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The WW1 modelers' reference library => Aircraft => Topic started by: Jamo on February 01, 2013, 07:58:56 PM

Title: Sopwith Snipe reproduction by TVAL (Barker's markings)
Post by: Jamo on February 01, 2013, 07:58:56 PM
Before this aircraft was exported I was fortunate to get the opportunity to take some closeup photographs (thanks Gene!). It has an original Bentley BR2 rotary engine and is very authentic in its construction. The Snipe is not a design that has appealed to me but after seeing this gem close up I have completely changed my opinion. When viewed at ground level (as opposed to the 'God' perspective when you have a model) it's tubbiness is not particularly apparent.

Here is a link to the Photobucket album which has 79 photos:
http://s1011.photobucket.com/albums/af234/Jamo_kiwi/TVAL%20Sopwith%20Snipe/?start=all

(http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af234/Jamo_kiwi/TVAL%20Sopwith%20Snipe/SnipeNov1122.jpg)

Here are a few detail shots for those who are interested in the new WNW kit.

(http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af234/Jamo_kiwi/TVAL%20Sopwith%20Snipe/nov272011064.jpg)

http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af234/Jamo_kiwi/TVAL%20Sopwith%20Snipe/IMG_3587.jpg

(http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af234/Jamo_kiwi/TVAL%20Sopwith%20Snipe/nov272011046.jpg)

(http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af234/Jamo_kiwi/TVAL%20Sopwith%20Snipe/IMG_3586.jpg)

(http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af234/Jamo_kiwi/TVAL%20Sopwith%20Snipe/IMG_3548.jpg)

(http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af234/Jamo_kiwi/TVAL%20Sopwith%20Snipe/nov272011035.jpg)

(http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af234/Jamo_kiwi/TVAL%20Sopwith%20Snipe/nov272011042.jpg)

(http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af234/Jamo_kiwi/TVAL%20Sopwith%20Snipe/IMG_3616.jpg)

(http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af234/Jamo_kiwi/TVAL%20Sopwith%20Snipe/IMG_3602.jpg)

(http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af234/Jamo_kiwi/TVAL%20Sopwith%20Snipe/nov272011013.jpg)

(http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af234/Jamo_kiwi/TVAL%20Sopwith%20Snipe/IMG_3562.jpg)

(http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af234/Jamo_kiwi/TVAL%20Sopwith%20Snipe/IMG_3558.jpg)

Cheers
James
Title: Re: Sopwith Snipe reproduction by TVAL (Barker's markings)
Post by: bobs_buckles on February 01, 2013, 08:03:52 PM
James,
Thank you!!
 ;)
vB

Title: Re: Sopwith Snipe reproduction by TVAL (Barker's markings)
Post by: uncletony on February 01, 2013, 11:19:16 PM
Jamo does it again! Thanks so much for these. I second what you are saying-- I was pretty sure the WNW Snipe was one of the few subjects I could easily take a pass at, but it is has been growing on me steadily; Now I'm pretty sure I'll cave.

Actually these images pretty much iced it.
Title: Re: Sopwith Snipe reproduction by TVAL (Barker's markings)
Post by: Chris Johnson on February 01, 2013, 11:58:40 PM
Thanks very much for posting the link to these images Jamo. They're a treasure trove of information.

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: Sopwith Snipe reproduction by TVAL (Barker's markings)
Post by: rhallinger on February 02, 2013, 12:36:15 AM
Yup!  That did it.  A Snipe will definately be necessary! ;D
Title: Re: Sopwith Snipe reproduction by TVAL (Barker's markings)
Post by: GAJouette on February 02, 2013, 03:57:06 AM
  James,
Many many thanks again my old friend. Now I've got to have Barker's Snipe.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Sopwith Snipe reproduction by TVAL (Barker's markings)
Post by: pepperman42 on February 02, 2013, 05:50:30 AM
Thanks James. These are the details  that make a model. I would have thought the MG devil was just flat sheet metal on the original. Im not sure how long this machine had been operating but its amazing how over a very short period of time the muck builds up under the fuselage all the way back to the tail

Steve
Title: Re: Sopwith Snipe reproduction by TVAL (Barker's markings)
Post by: Chris Johnson on February 02, 2013, 06:08:05 AM
I'm afraid that replicating the red devil will be troublesome for those us us wishing to build Barker's Snipe.

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: Sopwith Snipe reproduction by TVAL (Barker's markings)
Post by: bobs_buckles on February 02, 2013, 06:10:17 AM
I'm afraid that replicating the red devil will be troublesome for those us us wishing to build Barker's Snipe.

Cheers,

Chris

I'm hoping Rowan will cast the little devil and add it to the decal set - HOPE!

 :) vB
Title: Re: Sopwith Snipe reproduction by TVAL (Barker's markings)
Post by: Jamo on February 02, 2013, 06:18:29 AM
Thanks James. These are the details  that make a model. I would have thought the MG devil was just flat sheet metal on the original. Im not sure how long this machine had been operating but its amazing how over a very short period of time the muck builds up under the fuselage all the way back to the tail

Steve

Yes, I was surprised by that as well Steve. The aircraft had just flown prior to my photo session and had not been wiped down, so it was literally dripping with castor oil. A wipe down could have cleaned the metal areas but much harder to get it off the fabric as it soaks right in and turns the fabric transparent.

Cheers
James
Title: Re: Sopwith Snipe reproduction by TVAL (Barker's markings)
Post by: pepperman42 on February 02, 2013, 06:23:26 AM
...like neswpaper wrapped 'round  fish and chips....sigh that was another life......stoopid cholesterol police.... :'(

Steve
Title: Re: Sopwith Snipe reproduction by TVAL (Barker's markings)
Post by: Jamo on February 02, 2013, 06:52:31 AM
Exactly, thanks for the chuckle

  ;D
Title: Re: Sopwith Snipe reproduction by TVAL (Barker's markings)
Post by: lcarroll on February 02, 2013, 10:31:24 AM
...like neswpaper wrapped 'round  fish and chips....sigh that was another life......stoopid cholesterol police.... :'(

Steve

    The Cholesteral "Goons" got it all wrong, the paper must have leached at least 98% of the bad stuff off the good stuff. Just doesn't taste the same any more either!
    Oh yes, Thanks Jamo, for yet another outstanding bit of reference material, and your timing is perfect.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Sopwith Snipe reproduction by TVAL (Barker's markings)
Post by: AROTH on February 02, 2013, 02:42:38 PM
I just saw it 2 days ago at "Fantasy of Flight" and it had been scrubbed squeaky clean.....
Title: Re: Sopwith Snipe reproduction by TVAL (Barker's markings)
Post by: Vickers on February 02, 2013, 11:15:08 PM
Excellent photos, Jamo.  Thanks for posting these!  Regarding the discussion about the red devil, I also thought that it was flat sheet metal on Barker's last Camel.  I'm not certain it actually belongs on the Snipe that he was flying during his famous single-handed encounter. Does anyone know whether it had one?
Title: Re: Sopwith Snipe reproduction by TVAL (Barker's markings)
Post by: Des on February 03, 2013, 03:21:59 PM
Thanks Jamo fpr the images, these will come very handy when I get my kit, and the photos you have in your photobucket album are brilliant.

Des.
Title: Re: Sopwith Snipe reproduction by TVAL (Barker's markings)
Post by: youngtiger1 on February 12, 2013, 04:50:55 PM
James, again wonderful phtographs. I just looked through all of them in your link.

Btw, that brought a question to mind regarding stencils...I see it has black and white stencils on the site of fuselage and wings. Since this is a reproduction of the real thing then are all stencil markings accurate as well? For example; white "Lift here w/ downward arrows" on the rear side of fuselage. Are those there just because its to help the new/modern crew or will are they applied to most WW1 tail-draggiers?

Mike 
Title: Re: Sopwith Snipe reproduction by TVAL (Barker's markings)
Post by: Jamo on February 12, 2013, 06:09:09 PM
The stencil markings are historically accurate. Many RFC aircraft had those arrows, some individual aircraft had them painted over. If you browse through the various WNW archive RFC/RAF photos you will see them.

Cheers
James
Title: Re: Sopwith Snipe reproduction by TVAL (Barker's markings)
Post by: Jamo on February 17, 2013, 04:14:21 AM
TVAL have recently advertised their ANZAC Day airshow and it seems they have built another Snipe, and it looks like it is finished in Barker's markings same as the one exported to Kermit Weeks in Florida. Yay! Hope this will one will stay in Masterton

(http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/65527_442732115798043_1025022021_n.jpg)