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1/72 Zeppelin-Lindau (Dornier) Rs II
« on: September 02, 2017, 08:34:28 AM »
Evening All,

This project is being built as part of a Flying Boats Group Build on another site. I usually make small models because I only live in a small house and do not have the space to display large ones. Stevehed introduced me to prototype German giant aircraft of WW1 with his DFW R1 scratch build a couple of years ago, and last year I discovered the Siemens-Schuchert Werke Rs I while looking through photos on the net. I discovered the subject of this build at the same time and knew immediately that I wanted to give it a try. Fortunately the internet has made access to information on these early types much easier than it used to be: in addition there is a Windsock DataFile (no 136) which also contains information and drawings, although the drawings for the machine that I wish to model are at 1/144 scale so I have had to enlarge them to the Correct Scale i.e. 1/72. My intention with this build, as it is with all of my builds, is to demonstrate what can be done by an average modeller with simple tools and a minimum of expensive equipment, and limited skill but some patience! I hope to shape and scrape my way to something that will resemble this:
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/SavinCristian/8377L.jpg
http://flyingmachines.ru/Images7/Putnam/German_Giants/65-1.jpg

My apologies for not providing a photo but I am not sure about copyright restrictions and I do not wish to bring problems to the site by using pictures without prior permission. These were taken in November 1916 at the Zeppelin shed at Seemoos, Lindau, on Lake Constance where the aircraft was built. I intend to make a small diorama based on the turntable and slipway in front of the shed as shown in these photos so that I can display what will be for me a large model. (The wingspan is approximately 17 1/2 inches: 44 cm and the length 13 inches: 33 cm). I will provide details of the diorama build in the appropriate part of this site in due course. Incidentally the figure in the Homburg hat at the bottom right of the first photo is Claudius Dornier.

I write "resemble the above" because the picture shows the Rs II in its final form with the engines in cowlings and a simple tail unit. I intend to model the machine with the engines in cowlings but with an earlier version of the tail which looked something like this:
http://flyingmachines.ru/Images7/Putnam/German_Giants/63-2.jpg

Note the large fins and rudders and the biplane elevator. Here the engines are without cowlings: these were added later because the engines ran too cold.  The building in the background is the Zeppelin shed at Seemoos.

C. Dornier was working for Graf Zeppelin when in August 1914 he was charged with the design of a number of large flying boats for  the Imperial German Navy: the flying boats were to be used to monitor Scapa Flow which was the principal base of the Royal Navy’s Grand Fleet. His Rs I design was a huge biplane with a wingspan of 43.5m: it was constructed largely from steel alloy using airship construction practices. This machine was one of the first all-metal aircraft to be built and flown, when most aircraft were made from wood and linen held together with lots of wire, but it was wrecked in a storm on Lake Constance on 21 December 1915. Dornier's second design was very different from the first and incorporated features which were to characterise subsequent flying boats from this team. They included a very broad hull and a low aspect ratio main plane which was mounted parasol fashion high above the hull. Although the first version had three engines in the hull, these were quickly increased to four and mounted in tandem between the hull and wing, driving push and pull propellors. Small stub wings were fixed to the rear of the hull: on later designs these became full sponsons. The tail unit was on booms which were left uncovered to avoid damage from spray when taxiing. The early booms were made from lattice girders but these were quickly replaced by stronger large diameter steel tube, and the original central fin was replaced by a pair of fins and rudders. The elevator was of biplane form. In the final version of the Rs II the tail boom, rudders and elevator were simplified and it only remained for the design team to change the boom to a single fuselage mounted above the wing on the Rs III for the basic shape of the classic Dornier flying boats of the inter-war and wartime periods to emerge.


Here is my kit for the build: it is not quite complete as I am sure that I will require additional items as I go along:





It includes basswood for the hull, plastic sheet of various thicknesses, assorted strip, wood for the propellors, brass rod for the booms and copper wire for the rigging. I will write the instructions as I go along as usual. Additional materials will be required for the base but that need not distract us here. The first stage was to make up units which will become the hull, wings and engine nacelles. The engine nacelles are to be made from three pieces of 60 thou card and one of 20 thou which have been laminated. 


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The hull is going to be made from a sandwich of 2 pieces of 1.3cm x 16.6cm x 6.3cm basswood with a sheet 0.7cm thick wood between. 




The wings will be made in two sections from three sheets of 60 thou card, laminated, shaped and then butt joined, reinforced with metal pins as on the SSW.




The wing and hull blocks now look like this:




......which means that I can now spend many happy hours scraping and shaping.........


Thanks for looking.


Stephen.


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Re: 1/72 Zeppelin-Lindau (Dornier) Rs II
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2017, 08:44:22 AM »


Wow! What a monster

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Re: 1/72 Zeppelin-Lindau (Dornier) Rs II
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2017, 09:05:24 AM »
As per wonderful usual,we are going to be in for another treat from a great modeller.Brilliant and interesting subject to.

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Re: 1/72 Zeppelin-Lindau (Dornier) Rs II
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2017, 09:16:29 AM »
I'm in!
 Another unusual bird from the bench of the master of unusual birds! Now, where's my popcorn.....

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Re: 1/72 Zeppelin-Lindau (Dornier) Rs II
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2017, 09:22:14 AM »
As always I will follow your progress closely! A very interesting and unusual subject as always!
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Re: 1/72 Zeppelin-Lindau (Dornier) Rs II
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2017, 10:50:53 AM »
A very ambitious project Stephen and one I will be following closely.

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Re: 1/72 Zeppelin-Lindau (Dornier) Rs II
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2017, 12:51:01 PM »
Stephen,
    Great subject, and a monster! This should be a particularly enjoyable Build to follow given the foregoing, I'll be watching for updates and I am looking forward to this one immensely!
Cheers,
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Re: 1/72 Zeppelin-Lindau (Dornier) Rs II
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2017, 09:06:21 PM »
Looking forward to a fantastic build of this beast, she will be beautiful when done.

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Re: 1/72 Zeppelin-Lindau (Dornier) Rs II
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2017, 12:45:34 AM »
I just know this will be awesome.
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Re: 1/72 Zeppelin-Lindau (Dornier) Rs II
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2017, 06:33:55 AM »
Evening All,

Many thanks to those of you who have dropped by and left such positive remarks. No pressure then! Yes this will be a big model when it is completed, but I am hoping that if I can mount it properly on the base which I have planned in my imagination it will be a satisfying project.

Before I started I decided that I needed some new tools. Well if I am to shape the hull I was not going to get far with the needle files that I normally use for modelling so I went out and treated myself to these:



Not the latest in high tech or the most expensive tools around but they were within my limited budget and ideal for the task I had in mind. There was a third round file in the set but I have not had to use that yet, maybe I will later. Bought them from a hardware store round the corner and I was even able to walk to the premises rather than having to drive miles to some horrible industrial park in Kent.

The hull is made from a block of laminated basswood: I have not carved basswood before but would readily do so again if the need arises. It is lovely material to work with: hard but not stiff to file or sand, makes a really good smooth surface which once sealed should be easy to paint, and is robust enough to hold in a vice and not be damaged in the process. I enjoyed making this so far - I hope it continues when I do the extra work later.

Scraping and shaping 1

If you know how to carve shapes from a block of wood I apologise if what follows is tedious and I suggest that you skip this section and just look at the photos as this is intended for those who are not familiar with carving. It is not difficult, it just takes a little time, (or in my case a lot - about 5 hours for what you see at the end of this post). I started by filing the top of the hull to get the correct curved section and then I marked plan on the top surface of the block and sawed away the front corners to make things a little quicker. I also sawed away the section under the nose as I followed the line of the hull side that I had originally drawn and started to file away at the sides to get the correct plan shape. Having almost completed the filing of the sides I realised that I had made a major mistake. I had got carried away with the saw and had cut off the lower half of the bow!! I now intend to use this dud hull as a practice piece for later operations. Back to laminating three pieces of basswood and leaving the lot to dry out overnight under a pile of books: my low tech press.

Try number 2: this time I repeated the procedure above to the part where I cut off the corners for the bow section, but this time I made sure that I left the underside well alone. The top of the hull was once again filed to the correct profile:





The plan was marked on the top of the hull and a series of lines drawn at 90 degrees at fixed points to help make sure that I did not get carried away when shaping the sides:



More filing....until this shape was reached:





The line running across the front end of the hull becomes important at this stage because there has a subtle curve here which  I presume was to allow spray water to drain away quickly. Careful use of the file enabled me to shape the upper surface forward of the line. I worked on each side in turn using photographs to get what I think is the correct profile.



Now for the tricky bit: to get the area of the upper hull to the rear of the line to curve downwards to meet the new side profile forward of the line. The centre line was very important because this is the highest point on the nose of the hull and was used as a guide when drawing the file across the side: more strokes and greater pressure towards the side, almost no pressure and few strokes towards the centre line. I had to work slowly and methodically and towards the end I used coarse grade glass paper to finish the job, again working on each side in turn.



Polishing was done with flour grade glass paper, and the top profile of the hull is finished.





I will make the steps at the rear of the hull next, but before I let myself loose on the new hull I will try out an idea on the old one first. Then I will not have wasted 5 hours of work and another block of wood if something goes wrong.

Thanks for looking.

Stephen.

 

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Re: 1/72 Zeppelin-Lindau (Dornier) Rs II
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2017, 07:34:34 AM »
Looking good Stephen. Are you going to use this as a buck to mould the hull, or will you use the wood itself?

Ian

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Re: 1/72 Zeppelin-Lindau (Dornier) Rs II
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2017, 04:15:07 PM »
Ok, I am taking a seat in the first row with a bucket of popcorn! ;)

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Re: 1/72 Zeppelin-Lindau (Dornier) Rs II
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2017, 03:54:19 AM »
Looking good Stephen. Are you going to use this as a buck to mould the hull, or will you use the wood itself?

Ian

I intend to use the wooden hull Ian. I had thought of making it into a mould but the sheer size of this makes push moulding difficult. If I try to mould a top and bottom I will have  problems with the hull keel - it is very difficult to get right. In addition this is a big model (for me) and I want to try to finish it within the time of the GB which runs to the beginning of January 2018. I do not mind having a solid hull as I cannot find any detail on the interior and even if I could it would not be visible! A solid hull will hopefully make a stronger model.

Stephen.

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Re: 1/72 Zeppelin-Lindau (Dornier) Rs II
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2017, 03:55:09 AM »
Ok, I am taking a seat in the first row with a bucket of popcorn! ;)

Ondra

Thanks Ondra for your support - it is greatly appreciated.

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Re: 1/72 Zeppelin-Lindau (Dornier) Rs II
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2017, 03:50:07 PM »
Wow, this will be a great tutorial for scratch building. I will take a seat,too.
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