
Lance
Yes, I was also wondering about the metal fittings on the struts, Des. It's looking great!
George
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Des, sorry I haven't commented on your update before this one! Your Model is looking superb as all would expect from your talented hands! Beautiful struts and it has now taken on the look of the S16 100%
RAGIII
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Very, VERY pretty!!
Steve
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Thanks very much Bo, Lance, Michael, George, Rick and Steve for your very kind comments.
The struts are made from 2.0mm round bamboo tooth picks, two sides are flattened until the strut is 2.0mm x 1.0mm. The metal ends are fashioned from 1.8mm brass tube, this is half flattened and then cut to length, it is then filed and sanded to shape before being slipped onto the ends of the strut, they are a force fit so no glue is needed to hold them in position. I drilled a 0.5mm hole in the end of each strut and inserted a length of 0.4mm copper wire, this is held in place with CA. For the rigging brackets I made them from 1.0mm wide coke can aluminium, drilled with a 0.4mm drill and cut to length then sanded to shape, thses are then fitted over the copper wire and CA'd in place. The struts are painted with Humbrol clear orange.
Des.
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Truly remarkable, Des! She looks like the real deal.
Cheers,
Bud
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Thanks Bud for your kind comments.
Des.
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Excellent progress, Des!
Well done ;)
vB
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Fantastic work Des.
Martin
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Yes, great is a good word to describe my feelings. Lovely model in the making, Des.
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Many thanks to Bob, Martin and Przemol for posting your wonderful comments, they are much appreciated.
Des.
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Sorry Des but I have been away for a few days and am catching up. That is a truly magnificent model - so compact yet so interesting to look at. Those early aircraft look deceptively simple - until one tries to scratch build one! You make them look deceptively simple too!!
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Although still unwell, I managed to complete this scratch build. The rigging was completed tonight using 0.13mm ModelKasten elastic rigging line, although a bit expensive it is an excellent product. I left the rigging lines the dark colour which is very similar to photos I have of this aircraft. It is a very basic aeroplane but scratch building it was very enjoyable, hope you like the photos.
Des.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-y41VNVpKpmU/VZOx6FcAQSI/AAAAAAAARw0/tc6GISqEbX8/s800/sikorsky%252520x%252520112.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-QCtQzmZEkTY/VZOx9L6LQZI/AAAAAAAARxQ/2--moQzt-Oc/s800/sikorsky%252520x%252520115.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-iYXcV4TdXDY/VZOx9VAQvsI/AAAAAAAARxU/OvJFTZIS6K4/s800/sikorsky%252520x%252520116.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ITzFUIPUe3o/VZOx-LvQ8RI/AAAAAAAARxc/ok6MXynFA4g/s800/sikorsky%252520x%252520117.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ff2U4ertZgs/VZOyB2pNlaI/AAAAAAAARx8/VjfKo8CWhFE/s800/sikorsky%252520x%252520121.jpg)
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Beautiful, Des! I am always amazed at how clean your builds are.
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It may be "basic" compared to many of your builds, but there's more to it than first meets the eye and as usual, it is beautifully executed!:D
I'm also very impressed that you completed it while not feeling 100%! I really love this one!
George
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Hello gentlemen,
Rahhh lovely !!!! A masterpiece, I'm fond of your work. ;)
Best regards.
Alain.
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Great as usual, Des. Maybe not so complicated as some of your previous models, but still an impressive build. Congratulations!
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Des,
Another Stunner! Your work never fails to amaze me! Just beautiful!!!
RAGIII
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Well done Des, and from the sick bed more or less! That collection of vintage Scratch Builds is becoming very impressive! :o
Cheers,
Lance
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A wonderful work Des.
Martin
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Beautiful work, Des! You have to be congratulated
on such a great outcome, although there were no
doubts. :D
I was wondering why you used the ModelKasten elastic
line instead of your usual 0.12mm Maxima?
Well done, my friend, and I look forward to your next
project!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Another masterpiece for the collection!!!
Steve
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For a man on the sick list you produce superb models, Des!
As always - well done!
vB
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Another masterpiece that will look fantastic next to your Caudron. Bravo!!!
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Exceptional, Des
Your rendition of this subject is spectacular.
I like it
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Simply wonderful work Des despite your still feeling unwell. Here's hoping that you will get well VERY soon and will feel able to tackle another of your simply amazing scratch builds and stun us all with your exceptional skills.
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Another beauty. Cant wait to see what you dream up next. Hoping you get better soon although I imagine a lot of research must be happening.
James
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finished product is fantastic.
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Always enjoy your work Des , beautiful builds :)
Terri
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Congratulations, Des, on yet another museum quality masterpiece. I learn so much from each of your builds and this one is no exception.
What a stunner, my friend.
Cheers,
Bud
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Wow . . . just WOW!!! Masterful job on this!!!
Mark G
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Everybody else have already said it, Des you've done it again! Thank you for sharing your wonderful work.
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WOW that is not a model, it's the real plane!
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no markings on her? they make some russian roundels and/or you could resize and print some yourself and maybe a pendant for the sides. like this:
http://www.sikorskyarchives.com/S-16E.php
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Des, I don't how you do it! There a lot to be learned for me from your builds. Keep up the masterful work. Pietro
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Des,
I'm sure museums wish they had models made with this much skill. Excellent work!
John